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Brian D
12-05-2008, 01:15 AM
Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News

Dec. 3, 2008 -- Nearly two pounds of still-green plant material found in a 2,700-year-old grave in the Gobi Desert has just been identified as the world's oldest marijuana stash, according to a paper in the latest issue of the Journal of Experimental Botany.

A barrage of tests proves the marijuana possessed potent psychoactive properties and casts doubt on the theory that the ancients only grew the plant for hemp in order to make clothing, rope and other objects.

They apparently were getting high too.

Lead author Ethan Russo told Discovery News that the marijuana "is quite similar" to what's grown today.

"We know from both the chemical analysis and genetics that it could produce THC (tetrahydrocannabinolic acid synthase, the main psychoactive chemical in the plant)," he explained, adding that no one could feel its effects today, due to decomposition over the millennia.

Russo served as a visiting professor at the Chinese Academy of Sciences Institute of Botany while conducting the study. He and his international team analyzed the cannabis, which was excavated at the Yanghai Tombs near Turpan, China. It was found lightly pounded in a wooden bowl in a leather basket near the head of a blue-eyed Caucasian man who died when he was about 45.

"This individual was buried with an unusual number of high value, rare items," Russo said, mentioning that the objects included a make-up bag, bridles, pots, archery equipment and a kongou harp. The researchers believe the individual was a shaman from the Gushi people, who spoke a now-extinct language called Tocharian that was similar to Celtic.

Scientists originally thought the plant material in the grave was coriander, but microscopic botanical analysis of the bowl contents, along with genetic testing, revealed that it was cannabis.

The size of seeds mixed in with the leaves, along with their color and other characteristics, indicate the marijuana came from a cultivated strain. Before the burial, someone had carefully picked out all of the male plant parts, which are less psychoactive, so Russo and his team believe there is little doubt as to why the cannabis was grown.

What is in question, however, is how the marijuana was administered, since no pipes or other objects associated with smoking were found in the grave.

"Perhaps it was ingested orally," Russo said. "It might also have been fumigated, as the Scythian tribes to the north did subsequently."

Although other cultures in the area used hemp to make various goods as early as 7,000 years ago, additional tomb finds indicate the Gushi fabricated their clothing from wool and made their rope out of reed fibers. The scientists are unsure if the marijuana was grown for more spiritual or medical purposes, but it's evident that the blue-eyed man was buried with a lot of it.

"As with other grave goods, it was traditional to place items needed for the afterlife in the tomb with the departed," Russo said.

The ancient marijuana stash is now housed at Turpan Museum in China. In the future, Russo hopes to conduct further research at the Yanghai site, which has 2,000 other tombs.

Original link: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/12/03/marijuana-stash.html

phretbored
12-05-2008, 01:38 AM
Hey those scientists could cultivate some Jurassic Pot!
A little genetic hemp-gineering and that Gobi strain will be resurrected.

wstsidela
12-05-2008, 01:59 AM
Uuuh, yeah!! How else are you gonna get the cromag babes?

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Raquel-Welch-Photograph-C12106530.jpeg

dave r.
12-05-2008, 03:22 AM
he explained, adding that no one could feel its effects today, due to decomposition over the millennia.
:bongyou know someone must have tried.

ACfixer
12-05-2008, 06:04 AM
Dave's not here man.... :bong

semore butts
12-05-2008, 07:00 AM
We were doing drug interdiction near Del Rio Texas.:bong

I was flying a UH-60 Blackhawk and we were task with transporting a bunch of cocaine.

When we got to the destination and customs came up to the helicopter we all had "donut powder" all over our noses and faces!:crazy

The Customs guys thought it was a riot!:roll:roll:roll

Our major wasn't happy and we got our asses chewed. :argue

The Colonel showed up and the Major told him what we did. When the Colonel saw us he laughed his ass off and chewed out the Major!:Spank

Another successful day in the Warrant Officer Corps! :bow

telecopter
12-05-2008, 07:14 AM
Dang STONER'S! :bong :bong

Phil M
12-05-2008, 07:18 AM
Dude, that's two times you cracked me up today! (the other was in the Satriani thread)

Uuuh, yeah!! How else are you gonna get the cromag babes?

