Couldn't Have Happened to a Nicer (not) Guy (Michael Vick content)

[Flyin' Brian]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-timdahlberg-111508&prov=ap&type=lgns

[Texas_Blues]

Ha, he gets what he deserves. I hope no one throws him a bone.

[John Hurtt]

It's the NFL, someone will give him a look.

[mlavin00]

My bet is he goes to the Raiders. They like their convicts.

[fretnot]

It's the NFL, someone will give him a look.

I disagree. I think any rumor of a team giving him a workout would end in protests, and the last thing a team needs is to be boycotted. Michael Vick was not Joe Montana when he did play...his career is over, and it should be.

[shredtrash]

He blew it in so many ways. He got what he deserved.

[DiazDude]

I don't even think the Lions would think about him..but I may be wrong.

[aleclee]

I think someone will give him a look, if only to gauge the potential backlash. If they think that they can take the PR hit, someone's likely to think he's worth an incentive-heavy contract.

[FlyingDutchman]

I cant believe all the money he blew..Its absolutely amazing. I think he will get back into the NFL. Lions or Raiders.

[halorealm7]

Just my opinion but Vick has paid his debt to society. There are those who have killed "priceless animals" called "humans" who have gotten a lot less than Vick. What he was involved in wasn't right but it's not a capital crime either.

[stevieboy]

I think the fact that he wasn't all that successful when he did play, after an early splash, will have as much to do with it than his record.

I'm for giving people another chance after they do their time. For most guys another chance isn't at millions of dollars, but whatever. Certainly the NFL has given some bad guys more than another chance. Hasn't worked out often, and that may be a lesson teams will look at as well.

[halorealm7]

I think the fact that he wasn't all that successful when he did play, after an early splash, will have as much to do with it than his record.

I'm for giving people another chance after they do their time. For most guys another chance isn't at millions of dollars, but whatever. Certainly the NFL has given some bad guys more than another chance. Hasn't worked out often, and that may be a lesson teams will look at as well.

I agree...I think his time has come and gone and moreover it was more of a fad anyway. I think he could get a shot but it won't be easy for him to fit anywhere.

[madaxeman]

My bet is he goes to the Raiders. They like their convicts.
Bingo!!!

[denver.p]

Personally, I think the Michael Vick incident got a little blown out of proportion. Don't get me wrong, I love animals and in no way condone doing them any wrong, but just look at the NFL. In the 90s Christian Peter was arrested eight times, twice accused of rape, with one resulting in settlement and the other a conviction. He then played for the Colts, Bears and Giants. Lawrence Phillips pleaded to a brutal domestic abuse case, was arrested three times over the following 19 months, and still played for the Dolphins and the 49ers, even after he hit a woman in a bar. Leonard Little killed Susan Gutweiler, a 47-year-old wife and mother, while driving drunk. He got 90 nights in a work release program and 1,000 hours of community service. In 2004, Little beat another drunk driving case. He still plays for the Rams.
I just don`t see why everyone made such a stink over Vick when these guys, and many others, kept playing almost unnoticed.
I guess it is the same reason people donate to PETA and WWF when there people in worse living conditions than many animals.

[stevieboy]

Personally, I think the Michael Vick incident got a little blown out of proportion. Don't get me wrong, I love animals and in no way condone doing them any wrong, but just look at the NFL. In the 90s Christian Peter was arrested eight times, twice accused of rape, with one resulting in settlement and the other a conviction. He then played for the Colts, Bears and Giants. Lawrence Phillips pleaded to a brutal domestic abuse case, was arrested three times over the following 19 months, and still played for the Dolphins and the 49ers, even after he hit a woman in a bar. Leonard Little killed Susan Gutweiler, a 47-year-old wife and mother, while driving drunk. He got 90 nights in a work release program and 1,000 hours of community service. In 2004, Little beat another drunk driving case. He still plays for the Rams.
I just don`t see why everyone made such a stink over Vick when these guys, and many others, kept playing almost unnoticed.
I guess it is the same reason people donate to PETA and WWF when there people in worse living conditions than many animals.

I'm not going to get into ranking the offenses, all are bad enough IMO.

I will say this though, the NFL and other leagues are getting much tougher on these things, and on guys with less issues than any of these.

[pbradt]

IF he goes to the Raiders, *I* will be protesting.

[denver.p]

I will say this though, the NFL and other leagues are getting much tougher on these things, and on guys with less issues than any of these.

