new Star Trek Movie [Archive]

rob2001

11-15-2008, 09:03 AM

I love Star Trek, but I think the Kirk era has been done years ago with Generations, when he finally died. Unless they are going back to BEFORE the time of the original series, I'd prefer they leave him dead. I didn't read the whole article, but it just looks like they found actors that look somewhat like the original cast and nothing more. I'd rather have seen a new ST movie based on the Enterprise series cast. That series was great, and should have gone on longer, imho.

I love Star Trek too and i'd agree about Kirk, leave him dead! I'd go as far to say leave the original cast gone as well. I'd like to see another Next Generation movie though. Enterprise hey? Never watched it. I'll have to check it out.

KeyserZoso

11-15-2008, 09:06 AM

I love Star Trek, but I think the Kirk era has been done years ago with Generations, when he finally died. Unless they are going back to BEFORE the time of the original series, I'd prefer they leave him dead. I didn't read the whole article, but it just looks like they found actors that look somewhat like the original cast and nothing more. I'd rather have seen a new ST movie based on the Enterprise series cast. That series was great, and should have gone on longer, imho.

An enterprise movie would have been cool. The new movie takes place prior to the original series, supposedly during the Earth-Romulan war. I'm stoked to see this one even though it's got box-office bomb written all over it.

scottlr

11-15-2008, 09:10 AM

I love Star Trek too and i'd agree about Kirk, leave him dead! I'd go as far to say leave the original cast gone as well. I'd like to see another Next Generation movie though. Enterprise hey? Never watched it. I'll have to check it out.

I never minded them bring Spock back here and there. After all Vulcans live a long time.

The Enterprise series was actually well done. The first Enterprise, years before Kirk. And instead of the sleek luxury liners we all know, it looks more like a military ocean vessel. I thought it was well written, well acted (great cast) and filmed, and best of all, Jolene Blalock!
http://www.startrek.com/imageuploads/200308/tpol-publicity-03-02/240x320.jpg

Southbound

11-15-2008, 10:06 AM

..uummmmmmm, space boobies!!

Glowing Tubes

11-15-2008, 11:09 AM

I'm a big fan, can not wait for the movie to come out. Looks more industrial than other Trek movies and if JJ Abrams brings it anything like he did for Cloverfield, It will be a killer movie. IMO of course.

Wish they would come out with a second trailer though...

MjCartney

11-15-2008, 11:12 AM

Lookin' forward to it, and wish the release date was still next month. Hopefully, the fact that Paramount decided to hold it for summer blockbuster season is a good thing.

Once upon a time I was totally against Paramount ever doing something like this, as the performances/characterizations that Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley, et all gave are so iconic. I thought that any attempt for someone else to play those characters would come off like a bad stand-up routine at best. No one but Shatner could play Kirk as far as I was concerned.

Then I saw some of the really well done fan fiction movies, and changed my mind. If the actors focus on the character, develop their own characterization, and avoid trying to duplicate the characterizations we know so well, it can work. If the story is true to Star Trek, and not trying to be an wide-audience action movie or a latest/greatest effects movie, it can work.

I thought the casting of Quinto was brilliant, and he looks great in some photos I've seen. This cover photo one isn't one of them though and looks like a couple of freshmen going to a Halloween party. Regardless, my hopes are still high for the new movie.

Peace, and long life...

scoob

11-15-2008, 11:16 AM

Did someone say trailer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WNPb8R-40&fmt=18

brian b

11-15-2008, 11:23 AM

Saw the trailer before Quantum and it really looked cool by far the best looking Star Trek yet.

Glowing Tubes

11-15-2008, 11:38 AM

Did someone say trailer?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WNPb8R-40&fmt=18

Whoa! I just got a little misty eyed. :dude
It's going to be AWSOME!

Thanks for posting that.

MjCartney

11-15-2008, 11:42 AM

I'd rather have seen a new ST movie based on the Enterprise series cast. That series was great, and should have gone on longer, imho.

I agree, it would be cool to see Enterprise taken to a new level. An Enterprise movie, or another series, could be really cool. Manny Coto definitely brought some life back into the series, it would've been interesting to see what some folks like him could have done with a fifth season.

I was so jazzed for the Enterprise series, especially with Scott Bakula cast as the Captain. I thought the premiere episode was the best 1st episode of any of the Star Trek series, but I was rather disappointed with the show from there until Season 4, which was pretty decent up until the final episode. (Really lame way to go out, IMHO. They kept calling it a "valentine to the fans", but I still don't know what they were thinking. Sure, it was cool to see Riker and Troi, but the story for the Enterprise characters was just bad. What a waste to have Trip go out like that. It wasn't tragic, shocking, or tear-jerking, it was just a bad script from the word go.)

