The Two Rock Emerald Pro Magic

[Tag]

For 9 years now I have been raving about this amp. No amp that I have seen has stirred up such controversy. Years ago I went on the Dumble quest, and was lucky enough to play many actual Dumbles. Only ONE stood out as being everything I had hoped for, and gave me the tones I heard on the Robben Ford Blue line era CDs. Genes tan Dumble at Ultrasound. Back then, I offered him 15K for that amp, and he refused. I thought he had lost his mind! :huh Luckily, he had just gotten in some new amps from a company named TwoRock. I plugged into one called "Emerald pro", and was instantly FLOORED. Not only could it match that tan Dumbles tones, but gave me BETTER cleans, and reverb and FX loop as well!

Nine years later, and I have played pretty much all of the Dumble clones, and multiple versions of most. To my ear, NOTHING can touch the Emerald Pro for those impossible to get Ford Blue line era tones, and the amp can do so much much more as well. Flip on the mid boost, and its gain, grind city In my not so humble opinion, this is the best channel switching amp ever made. (unless you are into total high gain saturation, and this can kind of do that as well!) I just plugged into mine, and was having the time of my life! There is not another amp made that you can bend a note, hold it, and just listen to the amp whine like this! I just sit here with a huge stupid smile on my face, making strange contortions trying to coak different sounds out of the amp. LOL! It turns the note over like Fords amp does. It strains and strains, but will not let the note go! SO F*UCKING COOL!! :bow On certain notes, it sounds like it has a phase shifter and compressor built in, just as you hear on those old Ford records. The glaswerks,Fuchs, bludos, brown notes, CAs, other TwoRocks and other clones are KILLER amps in their own right, but NOTHING touches the Emmy for that unique, odd, and almost impossible top get tone. I LOVE this amp, and everyone NEEDS to at least get to play through one at some point. Its not everyones bag, but a unique and different flavor amp that sounds like nothing else. I have no affiliation with any builder, and I could care LESS what brand I play or like. WARM,FAT,SMOOTH,SINGING,WOODEN OBOE tones all over the place. :dude:dude:dude:dude:dude

VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!!!

[the_Chris]

Good to see you back Tag! I've liked some of the Two Rocks I've heard, so I'll have to try out an Emerald Pro sometime ;)

[archtopjazz]

Hey Tag,

Are these still available?

Jim

[teleblaster]

It ought to be for the price of these things! How much was it 7000.00 dollars.:huh

[sfarnell]

The guys at TR better brace themselves for a lot of pre-Xmas requests for a re-release of the emmy pro. :D

I was fortunate enough to play one and it is all that Tag reports. There are some available from time to time here in the emporium and on eBay. The price is usally $2200 - 2600.

[splatt]

i'm happy that you're back, t!,
and hope that you're feeling well.
?

For 9 years now I have been raving about this amp. No amp that I have seen has stirred up such controversy.
:huh
well..... it didn't stir that controversy, by itself, dude!
you bought the pot, poured the water,
built the fire,
stoked the flames & stirred that pot,
and will (probably)
always continue to do so!
:)
i'm glad to hear that you're still
enjoying your amp
so thoroughly.

dt / spltrcl

[Tag]

It ought to be for the price of these things! How much was it 7000.00 dollars.:huh

No. They have not been made in many years, and sold for $3300.


Hey Tag,

Are these still available?

Jim

Unforunately, no.

i'm happy that you're back, t!,
and hope that you're feeling well.
?


:huh
well..... it didn't stir that controversy, by itself, dude!
you bought the pot, poured the water,
built the fire,
stoked the flames & stirred that pot,
and will (probably)
always continue to do so!
:)
i'm glad to hear that you're still
enjoying your amp
so thoroughly.

dt / spltrcl

Hey Dave,

Really nice to hear from you again. :) I hope all is well. Next time you play in NY, shoot me an email. I will see you there

[NFB]

There will only be one other amp that will do what the E-PRO can do...........and it's going to be called...............

C-EPROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...................:Dhttp://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon12.gif

[lhallam]

i'm happy that you're back, t!,
and hope that you're feeling well.
?


:huh
well..... it didn't stir that controversy, by itself, dude!
you bought the pot, poured the water,
built the fire,
stoked the flames & stirred that pot,
and will (probably)
always continue to do so!
:)
i'm glad to hear that you're still
enjoying your amp
so thoroughly.

dt / spltrcl


Who is this Tag guy?

He seems to have a strong opinion of this amp.

Tag does Scott Lerner share your opinion?

Hope all is well with you my man.

[Tag]

Tag does Scott Lerner share your opinion?





I doubt he or any other "R&D guy" for Bludo, Glaswerks, Fuchs etc etc would. ;)

[scottl]

Don't forget that I know every single circuit detail and voltage of your Emmy Pro and still have no desire to use those values. So how does my affiliation with a plethora of other companies have any correlation to the fact that I did not prefer the Emmy to my other HRM amps?

In addition, the only material difference between the Emmy and anybody elses HRM non Bluesmaster amp is the 330pf treble cap in the HRM stack and the 50K mid trimmer set to at least 20K from ground. These two $1 parts are 95% of the EMMY od tone. The clean stack is a classic 70s Dumble stack and the V1 has 120K plateloads like Henry Kaisers Dumble. Anything else anybody wants to know?

The 330pf treble cap has a HUGE effect on the tone. The standard cap size is 500pf. The 330pf has a massive effect on reducing gain in the upper mids. This is the oboe sound Tag refers too. When the Glaswerks first was being prototyped, it had a 330pf treble cap there as well. I slaved for months trying stuff to restore upper mid response until I put the 500pf in and instantly preferred it.

