Verbzilla Discontinued?

[peterjh85]

I've heard rumors that Line 6 is discontinuing the Verbzilla - can anyone verify this as true or false? What a shame if it is true!

[NBarnes21]

I'm getting one for Christmas, I hope they don't come out with a cooler one next year!

[jonlarsen002]

I think Line 6 REALLY needs to come up with a solid pedal lineup. If they housed their pedals in something similar to the Hardwire series, I think they might have better luck in the long run.

On another note, I'm seeing less DL4's on pedalboards as I used to.

[NewarkWilder]

they've got to fix their tonesuckage

i refuse to play anything L6, it all sounds like digital crap to me

[yellowecho]

On another note, I'm seeing less DL4's on pedalboards as I used to.
That's probably because they've all kicked the bucket!:Devil
Thankfully, I hated the tone of the delays and got rid of mine before it died.

[peterjh85]

wow, no love for the zilla or l6

[drod2045]

zilla fan and owner here and a fan of the dl4 but not an owner. if they are discontinuing it, im interested in what replaces it

maybe ppl arent buying it new enough? I got mine 2nd hand. its too expensive new imo but maybe thats cause i like finding deals :)

[blood5150]

had a dl4 a few years ago... returned in in 2 days... darkened the tone too much for me...

[burningyen]

wow, no love for the zilla or l6
I use an Echo Park, FM-4, POD 2 and Acoustic Variax, so I guess you could call me a fan.

[archives]

i'm satisfiied with the cave setting on my verbzilla. i do hope they discontinue it though.

[jamison162]

Love my Verbzilla, Cave, Hall, Octo are all stellar. Tried several other verbs but nothing has come close to replacing it.

[Design Guy]

None of the Tone Core pedals have been discontinued to my knowledge.

[aziltz]

dr distorto was discontinued i think,

[ruger9]

Echo Park is one of the most UNDERRATED delays out there. Best bang for buck. Yes, it has a weird footswitch (for tap tempo), but only a stupid monkey wouldn't be able to use it... actually, a stupid monkey WOULD be able to use it, so if you can't use it...

I've never had any tone suckage, tone coloration, or reliability issues with it. Apparently Greg V hasn't either, seeing has how he's still using one...

http://www.gregv.us/Gear013.htm

[Bryan T]

I think the Verbzilla is a really cool pedal. I get a lot of use out of mine. It would be a shame if they discontinued it.

[dap9]

The guys from Minus the Bear would disagree about the DL4:

Jake:
http://www.balderdashrecords.com/Images/Pedal%20Boards/DSC00147%20-%20small.jpg


Dave
http://www.balderdashrecords.com/Images/Pedal%20Boards/DSC00146%20-%20small.jpg

[Angle Loss]

None of the Tone Core pedals have been discontinued to my knowledge.

I love the Verbzilla and Echo Park, but will there ever be a fix for the volume boost with the Echo Park? Around here it is the number one complaint with that pedal. It's a shame because I love the tone of it, but can't deal with volume boost.

[eclipseall]

they've got to fix their tonesuckage

i refuse to play anything L6, it all sounds like digital crap to me


same here, cant stand the way their digital fizzy crispy distortions sound and dont really care for their effects. if they fix the tone sucking, power options, and flimsy construction on their pedals then they might get my attention, until then Line 6 = Crap Tone.

[aziltz]

don't use digital distortions, but the other stuff can be very creative

[treeuh]

I'm a fan... M13 is awesome, sturdy, versatile...

Although, if the Verbzilla does get discontinued, it'll probably end up on a lot more boards than it is now simply because it has been discontinued... ha-ha

[drod2045]

same here, cant stand the way their digital fizzy crispy distortions sound and dont really care for their effects. if they fix the tone sucking, power options, and flimsy construction on their pedals then they might get my attention, until then Line 6 = Crap Tone.


never tried their dirt's but the thread is clearly about the verbzilla anywho...

[richrenken]

Hey guys. New product manager for ToneCore here. Just want to let you know that there is no way that we would discontinue one of our best selling pedals. Verbzilla is kicking butt for us. For that matter, none of the ToneCores are being discontinued. Not sure where Peterjh85 heard that.

