New Catalinbread-Dirty Little Secret

[erksin]

IMHO it's easier for those who want to use a boost to select whatever boost they want and put it before (or after) the DLS. If Catalinbread builds a boost in, some will say they don't like the boost, some will say they don't want the boost, etc.

Can't please everybody - thats for sure!

[Ken]

Can't please everybody - thats for sure!

I was just Brainstorming and making a suggestion...

[erksin]

I was just Brainstorming and making a suggestion...

Did you miss my previous post?

[Ken]

We're coming out with a 'custom shop' model DLS with a 3-way Ge boost - should have pics and info in a few weeks or so.

Ahhh ok...Got it...Good Job!

[Lt_Core]

Ahhh ok...Got it...

What is a Ge Boost?

Looks like they're adding a Germanium boost to the DLS. Excellent idea! From what I know, a Germanium boost is like a treble boost to further goose the amp into overdrive or for solo boosts. I'm sure Erskin will expand further :)

[jb1911]

We're coming out with a 'custom shop' model DLS with a 3-way Ge boost - should have pics and info in a few weeks or so.

You guys are fookin' killing me, dude.

[BAN]

We're coming out with a 'custom shop' model DLS with a 3-way Ge boost - should have pics and info in a few weeks or so.

Need.

[Lt_Core]

Guess I'll wait to find out more info on the custom boost version of the DLS before ordering the current one.

[doralin]

I'm buying the custom shop one for sure.

Will it be in limited quantities though?

[In Tune]

We're coming out with a 'custom shop' model DLS with a 3-way Ge boost - should have pics and info in a few weeks or so.
:dude:dude HoooorrraaaaaaYYY!!!! More custom colors too right?:stir He He He He He He.......:dude:dude

[catalinbread]

I'm buying the custom shop one for sure.

Will it be in limited quantities though?


There is only 10 in the first run. We don't have immediate plans for more.

[Purple]

omg custom shop boost me lol

[johnny5]

I believe my DLS was lost in the mail. It was ordered from the C-bread website. Can the folks over at Catalinbread help me out? Please PM me, email, me, call me please.

thanks

[Bobby D]

I believe my DLS was lost in the mail. It was ordered from the C-bread website. Can the folks over at Catalinbread help me out? Please PM me, email, me, call me please.

thanks

email erksin thru the website, they will help you out! remember, sometimes it takes 2 weeks to get an order....

[dtfan4ever]

I totally forgot to post in this thread that my pedals (DLS and Semaphore) arrived last Saturday. I really like them both. They're very powerful. Thanks to the fine folks at C-bread for making these wonderful tone machines.

[tonymcbony]

For years, I've never found a pedal that matched the amp-like response and overall tone of my G2D custom OD until now and it even cleans up better especially on the rock mode.

How does the DLS compare to the G2D Custom? I'm stuck between these two pedals and would love a bit of a review if possible!

[MHermans]

I got the DLS. At first I liked it but didn't think I was going to keep it. But then I tried it with 18volts and played it live and loud and wow! It's becoming one of my favorites. It's really big and dirty but open sounding. I didn't think my fender amps could sound like this!

[catalinbread]

I got the DLS. At first I liked it but didn't think I was going to keep it. But then I tried it with 18volts and played it live and loud and wow! It's becoming one of my favorites. It's really big and dirty but open sounding. I didn't think my fender amps could sound like this!


:BEER I run mine @ 18V too. Thats the only way you can get the CAB feel. Thanks for the support!

[jb1911]

:BEER I run mine @ 18V too. Thats the only way you can get the CAB feel. Thanks for the support!

What's the "cab" feel?

[Purple]

What's the "cab" feel?

You know, you take a new girl out and you get in the back of the cab to go to the restaurant.........

[catalinbread]

What's the "cab" feel?


Make yr girly Princeton :eek: sound like it has the resonance of a man's 4x12.

[jb1911]

Make yr girly Princeton :eek: sound like it has the resonance of a man's 4x12.

I thought you loved me?:cry:


I used to has a Twin, but I couldn't lift one now.

[catalinbread]

i thought you loved me?:cry:


I used to has a twin, but i couldn't lift one now.


i do!!!

[utterhack]

Why mention the CS model if only 10 are being made with no plans to make more?

Because it's an interesting DLS development?

[fuzzfan1]

Why mention the CS model if only 10 are being made with no plans to make more?
Why Not? :dunno

[RitalinCupcake]

Why mention the CS model if only 10 are being made with no plans to make more?

Beacuse that's what the Gear Page loves. Oh wait, he forgot to start a waiting list and spread the 10 piece build out over two years.

[MHermans]

Just got back from rehearsal and the DLS is the bomb! I'm thinking about buying another one to use just as my clean channel type of pedal. The Rawk setting delivers amazing lead tones. And I love the cleaner tones out of the Rock mode. I didn't want to choose between the 2. I love how it brings everything to life.

[catalinbread]

Why mention the CS model if only 10 are being made with no plans to make more?


Somebody asked. Alot of somebodies. We put it in our newsletter last month and then Erksin was inundated with inquiries... And TGP inquires are all the same. "Hi this is Ted, "Bluebugle" from TGP how much will the Usual Suspects be? Do you have a waiting list? Etc."

[catalinbread]

Folks! My codesigner Howard developed a DLS modification today that MAY be pertinent to some of your interests.

If you are running the gain noon or lower and find it is too thin or would like a bit more total output when running at 9V. And if you'd like even more GAIN. This mod MAY be right for you.

We also finally understand why some Marshalls have around 5000pF or more treble bleed caps yet others only have 100-200pF, but rarely if ever do you see any values between 200pF to 5000pF.

Anything we ship out June on will have this value included AND a slider switch on the PCB that you can toggle between the high value and the original DLS setting.

More on my blog about it. http://www.catalinbread.com/odds/bunker.html

Feel free to email me questions if you'd like to. nicholas(a)catalinbread.com

[tonymcbony]

Mine got shipped june 5 :cry:
And it's going into an ac30, which would have been the ideal candidate.
Ah well.

[Brad J]

Folks! My codesigner Howard developed a DLS modification today that MAY be pertinent to some of your interests.

If you are running the gain noon or lower and find it is too thin or would like a bit more total output when running at 9V. And if you'd like even more GAIN. This mod MAY be right for you.

We also finally understand why some Marshalls have around 5000pF or more treble bleed caps yet others only have 100-200pF, but rarely if ever do you see any values between 200pF to 5000pF.

Anything we ship out June on will have this value included AND a slider switch on the PCB that you can toggle between the high value and the original DLS setting.

More on my blog about it. http://www.catalinbread.com/odds/bunker.html

Feel free to email me questions if you'd like to. nicholas(a)catalinbread.com

And thus lies tonights mission, the DLS bright cap mod!

Thanks Nic!

[Brad J]

I only had a 5600pf on hand, soldered it in with an spdt switch to bring it in and out of circuit, tried it at 9v, 12v and 18v.

With the gain at noon you'll hear a difference (volume on guitar at 10), it sounds bigger when switched in, more gain, more highs, but not like dialling up the tone where it gets brittle, just more high end detail.

With the gain at 3pm or above you won't hear a big change, but when you roll back your guitar volume there's a big difference between the two.

With the cap in circuit, when you roll back the volume it lowers the gain a little without dropping the volume or thinning out,
with the cap out of circuit it loses sparkle and volume.

Still not decided, am going to socket the cap so I can fool with a few values and see what works for me, might just leave the switch in the battery area for a quick adjustment too.

Anyone else?

[orogeny]

Folks! My codesigner Howard

Dumble?!!! Just kidding. . . SOMEONE had to. . .

[Lt_Core]

My DLS should be here today or tomorrow. I bought a used one that does not come with any instructions or required settings. I couldn't find a PDF from Catalinbread either. No big deal, I guess. I'm also getting a Plum Crazy FX Squawk treblebooster in the same shipment. Can't wait!

[catalinbread]

My DLS should be here today or tomorrow. I bought a used one that does not come with any instructions or required settings. I couldn't find a PDF from Catalinbread either. No big deal, I guess. I'm also getting a Plum Crazy FX Squawk treblebooster in the same shipment. Can't wait!


We need to actually MAKE an manual. :facepalm Been too darned busy shipping pedals.

[BAN]

We need to actually MAKE an manual. :facepalm Been too darned busy shipping pedals.

1. Flip switch to Rock or Rawk, depending on what era Marshall amp you are looking to capture.
2. Turn gain up until you reach desired level of distortion.
3. Adjust tone control until it sounds good.
4. Set volume to taste.


There, I made it for you. I won't even charge you for it.

[Meriphew]

Quick start guide:

Turn knobs 'till it sounds good.

[catalinbread]

Quick start guide:

Turn knobs 'till it sounds good.


Man I wish my life were that easy.

[In Tune]

My DLS should be here today or tomorrow. I bought a used one that does not come with any instructions or required settings. I couldn't find a PDF from Catalinbread either. No big deal, I guess. I'm also getting a Plum Crazy FX Squawk treblebooster in the same shipment. Can't wait!

:drink:bong:crazy:jo:facepalm

[Pappy]

I only had a 5600pf on hand, soldered it in with an spdt switch to bring it in and out of circuit, tried it at 9v, 12v and 18v.

With the gain at noon you'll hear a difference (volume on guitar at 10), it sounds bigger when switched in, more gain, more highs, but not like dialling up the tone where it gets brittle, just more high end detail.

I'm a little confused by this. I thought it was supposed to make it less bright at lower gain settings but you mention that it added highs. I always run my gain just below noon and find that I have to turn the tone knob way down. Does the added girth make up for the added highs?

[Purple]

I'm a little confused by this. I thought it was supposed to make it less bright at lower gain settings but you mention that it added highs. I always run my gain just below noon and find that I have to turn the tone knob way down. Does the added girth make up for the added highs?

At around 5000pf for a bright cap, not only are highs "leaking" through but so are the awesome Marshall-y midrange frequencies. But a 100pf bright cap would only let the "chimey" highs through.