Let's not turn this into a pissing match that calls into question peoples ethics and motives. I can only speak for myself when I say that in direct head to head with my stable of amps, there was nothing about the Emmy that I preferred. And I build them. I could easily use any of the Emmy values. So, let's leave it at different strokes for different folks.

I do share your enthusiasm for post OD tonestacks though. That is all I play.


I doubt he or any other "R&D guy" for Bludo, Glaswerks, Fuchs etc etc would. ;)

[splatt]

Really nice to hear from you again. :) I hope all is well. Next time you play in NY, shoot me an email. I will see you there
that may be a while, bruddah, but:
you're on;
drinks on me.
dt / spltrcl

[Rick0]

Tag,

Can't tell you how nice it is to see you back!
As far as Two-Rock, I'm only playing the Emerald Pro. For me, the CR Sig and the others don't have what the E. Pro can deliver. They are awesome in their own right, but I find them to be a bit too polite and smoothed-over compared to our favorite Two-Rock. Newer doesn't always mean better.
Mine is magic and I wouldn't let it go for the world.

RickO

http://rickowens.4t.com/

[marinblues]

Tag,

I appreciate your praise of these amps,

but these are just WORDS....

What about CLIPS?

I want to hear CLIPS!!


It nice to have back, Tag. :)

M.

For 9 years now I have been raving about this amp. No amp that I have seen has stirred up such controversy. Years ago I went on the Dumble quest, and was lucky enough to play many actual Dumbles. Only ONE stood out as being everything I had hoped for, and gave me the tones I heard on the Robben Ford Blue line era CDs. Genes tan Dumble at Ultrasound. Back then, I offered him 15K for that amp, and he refused. I thought he had lost his mind! :huh Luckily, he had just gotten in some new amps from a company named TwoRock. I plugged into one called "Emerald pro", and was instantly FLOORED. Not only could it match that tan Dumbles tones, but gave me BETTER cleans, and reverb and FX loop as well!

Nine years later, and I have played pretty much all of the Dumble clones, and multiple versions of most. To my ear, NOTHING can touch the Emerald Pro for those impossible to get Ford Blue line era tones, and the amp can do so much much more as well. Flip on the mid boost, and its gain, grind city In my not so humble opinion, this is the best channel switching amp ever made. (unless you are into total high gain saturation, and this can kind of do that as well!) I just plugged into mine, and was having the time of my life! There is not another amp made that you can bend a note, hold it, and just listen to the amp whine like this! I just sit here with a huge stupid smile on my face, making strange contortions trying to coak different sounds out of the amp. LOL! It turns the note over like Fords amp does. It strains and strains, but will not let the note go! SO F*UCKING COOL!! :bow On certain notes, it sounds like it has a phase shifter and compressor built in, just as you hear on those old Ford records. The glaswerks,Fuchs, bludos, brown notes, CAs, other TwoRocks and other clones are KILLER amps in their own right, but NOTHING touches the Emmy for that unique, odd, and almost impossible top get tone. I LOVE this amp, and everyone NEEDS to at least get to play through one at some point. Its not everyones bag, but a unique and different flavor amp that sounds like nothing else. I have no affiliation with any builder, and I could care LESS what brand I play or like. WARM,FAT,SMOOTH,SINGING,WOODEN OBOE tones all over the place. :dude:dude:dude:dude:dude

VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!!!

[Tag]

[quote]Don't forget that I know every single circuit detail and voltage of your Emmy Pro and still have no desire to use those values.

Scott, that is your mistake. After playing all of these clones, you must know by now that its way more than values and voltages. The brand of parts and transformers alone make a HUGE difference in tone. Try an E.Pro with the Black transformers and silver ones for instance. TOTALLY different sounding amps. This is the mistake I made when I thought it was only high and low gain that made all the tonal differences in the E.Pros. Then try a Topaz next to an Emerald pro. SAME circuit supposedly, but different brands of parts and different transformers. TOTALLY different sounding amp.



So how does my affiliation with a plethora of other companies have any correlation to the fact that I did not prefer the Emmy to my other HRM amps?

In addition, the only material difference between the Emmy and anybody elses HRM non Bluesmaster amp is the 330pf treble cap in the HRM stack and the 50K mid trimmer set to at least 20K from ground. These two $1 parts are 95% of the EMMY od tone. The clean stack is a classic 70s Dumble stack and the V1 has 120K plateloads like Henry Kaisers Dumble. Anything else anybody wants to know?

The 330pf treble cap has a HUGE effect on the tone. The standard cap size is 500pf. The 330pf has a massive effect on reducing gain in the upper mids. This is the oboe sound Tag refers too. When the Glaswerks first was being prototyped, it had a 330pf treble cap there as well. I slaved for months trying stuff to restore upper mid response until I put the 500pf in and instantly preferred it.


Scott, when you and I played your glaswerks next to each other, you heard exactly the straining I was talking about, and did the EXACT same thing Barry did with his Glaswerks.. reach over and turn the volume almost all the way up on the Glaswerks to try and match the E.Pros straining...with no luck.

Direct A/B clips Glaswerks,E.Pro It is ALL OVER these clips for anyone to hear. This is dead on how the two sound in person, and dead on with how they compared at the amp show. The E.Pro is FAR smoother and strainier. No comparison.

E.Pro http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=6305325&q=hi&newref=1


Glaswerks. http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=6431894&q=hi&newref=1

[Tag]

Tag,

I appreciate your praise of these amps,

but these are just WORDS....

What about CLIPS?

I want to hear CLIPS!!


It nice to have back, Tag. :)

M.


Thanks man!! See above! I ALWAYS back it up babe. :AOK;)

[marinblues]

Thanks man!! See above! I ALWAYS back it up babe. :AOK;)

Great creamy tone on that E-Pro clip. Which guitar (and pickups) did you use to record that?