Here here!

[halorealm7]

Personally, I think the Michael Vick incident got a little blown out of proportion. Don't get me wrong, I love animals and in no way condone doing them any wrong, but just look at the NFL. In the 90s Christian Peter was arrested eight times, twice accused of rape, with one resulting in settlement and the other a conviction. He then played for the Colts, Bears and Giants. Lawrence Phillips pleaded to a brutal domestic abuse case, was arrested three times over the following 19 months, and still played for the Dolphins and the 49ers, even after he hit a woman in a bar. Leonard Little killed Susan Gutweiler, a 47-year-old wife and mother, while driving drunk. He got 90 nights in a work release program and 1,000 hours of community service. In 2004, Little beat another drunk driving case. He still plays for the Rams.
I just don`t see why everyone made such a stink over Vick when these guys, and many others, kept playing almost unnoticed.
I guess it is the same reason people donate to PETA and WWF when there people in worse living conditions than many animals.
+1
add Ray Lewis to the "incident" report as well. and Pac Man and.....

[Tonefish]

From $15,000,000 per year to $12.89 per month ... makes my 401k not seem so bad afterall.

no animals were injured in the making of this statement.

[halorealm7]

From $15,000,000 per year to $12.89 per month ... makes my 401k not seem so bad afterall.

no animals were injured in the making of this statement.
:nono
LMFAO
there's always a bright side to everything

[Option]

As far as I'm concerned he's doing his time for what he's done. I think he deserves a second chance. Anybody here ever made a mistake (maybe not as big)?

[-Analog-]

THey should revoke his citizenship, what a piece of trash...

[cottoneyedjoe]

I got one thing to say:

He is living proof of the phrase "don't sh*t where you eat..."

The only problem is once he gets out he won't stay in Kansas. He will come back to Virginia. Unfortunately.

Yes, I make mistakes. I ask for forgiveness. However I do not break the law, AND I know the difference between right and wrong where that is concerned.

When I was a kid no one ever told me if I made a million bucks I could break the law any way I choose. I also know several millionaires that set a "good" example as a role model. Unfortunately for Mr. Vick and some of his relatives no one told them that.

Abe Lincoln once said: "If a person has a problem with their behavior, it can be changed with a little teaching and discipline. If a person has a flaw in their character, there is no changing it."

Sorry, but Abe was right. It has been proven more often than not.

Plus, I am glad I don't have to forgive the guy. Because I probably wouldn't.

[Jon Silberman]

He doesn't need anyone here's forgiveness. He needs a new chance to ply his trade after paying his dues to society. Personally, I wouldn't rush to sign him for my team but neither would I rule it out. Do not be so quick to mete out judgments.

[Zhurh]

I still think he got a raw deal too. I don't fight dogs, don't want to see it legalized, but know it's a time honored culturally accepted sport in many communities; especially inner city communities.

I saw dog fighting in Korea, hundreds of people at the events.

I never even cared or thought about Vick until his life was ruined over this case. Ya, he has sure payed a big debt to society. How many of you have had a DWI? A pot bust? or any number of socially frowned upon problems? Do you think a couple years & ruined career would have been equitable in those cases? Child abusers get off lighter than Vick did.

I wish Vick the best, hope he tears up the NFL too. Heck river people still eat dogs here along the Yukon.

[Nick67]

Some NFL team will take a shot, eventually. I can see Vick getting a shot in the Arena league for a year or two, then trying for a "late" redemption run inthe NFL to finish up his career. I also could see the Raiders going after him as soon as he leaves the pen. Al Davis is crazy. Vick deserves zero sympathy in my opinion. Arrogance and ignorance was a big part of his downfall, and he should have gotten more time. I bet the Falcons and the NFL have a lot more dirt they are keeping quiet on Michale Vick. But who can't love Ron Mexico?!!!

[Lotis]

I think they should give these thieving bankers the same deal.

[Gary F.]

+1
add Ray Lewis to the "incident" report as well. and Pac Man and.....

Met a nice couple at the beach this summer; steelers fans. We made some good natured pigskin jibing and then they said, "at least we don't have a murderer on our team."

Is this really the perception of Ray Lewis today? http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon9.gif

I've always though he was in the wrong place at the wrong time and street cred didn't allow him to rat out anyone.

Anyway, Ray is a pillar of society these days and the undisputed team leader of the Ravens.

Gary

[Thwap]

I've never been too big on continuing to kick someone when they're down.