It seemed like a lot of the plots for Enterprise stories were often rehashed from TNG, and the show didn't have a Star Trek feel to it. The focus on hope and the potential of the human race that Roddenberry had based TOS and TNG seemed to be less prominent in each of the sequel series.

Braga and Berman get bashed a lot for this. While I think it is somewhat deserved, I also think it's a little unfair. While I didn't like what they did to my Star Trek overall, they did do some really good things in their run. Berman was great for TNG, and Braga really isn't a bad writer, he's just done a few really memorable bad scripts. (Humans evolving to salamanders when they travel too fast always leaps to mind...) They were both burned out, and had lost the fire and passion around Season 6 of TNG.

Star Trek is about people, the human sprit, and hope for what we can become. Braga and Berman lost that, and tried to go somewhere else. They kept trying to keep Star Trek alive by making it into something is wasn't, and the pattern of mostly great episodes with a few mediocre ones shifted the other way IMHO. I thank them for the great stuff they did, but I'm also glad they're no longer involved with Trek. They needed a rest.

I also think the TNG cast still has a movie or two left in them, and I'd love to see at least one more done so that Nemesis doesn't go down as their swansong. They deserve a lot better than Nemesis.

jammybastard

11-15-2008, 11:44 AM

Wow, that looks.......terrible.....and slightly homosexual, oddly enough.

Yeah, because the original Star Trek wasn't campy or "slightly homosexual" enough?
:jo

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff260/Nemesis1960/StarTrekGay3.jpg

Don't forget that the Tribbles were bi-sexual.
As Dr. Leonard McCoy says in "Metamorphosis",
"There's nothing disgusting about it. It's just another life form, that's all. You get used to those things."

Suproman77

11-15-2008, 11:51 AM

Yeah, because the original Star Trek wasn't campy or "slightly homosexual" enough?

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Kirk the uber, intergalatic, heterosexual stud? Wasn't Spock nearly asexual? Why portray them in this way now? Perhaps it's just what I'd consider bad marketing...maybe the movie isn't quite like that photo makes it seem.

BTW, camp is one thing, which they mostly try to move away from these days, but I don't quite get a lot of the weird spins they like to put on revamps of old shows/movies...like what they did with Knightrider and Transformers...yuk. It's like Michael Bay has poisoned Hollywood or something...

Austinrocks

11-15-2008, 12:01 PM

cool trailer, thanks, looking forward to the movie.

eBay

11-15-2008, 12:25 PM

Wow, that looks.......terrible.....and slightly homosexual, oddly enough.

Ironically, the homosexual community feels the same way about Shatner and Spock and I suspect that if you'd never seen the original and it simply began today, it might be the same reaction.

eBay

11-15-2008, 12:28 PM

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Kirk the uber, intergalatic, heterosexual stud? Wasn't Spock nearly asexual? Why portray them in this way now? Perhaps it's just what I'd consider bad marketing...maybe the movie isn't quite like that photo makes it seem.

BTW, camp is one thing, which they mostly try to move away from these days, but I don't quite get a lot of the weird spins they like to put on revamps of old shows/movies...like what they did with Knightrider and Transformers...yuk. It's like Michael Bay has poisoned Hollywood or something...

Yes, but if you subscribe to the idea of reaction formation, Kirk's womanizing and inability to actually bond with a female could be seen as his trying to deny his homosexual nature. His behavior is strongly pathological by my standards and makes him a dangerous candidate for a military leader because his emotional maturity appears to be in early adolescence.

hansoloist

11-15-2008, 12:33 PM

It's upsetting to see that JJ Abrams is at the helm. That guy has a knack for churning our garbage.

peace
-jeff

Smakutus

11-15-2008, 01:06 PM

I'm looking forward to this movie.. The trailer looks cool. Hopefully the story is great.

The last two Star Trek movies were lame and that last one totally sucked. Too much Data and Picard. Enterprise bored me. The best episodes of that show were the ones with the Mirror universe and the Tholians from the last season. If they had started that way and got better the show may still be on. Rick Berman is the devil!

Jeff

John Hurtt

11-15-2008, 01:14 PM

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Kirk the uber, intergalatic, heterosexual stud? Wasn't Spock nearly asexual? Why portray them in this way now? Perhaps it's just what I'd consider bad marketing...maybe the movie isn't quite like that photo makes it seem.