M.

[Blueser]

[quote=scottl;5140363]

Scott, that is your mistake. After playing all of these clones, you must know by now that its way more than values and voltages. The brand of parts and transformers alone make a HUGE difference in tone. Try an E.Pro with the Black transformers and silver ones for instance. TOTALLY different sounding amps. This is the mistake I made when I thought it was only high and low gain that made all the tonal differences in the E.Pros. Then try a Topaz next to an Emerald pro. SAME circuit supposedly, but different brands of parts and different transformers. TOTALLY different sounding amp.




Scott, when you and I played your glaswerks next to each other, you heard exactly the straining I was talking about, and did the EXACT same thing Barry did with his Glaswerks.. reach over and turn the volume almost all the way up on the Glaswerks to try and match the E.Pros straining...with no luck.

Direct A/B clips Glaswerks,E.Pro It is ALL OVER these clips for anyone to hear. This is dead on how the two sound in person, and dead on with how they compared at the amp show. The E.Pro is FAR smoother and strainier. No comparison.

E.Pro http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=6305325&q=hi&newref=1


Glaswerks. http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=6431894&q=hi&newref=1


Nice tone on both. I thought the Glaswerks was more aggressive, but also had more harmonic complexity to it. The E.Pro was smoother and darker. I am not really a Dumble guy, but the Glaswerks sounds like it can do some great straight up rock tones as well.

[Bigtone]

Blueser , with all due respect, there are a tons of amps that IMHO rock out
with that classic complex topend thing going on better than these Dumble clones, Komet, Matchless, Elmwood, on and on endless....
But that RF poli or worried life blues tone is elusive to say the least,rare as hens teeth,
There are so many clones that do the more open sounding chirpy thing,also.
Bigtone

[lhallam]

[quote=scottl;5140363]

Scott, that is your mistake. After playing all of these clones, you must know by now that its way more than values and voltages. The brand of parts and transformers alone make a HUGE difference in tone. Try an E.Pro with the Black transformers and silver ones for instance. TOTALLY different sounding amps. This is the mistake I made when I thought it was only high and low gain that made all the tonal differences in the E.Pros. Then try a Topaz next to an Emerald pro. SAME circuit supposedly, but different brands of parts and different transformers. TOTALLY different sounding amp.




Scott, when you and I played your glaswerks next to each other, you heard exactly the straining I was talking about, and did the EXACT same thing Barry did with his Glaswerks.. reach over and turn the volume almost all the way up on the Glaswerks to try and match the E.Pros straining...with no luck.

Direct A/B clips Glaswerks,E.Pro It is ALL OVER these clips for anyone to hear. This is dead on how the two sound in person, and dead on with how they compared at the amp show. The E.Pro is FAR smoother and strainier. No comparison.

E.Pro http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=6305325&q=hi&newref=1


Glaswerks. http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=6431894&q=hi&newref=1


Gotta say I prefer the glaswerks as it has more articulation.

Also gotta say that I don't think it's real fair of you to insuate Scott is going to prefer an amp for reasons stated.

He was working on another model when he discovered Glaswerks, so it seems pretty obvious that his afffiliations don't entirely affect his decisions.

[Tag]

Great creamy tone on that E-Pro clip. Which guitar (and pickups) did you use to record that?


M.

PRS Artist III semi hollow with trem...stock PRS dragon II pickups. My favorite electric guitar.

[Blueser]

Blueser , with all due respect, there are a tons of amps that IMHO rock out
with that classic complex topend thing going on better than these Dumble clones, Komet, Matchless, Elmwood, on and on endless....
But that RF poli or worried life blues tone is elusive to say the least,rare as hens teeth,
There are so many clones that do the more open sounding chirpy thing,also.
Bigtone

Yes.....I get all that. I was merely stating what I heard in the clips. I am really not a Dumble guy, or a big Robben fan, so capturing that elusive tone is not something I strive for, though I appreciate it for what it is.

As "simple" as it may be to achieve, I still prefer that chirpy top end tone. It's all subjective, but all good. I own a Komet, so I know what it's capable of. The Soldano SLO is also capable of those harmonically juicy tones. One of the best, in fact.

Whatever your poison, enjoy it!

B

[NFB]

Have you played TAG's E-Pro, or one like it?


I own one that is very similar, not a clone.......and luv it....

Tag does not BSSSSSSSSSSSSS........all fact and no bull....best adviser on TGP.

Pic below:
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/Interferon/IMG_7978.jpg

[Tag]

[quote=Tag;5140468]


Nice tone on both. I thought the Glaswerks was more aggressive, but also had more harmonic complexity to it. The E.Pro was smoother and darker. I am not really a Dumble guy, but the Glaswerks sounds like it can do some great straight up rock tones as well.


Without a doubt, if you are into AC/DC type of tones, and more cruch power chord trebly types of tones, the Glaswewrks and Bludos are better than the E.Pro. The E.Pro is all about smooth, thich, singing, wooden flute types of tones, BUT, with the mid switch flipped up, can become a BEAST. Here is a clip of the LOW GAIN E.Pro doing the intro to Unchained. WICKED!!!!


http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=1554401&q=hi&newref=1

And here is that same amp and cab set for smoother Robben Ford type tones, into the same Cab with same guitar! NO EFFECTS! INCREDIBLE!! here that phasey sound?

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=1503236&q=hi&newref=1

[lv]

No amp that I have seen has stirred up such controversy.

I think it's awesome that you think the amp did it. You could replace "Emerald Pro" with your favorite brand of fried chicken and the controversy would be the same.

How do I get the text in my posts to be all red? It really stands out :)

Welcome back buddy.