Basically the lower the volume knob (or, "gain" on the DLS), the more the bright cap has an effect. So at, say, 10:00 on the gain, the 5000pf would let highs and upper mids through, whereas the 100pf would only allow the "chimey" frequencies through.

It's amazing what this simple little cap can do to the voicing of a marshall (or DLS).

[Pappy]

Cool. Thank you for the explanation between the two caps.

[HBob]

I've got a DLS in Snuffer Water Blue on order from Tone Factor. Is it gonna have that slider switch?

[catalinbread]

I've got a DLS in Snuffer Water Blue on order from Tone Factor. Is it gonna have that slider switch?


Probably. When you get it with the gain on NOON, you should hear a big difference with the slider switch off and on.

[TenneyThe2nd]

Is there a serial number we can reference to call tone factor with to make sure we get the latest version?

[catalinbread]

Is there a serial number we can reference to call tone factor with to make sure we get the latest version?


Our serial system is not serial in an obvious way. Though it is roughly after the first 500 made.

The last batch we sent Tonefactor was two TF exclusive colors should have it. These also represent the beginning of the mod crossover period.

Bubblegum Pink

and

Snuffer Water Blue

We are putting a little star on the bottom plate for the cross over period. If it doesn't have the Star Belly just email me and we will see what we can do. nicholas@catalinbread.com This only applies to the DLS with a PCB slider.

All of the inventory we are currently shipping to our partners (most of whom are out of stock anyway) and direct sales from the begining of the June on will be the new version.

I am happy to answer any further questions via email!!!

[In Tune]

What about us with the first 500? No one will ever think Im cool. My purple is now turning Blue with envy.

[catalinbread]

What about us with the first 500? No one will ever think Im cool. My purple is now turning Blue with envy.


Try the mod!!! :cool:

[In Tune]

Try the mod!!! :cool:
If you say I must.....but Ive never even plugged in a soldering iron..:worried:worried:worried:facepalm

[DocGonzo]

snuffer water blue is the new black... can't wait to get mine

[coldfingaz]

What about us with the first 500? No one will ever think Im cool. My purple is now turning Blue with envy.


Personally, I don't see any reason to change the original...:drink

[jb1911]

Personally, I don't see any reason to change the original...:drink

They're not changing it. With the internal switch set to stock it's the same circuit. They're adding more versatility, not a bad thing.

[coldfingaz]

They're not changing it. With the internal switch set to stock it's the same circuit. They're adding more versatility, not a bad thing.


It wasn't a criticism, but that is technically a change.

Don't get me wrong, I love my "early era" DLS just fine the way it is, but I find it regrettable that often manufactures make subtle changes like this with no real way (by serial #, casing, etc.) for consumers to know what version they have. It might be easy to figure it out now, but in 3 years it probably won't be. This isn't a knock on Catalinbread (or any of the dozens of other builders that do similar things) either, it's just something I wish all of the boutique guys especially would try harder to avoid so consumers can figure out exactly what they're getting whether they buy it new or used... today or in 5 years.

[catalinbread]

It wasn't a criticism, but that is technically a change.

Don't get me wrong, I love my "early era" DLS just fine the way it is, but I find it regrettable that often manufactures make subtle changes like this with no real way (by serial #, casing, etc.) for consumers to know what version they have. It might be easy to figure it out now, but in 3 years it probably won't be. This isn't a knock on Catalinbread (or any of the dozens of other builders that do similar things) either, it's just something I wish all of the boutique guys especially would try harder to avoid so consumers can figure out exactly what they're getting whether they buy it new or used... today or in 5 years.


I agree completely. I wish there was an easy way too. We only recently started having anything that resembles rev control, prior to that it was all in my head. And that gets even more impossible to tell years down the road.

This one is pretty easy though. We ran out of 500 of the 1st Rev boards within a couple months (thank you folks for the support!). After that we added a slider switch on the PCB. If there is a PCB slider, chances are it is REV 1.2. :)

[Brad J]

What about us with the first 500? No one will ever think Im cool. My purple is now turning Blue with envy.

Hell no, we got the Gold Klons of the DLS's!

People will envy you and your first run DLS, your teeth will be whiter, clothes more colorful and the girls will go wild over you!

[ptdesign]

It's worth the mod.
It makes rock mode a GREAT harmonic lead machine. Put it on a switch.
lower than 5000pf is too bright.

btw, change is your friend.

[catalinbread]

It's worth the mod.
It makes rock mode a GREAT harmonic lead machine. Put it on a switch.
lower than 5000pf is too bright.

btw, change is your friend.


Thanks for the confirmation. :JAM

[markom89]

o hai,

plz mejk me a usual suspekts dee-el-es, k?
ktylolbai!

[Purple]

o hai,

plz mejk me a usual suspekts dee-el-es, k?
ktylolbai!

http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg

[markom89]

http://www.brainfuel.tv/wp-content/uploads/2006/03/nopony.jpg

esplain wai.

[Jim S]

Folks! My codesigner Howard developed a DLS modification today that MAY be pertinent to some of your interests.

If you are running the gain noon or lower and find it is too thin or would like a bit more total output when running at 9V. And if you'd like even more GAIN. This mod MAY be right for you.

We also finally understand why some Marshalls have around 5000pF or more treble bleed caps yet others only have 100-200pF, but rarely if ever do you see any values between 200pF to 5000pF.

Anything we ship out June on will have this value included AND a slider switch on the PCB that you can toggle between the high value and the original DLS setting.

More on my blog about it. http://www.catalinbread.com/odds/bunker.html

Feel free to email me questions if you'd like to. nicholas(a)catalinbread.com
Any clips of the two DLS?

[catalinbread]

Any clips of the two DLS?


I guess we should do that... :)

[Purple]

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/kittycaster/Emoticons/_-Unsure.gif

[ecm1117]

Yes, clips please, so I can determine exactly how depressed I am NOT to own the newer version and have it eat at me every time I step on my plain early gray DLS. :cry:

I keed, I keed. :D

[TREV FLINT]

I am thinking of doing this mod with a mini external switch. Has anyone tried this yet?

[jb1911]

I am thinking of doing this mod with a mini external switch. Has anyone tried this yet?

This is a great idea. Pics if you do?

[Thazy]

For those of us who have early versions, just get a second, newer DLS in a different color of course, and have the best of both. I like mine the way it is and don't want to mess with it but, the new version may have it's own use also.

[ptdesign]

I have a spdt on/none/on wired 5000p / stock / 4700 I side mounted the switch. I don't use a battery so I encroached on the battery space.

The leads caused no intermodulation and It's F'n great.

To test, simply solder two leads to the gain 1&2 pads and put it on a switch with a 5000p cap. If yours has a 47p on the bottom of the board already, leave it and parallel the new leads with it.

4700 is too thin. I have a 5600 I'm going to put in the 3rd switch position this morning.

Just makes a great pedal even better. The lead tones in rock mode are killer now. Even with the gain at 10:00.

This is no minor clipping mod. It really gives you a killer second voice for the DLS.

Fogot to mension, it really bumps up the harmonic content as well!!! Do it.

[jb1911]

I have a spdt on/none/on wired 5000p / stock / 4700 I side mounted the switch. I don't use a battery so I encroached on the battery space.

The leads caused no intermodulation and It's F'n great.

To test, simply solder two leads to the gain 1&2 pads and put it on a switch with a 5000p cap. If yours has a 47p on the bottom of the board already, leave it and parallel the new leads with it.

4700 is too thin. I have a 5600 I'm going to put in the 3rd switch position this morning.

Just makes a great pedal even better. The lead tones in rock mode are killer now. Even with the gain at 10:00.

This is no minor clipping mod. It really gives you a killer second voice for the DLS.

Fogot to mension, it really bumps up the harmonic content as well!!! Do it.

:banana:banana:banana:banana:banana

[dudinka]

I am thinking of doing this mod with a mini external switch. Has anyone tried this yet?

I wish CB turned the PCB slider to an outside toggle.

why not, actually?

[Ken]

Could you guys tell me which values of Caps that I have.
It's been awhile since I had to figure out Capacitor values.

Would any of these or combination's of these work on the Mod for the DLS?

I have some Thin flat Ceramic's and they say:
.0022k 100 V

Also have some in a thicker rectangle shape that say the following:
683 K
222 k
103 k
472 k

And I have one bigger red color one that says:
223 G
P.B.

[ptdesign]

Could you guys tell me which values of Caps that I have.
It's been awhile since I had to figure out Capacitor values.

Would any of these or combination's of these work on the Mod for the DLS?

I have some Thin flat Ceramic's and they say:
.0022k 100 V

Also have some in a thicker rectangle shape that say the following:
683 K
222 k
103 k
472 k

And I have one bigger red color one that says:
223 G
P.B.

The 472 (4700pf) (.0047u) will work just fine, but you might find it a little too bright as i did. I found 5000p (502) to be sweet.

[Ken]

Thanks...what if I solder in the 683k?

Guess I can try....

[Purple]

Thanks...what if I solder in the 683k?

Guess I can try....

You could try but I think that value would be way too big.

I'd go to the store and find a few different types of 5000pf's (.005u) in ceramic , silver mica, and poly to try and then go from there.

The 5000pf gives the most "marshally" response to me. Something in the 100pf to 200pf range would give it a more Voxy chimey sound.

Remember, when the gain is up full, this cap is out of the equation... it's when you turn the gain down that you hear the cap's effect.


:rockin

[musickbox]

Man, I need to give the DLS a second go around now that this mod is out. I think I read it, but all the new DLS (after the first 500) have this mod?

[Meriphew]

Anyone know if proguitarshop.com stock the DLS? From their website it looks like they sell Catalinbread pedals, but I don't see the DLS listed.

[erksin]

Anyone know if proguitarshop.com stock the DLS? From their website it looks like they sell Catalinbread pedals, but I don't see the DLS listed.