There is a lot of love and hate here. I dig that. All gear has that with true players.

:)

[Isaiah4Autumn]

The guys from Minus the Bear would disagree about the DL4:

Jake:
http://www.balderdashrecords.com/Images/Pedal%20Boards/DSC00147%20-%20small.jpg


Dave
http://www.balderdashrecords.com/Images/Pedal%20Boards/DSC00146%20-%20small.jpg

one of my favorite bands! Bump for Minus the Bear...and the DL4:phones and verbzilla

[peterjh85]

Hey guys. New product manager for ToneCore here. Just want to let you know that there is no way that we would discontinue one of our best selling pedals. Verbzilla is kicking butt for us. For that matter, none of the ToneCores are being discontinued. Not sure where Peterjh85 heard that.

There is a lot of love and hate here. I dig that. All gear has that with true players.

:)

HA! The guys are GC are full of IT then. They'll say anything to get a sale. Thanks for the info!

[chemical69]

I love the Verbzilla and Echo Park, but will there ever be a fix for the volume boost with the Echo Park? Around here it is the number one complaint with that pedal. It's a shame because I love the tone of it, but can't deal with volume boost.

From my experience, if i turn off the trails on the Echo Park, I lose the boost problem.

my main delay box... sounds great!

[tbhuey]

The guys from Minus the Bear would disagree about the DL4:

Jake:
http://www.balderdashrecords.com/Images/Pedal%20Boards/DSC00147%20-%20small.jpg


Dave
http://www.balderdashrecords.com/Images/Pedal%20Boards/DSC00146%20-%20small.jpg

I think it's time for an M13!

[Angle Loss]

From my experience, if i turn off the trails on the Echo Park, I lose the boost problem.

my main delay box... sounds great!

Thanks, but the trails switch makes no difference in volume for me--it boosts between bypass and on no matter what.

I love the tape mode and the reverse+tape, it totally outshines my Eventide in that regard, but I can't deal with a non-drive pedal changing my volume. The Verbzilla doesn't have this problem. I just can't help what wonder what L6 was thinking to give it a boost. Same goes for the volume drop on the DL4. Why would you do that much design and testing just to miss something so obvious? :FM

[NewarkWilder]

Hey guys. New product manager for ToneCore here. Just want to let you know that there is no way that we would discontinue one of our best selling pedals. Verbzilla is kicking butt for us. For that matter, none of the ToneCores are being discontinued. Not sure where Peterjh85 heard that.

There is a lot of love and hate here. I dig that. All gear has that with true players.

:)

seriously, fix the tonesuckage! I love the concept of the 'zilla--the Octo setting is unbelievably cool and it'd be on my board right now if it weren't for the digitization. I'm always willing to give second chances, but you guys gotta listen to your customers. Look at what Digitech did with the Hardwire line--if L6 did something similar I would absolutely give you another shot.

Thanks for chiming in though--the tone of my post may have sounded like hate, but I couldn't hate anything that inspires people to make music. I'd like to see some changes but its all for the good. :AOK

[jamison162]

seriously, fix the tonesuckage! :AOK

What tone suckage? The VerbZ doesn't suck tone, it blows, a lot a high end and clarity. Whether that's the pedal's buffer or reduction of cable capacitance, I'm not sure. But it definitely doesn't suck.

[Dandy13]

I liked the verbzilla for the most part. the reason why i ended up trading it was when i used it, i felt that instead of using it to create my own tones, i was playing tones that were prefabricated. Kinda like using presets on a keyboard. Dunno if that makes sense :bong

[Macaroni]

I've mixed in studios with high end tc (M3000) and Lexicon (PCM81) reverbs. I had a tc G Major and a few of their lower end rack units. They were decent, but when I A/B'd the Verbzilla with them, I preferred the Verbzilla for my setup. It has tones that work better with guitar than the other units, IME.

I'm also using it in full stereo with a w/d/w setup, so it's not inline between my guitar and amp. In stereo, it sounds beautiful - studio quality, with no digititis or boost issues - I have an Echo Park too - no problems with it either. Although I plan to replace the Echo Park with an Eventide TimeFactor, only because it has additional features I want/need.