[Tag]

SORRY!! As to not mislead anyone, the Unchained clip was les paul, the smoother second clip was a Guild Starfire IV. I have it listed here on my computer. Sorry for the mistake! Same cab though with G12h30 speakers. The main difference is mid boost on in the unchained clip, off in the smooth second clip.

[Tag]

Blueser , with all due respect, there are a tons of amps that IMHO rock out
with that classic complex topend thing going on better than these Dumble clones, Komet, Matchless, Elmwood, on and on endless....
But that RF poli or worried life blues tone is elusive to say the least,rare as hens teeth,
There are so many clones that do the more open sounding chirpy thing,also.
Bigtone


Dead on the money post.

[Tag]

[quote=Tag;5140468]


Gotta say I prefer the glaswerks as it has more articulation.

Also gotta say that I don't think it's real fair of you to insuate Scott is going to prefer an amp for reasons stated.

He was working on another model when he discovered Glaswerks, so it seems pretty obvious that his afffiliations don't entirely affect his decisions.

I feel someone with any ties to any company has a built in bias. That is my feelings only. You can feel and think whatever you like. I love Scott, and he is one of my favorite players, and a good friend. However, I call it as I see it. He is welcome to do the same to me. I have come right out and let Barry Weber do as much as video tape me admitting the Glaswerks smoked my Sig 2 after I raved about it, so you KNOW I am being dead honest. I bought the sig 2 breaking my own rule of buying without another amp to compare it with that I was familiar with, and I paid the price. After attending the amp show and seeing the cliques and biases first hand, my mind is made up on the entire Dumble clone thing. "I" will trust no one other than my own ears, or someone with NO TIES or who is not friends with any builder or any amp company.

[Tag]

I own a Komet, so I know what it's capable of. The Soldano SLO is also capable of those harmonically juicy tones. One of the best, in fact.

B
With that background, if you asked me what amp in Dumble land you would enjoy the most, I would tell you a Bludo,Glaswerks or twoRock Type 1. The E.Pro is NOT the amp for you!!!!!

[LSchefman]

Hey Tag, good to see ya!

Tag gave me a lot of incentive to try TRs, even though I didn't go with the E.Pro. I'm told that some of the newer models of TR hark back to that E.Pro sound.

I'm happy with the CR Sig, and with the Onyx models before that, so I'm a TR fan anyhow.

[ericb]

I think it's awesome that you think the amp did it. You could replace "Emerald Pro" with your favorite brand of fried chicken and the controversy would be the same.

How do I get the text in my posts to be all red? It really stands out :)

Welcome back buddy.


That was 1 of the best posts ever Lou!!!!!!! Definitely not the amp that's anything controversial! Just use the text editor above btw

ERIC

[bluesdoc]

Hi Tag. Welcome back, old friend. :)

jon

[jimfog]

It's
Groundhog Day!!!!!!!!!

[NFB]

It's
Groundhog Day!!!!!!!!!



Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......by Mr. Dryperbole!

[TNJ]

Howdy Tag.
Nice to see you back.
Nobody sticks to their guns like you!

Now...try to keep it cool, bro.
Love to see ya hang for a good while.

:cool:

S.
j


ps
I have a CR Sig v.1 coming.
I'll post about it after I've put her through some paces.

[Ayan]

VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!!!

Welcome back, Tag! I will start hanging out at this board again as this place is simply not the same without you. Keep it legal and tell us some more about the Em Pro. :D Good to have you back aboard, pal.

Coolness,

Gil

[Sean French]

Tag,I always thought a certain clip you did of Ploi with the Sig2 repesented the Poli tone better than the E-Pro.:D
In your clips anyway.
Remember,Robben was playin' a 335 with the tone pot rolled off quite a bit.;)

[Tag]

I own one that is very similar, not a clone.......and luv it....

Tag does not BSSSSSSSSSSSSS........all fact and no bull....best adviser on TGP.

Pic below:
http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/Interferon/IMG_7978.jpg

Hey does your have the silver or black trannies? If it has the silver, do you want to sell it to me?? (I am serious)

[Tag]

that may be a while, bruddah, but:
you're on;
drinks on me.
dt / spltrcl


VERY cool Dave. I cant wait! :)

Tag,

Can't tell you how nice it is to see you back!
As far as Two-Rock, I'm only playing the Emerald Pro. For me, the CR Sig and the others don't have what the E. Pro can deliver. Newer doesn't always mean better.
Mine is magic and I wouldn't let it go for the world.

RickO

http://rickowens.4t.com/


VERY GOOD!!! Do you have the silver or black trannies? Thanks!

[Sean French]

Tag,I know where your first Emmy Pro is.:D

[Tag]

I think it's awesome that you think the amp did it. You could replace "Emerald Pro" with your favorite brand of fried chicken and the controversy would be the same.

How do I get the text in my posts to be all red? It really stands out :)

Welcome back buddy.

hey Lou, Great to see you again, and glad you are digging the Glaswerks. I love mine as well. KILLER amp! I love the way the boost and mid boosts are very mild, and you can get so many usable tones out of both channels. What a great live amp! Almost like having 6 channels! :eek:

[Jason Carter]

Tag,I always thought a certain clip you did of Ploi with the Sig2 repesented the Poli tone better than the E-Pro.:D
In your clips anyway.
Remember,Robben was playin' a 335 with the tone pot rolled off quite a bit.;)

Sean,

Did Robben really use a 335 during the mystic mile session?

[Tag]

Tag,I know where your first Emmy is.:D

LOL!! he contacted me, and I asked him 3 times to sell it back to me with no luck. :puh He STILL will not send it to TwoRock, and said he has to smack the side of the amp to get it to work!!!!!!!:eek: he loves it just the way it is. If he only knew how much better it could sound! :huh

[Tag]

Hey Tag, good to see ya!