They do not.

[Sokar]

Just so happens my Marshall Guv'nor (original black) pedal is starting to act up and I found this thread.

Can anybody do a comparison between the DLS and original Guv'nor? It was starting to lose it's pizzaz anyway. I'm looking for the closest Marshall overdrive tone I can find and I am most impressed with everything I've heard and read so far.

Thanks.

[Meriphew]

They do not.

Thx. I just received a reply from them as well. It's nice when companies respond in a very timely manner.

[catalinbread]

Thx. I just received a reply from them as well. It's nice when companies respond in a very timely manner.


Tommy's is Everett is a great shop and will have more DLS next week hopefully. There are only three reasons for me to visit Everett. Tommy's Guitar Shop, the sandwich joint across the street and my pal Fermin and his lovely wife.

http://tommysguitarshop.com/

[zerorez]

Well, the new mod sounds awesome. I am more then pleased with the original design as intended for the classic vintage tones and stacking, so much so. the original silver DLS is my spare and a 2nd purple DLS is on my pedal board.

Under #500 destined for classic collectable staus IMO :dude

[tjmicsak]

If I use a on-off-on SPDT switch but have the return of the two caps tied to select one or the other, will having them "dead-ended" while using the other selected cap pose an issue?

http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr239/castermaster/DLSMod.jpg

[ptdesign]

With a spdt on / off / on, connect Gain 2 to the center lug on the switch. Connect one end of each cap to the outside lugs and tie them together with the lead to gain 1. There will be no issue with tying the caps as the signal will only flow in a closed circuit.

[Lt_Core]

I got a silver DLS last week. I have mixed feeling about it so far. I'm running it through my Rivera Chubster's clean channel with a Custom Strat, Les Paul and PRS. After listening to the YouTube videos by Catalinbread (both the Strat & LP videos, specifically) I was sold on the DLS but I don't get that big cab open feel that the video demonstrates. My Rivera's clean channel is absolutely amazing and most OD pedals sound great though it.

How are people setting up the pedal's volume? Running it at unity with your clean channel or slamming the front end of your amp by using the Loudness knob and Gain knob? I really want this pedal to work but something is not quite right, yet. Maybe more time tweaking the settings. Thanks for any help!

[tjmicsak]

How about this using a sub mini DPDt instead? Might actually take up less room.
The switch will just squeeze in between the three knobs and switch right in the center of the "x" they make while retaining the "tone" on the decal. Wires will run around the top of board to the tie in points through the space left between the box top end and board. Leave some leads on the caps to beable to divert them around other components if need be.

http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr239/castermaster/DLSMod-1.jpg

[tjmicsak]

Word on the street is the gold sounds different than the silver, even with the same components.

:stir:hide

Just kidding.

[ptdesign]

How about this using a sub mini DPDt instead? Might actually take up less room.
The switch will just squeeze in between the three knobs and switch right in the center of the "x" they make while retaining the "tone" on the decal. Wires will run around the top of board to the tie in points through the space left between the box top end and board. Leave some leads on the caps to beable to divert them around other components if need be.


http://i487.photobucket.com/albums/rr239/castermaster/DLSMod-1.jpg
Yea, if your not pulling the board and you can get all the shavings out of the box, that's a good way to go.

This is of course assuming you need two values. I'm going to try a 5600pf
today paired with the 5000. Didn't like 4700.

I've stopped using sub-miniature switches as I've had to replace a lot of them.

[erksin]

I got a silver DLS last week. I have mixed feeling about it so far. I'm running it through my Rivera Chubster's clean channel with a Custom Strat, Les Paul and PRS. After listening to the YouTube videos by Catalinbread (both the Strat & LP videos, specifically) I was sold on the DLS but I don't get that big cab open feel that the video demonstrates. My Rivera's clean channel is absolutely amazing and most OD pedals sound great though it.

How are people setting up the pedal's volume? Running it at unity with your clean channel or slamming the front end of your amp by using the Loudness knob and Gain knob? I really want this pedal to work but something is not quite right, yet. Maybe more time tweaking the settings. Thanks for any help!

How are you powering it?

[ptdesign]

I like the 5600 a lot as well. Slightly darker and a touch more gain than the 5000. I think around 5100 - 5200 is going to be perfect as noted by Howard as being the value in one of his Marshalls.

I think it's worthy of a second footswitch. It makes a great lead boost. Usual suspects MKII?

[Lt_Core]

How are you powering it?

I switched from 9 volts to 18 volts. Using a DC Brick. Sounds a lot better at 18 volts, still not where I want it to be so I'll keep playing with it. I also have the Ninja boost enabled on the clean channel so it's easier to get broken-up tones that way. Sounds a lot better. Strat feels more alive with the DLS than my LP with Burstbucker Pro's.

[coot tone]

Question for the Catalinbread folks....so is the new modded DLS better at 9 V or is it still worth trying out at 18 V? I'm unclear, it almost sounds like the mod makes it perform at 9 V like it did at 18 V?

[catalinbread]

Question for the Catalinbread folks....so is the new modded DLS better at 9 V or is it still worth trying out at 18 V? I'm unclear, it almost sounds like the mod makes it perform at 9 V like it did at 18 V?


My favorite voltage is still 18V. The new version doesn't change the added dimension and percussive resonance you get at 18V. The value of 9V is low volume "easy to play" sort of compression. The Rev 2 basically takes bright cap values from the same general era Marshall amp and allows you to switch between the two. These values historically were below 200pF which is a bit less aggressive - or our Rev 1. Below 200pF puts a bit of "air" on top of a somewhat dark tone. Or they were above 5000pF - our Rev 2. This is a more aggressive in the mids sound which some folks may associate more with a Marshall sound, though both were possible even from an amp made a few months apart. Both are valid Marshall and historically accurate sounds, but this is where personal taste enters.

[catalinbread]

I switched from 9 volts to 18 volts. Using a DC Brick. Sounds a lot better at 18 volts, still not where I want it to be so I'll keep playing with it. I also have the Ninja boost enabled on the clean channel so it's easier to get broken-up tones that way. Sounds a lot better. Strat feels more alive with the DLS than my LP with Burstbucker Pro's.


Lets make sure we understand the same language first...

What is the Rivera a single 12 or a single 10? Does it have a bright switch... My assumption of the amp is it is sort of a Princeton/Deluxe type clean arrangement, am I correct? "still not where I want it to be" Where is THAT would you say? What sort of gain level are you seeking from the DLS?

[Lt_Core]

Lets make sure we understand the same language first...

What is the Rivera a single 12 or a single 10? Does it have a bright switch... My assumption of the amp is it is sort of a Princeton/Deluxe type clean arrangement, am I correct? "still not where I want it to be" Where is THAT would you say? What sort of gain level are you seeking from the DLS?

My Rivera Chubster 40 has a single 12" Vintage 30-clone speaker in it (Warehouse Speaker Veteran 30). The clean treble knob has a Pull Bright feature on it but I don't use it. I don't care for those shrill treble sounds. Mids are not scooped at all. The EQ is set pretty even. Gain is around 2 or 3 and the Master is set to whatever I need at the time.

I guess I'm looking for a Plexi or JTM-type medium-gain Marshall sound. Nothing high gain, I have some pedals that can get me there (Barber Dirty Bomb) and the Rivera OD channel really screams with high gain, as well. Where it falls short is that Plexi-type Marshall sound. I have a Silver Kiss Trinity which I just love. I have the SK set for light break-up/grit and it really adds a nice sparkle to my Strat.

I don't need a half or full stack since our band mic's everything and we use in-ears at gig. We try to keep our onstage volume at a minimum. I know it's hard to get a 1x12 to sound/feel like a 4x12 but when I saw your Princeton video I was blown away, both the Strat and LP videos. To my ears the DLS sounds better with my Strat than LP. It sounds pretty compressed and not open sounding with my Les Paul, if that makes sense.

I think the DLS sounds a lot better at 18V than 9V, in my testing. That has helped quite a bit. One thing I have found out is that the DLS really respects your guitar/pick-ups. My Strat has Vintage 57/62's in the neck/middle and a Duncan Lil '59 in the bridge.

I did stack my new Plum Crazy FX Sqauwk treble booster into the DLS just a little while ago and sounded pretty good. The Dirty Bomb into the DLS didn't do it for me. The SK Trinity did sound good into it, mostly more volume and a little bit of extra gain. I really want to work at getting the DLS to sound like it does in your videos, especially since my Rivera's clean channel is very Fender-like. Sorry for the rambling and thanks for your help :)

[catalinbread]

My Rivera Chubster 40 has a single 12" Vintage 30-clone speaker in it (Warehouse Speaker Veteran 30). The clean treble knob has a Pull Bright feature on it but I don't use it. I don't care for those shrill treble sounds. Mids are not scooped at all. The EQ is set pretty even. Gain is around 2 or 3 and the Master is set to whatever I need at the time.

I guess I'm looking for a Plexi or JTM-type medium-gain Marshall sound. Nothing high gain, I have some pedals that can get me there (Barber Dirty Bomb) and the Rivera OD channel really screams with high gain, as well. Where it falls short is that Plexi-type Marshall sound. I have a Silver Kiss Trinity which I just love. I have the SK set for light break-up/grit and it really adds a nice sparkle to my Strat.

I don't need a half or full stack since our band mic's everything and we use in-ears at gig. We try to keep our onstage volume at a minimum. I know it's hard to get a 1x12 to sound/feel like a 4x12 but when I saw your Princeton video I was blown away, both the Strat and LP videos. To my ears the DLS sounds better with my Strat than LP. It sounds pretty compressed and not open sounding with my Les Paul, if that makes sense.

I think the DLS sounds a lot better at 18V than 9V, in my testing. That has helped quite a bit. One thing I have found out is that the DLS really respects your guitar/pick-ups. My Strat has Vintage 57/62's in the neck/middle and a Duncan Lil '59 in the bridge.