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Raquel-Welch-Photograph-C12106530.jpeg

Gas-man
12-05-2008, 09:15 AM
Typical stoner--hoarding his dubage.

bug0711
12-05-2008, 09:18 AM
http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/N/T/sp902_Die_Hippy_Die.jpg (http://z.about.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/N/T/sp902_Die_Hippy_Die.jpg)

Tuberoast
12-05-2008, 09:51 AM
"Hey dude, are you gonna finish that Yakdog?"

Franklin
12-05-2008, 09:56 AM
Cool story!

pickaguitar
12-05-2008, 10:06 AM
Cool article!

thx

414driver
12-05-2008, 10:08 AM
I knew it!!! Just as a dog is programmed to eat grass when he needs it, we humans have some behaviors ingrained in our DNA! That explains everything!!!

Sunbreak Music
12-05-2008, 10:10 AM
We were doing drug interdiction near Del Rio Texas.:bong

I was flying a UH-60 Blackhawk and we were task with transporting a bunch of cocaine.

When we got to the destination and customs came up to the helicopter we all had "donut powder" all over our noses and faces!:crazy

The Customs guys thought it was a riot!:roll:roll:roll

Our major wasn't happy and we got our asses chewed. :argue

The Colonel showed up and the Major told him what we did. When the Colonel saw us he laughed his ass off and chewed out the Major!:Spank

Another successful day in the Warrant Officer Corps! :bow

:BEER I love that the Army lets WOs fly--very cool.

Chuck Snider
12-05-2008, 10:12 AM
You know were I can get some Purple Gobi?:band

Suproman77
12-05-2008, 10:14 AM
Uuuh, yeah!! How else are you gonna get the cromag babes?

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Raquel-Welch-Photograph-C12106530.jpeg

If only they actually looked that good...they probably looked more like this.

http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa202/guitarerik333/l_0a15e715f36b5305edd1a4bb283a13b1.jpg

fender tele
12-05-2008, 10:16 AM
http://imgdr.massmind.com/media/uploads/massmind/NeandrethalCaveman.png

Phil M
12-05-2008, 10:19 AM
Why Grog have perma-smile?


http://imgdr.massmind.com/media/uploads/massmind/NeandrethalCaveman.png

Scott Miller
12-05-2008, 10:24 AM
I found a bit of leaf in my "Blonde on Blonde" album yesterday. Those gatefolds were good for sorting seeds and stems.

Kentano2000
12-05-2008, 10:32 AM
Typical stoner--hoarding his dubage.

Not hoarding, but the earliest case of "Bogarting"!

414driver
12-05-2008, 11:00 AM
You'd think his pals would have burned it all at his wake!

sergv
12-05-2008, 11:03 AM
The man was lovingly buried with his harp and his stash ... obviously he was a virtuoso of the highest order.

RIP

wstsidela
12-05-2008, 11:17 AM
Dude, that's two times you cracked me up today! (the other was in the Satriani thread)

I get pretty silly on the board.

You'd think his pals would have burned it all at his wake!

...and that's how the drum circle was created.

Structo
12-05-2008, 11:22 AM
I wonder if anybody fired up a bowl?

It would have a aged patina with a slight fruity ambeiance.

Tonefish
12-05-2008, 11:24 AM
Maybe getting high???? Two pounds is one heck of a lot for a personal stash, isn't it?

wstsidela
12-05-2008, 11:29 AM
Maybe getting high???? Two pounds is one heck of a lot for a personal stash, isn't it?

The first THE MAN? LOL!!!!

"Pssst!! Wanna buy something from the dank ages?"

Tonefish
12-05-2008, 11:31 AM
The first THE MAN? LOL!!!!

"Pssst!! Wanna buy something from the dank ages?"