Tag gave me a lot of incentive to try TRs, even though I didn't go with the E.Pro. I'm told that some of the newer models of TR hark back to that E.Pro sound.

I'm happy with the CR Sig, and with the Onyx models before that, so I'm a TR fan anyhow.


Hey Les, you and Chuck have me HURTING to try an Onyx now! hard to find them around here. I do not think Ultrasound ever had one.

[Tag]

Welcome back, Tag! I will start hanging out at this board again as this place is simply not the same without you. Keep it legal and tell us some more about the Em Pro. :D Good to have you back aboard, pal.

Coolness,

Gil

GIL my main Dumble man! :bow

NOW this place is shaping up again!!

[Sean French]

Sean,

Did Robben really use a 335 during the mystic mile session?


I wasn't there but,this is what I've heard.
He was goin' for the Clapton Cream era tone on that track for sure.

[Tag]

Sean,

Did Robben really use a 335 during the mystic mile session?

It sounds like the Ford fender model to me. I saw him live at that time, and thats what he was using. It sounded just like that CD. Who knows though. I was just mixed up betwen a Les paul and a guild Starfire I used on two of my clips. :crazy

[Sean French]

LOL!! he contacted me, and I asked him 3 times to sell it back to me with no luck. :puh He STILL will not send it to TwoRock, and said he has to smack the side of the amp to get it to work!!!!!!!:eek: he loves it just the way it is. If he only knew how much better it could sound! :huh


It wasn't acting up like that when I had it.He is being lazy not sending it to Bill for a tune up.lol
I keep telling him that.
It never had any issues in my hands once I cleaned the loop jacks.

[Tag]

I wasn't there but,this is what I've heard.
He was goin' for the Clapton Cream era tone on that track for sure.

I have a line on a CA OD2. man I would love to pick it up, but I just spend a FORTUNE on 2 guitars. I am selling almost everything I have to fund them. (No, not the emmy!) :AOK

[Sean French]

I have a line on a CA OD2. man I would love to pick it up, but I just spend a FORTUNE on 2 guitars. I am selling almost everything I have to fund them. (No, not the emmy!) :AOK


Do it!!
Well,once you have an OD-2 right next to the Emmy you may just have a change of heart about keeping the Emmy.:D:rotflmao

[Jason Carter]

I wasn't there but,this is what I've heard.
He was goin' for the Clapton Cream era tone on that track for sure.


I wish Robben would let David Grissom produce another album for him. The Mystic Mile album has some great tunes and tones for sure.

[Rod]

Tag......Welcome!....You're back......Hear you've been practicing....[not that you needed to..]

[Sean French]

I wish Robben would let David Grissom produce another album for him. The Mystic Mile album has some great tunes and tones for sure.


Don't think DG produced Mystic Mile.Think it was The Blue Line who produced it.
Grissom played some cool stuf on the album though.
He Don't Play Nothin' But The Blues riff and rhythm DG played are killer.:dude

[Strat]

Well each to his own tag. Nice to see you around again and what a way to get back into it. Just couldn't leave well enough alone could you...

I used an e-pro for awhile years ago, liked it then but it would never work for me now as I just can't warm up to that style of guitar and sound anymore. I did latch on to a CA last year for a few months while it's owner was on tour and I haven't heard anything finer for that style amp but I don't play like you. I'm glad it works for you though. Best for everyone ? C'mon........why start it all up again ?

[Rick0]

VERY GOOD!!! Do you have the silver or black trannies? Thanks!

I have a early one with the white chicken head knobs, (serial number 239). The trannies are...SILVER!


http://rickowens.4t.com/

[Tag]

I have a early one with the white chicken head knobs, (serial number 239). The trannies are...SILVER!


http://rickowens.4t.com/

Wanna sell it? :) I think thats what makes your more rocked out that mine. The one with the silver transformers I played at Ultrasound was not as smooth as the black transformered one I have now. However,the low gainer I sold had the silver transformers and it was smooth as glass. I want one of each! :AOK:dude:AOK

[Tag]

Best for everyone ? C'mon........why start it all up again ?

:jo Quote me where I said the emerald pro was the best amp for everyone.... I am waiting.........

[sanhozay]

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/751/751602/rocky-balboa-steps-dog_1166560005.jpg

[jda]

Welcome back Tag!

[Steve Snider]

Welcome back to Tag.!!! Been way too long. I think I was banned twice in the time you have been gone!

[Tag]

Welcome back Tag!

Welcome back to Tag.!!! Been way too long. I think I was banned twice in the time you have been gone!

Thanks guys!
yea, I think I was gone for almost 8 months this time. My record was a year though. :p

[omarxx]

Glad to see you back, Tag. I bought my Emerald Pro, used, over 5 years ago partly on your recommendation and I haven't been disappointed. Mine has a silver colored output transformer and the power transformer looks like its been painted dark green.

- omar

[Tag]

Welcome back to Tag.!!! Been way too long. I think I was banned twice in the time you have been gone!
Steve,

Know anyone with a stock E.Pro with silver transformrs they want to sell? I am looking for one. Thanks!

[Tag]

Glad to see you back, Tag. I bought my Emerald Pro, used, over 5 years ago partly on your recommendation and I haven't been disappointed. Mine has a silver colored output transformer and the power transformer looks like its been painted dark green.

- omar

Want to sell it?

[riffmeister]

I prefer French Horn tones.

;)

[Steve Snider]

Tag,

They come and go. They sure do sound good and for what they do, nothing sounds like them. I remember when they first came out. I sold a whole bunch and owned a bunch. Wish I still had one to add to the stash o' cool amps. I will keep you posted if I see one FS with the silver tranny.