BTW, camp is one thing, which they mostly try to move away from these days, but I don't quite get a lot of the weird spins they like to put on revamps of old shows/movies...like what they did with Knightrider and Transformers...yuk. It's like Michael Bay has poisoned Hollywood or something...

It looks homosexual because there is a picture of two guys, in costume for a movie...standing next to each other? Am I missing something?:jo

Suproman77

11-15-2008, 01:17 PM

Ironically, the homosexual community feels the same way about Shatner and Spock and I suspect that if you'd never seen the original and it simply began today, it might be the same reaction.

Yes, but if you subscribe to the idea of reaction formation, Kirk's womanizing and inability to actually bond with a female could be seen as his trying to deny his homosexual nature. His behavior is strongly pathological by my standards and makes him a dangerous candidate for a military leader because his emotional maturity appears to be in early adolescence.

Perhaps. I never gave this much thought at all until I saw that picture...just seemed out of place to me based on what I thought I knew about the original series, Kirk, and Spock.

Suproman77

11-15-2008, 01:19 PM

It looks homosexual because there is a picture of two guys, in costume for a movie...standing next to each other? Am I missing something?:jo

Haha, if you don't see it, I can't explain it to you. Sorry.

WesKuhnley

11-15-2008, 01:30 PM

AHHHHHHHHH! This is going to be the best thing to ever happen. EVER.

John Hurtt

11-15-2008, 01:31 PM

Haha, if you don't see it, I can't explain it to you. Sorry.

I don't, it looks like a pic for a magazine or a movie poster to me. Maybe you are reading something into it that doesn't exist? Though, I've found that usually when someone tries to typecast someone/something they end up looking foolish.

DiazDude

11-15-2008, 01:32 PM

The new communications officer....
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d136/diazdude/JuSw-Pat.jpg

Suproman77

11-15-2008, 02:03 PM

I don't, it looks like a pic for a magazine or a movie poster to me. Maybe you are reading something into it that doesn't exist? Though, I've found that usually when someone tries to typecast someone/something they end up looking foolish.

Take a breather, friend. I'm just expressing my opinion...no one said you had to like it or agree with it.

John Hurtt

11-15-2008, 02:31 PM

Take a breather, friend. I'm just expressing my opinion...no one said you had to like it or agree with it.

I'm fine, but thanks...:) Just trying to understand your point. I "don't think" I've expressed agreement or not...

Suproman77

11-15-2008, 02:35 PM

I'm fine, but thanks...:) Just trying to understand your point. I "don't think" I've expressed agreement or not...

There was no need to insinuate that you think I'm being foolish...and that's exactly what you did.

Like I said before, if you don't see what I see, there's no possible way for me to explain that to you...if that makes me a fool in your eyes, sobeit, but it won't change my opinion.

John Hurtt

11-15-2008, 02:39 PM

There was no need to insinuate that you think I'm being foolish...and that's exactly what you did.

Like I said before, if you don't see what I see, there's no possible way for me to explain that to you...if that makes me a fool in your eyes, sobeit, but it won't change my opinion.

Sorry if my post was taken that way, I was just trying to understand what you saw in a picture of two guys in movie wardrobe that looked, in your words, "gay".

Enough time spent on this, though.

Suproman77

11-15-2008, 02:43 PM

Sorry if my post was taken that way, I was just trying to understand what you saw in a picture of two guys in movie wardrobe that looked, in your words, "gay".

Enough time spent on this, though.

I actually said 'homosexual', just for the record, but you're right...too much time spent on this. Let's forget it and move on.

Stratofuzz

11-15-2008, 02:54 PM

i'll go see it

bigkahuna2u

11-15-2008, 03:16 PM

Nerdgasm anyone?

davecan

11-15-2008, 03:42 PM

I never really got any of the shows or movies that followed the original series. Yes I know it's got terrible special effects, but the stories and action, IMO, were much better than anything that followed (i admit to not watching more than a few shows of the spin offs).
And yes, Kirk and Spock look kind of homosexual in that magazine cover; not that there's anything wrong with it. (standing too close to each other and with somewhat feminine or metrosexual features, IMO)

chrisr777

11-15-2008, 03:52 PM

Wasn't Spock nearly asexual?

No way, Nurse Chapel had the hots for him and he almost went for it once when some alien parasite nearly made him lose control. And who could forget the time he almost killed Kirk over a woman. His pre-arranged wife during the episode "Amok Time".

americananalog

11-15-2008, 08:50 PM

AHHHHHHHHH! This is going to be the best thing to ever happen. EVER.