I did stack my new Plum Crazy FX Sqauwk treble booster into the DLS just a little while ago and sounded pretty good. The Dirty Bomb into the DLS didn't do it for me. The SK Trinity did sound good into it, mostly more volume and a little bit of extra gain. I really want to work at getting the DLS to sound like it does in your videos, especially since my Rivera's clean channel is very Fender-like. Sorry for the rambling and thanks for your help :)

Nothing fancy was done in those videos. Guitar>DLS>PRRI
The PRRI had a good going over by Howard new tubes and a lot of breakin hours... His guitars are all killer though. Gibson R8, CS Fender Strat were the main ones. He used my AVRI Jazzmaster for a clip and I think he used his Gothic V too. For the GNR sound it was a 1988 LP with Alnico II's in it. Erksin played on that clip too with his Z90 equipt guitar. In full disclosure about the videos, I personally don't sound that good when I play through all that gear.
:D

I will give some more thought to your setup and see what I come up with.

[Artur_I_Tis]

I dare Purple to demo vid Rock Bottom, Space Child, and Doctor Doctor with the PRRI, DLS, goth V, and wah of choice! I tripple dog dare him!

OK, asking is not my forte.

[Purple]

I dare Purple to demo vid Rock Bottom, Space Child, and Doctor Doctor with the PRRI, DLS, goth V, and wah of choice! I tripple dog dare him!

OK, asking is not my forte.

hahah those are good riffs! :JAM



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[Artur_I_Tis]

hahah those are good riffs! :JAM



http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/kittycaster/Emoticons/th1zyajyt.gif

I'm amending the dare! I forgot the appropriate reverb/echo. I dare you to nail the tone, then beat it! I have to admit, Schenker's rhythm sound on Phenomenon is not as good as his lead tone, but, the band masks that. Hehehhehehee.....

[erksin]

I'm amending the dare! I forgot the appropriate reverb/echo. I dare you to nail the tone, then beat it! I have to admit, Schenker's rhythm sound on Phenomenon is not as good as his lead tone, but, the band masks that. Hehehhehehee.....

Purple has this one V (three of them actually) that just NAILS the Schenker stuff. Amazing guitar.

[Lt_Core]

Nothing fancy was done in those videos. Guitar>DLS>PRRI
The PRRI had a good going over by Howard new tubes and a lot of breakin hours... His guitars are all killer though. Gibson R8, CS Fender Strat were the main ones. He used my AVRI Jazzmaster for a clip and I think he used his Gothic V too. For the GNR sound it was a 1988 LP with Alnico II's in it. Erksin played on that clip too with his Z90 equipt guitar. In full disclosure about the videos, I personally don't sound that good when I play through all that gear.
:D

I will give some more thought to your setup and see what I come up with.

I know Howard is a killer player but when he hits that first chord on his Strat with the DLS it sounds awesome. I'm getting closer to that sound. Took away the Ninja boost on the clean channel. I increased the Loudness knob and that seemed to help a bit by driving my amp a bit further. Tone is around noon and Gain is around 1 o'clock. Not giving up on this pedal :)

[Turnipfarmer]

Purple has this one V (three of them actually) that just NAILS the Schenker stuff. Amazing guitar.

does Purple work for Catalinbread?

[TREV FLINT]

Can anyone please help me with the wiring on this please. I have a SPDT mini switch that I want to wire up with the .005 cap for the mod.

Here is a diagram: Thanks
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj117/trevflint/DLS.jpg

[coot tone]

My wife just called and said their mailman at work somehow ended up with a package for me on his route...it's my Purple DLS w/ the new mod (hopefully). So it's at her business now....I've got to take my mother to a doctor's appointment in ten minutes then after we're done for with that I'll be burning rubber to her business to pick up the DLS.

Now I have to reread the latter portions of this thread and/or Nick's blog to figure out the pros and cons of the slider switch on the board...uhhhh....up or down?

[musickbox]

So ... DLS.... before the pre-amp or effects loop? Generally I put overdrives and distortions before the pre-amp.

[Sokar]

Hey Catalinbread guys. I just emailed you but thought I would post the question I had here too in case someone else knew.

I was going to buy either the Snuffer Water Blue or White pedal from Tonefactor but I was wondering if what they had in stock have the bright cap mod installed.

Thanks.

[todd richman]

Good lord-I started this thread on 1-11-09 and it now has 856 replies. Still I do not have a DLS and have no room on my board for one! Ironic!!

[Lt_Core]

Good lord-I started this thread on 1-11-09 and it now has 856 replies. Still I do not have a DLS and have no room on my board for one! Ironic!!

Hahaha! Always nice to hear from the OP...you should get one :)

[Purple]

I'm amending the dare! I forgot the appropriate reverb/echo. I dare you to nail the tone, then beat it! I have to admit, Schenker's rhythm sound on Phenomenon is not as good as his lead tone, but, the band masks that. Hehehhehehee.....

So where is this dare coming from? I love his playing/tones too..... but..... who the heck are ya?! :wave

[Artur_I_Tis]

Purple has this one V (three of them actually) that just NAILS the Schenker stuff. Amazing guitar.

Alright then, let's up the ante. Do it with a ukulele!

[tjmicsak]

Looking to do the two rev mods on a switch.
I am trying to find the caps but they are hard to find.
I would like the values of 5100 pf and 150 pf
Any direction to a source would be greatly appreciated.
These are odd values and not carried by small bear

[todd richman]

I really have no room on my L.A. Sound Design board and I love what I have on there now. I hate having extra pedals around-I start daydreaming about doing a second smaller board which inevitably grows to a second large board and I do not have an extra 5K laying around right now. I want a few more guitars before another board.

[Purple]

Looking to do the two rev mods on a switch.
I am trying to find the caps but they are hard to find.
I would like the values of 5100 pf and 150 pf
Any direction to a source would be greatly appreciated.
These are odd values and not carried by small bear

Did you try 5000pf and 100pf and not like it?

If not, I'd just start there. Or you could build the values with two caps....

[tjmicsak]

I was going by the threads that were saying something just above 5000 and between 100-200 pf so that is what I am trying for. I was wondering what the standard values going in the revissions were?

[Artur_I_Tis]

So where is this dare coming from? I love his playing/tones too..... but..... who the heck are ya?! :wave

Just Another Grasshopper, Seeking Teh Pedal With Teh Tone


I thought that being able to do THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgugGgmI_Tw) with just a little amp, guitar, dirt box, and wah(I read he left it on in one position all the time), or no wah, would be a great test for a pedal modeled on early Marshall amps. He covers clean to thick and biting singing leads all with volume/tone knobs there, on the neck pickup, from what I can tell. Hell, that would be a great test for any dirt pedal.

[Purple]

Just Another Grasshopper, Seeking Teh Pedal With Teh Tone


I thought that being able to do THIS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgugGgmI_Tw) with just a little amp, guitar, dirt box, and wah(I read he left it on in one position all the time), or no wah, would be a great test for a pedal modeled on early Marshall amps. He covers clean to thick and biting singing leads all with volume/tone knobs there, on the neck pickup, from what I can tell. Hell, that would be a great test for any dirt pedal.

Nice! I was listening to the album version after seeing your post.

I'll see what I can do......
:wave

[Brad J]

Here you go Trev


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y108/El_Dijevieto/DLS.jpg

[Turnipfarmer]

Purple, why don't you put your Catlinbread affiliations in your sig?

[Brad J]

Looking to do the two rev mods on a switch.
I am trying to find the caps but they are hard to find.
I would like the values of 5100 pf and 150 pf
Any direction to a source would be greatly appreciated.
These are odd values and not carried by small bear

to get 5100pf wire a 5000pf and 100pf in parallel (or 4700pf & 330pf etc)

[Ken]

to get 5100pf wire a 5000pf and 100pf in series (or 4700pf & 330pf etc)

Actually for Capacitors they should be wired in Parallel.

[Brad J]

Actually for Capacitors they should be wired in Parallel.

Right you are! I wasnt thinking right as I'd actually wired 2 10n caps in series to get 5n, going up is parallel, think I'll go back to bed for a while ;)

[coot tone]

Got my purple DLS today and am loving it (at least in the 15 minutes I got to play with it so far).

QUESTION for the Catalinbread folks.

When looking at the board with the battery at the bottom, my slider switch is to the right. Is that the normal or modded position?

I didn't have time to play with it yet to figure it out myself, I just stuck a battery in, fired it up, and felt like Angus Young/Nigel Tufnel only through a Fender Deluxe! Very impressive!

[Artur_I_Tis]

Nice! I was listening to the album version after seeing your post.

I'll see what I can do......
:wave

Looking forward to it!

Incidentally, the sound of mopar orange (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zko7pBeHkk&feature=related)?

[TREV FLINT]

Ok, with the help of fellow board memebers "ptdesign" and "Brad J" I have finished the mod with a switch. I used a .005 cap. I might try a slightly higher value - this one seems a tad to bright--but I will experiment with the way it is for a while. It sure makes a difference on lower gain settings, brings out more clarity.

Oh yeah, I am really amazed at how good this pedal sounds at 18 volts. I have been using it at 9 volts since I got it and just switched to 18 volt--big difference. Such a great pedal! Everytime I play it I hear Angus Young-very cool!
here are some pics. Hey Catalinbread, I like the Einstein quotes!(my pic is blurry so you may feel drunk when trying to read the quote:messedup)
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj117/trevflint/DSCN1139.jpghttp://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj117/trevflint/DSCN1138.jpg

[coot tone]

I agree with Trev Flint....if you like Angus, you MUST own this pedal.

[lux_interior]

Good lord-I started this thread on 1-11-09 and it now has 856 replies. Still I do not have a DLS and have no room on my board for one! Ironic!!

It is a thread that has lots of very interesting info, but unfortunately they are not sorted out - it's just a huge mass of pages. I think Catalinbread should set up their own forum... in this way all of these could be easily accessible (mods, technical info, impressions, revision updates, Custom Shop releases etc - of course, there is no one that would be able to sort this huge thread for that info and repost it into a new Catalinbread forum, but it would be a start).