[Simto]

Since i live in Denmark, i rarely have a chance to try out a Two-Rock (if i'm lucky i can find one when i'm in England)

And i was wondering, how to Emerald Pro compares to the Sig. Reverb 2? Does the Emerald have more gain or is it just "the same amp" with different breand of components like you said Tag.

This thread is starting my Two-Rock gas again..

[NFB]

Hey does your have the silver or black trannies? If it has the silver, do you want to sell it to me?? (I am serious)

I will look this afternoon............family morning........got to take care of the kids....but honestly Tag I really do not want to sell it.

We shall talk later..

[Tag]

Can an E-Pro sound like this?

http://www.pebbleman.co.za/ricker/Blues%20at%20Night%20Solo.mp3


No, that is to compressed. Sounds like a distortion box.

[Tag]

Since i live in Denmark, i rarely have a chance to try out a Two-Rock (if i'm lucky i can find one when i'm in England)

And i was wondering, how to Emerald Pro compares to the Sig. Reverb 2? Does the Emerald have more gain or is it just "the same amp" with different breand of components like you said Tag.

This thread is starting my Two-Rock gas again..


Totally different sounding amps. The sigs are not HRM. They do not have that straining, smooth tubey tone. An HRM is needed for that. (post overdrive tone stack) I have been saying from way back that two rock was moving backwards when they went from HRM to non HRM amps. Look at Dumble himslef. He went from non HRM to HRM himself, and all of the other builders seem to be going the HRM route as well. IMO, it is a superior design. Without an HRM, you simply can not get enough treble in the overdrive without it being buzzy, or bottom end without it being flubby. For ME, an HRM is a MUST.

[Tag]

Tag,

They come and go. They sure do sound good and for what they do, nothing sounds like them. I remember when they first came out. I sold a whole bunch and owned a bunch. Wish I still had one to add to the stash o' cool amps. I will keep you posted if I see one FS with the silver tranny.

Thnaks Steve! Keep me posted. I would LOVE to have one of each.

[Rick0]

Wanna sell it? :) I think thats what makes your more rocked out that mine. The one with the silver transformers I played at Ultrasound was not as smooth as the black transformered one I have now. However,the low gainer I sold had the silver transformers and it was smooth as glass. I want one of each! :AOK:dude:AOK

Sorry Tag, but I really could not ever part with the amp. Hope that you can find one. I love mine, (especially running through Fane alnicos or TT paper alnicos with a good delay in the loop).

[Simto]

I don't know if i got this wrong, but is HRM the treble pots?

[Tag]

Sorry Tag, but I really could not ever part with the amp. Hope that you can find one. I love mine, (especially running through Fane alnicos or TT paper alnicos with a good delay in the loop).


I hear you Rick. The first thing I do every morning is kick myself in the arse for selling my other low gain, silver transformer one. :( It had a shorting problem I was unaware of, and was making it hollow sounding with less bass. I did not realize it until I sold it, and went and played another a year later.

[Tag]

I don't know if i got this wrong, but is HRM the treble pots?
HRM is post over drive tone stack. You have a bass, middle and treble control that is in the lead channel. (Inside the amp. You adjust it one time to your liking and are done with it)

[Simto]

Ok cool, so it's an internal EQ you set. After you've set the HRM, you can then use the external EQ's to further tweak it, that's pretty cool.

[NFB]

Tag,

Running the TC-2290 through the loop is stunning w/ the E-PRO.......http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon10.gif

Have you had the opportunity to experience the TC-2290 in the loop?

[Tag]

Ok cool, so it's an internal EQ you set. After you've set the HRM, you can then use the external EQ's to further tweak it, that's pretty cool.

Thats right, plus there is an internal gain adjust for the lead channel. You set that to where you have the MOST gain you would ever use, and leave it there. Then you have the external gain controls as usual.

[Tag]

Tag,

Running the TC-2290 through the loop is stunning w/ the E-PRO.......http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon10.gif

Have you had the opportunity to experience the TC-2290 in the loop?


No, and I NEED one of those!! Wanna sell it?http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon10.gif I cant IMAGINE ho great the Emmy would sound with that baby in the emmys killer loop!!! :banana

[bjjp2]

I have an Em Pro. Where are the internal trimmers? The manual says nothing about this. Tag, how do you reccmmend setting them?

Also, there are two transformers. Which one is the Power transformer?

Thanks.

[omarxx]

Want to sell it?

Not in the foreseeable future. Thanks anyway.

[Rick0]

Tag,

Running the TC-2290 through the loop is stunning w/ the E-PRO.......http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon10.gif

Have you had the opportunity to experience the TC-2290 in the loop?

The 2290 is what I use with the E. Pro and it is indeed stunning. However, the less costly Lexicon MPX-1 and even an old DeltaLab Effectron III sound great in the loop of an Emerald Pro, (TC 2290 is King though).

http://rickowens.4t.com/

[NFB]

The 2290 is what I use with the E. Pro and it is indeed stunning. However, the less costly Lexicon MPX-1 and even an old DeltaLab Effectron III sound great in the loop of an Emerald Pro, (TC 2290 is King though).

http://rickowens.4t.com/


Rick,

I tried everything under the sun............Mr. Lerner sold me.............. finally broke down and bought one...........it did cost me an arm and a leg.....but now I understand what all the fuss is about..........

Thanks again :bowMr. Lerner for making broke............but happy:dude!

When are you going to sell me your Bludo........rather quiet lately.....where are you..........your missing a hell of show?

[traviswalk]

Sorry Tag, won't let it go...and I'm even in nearby Jersey!! I freakin love this thing and have been wearing it out since I got it.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_1105.jpg?t=1228707433 (javascript:void(0);)

[les]

Don't forget that I know every single circuit detail and voltage of your Emmy Pro and still have no desire to use those values. So how does my affiliation with a plethora of other companies have any correlation to the fact that I did not prefer the Emmy to my other HRM amps?