It was a really bad situation, and I felt awful for the animals.

He's doing his time, when it's done, it's over for me.

If he plays again fine.

[Jon Silberman]

And we wonder why the recidivism rate among felons is so high when so many people's first responses are, "Prevent him from working after he gets out."

[showman(tx)]

And we wonder why the recidivism rate among felons is so high when so many people's first responses are, "Prevent him from working after he gets out."

I wouldn't say "prevent him from working", but just because he's done his time and paid his debt to society (assuming those things are true) doesn't mean "rehabilitated criminals" have the right to go back to the lifestyle they had before. Yes he has the right to live free and make a living, but that doesn't mean he has the right to be a role model, make $15m a year and be on TV every Sunday just because that's what he was doing before he committed his crimes. Learn a new skill to get by, people do it every day.

Try doing anything close to what he did and come back to where you worked before. I know for most companies in my industry if you have bad credit or a DWI you're done ...

[big mike]

It's the NFL, someone will give him a look.

Yup

My bet is he goes to the Raiders. They like their convicts.

Back that up. I'm sick and tired of people playing the 'convict' card. You're repeating BS that fell out of Chuck Knoll's mouth 25 years ago.

[big mike]

Where's everyone protesting Leonard Little of the Rams for killing someone while drunk driving, and then being caught with another DUI?

How bout Larry Johnson spitting on women in bars?

How bout all the wife beaters and drug dealers that get a second chance?
Jamal Lewis, Michael Pittman?

I don't like vick. I don't want him on the raiders, I don't want him in the NFL, but let's weigh out the offenses.

How many times did Michael Irvin get a pass...caught on drugs and with hookers.
Nate Newton, importing Marijuana...

I'm just saying, in the grand scheme, yes the animal abuse and gambling on it is atrocious, but there's so not an even treatment going on.

[Jon Silberman]

Try doing anything close to what he did and come back to where you worked before. I know for most companies in my industry if you have bad credit or a DWI you're done ...
You just sealed my point.

[twinrider1]

Never liked him. WAY overrated, even in his prime. I think he has paid his debt though. If he can be very humble and do a LOT of public service I think he can revive his image in most people's eyes. He might be a backup somewhere.

[Luke]

He will come back as a 3rd string player making league minimum. He will have to use most of the first year's money running ads to apologize, do the talk show circuit, donating to PETA, etc....Eventually he will be a 2nd string QB floating from team to team, making $1,000,000 a year. He needs to hire a crisis management team to help him reinvent his image, he better walk out that prison door praising you know how and denouncing material items to get a jump start.

I am absolutely positive Vick possesses no other skill that could earn him $200,000 a year so he has to make football work. The other option is Europe.

[It's Time!]

Vick is an awful person and he's finished in the NFL.

[cottoneyedjoe]

Where's everyone protesting Leonard Little of the Rams for killing someone while drunk driving, and then being caught with another DUI?

How bout Larry Johnson spitting on women in bars?

How bout all the wife beaters and drug dealers that get a second chance?
Jamal Lewis, Michael Pittman?

I don't like vick. I don't want him on the raiders, I don't want him in the NFL, but let's weigh out the offenses.

How many times did Michael Irvin get a pass...caught on drugs and with hookers.
Nate Newton, importing Marijuana...

I'm just saying, in the grand scheme, yes the animal abuse and gambling on it is atrocious, but there's so not an even treatment going on.

That is why I play guitar and follow musicians. More excitement.

Football is for sissies.

When was the last time one of them took a horse tranquilizer and fell out of a seven story window into a dumpster?

Mr. Vick needs to give it a try.

Let's face it. It isn't about what you do, its about "how" you do it.
There are plenty of great people in every form of life. Then there are plenty of losers. Certain people don't have to try to fall into that category. Mr. Vick is one of those people. As well as all of these other aforementioned "characters".

[Kingbeegtrs]

That is why I play guitar and follow musicians. More excitement.

Football is for sissies.

When was the last time one of them took a horse tranquilizer and fell out of a seven story window into a dumpster?

Mr. Vick needs to give it a try.

Let's face it. It isn't about what you do, its about "how" you do it.
There are plenty of great people in every form of life. Then there are plenty of losers. Certain people don't have to try to fall into that category. Mr. Vick is one of those people. As well as all of these other aforementioned "characters".