It also serves as a get-together of DLS owners, and I see other Catalinbread fans and customers (like me) that would like that space... Plus, there are lots of things to discuss about the other pedals in the new series...

[catalinbread]

It is a thread that has lots of very interesting info, but unfortunately they are not sorted out - it's just a huge mass of pages. I think Catalinbread should set up their own forum... in this way all of these could be easily accessible (mods, technical info, impressions, revision updates, Custom Shop releases etc). It also serves as a get-together of DLS owners, and I see other Catalinbread fans and customers (like me) that would like that space... Plus, there are lots of things to discuss about the other pedals in the new series...


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I will talk to Derek about setting something like this up!

This thread is about to self-destruct from TGP anyway...

[jb1911]

It is a thread that has lots of very interesting info, but unfortunately they are not sorted out - it's just a huge mass of pages. I think Catalinbread should set up their own forum... in this way all of these could be easily accessible (mods, technical info, impressions, revision updates, Custom Shop releases etc - of course, there is no one that would be able to sort this huge thread for that info and repost it into a new Catalinbread forum, but it would be a start).

It also serves as a get-together of DLS owners, and I see other Catalinbread fans and customers (like me) that would like that space... Plus, there are lots of things to discuss about the other pedals in the new series...


I think a better idea would be for them to keep building pedals. JMO, of course.:D

[lux_interior]

Well, I understand they have little time to handle everything, let alone a busy forum. But it's not unheard of: many pedal/pickup etc makers have their own forums, like ZVex, Bare Knuckle, Seymour Duncan, DAM, Electroharmonix, BJF etc. And if they need some help with moderators, they can ask for volunteers like Electroharmonix did a few months ago while setting up their own forum...

[ptdesign]

Ok, with the help of fellow board memebers "ptdesign" and "Brad J" I have finished the mod with a switch. I used a .005 cap. I might try a slightly higher value - this one seems a tad to bright--but I will experiment with the way it is for a while. It sure makes a difference on lower gain settings, brings out more clarity.

Oh yeah, I am really amazed at how good this pedal sounds at 18 volts. I have been using it at 9 volts since I got it and just switched to 18 volt--big difference. Such a great pedal! Everytime I play it I hear Angus Young-very cool!
here are some pics. Hey Catalinbread, I like the Einstein quotes!(my pic is blurry so you may feel drunk when trying to read the quote:messedup)
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj117/trevflint/DSCN1139.jpghttp://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj117/trevflint/DSCN1138.jpg
On the populated side of the board there's one more Einstein quote for ya: "The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination"

I too love Angus and the DLS is the best I've had at copping a balls out Marshall without too much gain to blur the nuance.

Trev, 5600p will tame that brightness a bit for ya.

[tonymcbony]

1 word, 2 syllables.

Kickass.

[coot tone]

As Ed McMahon would say, "You are CORRRRRRECT, sir!!!

:drink

HOWEVER; I still haven't had the time to figure out which way the slider switch goes to activate the mod...left or right when looking down at the board with the pedal positioned with the battery at the bottom. Reason: too friggging busy to have even had another chance to plug it in and try it!

MIKE or NICK-which way is the mod "activated"?

[jb1911]

1 word, 2 syllables.

Kickass.

Actually, that's two words with one syllable each.

[ptdesign]

As Ed McMahon would say, "You are CORRRRRRECT, sir!!!

:drink

HOWEVER; I still haven't had the time to figure out which way the slider switch goes to activate the mod...left or right when looking down at the board with the pedal positioned with the battery at the bottom. Reason: too friggging busy to have even had another chance to plug it in and try it!

MIKE or NICK-which way is the mod "activated"?

You will notice a obvious gain / volume boost with the mod engaged.

[TenneyThe2nd]

Actually, that's two words with one syllable each.

Actually, I think it's one compound word with two syllables.

[erksin]

You will notice a obvious gain / volume boost with the mod engaged.

Correct. :beer

[Meriphew]

So does Tonefactor have the new version of the DLS now?

[catalinbread]

So does Tonefactor have the new version of the DLS now?


Yep, but they keep selling out. :o

[catalinbread]

Play this pedal @ 18V folks!!! :phones

[solphilcox]

this pedal is absolutely ridiculous.

i don't think i will ever move mine from my board!


had to revive this thread to page 1, major props to catalinbread :D

[catalinbread]

this pedal is absolutely ridiculous.

i don't think i will ever move mine from my board!


had to revive this thread to page 1, major props to catalinbread :D


Thank you for the props!

[theatomicjeff]

I'm digging it more and more. It dethroned my beloved OCD.

[ianb]

I'm digging it more and more. It dethroned my beloved OCD.

I gigged last night using the DLS for the first time, it also kicked my OCD off my board. Great sound, using it in rock setting, medium gain 12:00, loudness and tone around 11:00. Nice open singing sound.

My version is probably (haven't opened it up) the first one, so I'm considering trying the mod. But running on 18v. so far I haven't noticed a lack of gain or volume.

If the rev 2 mod really makes it brighter, it might actually become too bright for me, I run it through my BF Fenders already breaking up. If it got a touch fatter and warmer, I certainly wouldn't mind that.

So I would like to hear some more experiences with the mod before proceding.

Anyone?

[lux_interior]

If the rev 2 mod really makes it brighter, it might actually become too bright for me, I run it through my BF Fenders already breaking up. If it got a touch fatter and warmer, I certainly wouldn't mind that.

Ι am exactly at the same situation (well, almost). I haven't received my DLS yet - I am expecting it in two weeks - hopefully. The thing is that I am also playing with a similar bright setup: my Mesa Boogie Mark IIa combo on 60Watts - clean channel, having a warm but mainly bright, almost hi-fi sound on the verge of a tiny crunch. I am afraid that the DLS will not sit well on such a bright setup, especially with the original EV speaker's merciless mids. And I wouldn't like to ruin the fine balance - EQ-wise - that I've found on my touch-responsive clean rhythm sound (and God knows it takes ages to find on a Boogie!!).

So the question is: will the new DLS revision model fit in that setup, or should I look for a model without the mod? Or does the new model already have an internal dip switch to choose the desired sound? I am a little confused with all the info in this huge thread, so I apologise if it has been mentioned before...

[todd richman]

I am also looking forward to the SFT-if it nails the Stones tones from the early -mid 70's that would be an amazing pedal.

[ianb]

Ι am exactly at the same situation (well, almost). I haven't received my DLS yet - I am expecting it in two weeks - hopefully. The thing is that I am also playing with a similar bright setup: my Mesa Boogie Mark IIa combo on 60Watts - clean channel, having a warm but mainly bright, almost hi-fi sound on the verge of a tiny crunch. I am afraid that the DLS will not sit well on such a bright setup, especially with the original EV speaker's merciless mids. And I wouldn't like to ruin the fine balance - EQ-wise - that I've found on my touch-responsive clean rhythm sound (and God knows it takes ages to find on a Boogie!!).

So the question is: will the new DLS revision model fit in that setup, or should I look for a model without the mod? Or does the new model already have an internal dip switch to choose the desired sound? I am a little confused with all the info in this huge thread, so I apologise if it has been mentioned before...

Lux,

If I understand correctly. the new version will give you the choice between the original DLS voicing and also the newer voicing as an option. So probably no need to find an older version.

I ordered mine a month ago. it just got in a few days ago (customs, d*** them!) so I'm pretty sure it doesn't have the mod option. So the only way I could try it is to get out the soldering iron, and before I do that, I want to hear more about what it does.

Again, anyone have some more info on what effect the mod has, other than more volume and gain (which I don't need)?

[fuzzfan1]

I'm digging it more and more. It dethroned my beloved OCD.
+1 The DLS booted the OCD off of my board as well. Prior to the DLS' arrival, an achievement I thought impossible. One of the few pedals that actually deserves all the hype and props it receives. And as Nic has said, if you haven't tried your DLS @ 18V do yourself a favor and DO IT NOW! :aok

[coot tone]

I am also looking forward to the SFT-if it nails the Stones tones from the early -mid 70's that would be an amazing pedal.

I agree with Todd 1,000,000% on that one, and will be all over that bad boy...I can't remember, when will those be ready?

[coot tone]

I played thru my DLS last night for my daughter's boyfriend, who is a damn good bass player/guitar player and has great musical tastes for a 20 year old kid (Zep, Free, Wilco, Crowes, etc). He was really knocked out by its "Marshally" sound...as am I. I can't freaking WAIT to spring it on my bandmates.

We have a little game we play in our band...when someone gets a new piece of gear we never tell anybody in the band about it until practice...then we spring it on them there...always makes for some dropped jaws and interesting moments.

[Pappy]

I was able to compare my original DLS to a friend's modified DLS the other day. While I can see some people liking the added mids at lower gain settings, I personally preferred the tone of the original design more. Having the option on the new pedals is cool but I don't feel the need to upgrade at this time. BTW, I always run mine in ROCK mode with the volume at noon and gain between 11:00 & 12:00.

[In Tune]

I am also looking forward to the SFT-if it nails the Stones tones from the early -mid 70's that would be an amazing pedal.

Whats the SFT. Missed that.?:huh

[ecm1117]

We need clips of the mod! Anyone willing to make some?

[Meriphew]

Has anyone been using a T-Rex Fuel Tank Jr to power the DLS at 18 volts? I just ordered a DLS, but I need something to power it (along with a couple other pedals). I've heard that the Fuel Tank Jr might have some noise issues when powering @ 18 volts. Thx for any info.

[erksin]

Has anyone been using a T-Rex Fuel Tank Jr to power the DLS at 18 volts? I just ordered a DLS, but I need something to power it (along with a couple other pedals). I've heard that the Fuel Tank Jr might have some noise issues when powering @ 18 volts. Thx for any info.

I think that 18v noise issue was with the bigger FT which doesn't have isolated outs IIRC - the FTjr does.