No, you mean THIS!!!:AOK
http://www.startreknewvoyages.com/episodes.html
You won't see these on TV! The adventure continues.

jammybastard

11-15-2008, 10:27 PM

Well, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Kirk the uber, intergalatic, heterosexual stud?

A regular Rock Hudson in outer space!
:AOK

I get your point, and the photo is definately portrays a more "metrosexual" look for the young men of the Enterprise. Airbrushing will do that to anyone.

Zero

11-16-2008, 01:10 AM

I dug TOS & TNG a lot, a couple of the movies were okay and that's it. I won't see this one.

The Last Rebel

11-16-2008, 01:12 AM

Like all of Abrams' movies I'm expecting there to be no plotline and no real acting to speak of, but I'm sure there will be tons of awesome special effects and CGI!

eBay

11-16-2008, 09:05 PM

It looks homosexual because there is a picture of two guys, in costume for a movie...standing next to each other? Am I missing something?:jo

First off, there's the proximity. They're too close for two guys to stand. Also, it appears that their nipples are touching. Secondly, Young Kirk is standing with his torso facing Spock. When he turns his head back, their lips will be about 4 inches from each other. It appears also like Kirk was somehow distracted from Spock for the picture; it's like it makes me wonder what they were talking about just before he turned but then I don't really want to know. Next, they are all made up and impeccably coiffed. But it's the eyebrows that are really hard to handle. Their makeup and hair people gave them both too straight a line on them. They look like they've been waxed. When doing male eyebrows, it's essential that the edges be staggered or else it looks effeminate. It's really terrible looking the more I study it. However, the androgenous thing often works for young girls because they are often seeking women in mans/boys bodies at that age because they don't have a real understanding of male energy or how to relate to it.

KeyserZoso

11-16-2008, 09:59 PM

Thanks for posting that trailer!!!

John Hurtt

11-16-2008, 10:02 PM

First off, there's the proximity. They're too close for two guys to stand. Also, it appears that their nipples are touching. Secondly, Young Kirk is standing with his torso facing Spock. When he turns his head back, their lips will be about 4 inches from each other. It appears also like Kirk was somehow distracted from Spock for the picture; it's like it makes me wonder what they were talking about just before he turned but then I don't really want to know. Next, they are all made up and impeccably coiffed. But it's the eyebrows that are really hard to handle. Their makeup and hair people gave them both too straight a line on them. They look like they've been waxed. When doing male eyebrows, it's essential that the edges be staggered or else it looks effeminate. It's really terrible looking the more I study it. However, the androgenous thing often works for young girls because they are often seeking women in mans/boys bodies at that age because they don't have a real understanding of male energy or how to relate to it.

Thanks for the explanation, but I still only see the two main actors in a movie positioned so that you could get as much of them on a magazine cover or a theater poster. It's not like this was a photo taken while the two guys were hangin'....at least I think not...

Appreciate the explanation regardless. :BEER

Suproman77

11-16-2008, 10:14 PM

First off, there's the proximity. They're too close for two guys to stand. Also, it appears that their nipples are touching. Secondly, Young Kirk is standing with his torso facing Spock. When he turns his head back, their lips will be about 4 inches from each other. It appears also like Kirk was somehow distracted from Spock for the picture; it's like it makes me wonder what they were talking about just before he turned but then I don't really want to know. Next, they are all made up and impeccably coiffed. But it's the eyebrows that are really hard to handle. Their makeup and hair people gave them both too straight a line on them. They look like they've been waxed. When doing male eyebrows, it's essential that the edges be staggered or else it looks effeminate. It's really terrible looking the more I study it. However, the androgenous thing often works for young girls because they are often seeking women in mans/boys bodies at that age because they don't have a real understanding of male energy or how to relate to it.

Yep, that really just about sums it up, but....

Thanks for the explanation, but I still only see the two main actors in a movie positioned so that you could get as much of them on a magazine cover or a theater poster. It's not like this was a photo taken while the two guys were hangin'....at least I think not...

Appreciate the explanation regardless. :BEER
...I knew you still wouldn't see it which is why I didn't bother. Like I said, it's not really something you can convey. Either you see it or you don't.

BTW, I will still watch this movie even though I don't like what I'm seeing so far. Eh, maybe I'll wait for Netflix. :)

StratManKudzu

11-16-2008, 10:15 PM

...yuk. It's like Michael Bay has poisoned Hollywood or something...