[nrvana8775]

I'm looking forward to running a dl4 or verbzilla in the feedback loop of a barge concepts mixer.

I've had both pedals, but they absolutely turned my tone to shit. I'm interested in seeing how it would sound to max out the level in the cave/octo setting, and then mixing that signal into my dry signal at my discretion. It could be cool to have a undertone of 100% reverb and delay, like a drone of some sort.

[macmax77]

Echo Park is one of the most UNDERRATED delays out there. Best bang for buck. Yes, it has a weird footswitch (for tap tempo), but only a stupid monkey wouldn't be able to use it... actually, a stupid monkey WOULD be able to use it, so if you can't use it...

I've never had any tone suckage, tone coloration, or reliability issues with it. Apparently Greg V hasn't either, seeing has how he's still using one...

http://www.gregv.us/Gear013.htm

Thanks , now i know what i am cause mine lasted 5 minutes before i realized i couldn't use it, not because i couldn't tun the knobs, but because it sounded awful to me in my rig, i mean, i could have used this when i thought a multieffects was a good thing, BACK in the 80's!

It sucked tone, and sounded like a toy to me, imho

[scott58]

wow, no love for the zilla or l6

I wouldn't trade my Variax 700 and POD XT Live for anything. Never tried the zilla or much else from Line 6, but i'm certainly happy with what I have.

[olectric]

Verbzilla and Echo Park user here. The EP is the most underrated, most bang for the buck delay pedal out there, period. I really like the tape setting. Sounds fantastic! Love my VZ, too--I pretty much only use the '63 Spring and Cave settings, but they are worth the price of the pedal alone. I have no volume boost or volume drop issues with either pedal. I do however leave them in trails off mode. They sound great in a band mix, especially live. I've also had a fully-functional DL4 for 8 years (yes, you read that correctly), and it isn't going anywhere. The loop-sampler is pretty much the only thing I use on it though.

[blackba]

I don't notice tone suckage with my verbzilla. I generally dislike Line 6 stuff, but I like the verbzilla. I mostly use the '63 spring and plate modes. I was surprised that the verbzilla even sounded good in front of my fender bassman head.

There are a few things that I don't care for:
- Weight of the pedal, weighs a friggin tone compared to other pedals
- Current draw, its in the 60mA range, my next highest pedal is about 35mA. Don't try running one on a battery that is for sure
- Verbzilla doesn't play well with my other pedals on the power-all supply so in my setup, it has to has its own supply. (other solution would be getting a voodoo labs pedal power 2)

[elephanttalk]

does anyone have problems running the verb or echo park in their amps loop? does in front sound better? i ask because of line6.com claiming that they arent designed for this. thanks.

[morgan918]

I like the verbzilla enough. I went through a few holy grails, which I think sound better, but the never seemed to last. The zilla is built like a tank (and weighs like one). I use mostly the spring reverb setting (and sometimes cave). It does a decent job, but it's not the greatest I've ever heard. But there's a serious lack of reverb options, I'm not sure where to go next.

[Design Guy]

...if they fix the tone sucking, power options, and flimsy construction on their pedals then they might get my attention, until then Line 6 = Crap Tone.

Haha, well, you can't please everyone. Tone suck is pretty subjective. I'm not sure how much more standard you can get than 9vdc for a pedal (Tone Core), and flimsy construction? ...have you picked one of those up? I drove over one with a Toyota pickup and it still works fine! lol

Ah well, maybe we'll make something that meets your standards in another life! :)

Cheers,
D

[blackba]

does anyone have problems running the verb or echo park in their amps loop? does in front sound better? i ask because of line6.com claiming that they arent designed for this. thanks.

I run my verbzilla in the loop of my marshall 2553 and it sounds good there. I have also run it before my SF Fender bassman.

So the line6 forums are claiming the verbzilla is not designed to work in the loop of a guitar amp? :confused:

[storm319]

I currently own the DL-4 and used to own the Echo Park.