[Meriphew]

Thx.

[erksin]

If you're going to run 18v using a Y-cable to bridge the 9v taps, you definitely want to use a power supply with isolated outs to avoid noise.

[todd richman]

The SFT is discussed briefly in the alt.country club thread and also on the catalinbread blog. It is supposed to nail the classic Ampeg sounds of the Stones 70's era and more. Erskin may be able to "shine more light" on this one.

[ianb]

I was able to compare my original DLS to a friend's modified DLS the other day. While I can see some people liking the added mids at lower gain settings, I personally preferred the tone of the original design more. Having the option on the new pedals is cool but I don't feel the need to upgrade at this time. BTW, I always run mine in ROCK mode with the volume at noon and gain between 11:00 & 12:00.

Pappy,

Thanks for sharing your impressions. More mids, huh?

[Artur_I_Tis]

No new Purple Vidz?

[jb1911]

The SFT is discussed briefly in the alt.country club thread and also on the catalinbread blog. It is supposed to nail the classic Ampeg sounds of the Stones 70's era and more. Erskin may be able to "shine more light" on this one.

This is a DLS thread and I don't ever want it to die, start an FST thread.

:D

[ptdesign]

My camera dosn't have the greatest mic, and I aint no Purple. But I can make a vid showing the mod on a 3 way switch 5000p /stock / 100p

Also the original DPDT split so you can have the gain of RAWK with the EQ of Rock and visa versa.

Viva el DLS

[jb1911]

If you're going to run 18v using a Y-cable to bridge the 9v taps, you definitely want to use a power supply with isolated outs to avoid noise.

I can attest to this. I had it on a daisy chain plugged into one of the outlets on my PP2 and there was a definite hum. Pretty loud one, too. I had a pretty bad snarl going on under there because I was trying some different pedals on my board and I put it on the daisy chain by accident. Took me a while to figure out why it was humming. I put it on it's own cable and no hum at all.

[Purple]

bewbz

[todd richman]

jb1911-remember I started this DLS thread!!! I am just letting the folks now that another winner is on the horizon for C-Bread. Different than the DLS but from the word on the street really cool too.

[coot tone]

todd, did you ever get a DLS?

[ianb]

todd, did you ever get a DLS?

Yeah, I wanna know too!

After all Todd, you are personally responsible for starting 61 pages of digital mayhem........

:D

[zerorez]

Heres a question for Nic, Howard or Erskin?

I just saw the preview of the SFT on catalinbread, has anyone tried stacking it with the DLS?:D

I realize it is still in the proto stage.

Thanks

[Purple]

Heres a question for Nic, Howard or Erskin?

I just saw the preview of the SFT on catalinbread, has anyone tried stacking it with the DLS?:D

I realize it is still in the proto stage.

Thanks

it's just a breadboard still, we did stack some books on top of it and that pretty much did it in. :jo

[zerorez]

it's just a breadboard still, we did stack some books on top of it and that pretty much did it in. :jo

:rotflmao

[Purple]

:rotflmao

my take on the SFT in a nutshell...

bass: james jamerson to twiggy ramirez

guitar: keef richards to josh homme

[todd richman]

No-I actually do not have any room on the L.A. Sound board for any more pedals and I do not want to swap anything out. I will probably get an SFT though-I am a Stones/Faces/Crowes glutton.

[Artur_I_Tis]

bewbz

You don't need those to make Vidz. But you could wear a pair of big fake red bewbz over you shirt, and dress in blue. Then filter out all the blue. The result: Big Red Bewbz playing guitar. I see $500 DLS in Catalinbreads future.

[coot tone]

I'll definitely get the SFT...can I have one tomorrow?

:rimshot

[jb1911]

jb1911-remember I started this DLS thread!!! I am just letting the folks now that another winner is on the horizon for C-Bread. Different than the DLS but from the word on the street really cool too.

If it sounds like Keef, I want one. :JAM

[Purple]

You don't need those to make Vidz. But you could wear a pair of big fake red bewbz over you shirt, and dress in blue. Then filter out all the blue. The result: Big Red Bewbz playing guitar. I see $500 DLS in Catalinbreads future.

boobies

[catalinbread]

You don't need those to make Vidz. But you could wear a pair of big fake red bewbz over you shirt, and dress in blue. Then filter out all the blue. The result: Big Red Bewbz playing guitar. I see $500 DLS in Catalinbreads future.

Then I could mess with the green screening! :banana

[Artur_I_Tis]

Udderly fantastic!

EDIT: Inside Cover, Q.O.T.S.A

[lux_interior]

Lux,

If I understand correctly. the new version will give you the choice between the original DLS voicing and also the newer voicing as an option. So probably no need to find an older version.

I ordered mine a month ago. it just got in a few days ago (customs, d*** them!) so I'm pretty sure it doesn't have the mod option.

Thanks for the answer! I'm also waiting for my purple one - I ordered it through De Gier quite some time ago... have they arrived already??!?

The SFT QOTSA reference is interesting, and I remember Nicholas saying that the SCOD also came after a prolonged exposure to Kyuss... :D Funnily enough, it's not my first choice for those sounds, but it's always there to help me get lots of others.

[Purple]

Thanks for the answer! I'm also waiting for my purple one - I ordered it through De Gier quite some time ago... have they arrived already??!?

The SFT QOTSA reference is interesting, and I remember Nicholas saying that the SCOD also came after a prolonged exposure to Kyuss... :D Funnily enough, it's not my first choice for those sounds, but it's always there to help me get lots of others.

Actually, I think it was Miley Cyrus, not Kyuss. :p

[coot tone]

I give big props to the Catalinbread guys...they answered every question we threw at them, for me they're up there with my boys Geoffrey Teese, Paul C, Analogman Mike, and Alex Anest at PCE.

Way to go Catalinbread guys!

:dude

[Scott Peterson]

Thread moved back to Pedals.

Folks are contacted to disclose their affiliations with manufacturers and I am in contact with the manufacturer about who is affiliated.

We need to have folks note that they are affiliated.

Now back to topic please. Thank you.

[coot tone]

Thanks, Scott, for the clarification. TGP rocks.

I feel compelled to disclose that I am affiliated only with a compulsion for great TONE!!!

TGP helps me get there! Thanks again, Scott.

[erksin]

Awesome - so all my posts were deleted?

[Scott Peterson]

Awesome - so all my posts were deleted?

No, just the BS back and forth that have nothing to do with the OP's topic.

If you have an issue, please take it to PM with me right now. The amount of time and effort to get folks to simply disclose their affiliations here is becoming a distraction and the chest thumping over bias this way or that is tiresome.

For the record, I don't have nor have ever used a Catlinbread pedal. I have no dog in this hunt. I want common courtesy and folks to be civil on TGP. The rest of this is not my fight and I want it to be dropped on the public boards now.

If you have an issue, please contact me via PM or via email. I'm not hard to find or get in touch with. The gamesmanship and cross posting on other threads to harass moderators stops too.

Now back to topic. Please, and it's the last time I am going to ask about it. This needs to cease.

[erksin]

PMd.

[Scott Peterson]

Back to topic now please.

Thank you.

[russv]

woah, what went on here.

This pedal sounds damn good, with or without mod. It brings the rawk for me, through a Gibson Falcon.

[theinteriorleag]

woah, what went on here.

This pedal sounds damn good, with or without mod. It brings the rawk for me, through a Gibson Falcon.

with or without moderation or modification? :banana

[russv]

with or without moderation or modification? :bananamodification, the DLS needs no moderation, it is goes against the idea of bringing the :rockin

[Lt_Core]

Favorite settings for a Strat through a clean channel amp?

[jb1911]

Favorite settings for a Strat through a clean channel amp?

I usually turn the gain knob to where it's about the gain level I'm looking for, then I turn the volume knob to the volume level I want, then the tone knob until the tone sounds good to me. That's pretty much all I can contribute.

[mgarrison99]

Sounds fantastic stacked with my Kanji!
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u53/mgarrison99/Effects/Pedalboards/DSC04575.jpg

[russv]

I usually turn the gain knob to where it's about the gain level I'm looking for, then I turn the volume knob to the volume level I want, then the tone knob until the tone sounds good to me. That's pretty much all I can contribute.
:rotflmao

[jb1911]

Sounds fantastic stacked with my Kanji!
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u53/mgarrison99/Effects/Pedalboards/DSC04575.jpg

I tried that combo a couple of weeks ago and you are correct.:rockin

[Lt_Core]

I usually turn the gain knob to where it's about the gain level I'm looking for, then I turn the volume knob to the volume level I want, then the tone knob until the tone sounds good to me. That's pretty much all I can contribute.

LMAO! Alrighty, thanks for the help. Hahaha!

I reversed my thinking a little bit on this pedal from where I used to have it set. I turned the gain down from 4 o'clock to around 1 o'clock and turned up the Loudness from 9 o'clock to about noon or so. That really seemed to open the pedal up some more with my Strat. Now it's a pretty good foundation to my Silver Kiss Trinity and my Cool Cat Drive. Going to gig with these settings this weekend and see how it turns out.

[Zero G]

So what's the scoop? Are all DLS's going to have this new mod from now on?

[catalinbread]

So what's the scoop? Are all DLS's going to have this new mod from now on?


Though I appreciate your interest and support, I must refrain from answer questions here. I do not wish to violate the spam policy of TGP. You can contact Mike erksin@catalinbread.com or myself at nicholas@catalinbread.com Thanks!

Edit: I spoke with Scott (many thanks for your time, Scott) who made it clear what is and isn't OK for me to do on here. I was mistaken, Erksin and I can and will be available on TGP. :D

All DLS that shipped the 2nd week of June will have a switch on the PCB so that you can go between the more aggressive 5000pF cap and the more chill value.

[jb1911]

LMAO! Alrighty, thanks for the help. Hahaha!