Let's not turn this into a pissing match that calls into question peoples ethics and motives. I can only speak for myself when I say that in direct head to head with my stable of amps, there was nothing about the Emmy that I preferred. And I build them. I could easily use any of the Emmy values. So, let's leave it at different strokes for different folks.

I do share your enthusiasm for post OD tonestacks though. That is all I play.

I'm gonna support Scott here. Let's not go back to the gutter here and start questioning peoples ethics here. Scott is very opinated, but he has also offered his time, his knowledge and home!

[joel]

It's no wonder youz guyz can't agree on some cap value for the Epro, since it's really the Opal that's got the TONE!

Welcome back, TAG! But I think you're wrong... about something... Maybe the brand of strings you use... In any case, I'm sure your chops have improved since not wasting time here for a while!

[Tag]

I'm gonna support Scott here. Let's not go back to the gutter here and start questioning peoples ethics here. Scott is very opinated, but he has also offered his time, his knowledge and home!

Gutter?? Scotts great, I love the guy. The fact is he has done work for Bludo, Fuchs, and Glaswerks. If that does not make you think it effects his opinion of other brands, that is your choice. It is not just Scott, its ANY builder, or anyone who is friends with, or works for a builder. Its all over this place, and it makes ME take anything they say about other amps with a monsterous grain of salt. You do not have to. I have been acused of it with both Bruno and twoRock. The fact is I have never had, or have any connections with any amp or guitar company. This does not mean my opinions will be shared by everyone, which is why I try and post clips, and comparison clips of everything I have, so you can hear for yourself how, and why I draw the conclusions I do. You can then judge with your own ears. :AOK

[Tag]

Sorry Tag, won't let it go...and I'm even in nearby Jersey!! I freakin love this thing and have been wearing it out since I got it.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_1105.jpg?t=1228707433 (http://javascript<b></b>:void(0);)

DAMN!! Oh well, I told you so! :AOK:dude

Well, I know why no one wants to sell these things. Its a one word answer. ....

:banana:banana:bananaTONE!!!:banana:banana:banana

By the way, where did you get the cool TwoRocK logo? It looks KILLER!! I need to send my amp off to them to have it reboxed, and the few mods made to the switches.

[BudLite]

Welcome back Tag....just in time for Christmas...Lovin my Emerald Pro, Great Amp!!!
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/BFDR/Image076.jpg

[Randy]

Here's mine - in custom grey leather headshell...

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/RufusLeaking/IMG_1630.jpg


You guys are making me want a new logo for the front now...!

[traviswalk]

Just as you said Tag, the head shell the amp intially came in was all beat up, I even think it had one of the Ultrasound drills put in the side so they could mount it up. So with the new headshell came the new logo, etc. Not to boast, but it does look good doesn't it?!?!

[les]

It is not just Scott, its ANY builder, or anyone who is friends with, or works for a builder. Its all over this place, and it makes ME take anything they say about other amps with a monsterous grain of salt.

I agree that you are not friends with any of the builders! LOL

[shallbe]

Welcome back Tag.

I hope you can keep you enthusiasm and passion in check long enough to stick around for a while. I missed your last exit, it happened so fast. I wasn't sure you would ever be back, you were gone so long.

Anyway, glad you have found the amp for you. I did the same 2 years ago, and it is great to not even think about it any more.

[Structo]

Welcome back Tag....just in time for Christmas...Lovin my Emerald Pro, Great Amp!!!
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/BFDR/Image076.jpg


That is an interesting amp stand.
What is it and where can I get one?

I have one sort of like it but it is for a combo only so it tilts back.
That one appears to have a level for the amp head. Looks cool!

[ChickenLover]

Why is the amp no longer available? Was it replaced with a 'new' or 'upgraded' version...or just eliminated?

Over the years on this intarweb I've sort of come to a similar place as Tag in that I just can't trust much of anything I read on the net. I've gotta hear it myself...hopefully with some quality time to really get to know it. Lots of amps make me smile when I plug in...but only a few keep me smiling much later and listening/playing it for myself is the only way to know.

'Nuther question: What years were these amps made?

[Tag]

Just as you said Tag, the head shell the amp intially came in was all beat up, I even think it had one of the Ultrasound drills put in the side so they could mount it up. So with the new headshell came the new logo, etc. Not to boast, but it does look good doesn't it?!?!


:AOK It looks KILLER!!

[Tag]

Here's mine - in custom grey leather headshell...

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m174/RufusLeaking/IMG_1630.jpg


You guys are making me want a new logo for the front now...!


STUNNING!!! I think I want mine in white. VERY GOOD!!

[Tag]

Why is the amp no longer available? Was it replaced with a 'new' or 'upgraded' version...or just eliminated?




They stopped making them after concentrating on the non HRM Custom series amps. :puh (HRM amps have a post overdrive tone stack)

[BudLite]

That is an interesting amp stand.
What is it and where can I get one?

I have one sort of like it but it is for a combo only so it tilts back.
That one appears to have a level for the amp head. Looks cool!


Here you go... http://www.zzounds.com/item--MUPRS7000

[jspax7]

The first E.Pro I played was that Grey Leather amp, the second (the one I owned) was the one Bud Lite now owns. Small world...

Glad to hear that you guys are diggin' your amps.

Once again, welcome back Tag! How's that Glaswerks workin' for you?

[Tag]

The first E.Pro I played was that Grey Leather amp, the second (the one I owned) was the one Bud Lite now owns. Small world...

Glad to hear that you guys are diggin' your amps.

Once again, welcome back Tag! How's that Glaswerks workin' for you?



Great amp! So flexable. Bringing it over to Brads house tomorrow to compare side by side with a CA OD2. Should be interesting! :) I LOVED the CA when I played it a Lark street, and its the same one!