I think that the Tonecore enclosure is terrible. I liked the fact that the EP was a single sized pedal with a tap feature that you didnt need to hold to engage (boss, digitech, etc). However, I played one show with it and a few times when I stepped on it to turn it off the pedal locked up and went into this infinate feedback loop. I had to bend down and unplug it mid song twice during the show. It was on ebay the next day and I replaced with the DL-4 which I have had for the past 3 years with no problems.

The EP had more noise and a small volume boost when engaged that was enough to be annoying.

I have played nearly all of Line 6's products and the only thing I would buy is the DL-4 which I already own. As long as they have sales up, Line 6 wont change a thing (just like any big company).

[elephanttalk]

Haha, well, you can't please everyone. Tone suck is pretty subjective. I'm not sure how much more standard you can get than 9vdc for a pedal (Tone Core), and flimsy construction? ...have you picked one of those up? I drove over one with a Toyota pickup and it still works fine! lol

Ah well, maybe we'll make something that meets your standards in another life! :)

Cheers,
D

please come out with a tonecore phaser with 2,4,6,8,10,12, selectable stages, and a env. up+down, step, rise, fall mode. please let it do ring mod sounds with selectable wave forms, like the ibanez pm-7. and of coarse tap tempo with the stereo ins and outs. an exp. input for speed would be nice.:stir PLEASE!
take care, thanks for listening.

[buddaman71]

I actually really like the Verbzilla and it's always sounded fantastic for me and works perfectly in the loop of my Mesa Lone Star, Budda Twinmaster and SD18, as well as in the loop of my Matchless Chieftain..Not sure what anyone is talking about that says they don't sound good in loops.

Superior sound and performance/price compared to any other pedal verb I have ever tried...

Also, IMHO the Echo Park is, bar none, the coolest dealy pedal ever made considering it's tone, features and very low price.

These pedals are also pretty heavy duty and have always performed at or above my expectation levels.

PS: I gig 3-5 times a week.

[Design Guy]

please come out with a tonecore phaser with 2,4,6,8,10,12, selectable stages, and a env. up+down, step, rise, fall mode. please let it do ring mod sounds with selectable wave forms, like the ibanez pm-7. and of coarse tap tempo with the stereo ins and outs. an exp. input for speed would be nice.:stir PLEASE!
take care, thanks for listening.

I wish more people would send in this feedback through our ideas@line6.com address. I've been pushing for a phaser for a long time, but I just do the industrial design, I have no say in what gets made and what doesn't.

So if you really want a phaser (or anything else) send in an email! :D

Thanks,
D

[holyears]

The guys are GC are full of IT then. They'll say anything to get a sale.

I'm glad you have come to that realization, b/c it's very true!

[flapjack]

I was very happy with my Verbzilla until it died tonight. That is why I am reading this and other threads. I need a new pedal. By the way, mine never left the house - had it for about a year.

[delayayay]

I have a Verbzilla which I use pretty much just for the Octo - I wish someone would come out with a nicer sounding (no clipping) and more sturdy pedal with this effect

[blackba]

I have a Verbzilla which I use pretty much just for the Octo - I wish someone would come out with a nicer sounding (no clipping) and more sturdy pedal with this effect

You heard the pedal clip? Never heard any clipping in mine.

Mine has been working great so far. I am even thinking of picking up a 2nd one.

[delayayay]

Every single verbzilla I have ever heard has strange digital artifacts on heavy octo settings. I don't think it is clipping, but just digital sampling.

[blackba]

Every single verbzilla I have ever heard has strange digital artifacts on heavy octo settings. I don't think it is clipping, but just digital sampling.

I haven't used the octo setting that much. I will play around with it and see if I can hear that. It may be that the sampling rate is not high enough on those settings.

[Mango Positive]

I've owned quite a few reverbs and the Verbzilla is easily the best sounding reverb in stomp box form that I've used. I've never had an issue with mine and I gig fairly often..

[eternally found]

I was very happy with my Verbzilla until it died tonight. That is why I am reading this and other threads. I need a new pedal. By the way, mine never left the house - had it for about a year.

GO with an RV5. It's solid as a rock, and sounds amazing!

[jzucker]

probably hard to sell after behringer ripped off the circuit/firmware.