Couture vs. Lesnar poll UFC 91 this Saturday. [Archive]

90wreck

11-14-2008, 12:00 PM

Speaking of crazy. $55 for pay per view? Someone must really have to be into fighting. Sorry. I wouldn't pay $55 to watch the Super Bowl on TV, much less a "UFC" match.
Here's the way I look at these PPV's.
Cost 20- in gas to get to at least Columbus and back.(That is not the venue)
15-20 to park.
75.00 for a ticket that has you sitting where you can see Japan and your house....But not the event.
6- for beers(who knows how many?)
Min. of 8 hours of getting ready/the drive/the event/drive home.
Min. of 135- spent(not incuding food) and 8 hours of my time...
Compared to=
55 and setting my ass down at home in the easy chair and watching/actually seeing the fight?
No comparison for me.
3rd option...Don't do either and just wait for the results.
I prefer to watch it go down live.

shredhead7

11-14-2008, 12:03 PM

I'm a Randy fan and think he is a great fighter. I don't think he will win this fight though. He has been inactive for a year now and at his age, that is an eternity. His strengths are ground and pound and dirty boxing, both of which will be very difficult against a guy that will out weigh him by 60+ lbs and is younger, faster, and has the same skill set.

I think that we will see this one go the distance, as Lesner has no ability to finish a fighter. It will be very similar to the last Lesner fight with him coming out and taking Randy down at will and pawing him around like a mouse.

I don't want that result, but that's what I think will happen.

halorealm7

11-14-2008, 12:05 PM

Don't know who'll win bit I'd really hate to get my ass beat to a pulp by either one of them.:crazy

HHB

11-14-2008, 12:23 PM

I really want Randy, Lesner puts me off

Prodigy

11-14-2008, 12:26 PM

Shamus

11-14-2008, 12:28 PM

Couture has too survive the first 3 minutes w/ Lesnar. If he tries to bang with him, he's dead. It must go to the ground.

My gut says Couture, based on his experience.. Sure, he can get "caught", but think he's a master tactician. Lesnar is "green" and might be too undisciplined to stick with a plan emotionally during the fight..

We'll see...

fetishfrog

11-14-2008, 12:45 PM

I really want Randy to bring it to him too. Lesnar has incredible potential but certainly hasn't paid his dues to earn the title shot.

jrm

11-14-2008, 04:19 PM

I'm rooting for Randy. I am shocked that they are giving Lesnar a title shot so soon. Bizarre. But the UFC seems to not be makign much sense lately. Lesnar is getting a title shot, CB Dolloway is set up for his third televised fight while Amir Sadollah hasn't had one since the TUF finale, etc....

akihiro

11-14-2008, 04:33 PM

Randy. Someday Lesnar will probably be the champ, just not now.
I also don't think Lesnar deserves a title shot yet. Nog should be the first to take on Randy but the UF show has prevented that.

niersbach

11-14-2008, 05:06 PM

Lesnar has great potential, he is HUGE, has great agility and speed (especially for his size), he can throw a punch....however,, anyone voting for him to win this must have missed the frank mir fight...LOL...there is just no way he is ready for someone with the stature of Couture. If Lesnar wins it will be because of a fluke...lucky punch or huge mistake on Randy's part

tonefreak

11-14-2008, 05:09 PM

I've read all the doubters regarding Randy, his age, etc, etc... I will never underestimate Randy, he's defied odds and came-out on top too many times for it to be a fluke or luck. The man is a bad ass.

I'll take Randy for the win any day.

Rad Skronker

11-14-2008, 05:20 PM

Dana White should be ashamed of himself. He's probaby not though. I imagine he's having a money bath as I write this.

Money is Dana White's only motivating factor.

The UFC is the new "gladitor games" for the 21st century.

All they need to do is add some lions, tigers and bears. Oh my!:D

Wagster

11-14-2008, 05:30 PM

My heart is picking Couture but my common sense is going with Lesnar.Brock like Randy is a very gifted wrestler.Brock is younger and much bigger.Brock's size and strength could give Randy a lot of problems.If it goes to the ground Brock is capable of keeping Randy on his back and grounding and pounding.If however Brock ends up on his back Randy could easily submit him.One thing Randy doesn't want to do is stand toe to toe with Lesnar.