LMAO
Why did SRV have to die? I mean, why couldn't it have been someone really untalented. You could but Motley Crue on an airplane full of cocaine and they'd land three weeks later saying "rock on dude". Jon Bon Jovi, get in the helicopter...there's a hairdresser in there.
-dennis leary

[Zilmo]

You just sealed my point.


They should be put in charge of the rainbows and unicorns when they get out of jail.

Right?

[Kingbeegtrs]

They should be put in charge of the rainbows and unicorns when they get out of jail.

Right?

and butterflies

[shihanderek]

Where's everyone protesting Leonard Little of the Rams for killing someone while drunk driving, and then being caught with another DUI?

How bout Larry Johnson spitting on women in bars?

How bout all the wife beaters and drug dealers that get a second chance?
Jamal Lewis, Michael Pittman?

I don't like vick. I don't want him on the raiders, I don't want him in the NFL, but let's weigh out the offenses.

How many times did Michael Irvin get a pass...caught on drugs and with hookers.
Nate Newton, importing Marijuana...

I'm just saying, in the grand scheme, yes the animal abuse and gambling on it is atrocious, but there's so not an even treatment going on.

I agree, and thought Vick got caught at the wrong time. The press/NFL/law enforcement had enough of these guys getting by and chose Vick to make an example. I am sorry, but dog fighting as nasty as it is, is not in the ballpark with vehicular manslaughter or being part of a shooting/killing, even if it is a small part.

Guys like Pac Man and Larry Johnson are on pretty short leashes (pardon the pun). Look at Jared Allen. One more party and he loses half a season. The NFL has always been full of great guys and guys you just as soon punch. The bottom line is are you one of the best athletes available?

This past year was the first time in my memory we saw a clearly superior athlete (Barry Bonds) not given a job even though he could have been a top DH on an AL team. The collusion investigation is ongoing. Same thing might happen to Vick. The fact that Little is still able to be a Ram, or that Ray Lewis is now considered a "pillar of the community", just goes to show you that if you can keep your nose clean, say and do the right things, you often get a second chance if you have the skills.

[big mike]

I agree, and thought Vick got caught at the wrong time. The press/NFL/law enforcement had enough of these guys getting by and chose Vick to make an example. I am sorry, but dog fighting as nasty as it is, is not in the ballpark with vehicular manslaughter or being part of a shooting/killing, even if it is a small part.

Guys like Pac Man and Larry Johnson are on pretty short leashes (pardon the pun). Look at Jared Allen. One more party and he loses half a season. The NFL has always been full of great guys and guys you just as soon punch. The bottom line is are you one of the best athletes available?

This past year was the first time in my memory we saw a clearly superior athlete (Barry Bonds) not given a job even though he could have been a top DH on an AL team. The collusion investigation is ongoing. Same thing might happen to Vick. The fact that Little is still able to be a Ram, or that Ray Lewis is now considered a "pillar of the community", just goes to show you that if you can keep your nose clean, say and do the right things, you often get a second chance if you have the skills.

You don't have to even keep your nose that clean.
I'll say Little's offense is way worse than Vick's even if it was accidental.

[Greggy]

Vick and Lawrence Phillips to the CFL in a package deal. That would be one thuggin backfield up north.

[Gas-man]

I read in the WSJ that 65 NFL players have been arrested this year alone.

[shihanderek]

Thing is, if you look at the statistics of pro athletes versus the general population, the same approximate percentage run afoul with the law. It is just due to their fame, we get to hear about it ad nauseum. There was a book out in recent years that addressed this issue. Can't recall the title, anyone?

[K-man]

He'll look good in a Cowboys uniform along with Pacman.

[Barefoot]

When this guy was sentanced I said I was suprised he took that big a hit.

Got pasted pretty good for saying it.

When he went to jail I said he showed some character giving himself up to the system without prolonging the mess by playing the race card or filing appeals. Seemed to be making an effort to put it behind him.

Got pasted pretty good for saying it.

Well, he's done his time and should be left alone to persue his profession.




None of that says what he did was anything other than wretched.
And No, I wouldn't let him marry my dog......

[-Analog-]

http://madmikesamerica.blogspot.com/2007/08/dog-fightertorturerkiller-vick-finds.html

look at that.

DOES THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT DESERVE TO MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? BE IN THE SPOT LIGHT?



no...

[Barefoot]

Does a man who set bombs in public buildings and private homes in an attempt to kill innocent people deserve to be employed as a professor in a university setting? Of course not.

Not saying I would or do support either person but why do people get rightous about one and make endless excuses for the other?