I reversed my thinking a little bit on this pedal from where I used to have it set. I turned the gain down from 4 o'clock to around 1 o'clock and turned up the Loudness from 9 o'clock to about noon or so. That really seemed to open the pedal up some more with my Strat. Now it's a pretty good foundation to my Silver Kiss Trinity and my Cool Cat Drive. Going to gig with these settings this weekend and see how it turns out.

I find that most ODs sound the best when the volume is up and the gain is down.

[theinteriorleag]

Though I appreciate your interest and support, I must refrain from answer questions here. I do not wish to violate the spam policy of TGP. You can contact Mike erksin@catalinbread.com or myself at nicholas@catalinbread.com Thanks!

Sometimes I think it would be fun to have your babies, but I've no box for the fetus to gestate. :dunno Could I get a minty one from you?

I can't imagine the DLS sounding better, but I'm still going to try the mod.

[Bobby D]

i'm gonna record some clips tonite with the DLS running into THESE amps

epicness will be achieved :rockin

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/lvxnova/hiwatt.jpg

[jazzandmetal?]

i'm gonna record some clips tonite with the DLS running into THESE amps

epicness will be achieved :rockin

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/lvxnova/hiwatt.jpg

Upon looking at that rig, it is now obvious to me that you have no need for and should send me your Model H.:banana

[Bobby D]

Upon looking at that rig, it is now obvious to me that you have no need for and should send me your Model H.:banana

oh man, i wish that was my rig -- that's george scholz's rig, and it also has a bradshaw system and full set of effects that are almost exact to gilmour specs. :rockin

those are RARE harry joyce slaves, each 100 watts....then a hiwatt 100 bass amp on far right....amp on TOP of left 100 watt HJ slave is the new Scholz Gs-100 high gain 100 watt head, which we will be delving into tonite.

and i don't have a model H, just got to play one for the tourbox :(

heh.....but i am lucky, george has agreed to let me use his shop and amps for all my upcoming pedal demos and other silly nonsense.....

we gonna have FUN tonite....on my way now!

[alnico2]

My son came over to jam tonight and was rockin the DLS to some Goverment Mule. Sounded mighty fine indeed!

[tonefordays]

This thread has been robbed of all viable delivery.

[Bobby D]

ummmmmm....the DLS tonite STOLE THE SHOW at George's place. several other local guitarists were there, and we were demoing George's new GS-100 high gain tube head.

the DLS is the ONLY pedal out of several dozen that newarkwilder and i have brought to George's place that he really liked. The Skreddy Mayo caught George's ear....but the DLS impressed him so much HE WANTS TO BUY ONE. he is one tough customer when it comes to pedals, and i was blown away that he actually WANTS one....

demo is uploading now......check my youtube later tonite if you wanna see it!

[jb1911]

This thread has been robbed of all viable delivery.

Yeah, it was my favorite thread on TGP, now it sucks.

:cry:

[mgarrison99]

Looks like new ones are shipped with the mod. Here is what I found from their site (and no, I am not affiliated with them but love the pedal!):
Thursday, June 11, 2009

The Dirty Little Secret Bright Cap Secrets.



In our quest to constantly improve our pedals we have two streams of feedback, our customers and our mind numbingly hyperactive curiosity.

Some customers said they'd like a bit more gain from the DLS. We find the DLS has enough gain to cop the mid-era Marshall sound pretty well and didn't want to add more if it meant killing the lowest gain and CLEAN UP character.

A few others said they found the DLS a bit too bright with the GAIN rolled back. We find this is true with bright amps like a Fender Deluxe Reverb w/ the bright cap intact. But not so true into amps which the highend is more reserved.

Overall not enough folks were saying these things for a modification or Rev #2 to be warranted... Until today. My co-designer Howard (and talented guitarist in many of our Youtube videos (http://www.youtube.com/catalinbread)) came into the shop today and said, "dude, so I was reading a bit more about the Marshall bright cap values. Turns out there is some wisdom in the 5000pF treble bleed cap in there afterall. I am going to try it in the new DLS boards that just arrived." A few minutes later he fired it up and holy wow did it ever smoke! So after much discussion we realized that this is why some Marshalls have a 200pF and lower or 5000pF and higher. Any value 200pF and lower had a darker gain character with a bit of "air" on the top end. Everything from above 200pF to around 5000pF brings out the nasty harshness that nobody wants. Above 5000pF it is a glorious powerful rewarding sound. This was a bit counter-intuitive to us because in our experiments we hated anything above 200pF and assumed a ridiculously higher value would bring even more fail... It's those MIDDLE values you want to avoid. This wisdom can be applied to your REAL amp too.

So we came up with this mod for you to try if you feel you'd like to tune to your personal taste! If you are the happy owner of the first 500 DLS made your circuit board will look something like this:

http://www.catalinbread.com/odds/uploaded_images/sm024-736177.jpg (http://www.catalinbread.com/odds/uploaded_images/sm024-736215.jpg)

Identify lugs 1 & 2 on your DLS GAIN pot (in the red outline).


And solder a 5000pF cap across 1 & 2. We used a greenie in this example which sounds great in this application. But we encourage you to experiment with ceramic or silver mica. You will find they each have their own character and merit depending on taste and application. Of course try different values. Howard and I have noted values from 100pF to 200pF and in one amp a built value of about 5100pF for the same year/era of amp!

http://www.catalinbread.com/odds/uploaded_images/025sm-782114.jpg (http://www.catalinbread.com/odds/uploaded_images/025sm-782157.jpg)

A 5000pF greenie wired up!


Once again we encourage you to tune to your tastes. I am hesitant to make this offer since my time is very limited but if you'd rather not do this work and would prefer us to do it please contact me nicholas (a) catalinbread.com with the subject "DLS mod request". The charge will be $5 parts and labor and $5 return shipping. THIS MOD CANNOT be made switchable. So if you like it as is, I suggest keeping it that way.

If you are the owner of a DLS purchased after week of June 8th 2009 AND yours has a black slider switch on the board chances are your DLS shipped with this update AND it is switchable to the earlier version if you prefer. If there is any question, set your gain, loudness, and tone to noon and flip the slider switch. The difference between on and off should be VERY dramatic. Contact me nicholas (a) catalinbread.com if there is any question.

[Artur_I_Tis]

What does "a bit of "air" on the top end" mean?

[ptdesign]

Do you need the modded DLS?

Here's some observations after modding.

The 5000pf mod in rock mode:
Much more gain and vol. available.
Tighter low end.
Brighter and smoother top end.
Edgier cleans with enhanced harmonic content.

150pf in rock mode (mine has a 3 way mod switch 5000 /stock/ 150)
A hair more gain, volume and bite.
Tighter low end.
A bit more chime (air)

5000pf mod in Rawk mode:
Ton of gain (even with the gain off it crunches hard)
Tighter and crisper low end.
overall brighter sound.

150pf in Rawk mode:
Brighter and tighter
Makes Rawk more useable for me.

I also split the dpdt that selects Rawk and rock
(one half gain, the other EQ shift) I think C-bread
is offering this eventually in the deluxe ver.

Both Rock and Rawk benifit from the option of selecting the others EQ. There are no redundent sounds I can find.
I still use stock Rock mode with the gain at noon the most.

As if it wasn't good enough stock! (it was) This thing is a monster now and has left me with a board consisting of 4 pedals,
Pitch Black > Mini-Boner > DLS > Carbon Copy. After the mods my OCD kinda took a hike.

Cheers to Nick, Howard and Bobby :drink

[Artur_I_Tis]

I love chime! Toss Purple back into the dungeon! Time to make fresh vidz!

[playthecray]

Are there any sound clips available with the modded pedal?

[tonymcbony]

I was wondering if the 5000pf mod idea would work with an ac30cc? I just the bright cap mod where you remove a 120pf cap...was wondering if it would work if I put a 5000pf in its place?

[catalinbread]

Do you need the modded DLS?

Here's some observations after modding.

The 5000pf mod in rock mode:
Much more gain and vol. available.
Tighter low end.
Brighter and smoother top end.
Edgier cleans with enhanced harmonic content.

150pf in rock mode (mine has a 3 way mod switch 5000 /stock/ 150)
A hair more gain, volume and bite.
Tighter low end.
A bit more chime (air)

5000pf mod in Rawk mode:
Ton of gain (even with the gain off it crunches hard)
Tighter and crisper low end.
overall brighter sound.

150pf in Rawk mode:
Brighter and tighter
Makes Rawk more useable for me.

I also split the dpdt that selects Rawk and rock
(one half gain, the other EQ shift) I think C-bread
is offering this eventually in the deluxe ver.

Both Rock and Rawk benifit from the option of selecting the others EQ. There are no redundent sounds I can find.
I still use stock Rock mode with the gain at noon the most.

As if it wasn't good enough stock! (it was) This thing is a monster now and has left me with a board consisting of 4 pedals,
Pitch Black > Mini-Boner > DLS > Carbon Copy. After the mods my OCD kinda took a hike.

Cheers to Nick, Howard and Bobby :drink


Nah we won't be doing the split toggle thing in the future. That was an FS.o adaptation to the DLS circuit. It is a pretty cool idea... But I think a second switch for the post bass would be a more powerful switch to add. Again not something we're interested in doing for production or speculative "deluxe" models. I think we nailed the sounds we were aiming for with the control surface we initially included. Plus, I like the pedal with 3 knobs, a toggle, and PCB bright switch (since folks will probably gravitate one way or the other depending on their rig and taste). Thanks for your personal investment in this circuit, man.
:cool:

[Artur_I_Tis]

(since folks will probably gravitate one way or the other depending on their rig and taste).

The only time I do that with a pedal is when I'm trying to eek out some usable sound out of a pedal. Well, eek may be an exageration. For instance my Marshall Guv'nor 2+ and Russian Big Muff Pi, I get one good sound out of each of them and they cost less than $80 and they're common fare: high compression, high gain, poor volume knob control, roll treble off to cut fizz, etc. I get one good sound out of them, but, you know my collection could use some other sounds.