Couture could bait Lesnar into a take down and flip him over on his back.I think the first few minutes of the fight will be a indicator of how things are going to go.One thing's for sure, never count out Couture!

If anyone is interested in watching, you can usually find it at www.channelsurfing.net (http://www.channelsurfing.net) on the night of the fight.I'm going to a local bar and watch it on the big screen.

Balance

11-14-2008, 05:31 PM

I also don't think Lesnar deserves a title shot yet. Nog should be the first to take on Randy but the UF show has prevented that.

Nog should have gotten the title shot first, but I believe that Randy asked for the fight with Lesnar. It's going to be insane really, and I have no idea who will win it (although I voted for Randy in the poll).

Lesnar is a freak in that he's carrying a very lean 280 pounds of explosive muscle but wasn't even breathing hard at the end of the fight with Herring. On the other hand, nobody's gone broke overestimating Randy either.

ReflectionsBurn

11-14-2008, 06:47 PM

that lesnar guy is freakin huge

90wreck

11-14-2008, 06:52 PM

Hey Wag...Thanks for the link.....I have been looking for that as I had forgotten the name and couldn't fint it under my favs.
Should it be free at Channelsurfing?
PM me if you need to.
Thanks,
Don

Tonefish

11-14-2008, 08:03 PM

I don't know, Lesnar is a TANK, and Randy's not all that he used to be? Can't predict the outcome............

ford

11-15-2008, 07:22 AM

Couture in the first round. Lesnar just doesn't have the MMA experience Couture has. Just because you can pretend fight (WWE), that doesn't mean you can really fight. It's a huge insult to the other fighters who have put in their time in the UFC for title shots to give a guy with only 2 UFC fights (1 win, 1 loss) a title shot. Such a joke...Lesnar doesn't deserve it, and he certainly hasn't proved he deserves it either... Dana White should be ashamed of himself. He's probaby not though. I imagine he's having a money bath as I write this.

Lesnar was a very talented collegiate wrestler... his quickness at his size is amazing....... he is a great athlete...

I've seen interviews with him.. and he wishes he had never done WWE, but it was a huge amount of money I'm sure.

I want Randy to win, but I can see the talent that Brock has. He isn't a joke. Even in his first big fight against Mir, he had him in trouble.. and then stupidly exposed his leg....

You could see vast amounts of improvement in him since then...... I think in 2 more years of training, people are really going to see how good he can be..

the Problem.. Randy can't wait two more years to fight him... he spent a year and a half just trying to fight Fedor and they could never make it happen. This is truly the next biggest fight he could have made.

ford

11-15-2008, 07:23 AM

Oh yeah.... I'm going to a friends house with several other buddies.. split the cost on PPV, food and drink and have an awesome time.

rock

bford

Facemelt

11-15-2008, 10:58 AM

Nog should have gotten the title shot first, but I believe that Randy asked for the fight with Lesnar. It's going to be insane really, and I have no idea who will win it (although I voted for Randy in the poll).

Lesnar is a freak in that he's carrying a very lean 280 pounds of explosive muscle but wasn't even breathing hard at the end of the fight with Herring. On the other hand, nobody's gone broke overestimating Randy either.

It is a tournament to determine the HW champ.
Randy vs Lesner = winner vs winner of Nog vs Mir.

fetishfrog

11-15-2008, 12:37 PM

You could see vast amounts of improvement in him since then...... I think in 2 more years of training, people are really going to see how good he can be..

I totally agree. It's almost detrimental to give him the shot now though...if he loses tonight, he'll be 1-2 in the UFC (wasn't his first win in a different promotion)...not at all a way to begin a career. He should have paid his dues like everyone else...seeing him caught by Mir after he was clearly on top was a textbook rookie mistake, something only time can cure. He is an incredible athlete though.