All I'm saying is one guy paid his debt as set for by the legal system we all live by. Dont support him if you don't want to. Who cares?

The other asshat just beat the system.

Moral equivelancy? Sure its the latest rage. But folks just get mad and rightous when they're on the other side of it.

Just my opinion.

(Horrible photo. Really evil stuff.)

[K-man]

Well, he's done his time and should be left alone to persue his profession.

He most certainly should not. Kids do not need him as a role model. Playing a professional sport is a privilege, not a right.

Look at someone like Warrick Dunn, whose mother was murdered and had to become a parent to his siblings, and managed to get his family out of the ghetto and make the most of his opportunity in the NFL. An inspirational story and someone who makes a good role model for other kids. Vick is a disgrace.

[Flyin' Brian]

http://madmikesamerica.blogspot.com/2007/08/dog-fightertorturerkiller-vick-finds.html
look at that.
DOES THE PERSON RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT DESERVE TO MAKE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS? BE IN THE SPOT LIGHT?
no...

No he probably doesn't. That picture is hideous. I keep going back and forth about this. In order to be fair, you need to also post pics of some of the women who have been beaten by other players. On the other hand, humans have some resources to get away from their tormentors, animals do not. Other other hand the system sets up a situation where once a criminal pays his/her debt to society, he/she is free to pursue a life.
There's no simple answer. Maybe his sentence should have been longer. Maybe the sentences of others should have been longer. Ultimately it's for the courts to decide and they're also far from infallible.

[Greggy]

Thing is, if you look at the statistics of pro athletes versus the general population, the same approximate percentage run afoul with the law. It is just due to their fame, we get to hear about it ad nauseum. There was a book out in recent years that addressed this issue. Can't recall the title, anyone?

Gotta dig deeper than that. For example, given the superior support networks surrounding pro athletes (agents, team and personal attorneys, team PR bureaucracy, mucho $$$, etc.), any simple comparison of arrests or convictions is likely a biased estimator of true propensity to commit crimes between the general populace and pro athletes. Maybe the authors controlled, or attempted to control, those variables.

[-Analog-]

Any of these guys, really

Your in the NFL
your making millions...

life is good


You drink
Import a ton of weed.
Beat your wife
kill 40 dogs
DUI and kill someone
and expect for things to go back to normal.

What the ?@?> ????

theres a lawyer for the nfl somewhere pulling his hair out dealing with this crap..
http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/tobkatrina/tobkatrina0512/tobkatrina051200071/297710.jpg

[Rumblefish]

I'm in Dallas and I guarantee that good ol' Jerry Jones has at least contemplated Vick.I bet he passes on this one.Nothing would surprise me though.

[Gas-man]

I'm in Dallas and I guarantee that good ol' Jerry Jones has at least contemplated Vick.I bet he passes on this one.Nothing would surprise me though.

Is the "White House" still in operation down there in Big D?

[niersbach]

Doesnt Vick still have to face State Charges after his sentance?? He pled guilty to Federal charges and hte stes charges are on hold until he serves his time.

Also, Goodell has indefinitely suspended him, so he isnt going to get JACK until he comes up with a REALLY good story, as I recall the Commish had numerous private meetings with Vick during his trial where he denied ALL wrongdoings...

I just dont see him back in the NFL...arena, CFL, Europe are all possibilities jsut because of the crowds he will draw...but as far as being in the NFL I think/hope its all over. He always had the heat on him for something, even back in his college days there was always news about possiblities of wrongdoing...just like his brother....at least he didnt make it further.

[dzo]

Remember the thread about the TGP member who couldn't get a job because he forgot to list fishing without a license on his application?

It's the NFL so he'll get a chance. I too am for second chances but it's a shame we seem to be more willing to give them to people who can play a sport. A second chance is one thing, third, fourth and fifth chances are another.

[guitarmook]

I believe people can be rehabilitated, and return from crime/prison to be useful, valued members of society. So to that end, I don't belive in the concept of "Vick can never play football again."

However - I don't know how to define 'rehabilitated'. I also don't know any particulars about Vick's statements or behavior since his imprisonment.

And a third complication is the concept of 'celebrity' or 'role model' associated with professional sports. I think that requires a much deeper, much more public commitment to rehabilitation than regular people who don't have high-profile public jobs.

Would *I* hire him? Not without a series of very long interviews, and some very public commitments from him.