LMAO ....the dank ages!!:roll

mcknigs
12-05-2008, 11:39 AM
"We know from both the chemical analysis and genetics that it could produce THC (tetrahydrocannabinolic acid synthase, the main psychoactive chemical in the plant)," he explained, adding that no one could feel its effects today, due to decomposition over the millennia.


I didn't follow the link. I wonder if there were any seeds and if they would still be viable. That would be an interesting experiment - growing some and seeing how potent it is.

-Scott

dave r.
12-05-2008, 11:45 AM
I didn't follow the link. I wonder if there were any seeds and if they would still be viable. That would be an interesting experiment - growing some and seeing how potent it is.
I'll bet there's a team of college students working diligently on that for their masters thesis.

Brian D
12-05-2008, 11:49 AM
I didn't follow the link. I wonder if there were any seeds and if they would still be viable. That would be an interesting experiment - growing some and seeing how potent it is.

-ScottI added some missing text from the article so my original entry contains all of the information now. Apparently they did find some seeds, but I'm not sure how viable they are.

Man, I'm sitting here in class reading this thread and everybody is wondering why the hell I keep cracking up. You guys are hilarious.

Glenn D.
12-05-2008, 11:50 AM
We were doing drug interdiction near Del Rio Texas.:bong

I was flying a UH-60 Blackhawk and we were task with transporting a bunch of cocaine.

When we got to the destination and customs came up to the helicopter we all had "donut powder" all over our noses and faces!:crazy

The Customs guys thought it was a riot!:roll:roll:roll

Our major wasn't happy and we got our asses chewed. :argue

The Colonel showed up and the Major told him what we did. When the Colonel saw us he laughed his ass off and chewed out the Major!:Spank

Another successful day in the Warrant Officer Corps! :bow

You didn't have to add the last line; it was pretty evident from the rest of the story ;)

Glenn D.

Glenn D.
12-05-2008, 11:52 AM
:BEER I love that the Army lets WOs fly--very cool.

Nearly all of the pilots in the Army are warrant officers. We never begrudged aviators their flight pay.



Now, their base pay... :rolleyes:

Glenn D.

Turbozag
12-05-2008, 11:56 AM
I didn't follow the link. I wonder if there were any seeds and if they would still be viable. That would be an interesting experiment - growing some and seeing how potent it is.
-Scott

Years ago, I read that marijuana seeds were found in Cleopatra's tomb, and they were still viable.

Teleplayer
12-05-2008, 12:02 PM
".....Scientists also found a dozen Twinkies in the 2,700 year old tomb. They were still in their original packaging and had not decomposed. And one research student found a 2,700 year old copy of Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd - it purportedly was an original Master Disc recording."

RL in Fla
12-05-2008, 01:36 PM
I wonder if there were any hieroglyphics on the wall or a papyrus handbill about a Stone Wheels tour ?

pickaguitar
12-05-2008, 01:38 PM
".....Scientists also found a dozen Twinkies in the 2,700 year old tomb. They were still in their original packaging and had not decomposed. And one research student found a 2,700 year old copy of Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd - it purportedly was an original Master Disc recording."
lol

:dude

rhp52
12-05-2008, 05:01 PM
Only a key for eternity??? Dude

chrisr777
12-05-2008, 05:24 PM
I didn't follow the link. I wonder if there were any seeds and if they would still be viable. That would be an interesting experiment - growing some and seeing how potent it is.

-Scott

Dude was a Shaman, like he would have stuff with seeds.

Sheesh.

Ricky_Rockhardo
12-05-2008, 06:08 PM
Dang, do some hits, pass out and they build a tomb around your ass.

Rumblefish
12-05-2008, 09:23 PM
I wonder how they know he had blue eyes?Bet they were blood shot.

baddmann28
12-05-2008, 10:59 PM
That's the name of my next band. Prehistoric cannabis.:band

Motorhed
12-06-2008, 01:22 AM
It was mostly maui wowi but it had some wooly mammoth in it.


You mean we're smokin wooly mammoth chit, man?