Cary Chilton

11-15-2008, 01:05 PM

I became a Randy fan when he first made his UFC debut! I think because Randy has stayed natural is the sole reason he is still in the fight game. The Tito's, Sherks, Shamrock's, Baronie's, Coleman's, Kerr's, and many many more of the UFC were MONSTER'S in their steriod using prime. Truly awesome. I DON'T think Brock is natural, but he is young. When he is 35+ he will be finished, if he used a lot of steroids. Historically, check it out.

Back to Randy, his hard training, natural diet and dedicated lifestyle has kept him in incredible shape. IF Randy has REALLY been training over the past year and half for his dream Fedor fight, that SHOULD mean, extensive Sambo defense, jujitsu, armbar, ankle, triangle, leg locks, muay thai clinch defensive, oh ya, did I mention armbars? If Randy has lots of new tools, submissions, better boxing, faster, cleaner movements that he should have be working on for the Fedor fight, that will be a surprise to Lesner as Lesner would not have a clue with that stuff as there isn't any tape on that type of Randy.

If Randy doesn't break a bone as he did in the Gab Gonzaga fight, he should do very well. I was wearing my official Couture gym shirt today in Chinese class! :dude

Caribou

11-15-2008, 01:46 PM

I'd like to see Randy win this one. He's a class act and a true legend. Lesnar's no joke, but-- like the rest of you-- I'm stumped as to why he gets a title shot so early on.

dbx

11-15-2008, 04:16 PM

The thing with MMA is one punch/kick/elbow/knee is all it takes...if RC can keep his wits and get inside Lesnar's head, he may pull it off...in the Silvia, Gonzaga fights it looked like RC mastered them mentally...Lesnar IS big. I thought this was RCs last contract committment to UFC?

Peppy

11-15-2008, 04:20 PM

I'm saying Lesnar.

tennisplayer

11-15-2008, 04:41 PM

I watch all of them free on www.channelsurfing.net (http://www.channelsurfing.net)

akihiro

11-15-2008, 04:46 PM

It is a tournament to determine the HW champ.
Randy vs Lesner = winner vs winner of Nog vs Mir.

If Lesner wins tonight he wins the Heavyweight belt. If not, then Randy retains it. Because Randy "retired" with the belt.
Right now Nog has the interim belt, whoever wins between him and Mir will win the interim and get a shot at the actual title.

twinrider1

11-15-2008, 07:05 PM

Lesnar. As has been mentioned, he's huge, but he's not JUST huge. He's fast and a strong wrestler. Randy isn't completely over the hill, but getting there. I think Randy will take a beating. Might submit Lesnar if he can survive long enough.

rewog

11-15-2008, 09:36 PM

Tonefish

11-15-2008, 10:24 PM

UFC and Dana White are grooming Lesnar for HW champ.
The HW division is thin and lacking in talent (has been for a while) and they failed to get the best HW in the world.

Lesnar is a formidable athlete... but I really hope Randy wins convincingly.

I think he's a real hopeful for that too. Never seen such a huge and solid dude that is a quick as he is. I just hope they didn't push him to the top too early...before he had all the skills...we'll see. He surely ain't no Kimbo.:)

90wreck

11-15-2008, 11:26 PM

@#$$%)(*&!
I wished this fight had went a little longer.

Now we have an oversized goon as champ and it wont be long before he drops...HARD IMO.(That weight class is going to be tough with some of the experienced contenders coming up)
He's 3-1.
Randy should have never taken this fight IMO, it was too risky.(weight and age)
If you are going to take a risk on losing your belt, at least let it be to somebody who is established/worthy, instead of a guy who has no record and has the potential to pull off the upset on a fluke.
Congrats to Brock......However, he will have some big fights in the future that will/or will not prove his worthiness.

I really wanted the veteran to pull this one out for us older guys.
Damn....
(Nothing like an older guy putting the bippy on the younger bigger dude...sanctioned, or street fight.)

akihiro

11-15-2008, 11:31 PM

Now we'll have to wait to see Nog beat Mir, then take the title away from Brock.