Do I think he'll get hired? - Probably not on the NFL level next season.

[pickaguitar]

I’m hoping he makes a triumphant return! America loves a good comeback story.

[procos]

IF he goes to the Raiders, *I* will be protesting.

I'm sure Al Davis will take that into consideration. Yeah right.:rolleyes:

[cottoneyedjoe]

I'm tellin ya, tranquilizer....seven story window....dumpster.

Vick really needs to give it a shot. Hell, Keith Moon did it and he went to bed at 4 every morning and got up at 1pm every day. Physically demanding stuff.

And he beat the crap out of the skins every night. Only passed out on the kit once.

How come one of these guys never goes out like Keith. Shame really. I'd rather have Keith than a useless football "player" or "athlete"....

Football still is for sissies....

[big mike]

My bet is he goes to the Raiders. They like their convicts.

I'm still waiting for some backup on this, as opposed to the BS that Chuck Knoll whined about. (and Atkinson sued him).

Name me one Convict.

And again I'll state, What Vick did isn't as bad as what Little did. Why no outrage there?

I'll agree with the poster about Warrick Dunn. CLASS act.

[tonedaddy]

I read in the WSJ that 65 NFL players have been arrested this year alone.

And if you're still watching football after hearing that,
you obviously don't have a problem with it.

Vick deserves a chance if a team is willing to give him one.
PETA protests be damned.

[Motorhed]

It all makes me want to boycott pro sports, none of these people mentioned INCLUDING Vick should or should have gotten a second chance to play again. These people are supposed to be role models and are very much in the public eye, they should have to have responsibilities for being given this chance. Once they do thier time, they can make a living again, let them work for McDOnalds or something but I don't buy that they should be able to go back to making millions.

[pickaguitar]

It all makes me want to boycott pro sports, none of these people mentioned INCLUDING Vick should or should have gotten a second chance to play again. These people are supposed to be role models and are very much in the public eye, they should have to have responsibilities for being given this chance. Once they do thier time, they can make a living again, let them work for McDOnalds or something but I don't buy that they should be able to go back to making millions.
Ummmm....no. These people are not supposed to be role models just because they are in the public eye.
They are supposed to be athletes and promotion tools to sell products and fill seats/sell tickets

[Gas-man]

Name me one Convict.

.

Randy Moss?

[big mike]

1) What's he convicted of, other than being a jackass.
2) He's a patriot, not a raider and IMO never was a raider. He quit on the team.

Even so, He's not done ANYTHING as bad as most of the morons on the league.
Randy Moss' idiot incident...WHILE IN MINN. hardly makes the Raiders 'fond of convicts'.

[Jahn]

Dallas loves the bad boys. Romo's new backup - Vick. And if Romo strains his pinkie again sipping tea from a teacup properly while wooing Jessica Simpson, Vick will get his shot!

Expect his first action to be against the Browns with a very rabid Dawg Pound there to welcome him.

[big mike]

Dallas loves the bad boys. Romo's new backup - Vick. And if Romo strains his pinkie again sipping tea from a teacup properly while wooing Jessica Simpson, Vick will get his shot!

Expect his first action to be against the Browns with a very rabid Dawg Pound there to welcome him.

Now that's funny.

[pickaguitar]

Dallas loves the bad boys. Romo's new backup - Vick. And if Romo strains his pinkie again sipping tea from a teacup properly while wooing Jessica Simpson, Vick will get his shot!

Expect his first action to be against the Browns with a very rabid Dawg Pound there to welcome him.
I'm a huge Cowboy fan and would welcome that :)

[irok660]

Well if the NFL doesnt take him back he can always run for Congress.......

[Gas-man]

1) What's he convicted of, other than being a jackass.


He was convicted of careless driving.

Hey, you asked for a convict and I provided one. :MMM

[Motorhed]

Ummmm....no. These people are not supposed to be role models just because they are in the public eye.
They are supposed to be athletes and promotion tools to sell products and fill seats/sell tickets

You are right but kids still look up to them as role models and alot of times under the encouragement of thier parents. I'm not saying its right but its going to continue to happen. For that I think they should have some accountability and I don't know of any job that would take you right back after being in jail, so I don't see where a pro athlete should be any different.

I know musicians get brought up in this kind of argument but I never looked up a musician as a person, I may admire thier skill at the insturment but the only people I truely look up to as people are my parents.

[Wagster]

I don't see anyone signing Vick.He would be way too much of a distraction to the team.