He has and should be stoned in the village square :mob

eBay

11-17-2008, 02:00 AM

Thanks for the explanation, but I still only see the two main actors in a movie positioned so that you could get as much of them on a magazine cover or a theater poster. It's not like this was a photo taken while the two guys were hangin'....at least I think not...

Appreciate the explanation regardless. :BEER

Here's four guys on a poster and it doesn't look quirky. It can be done.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/80/Four_brothers.jpg/200px-Four_brothers.jpg

John Hurtt

11-17-2008, 02:41 PM

Here's four guys on a poster and it doesn't look quirky. It can be done.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/80/Four_brothers.jpg/200px-Four_brothers.jpg

You don't think it looks odd to be looking up four guys crotch's? Or, that Wahlberg is trying to jam his crank into the guy next to him? :banana

ljplum12

11-17-2008, 04:35 PM

You don't think it looks odd to be looking up four guys crotch's? Or, that Wahlberg is trying to jam his crank into the guy next to him? :banana

The third dude from the left is definitely thrusting his pelvis a bit.

eBay

11-18-2008, 11:24 AM

Of course this line of discussion is pretty dangerous if you think in terms of projection and repression ;-)

elkym

11-18-2008, 02:16 PM

Just so you all know-- Kirk never actually dies...

Shatner (and probably some hired staff) wrote a few books that perpetuate Kirk, resurrecting him with borg technology, then giving him his youth back thru some other random weird technology... yeah... I read too many nerdy books when I was a kid...

Suproman77

11-18-2008, 02:37 PM

Of course this line of discussion is pretty dangerous if you think in terms of projection and repression ;-)

You've never been in a Turkish prison, have you?

:p

Jahn

11-18-2008, 02:41 PM

Suproman77

11-18-2008, 02:57 PM

There are plenty of ways to pose for a movie poster without invading personal space, even if you're all smashed next to each other, for instance:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9c/Usual_suspects_ver1.jpg/403px-Usual_suspects_ver1.jpg

Exactly. It's not just that they're standing close together, but the way they look, and their facial expressions.

This poster here, just like the movie, projects a strong sense of masculinity to me and that's quite interesting actually because the man who directed The Usual Suspects, Bryan Singer, is openly gay.

Smakutus

11-18-2008, 03:01 PM

Exactly. It's not just that they're standing close together, but the way they look, and their facial expressions.

This poster here, just like the movie, projects a strong sense of masculinity to me and that's quite interesting actually because the man who directed The Usual Suspects, Bryan Singer, is openly gay.

That poster is unrealistic because if you're in a police line up you don't stand that close together. The only time you see guys stand that close together is in front of a brick wall for their band photos. And most of the time those bands don't look comfortable with it.. ;)

Jeff

Jahn

11-18-2008, 03:05 PM

That poster is unrealistic because i you're in a police line up you don't stand that close together. The only time you see guys stand that close together is in front of a brick wall for their band photos. And most of the time those bands don't look comfortable with it.. ;)

Jeff

whatchu talkin' bout? these cats seem mighty comfortable in their skin!

http://cache.idolator.com/assets/resources/2006/11/orleans.jpg

oops crap nm that one i meant this one!

http://blogs.indiewire.com/twhalliii/ramones.jpg

Jarrett

11-18-2008, 03:07 PM

LOL, this thread deviation is hysterical :)

Smakutus

11-18-2008, 03:20 PM

whatchu talkin' bout? these cats seem mighty comfortable in their skin!

http://cache.idolator.com/assets/resources/2006/11/orleans.jpg

Yikes...

oops crap nm that one i meant this one!

http://blogs.indiewire.com/twhalliii/ramones.jpg

We all know about Dee Dee there.. But look at Johnny standing away from the rest as if to say. "Don't touch me!"

Jeff

Suproman77

11-18-2008, 03:37 PM

That poster is unrealistic because if you're in a police line up you don't stand that close together. The only time you see guys stand that close together is in front of a brick wall for their band photos. And most of the time those bands don't look comfortable with it.. ;)

Jeff

Well, you're right that they don't stand that close together in real life and they didn't in the actual movie either, I believe, but I guess it necessary to do that in order to squeeze that many guys onto a movie poster and still be able to easily recognize their faces. The Star Trek poster doesn't have that excuse though.

LOL, this thread deviation is hysterical :)

Yeah, I know it's my fault....and I even tried to stop it once before. Oh well. :)