Wagster

11-15-2008, 11:39 PM

tennisplayer

11-15-2008, 11:40 PM

All the fights were excellent ...............except for the main event. Brock is just to huge. However, Randy didn't seem to have the right game plan. Why not stick and move for a while? Frustrate him, tire him out before you just go for a guy that looks twice your size? Brock has been known to gas.

90wreck

11-15-2008, 11:40 PM

Brock will handle Nog.Brock showed a lot of skill tonight.I didn't expect the knee kicks from Brock.He keeps getting better and better which is freaking scary given his size.I want to see Fedor/Lesnar
I agree...that would be a great match.

Peppy

11-15-2008, 11:43 PM

I'm saying Lesnar.

As I was saying....:boxer

gpro34

11-15-2008, 11:48 PM

WOW! Randy got his ass handed to him.

rewog

11-16-2008, 12:09 AM

Peppy

11-16-2008, 12:14 AM

I really don't think Lesnar would last long at all with Fedor.

I think he can.

rewog

11-16-2008, 12:37 AM

I think he can.

you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

My reasoning is that Couture was a wrestler, as is Lesnar. It was always going to be hard for Couture to beat a much bigger, stronger, younger wrestler.... especially after such a long lay-off.

Fedor is a true Martial Artist. He has great striking, wrestling and submission skills... and a record of beating all comers including larger opponents.
IMO Lesnar still has a long way to go to match the multiple skills needed to be the best in Mixed Martial Arts.
His success is due to a lack of quality in the UFC HW ranks.
Of course, Couture is an amazing competitor, but at 45, the end was inevitable.

If anything I think this fight showed again how much Lesnar is not the invincible monster he's made out to be.
Randy was able to get out from under him and stand up, and he showed little defence against strikes.

akihiro

11-16-2008, 12:56 AM

His success is due to a lack of quality in the UFC HW ranks.
Of course, Couture is an amazing competitor, but at 45, the end was inevitable.

Sad, but true.

Cary Chilton

11-16-2008, 02:15 AM

who cares, Randy is still the best! FREAKEN Legend!

Peppy

11-16-2008, 06:17 AM

you're certainly entitled to your opinion.

That I am. We shall see...IF they ever fight.

fetishfrog

11-16-2008, 02:24 PM

That I am. We shall see...IF they ever fight.

And a big IF at that. Fedor's loyalty to the Russian Sambo circuit seems unwavering and Dana White isn't known for budging. I don't see it ever happening.

akihiro

11-16-2008, 03:36 PM

Fedor and Randy will probably never fight. So...lets look forward to seeing Fedor vs Arlovski.

Peppy

11-16-2008, 04:09 PM

Fedor and Randy will probably never fight.

As with Lesnar and Fedor.

rewog

11-16-2008, 04:12 PM

So...lets look forward to seeing Fedor vs Arlovski.

Now that should be a great fight !!
Arlovski is one guy who should have the skills to be a serious challenge to Fedor.

Wagster

11-16-2008, 04:15 PM

As with Lesnar and Fedor.That fight has a great chance of happening.Fedor has a lot of Pride(no pun intended) and would love to fight Lesnar.I think that would be a very exciting fight.Lets keep our fingers crossed.

rewog

11-16-2008, 05:06 PM

That fight has a great chance of happening.Fedor has a lot of Pride(no pun intended) and would love to fight Lesnar.I think that would be a very exciting fight.Lets keep our fingers crossed.

I don't think Fedor would have any say in it.
Dana will want to protect Lesnar's reputation and money spinning ability, so he'll put him against fighters he knows he can beat... just watch and see.
I bet his next few opponents will be guys who don't have great striking or submission skills.

shihanderek

11-16-2008, 06:54 PM

I don't think Fedor would have any say in it.
Dana will want to protect Lesnar's reputation and money spinning ability, so he'll put him against fighters he knows he can beat... just watch and see.
I bet his next few opponents will be guys who don't have great striking or submission skills.