If a piece of gear has a bunch of good sounds then I want a command module for it. I think the Barber Small Fry could use a redesign for more user friendliness.

[mgarrison99]

TGPers; For what it's worth, I installed a 0.0047uF (4700pF) ceramic cap last night and played it for a while. Definitely gets nasty quick as you turn the gain from 8 to 10. Pretty big jump within that range from subtle to over the top. Then, I removed the cap and tried it again. Turns out, the "magic" of the original circuit happens for me when the gain knob is up in that 8-10 territory, and the drive is smooth and creamy. So I'm sticking with the original circuit. Suits my taste better for the music I play.

[musickbox]

Any comparisons to the modded DLS to an old 80's Rat? I know they are different sounds in general, but I only kept the Rat because of higher gain and bigger bottom. The Rat also sustained a little better to my ears. I never go past noon on the Rat though. I really wanted to keep the original DLS but I couldn't keep both the Rat and DLS. I've had a Rat for years and I really want the Marshall sound I was looking for before settling on a Rat.

[catalinbread]

Any comparisons to the modded DLS to an old 80's Rat? I know they are different sounds in general, but I only kept the Rat because of higher gain and bigger bottom. The Rat also sustained a little better to my ears. I never go past noon on the Rat though. I really wanted to keep the original DLS but I couldn't keep both the Rat and DLS. I've had a Rat for years and I really want the Marshall sound I was looking for before settling on a Rat.


I have a early 80s Rat. Honestly, the Rat doesn't sound or respond very much like a Marshall or any other amp IMO. Maybe I have a bias against opamps and diode pedals... Even though my Rat sounds really good, it is far too plinky and immediate in response to be "amplike". Long story short, when you step on a Rat (even an old one) you know you're playing through a pedal, IMO.

[Sokar]

Catalinbread, I bet you're putting my pedal together right now, aren't you? I ordered it yesterday and I'm about to pee myself in anticipation.

I had the worst jam ever yesterday and I need a pick-me-up.

:cry:

[In Tune]

Catalinbread, I bet you're putting my pedal together right now, aren't you? I ordered it yesterday and I'm about to pee myself in anticipation.

I had the worst jam ever yesterday and I need a pick-me-up.

:cry:
Here ya go....:drink:drink:drink

[Sokar]

Thanks. I needed that.

We had a scale/shredder kiddie show up and my head still hurts. I refuse to tune down to D and play like I hate everybody and everything.

[musickbox]

I have a early 80s Rat. Honestly, the Rat doesn't sound or respond very much like a Marshall or any other amp IMO. Maybe I have a bias against opamps and diode pedals... Even though my Rat sounds really good, it is far too plinky and immediate in response to be "amplike". Long story short, when you step on a Rat (even an old one) you know you're playing through a pedal, IMO.

Yea, I agree. Which is why I am asking about the improvements about the DLS. I am hoping it does knock my Rat of the board. A pedal that sounds just as good for half the price? I am totally down for that.

I emailed Brad at Tone Factor if any of the ones he has in stock are the newer models.

[coot tone]

I just finally flipped the slider on mine that I received last week (Yes, I've been busy)...HOLY CRAP!

You guys are right, it does sound awesome in the "stock" mode!

It's a whole other ANIMAL in the "mod" mode, and I mean ANIMAL in the best sense....major stackibility, TOO!

GOD, it kicked ass paired with my Sunlion when it was in the "mod" mode.

Congrats Catalinbread boys and girls....you folks have created a legend!

[catalinbread]

I just finally flipped the slider on mine that I received last week (Yes, I've been busy)...HOLY CRAP!

You guys are right, it does sound awesome in the "stock" mode!

It's a whole other ANIMAL in the "mod" mode, and I mean ANIMAL in the best sense....major stackibility, TOO!

GOD, it kicked ass paired with my Sunlion when it was in the "mod" mode.

Congrats Catalinbread boys and girls....you folks have created a legend!


Wow thanks for that! You've made my day! :)

[coot tone]

You're welcome! The "new" DLS rocks!!!

[tonymcbony]

My one doesn't have the slider;
can someone briefly fill me in on the change in tone/gain by putting the mod on?

[Bobby D]

howard's "band of gypsies" DLS demo stands as the best pedal demo i have EVER heard. :rockin

i AM kinda fond of the one i did thru the scholz GS-100 and 4x12, it sounds HUGE.

but the great kittycaster and his sidekick Maya are the BEST!

man, i need to come visit portland......

[coot tone]

Louder, more gain, better, tighter bottom and mids...basically everything that's great about the original on steroids!

[Dale]

<sigh> This thread did it to me. I was not going to get another pedal. Now I have one ordered. I may need a third board.

[Meriphew]

I bought one of the new ones from Tonefactor.com (hopefully it will be shipping very soon, if it hasn't already). Is this slider an internal, or external switch (hoping it's external)?

[coot tone]

Internal, on the board.

[Meriphew]

Internal, on the board.

:( :(

[coot tone]

I'm sure the next gen slider will be external, if you wait long enough. Then we V2 owners will be (pick your custom color) with envy!

[Dale]

I ordered from TF as well. TF told me they are expected on Tue/Wed of next week.

What does the slider do?

[coot tone]

Refer to post 972 of this thread for my review.

[Tritone]

I just got my 2nd Dirty Little Secret in--the first was version 1, the new one has the mod. Here are my impressions:

The mod seems to add a more aggressive EQing and more gain. Everything sounds bigger, fatter and more authoritative (sorry for using such vague adjectives, but that's how it sounds to me!). On the other hand, it's much less transparent than the first version--it alters your basic tone more. The original version is better for just adding a little edge or bite, without changing the quality of your tone.

[coldfingaz]

I just got my 2nd Dirty Little Secret in--the first was version 1, the new one has the mod. Here are my impressions:

The mod seems to add a more aggressive EQing and more gain. Everything sounds bigger, fatter and more authoritative (sorry for using such vague adjectives, but that's how it sounds to me!). On the other hand, it's much less transparent than the first version--it alters your basic tone more. The original version is better for just adding a little edge or bite, without changing the quality of your tone.


Thanks for this post. I was guessing this could be the case, and I'm still very happy with my original version DLS. It adds enough color (definitely not too much), crunch and mojo for my tastes so I'll forgo the mod.

[coot tone]

Yeah, I'd be the first to admit that the original version had NOTHING wrong with it! It's not like they fixed a "problem" or anything.

Thanks for this post. I was guessing this could be the case, and I'm still very happy with my original version DLS. It adds enough color (definitely not too much), crunch and mojo for my tastes so I'll forgo the mod.

[Defendant]

Tried one a couple of days ago. Great pedal, though I was struck by how similar it sounded to my current Marshall emulator, the g2d classic. There were differences but they were VERY subtle. It'd be my choice if I was wanting to squeeze more space on my pt2. Of course, that would make it the fourth c-bread on my board...

[Lt_Core]

I reversed my thinking a little bit on this pedal from where I used to have it set. I turned the gain down from 4 o'clock to around 1 o'clock and turned up the Loudness from 9 o'clock to about noon or so. That really seemed to open the pedal up some more with my Strat. Now it's a pretty good foundation to my Silver Kiss Trinity and my Cool Cat Drive. Going to gig with these settings this weekend and see how it turns out.

I'm happy to report that I had a great gig using the DLS last night. I pulled the Loudness back to around 10 o'clock and gain around 1 o'clock. Sounded pretty good with my Strat, especially on the middle pickup of my Classic Players 50's Strat. We have 5 gigs in July and 4 in August so it's going to get a workout this summer. I didn't use my LP with it much. That's my goal during next week's two gigs.

[tonymcbony]

Tried one a couple of days ago. Great pedal, though I was struck by how similar it sounded to my current Marshall emulator, the g2d classic. There were differences but they were VERY subtle. It'd be my choice if I was wanting to squeeze more space on my pt2. Of course, that would make it the fourth c-bread on my board...

I totally agree. Having had both, I ended up with the DLS because it was smaller than the G2D. There wasn't a sound of the G2D I couldn't get with the DLS. I felt that the DLS had just a little more top end detail.


Wait a minute...I get the feeling I've told you this before :D

[NBarnes21]

Just ordered a Snuffer Water Blue DLS from Tonefactor. Can't wait to get it, the flabby low end on my Box Of Rock was really getting to me so I am looking forward to this.

[musickbox]

Take 2. I just ordered a pink DLS from Tone Factor. I'll report back on how the new mod sounds. Maybe make some clips.

[coot tone]

I was considering a Box of Rock at one time (still am) so I am really interested in how you think the DLS compares! Please be sure to report!

Just ordered a Snuffer Water Blue DLS from Tonefactor. Can't wait to get it, the flabby low end on my Box Of Rock was really getting to me so I am looking forward to this.

[musickbox]

I was considering a Box of Rock at one time (still am) so I am really interested in how you think the DLS compares! Please be sure to report!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASB8pooBulo

[catalinbread]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASB8pooBulo


That video doesn't represent the BOR or the DLS very well, IMO.

[Artur_I_Tis]

That video doesn't represent the BOR or the DLS very well, IMO.

I don't understand. It is what it is. But, I don't know what it is as I didn't see any info on the recording equipment or amp.

[catalinbread]

I don't understand. It is what it is. But, I don't know what it is as I didn't see any info on the recording equipment or amp.


Nick (the video dude) and I talked about the gear. I forget exactly what he was using... Though that guy needs some mojo right now, his father passed away this past week.

[lux_interior]

Nick (the video dude) and I talked about the gear. I forget exactly what he was using... Though that guy needs some mojo right now, his father passed away this past week.

I am very sorry to hear that. :(

[voojo]

I've got a purple DLS on order from the fine Catalinbread folks.

It's the version two, which can go from Dirty Little Secret to Filthy Big Secret!

Can't wait!

[RickB]

Holy crap! The DLS is going to need a "Part Two" thread as this has hit 1,000 posts. :rimshot

[Last Nerve]

Don't cross the streams!