[BudLite]

The first E.Pro I played was that Grey Leather amp, the second (the one I owned) was the one Bud Lite now owns. Small world...

Glad to hear that you guys are diggin' your amps.

Once again, welcome back Tag! How's that Glaswerks workin' for you?


Actually the one you owned, Travis now owns and it has a new output tranny that TR replaced. You should hear it now with the new tranny....The one I have I bought from another forum member. I could not afford to keep both Emmy's or I probably would have.
I do still have the old head enclosure.

[ChickenLover]

Don't wanna hijack too much but the linked amp stand doesn't look like the one in the pic with the TR. The one in the TR pic looks like it has two 'levels' and the speaker cab is tilted back but the amp head isn't.

FWIW (Structo), I've used one of those amp stands like in that link with a 2x12 cab plus Marshall-100W-size amp head. I just cut some appropriate diameter PVC piping to the right length and slid them over the 'vertical' brackets at the back. The speaker cabinet holds the PVC pipes in place. The PVC pipes give the amp head something to rest against so it doesn't slide off. From the front you can't even see the PVC pipes.

[traviswalk]

Yes BudLite and jspax, I love that Emmy Pro that has worked its way around the forum, glad to keep it in the family. I have played this head A LOT this year and it still amazes me the variety of tones I can get with a variety of guitars. My most recent passion is using my Tele with it. Seemed to have brought out a whole new range of tones given the low output nature of the pickups and then not using as much of the gain on the amp. Really great stuff.

[BudLite]

Don't wanna hijack too much but the linked amp stand doesn't look like the one in the pic with the TR. The one in the TR pic looks like it has two 'levels' and the speaker cab is tilted back but the amp head isn't.

FWIW (Structo), I've used one of those amp stands like in that link with a 2x12 cab plus Marshall-100W-size amp head. I just cut some appropriate diameter PVC piping to the right length and slid them over the 'vertical' brackets at the back. The speaker cabinet holds the PVC pipes in place. The PVC pipes give the amp head something to rest against so it doesn't slide off. From the front you can't even see the PVC pipes.



It's the same stand, I think...I bought mine at guitar centar
check these pic's

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/BFDR/tr1.jpg


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/BFDR/tr3.jpg

[ChickenLover]

Ah...so the speaker cab is leaning against the lower portion of the stand and the stand is just holding the head.

Actually the one you owned, Travis now owns and...
In an old band I was in there was this red Strat that both guitar players had owned...plus the bass player had owned it...plus an ex-guitar player in the band had owned it. We all just called it the red whore.:D

[NFB]

It's the same stand, I think...I bought mine at guitar centar
check these pic's

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/BFDR/tr1.jpg


http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k11/BFDR/tr3.jpg

Bigtone,

Utterly Disgustingly Gorgeous!http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon10.gif

[Tag]

Man, you guys are making my Emmy look OLD. However, plugging it in and listening to that baby scream makes me forget all about the cosmetics! Come on guys, post some more clips of these things!! Best Dumble style amp ever made! :AOK:AOK:AOK

[DrSax]

great to see you back, Tag!!!!!!!!!

[Tag]

great to see you back, Tag!!!!!!!!!


Thanks Doc!!! :)

[NFB]

Man, you guys are making my Emmy look OLD. However, plugging it in and listening to that baby scream makes me forget all about the cosmetics! Come on guys, post some more clips of these things!! Best Dumble style amp ever made! :AOK:AOK:AOK

Tag.............I wish I had your chops...........much easier buying equipment and pretending I am you..........http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon12.gif

All I can say Thank God you are Back!

[Tag]

Scary. :worried

TAG - I've seen the movie, this guy's coming to get you, keep your address a secret. :D


Lol! :hide


Going to compare a Glaswerks and CA today. Report back with results later.

VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD!!

[DOMINIC]

Interested in what you guys think of the Emmy Pro today? Still loving it?

[Tag]

Interested in what you guys think of the Emmy Pro today? Still loving it?

Yes. One of the most unique, and flat out coolest amps ever made. The smoothest amp in overdrive I have ever played, and still the strain king. Actually does a few Dumble qualitys better than my Dumble. Amazing amp. Killer reverb, great loop.....What more can you say?

[DOMINIC]

Yes. One of the most unique, and flat out coolest amps ever made. The smoothest amp in overdrive I have ever played, and still the strain king. Actually does a few Dumble qualitys better than my Dumble. Amazing amp. Killer reverb, great loop.....What more can you say?

I'm thinking about getting one.. That's great!

[rhp52]

I'm glad I've got mine, very versatile. I bought it a couple years ago and it has kept me satisfied. the only thing that is a negative, if you can call it that, is trying to find Jan Phillips 7591's. I've gotten to like them and if you can find them they're quite expensive. Good news is that they last and last.

[TNJ]

7581's.

And, I agree completely.

It was the first Two Rock amp I fell in love with a few moons back.

S.
j

[Timinator]

Love mine.

[Billion81]

I am stunned that this amp has not been copied like so many other amps out there.

I love my Bludo and Fuchs for sure but There is a unique quality both in Cleans (especially in cleans) where this thing is just kills- Also the gain structure is brilliant and seems to give such unique note separation it really is a unique bird. Me Likey!!!

I read Lerner's comments and agree that those few changes in values throughout the circuit are what make this thing so unique.

Silver Trannies All the way.

[Rod]

I have a mint Studio Slips Clamshell bag for an Emerald 50, or Emerald Pro if anyone's interested

[rhp52]

how much?

[Rod]

how much?

It has the leather bottom pieces..Double padding....new they are $145+...sell for $90 shipped and paypal..It's a brown cover...heavy duty zippers..