Problem is, who does he fight? Winner of Mir/Nogeria, sure, but after that? Who are the up and comers in the HW division? Probably the leanest weight class in MMA as far as I can see. Nobody from the light heavy class is gonna come up to fight Lesner. Like Randy, they would give up too much size and strength.

Maybe Dana can talk the Big Show into signing a UFC contract.

DaveF

11-16-2008, 06:56 PM

I was really hoping Couture would win. Oh well.

I think fedor would demolish him. I've read that fedor won't go to UFC because UFC wants to lock him in and Fedor wants to be able to fight in sambo tournaments in Russia.

rewog

11-16-2008, 07:04 PM

Problem is, who does he fight? Winner of Mir/Nogeria, sure, but after that? Who are the up and comers in the HW division? Probably the leanest weight class in MMA as far as I can see. Nobody from the light heavy class is gonna come up to fight Lesner. Like Randy, they would give up too much size and strength.

Maybe Dana can talk the Big Show into signing a UFC contract.

Hard to know.
I think Dana will avoid Nog for now.... and Werdum.
Maybe Gonzaga. They might try to bring someone in like Josh Barnett ?

rewog

11-16-2008, 07:14 PM

Randy's after fight interview...

"I think Fedor would tear Brock up at this point".

http://www.themmanews.com/?p=2175

fenderbender4

11-16-2008, 08:23 PM

I don't think Fedor would have any say in it.
Dana will want to protect Lesnar's reputation and money spinning ability, so he'll put him against fighters he knows he can beat... just watch and see.
I bet his next few opponents will be guys who don't have great striking or submission skills.

He'll have to eventually fight Nogueira or Mir. I want Nogueira to take it, just because he just stays in the fight and has great BJJ. So, Brock might have to fight a submission guy sooner. Unless something weird happens again in the MMA world, which is probably more likely than things going "according to plan."

rewog

11-16-2008, 09:01 PM

He'll have to eventually fight Nogueira or Mir. I want Nogueira to take it, just because he just stays in the fight and has great BJJ. So, Brock might have to fight a submission guy sooner. Unless something weird happens again in the MMA world, which is probably more likely than things going "according to plan."

Well with only 4 MMA fights under his belt, he's already fought Mir (and was submitted).
I'd like to see him fight Tim Sylvia, but after what Dana said about Sylvia, who knows if they'd bring him back or if he'd come back ??

Darby Crash

11-16-2008, 09:27 PM

I think he'd kill Sylvia. Brock would keep him on the ground the whole time, and Tim's not very good there.

rewog

11-16-2008, 09:51 PM

I think he'd kill Sylvia. Brock would keep him on the ground the whole time, and Tim's not very good there.

That would make Dana happy :)
Sylvia is still ranked fairly high... unlike most his other opponents.

ford

11-18-2008, 10:00 PM

I've seen people say that Lesnar shouldn't have had a title shot in his fourth fight.. and I can understand that.. of course Randy won the heavyweight title the first time in his fourth fight I believe.

Lesnar's size and sheer strength could be a problem for anyone. Would love to see him fight Fedor someday, but it is going to be a ways down the road.

I'm not really a Brock fan.. I wanted Randy to win.. but I can't deny how great an athlete Brock is. He was a fantastic college wrestler. His striking is improving and he hits HARD....

I think Nog is going to beat Mir and then Brock and Nog will fight. Even if he loses to Nog, they'll have a good payday putting him up against Mir again.. and I don't think he'll lose to Mir again.. he won't make the stupid mistake he did last time and it will be easy for him to take Mir down again.

rewog

11-18-2008, 10:07 PM

Did you guys see this fight... just an interesting one of Fedor fighting a guy that makes Lesnar look small - 7' 2" and 360 lbs.
The second time Fedor takes him down, you can see he tries to turn him but can't because he's so big, and Choi just lands on top of him. Also see how much damage he does to Fedor's face with just a few blows.
Choi is a kick boxer and had a record of 17 fights in K1 before this:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3QzX1ZadJM