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gerontius
01-28-2009, 06:58 AM
I really don't know which to buy... since i'm on a budget my two choices are Cort Source (335) and Yorktown (175... but smaller - a bit larger than Ibanez GB). I've tried many guitars in that price range, and Cort guitars are better built than Ibanez artcore models.

My favourite "non solidbody" players are benson, scofield, grant green, leo nocentelli, bireli lagrene and so on... i really dig benson's sound, but i'd like to use effects now and then,

So... do you think that with a 335-style guitar i could approach that full sound (i'd put flatwounds on that guitar)?

Thanks

P.S. I live in croatia so my options are limited compared to those of you who live in the US

fuzz_factor
01-28-2009, 12:34 PM
You might find this thread helpful:

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=481710

Waxhead
01-28-2009, 01:19 PM
I tested a lot of hollow bodied guitars last year.
By far the best ES-335 copy IMHO is the Epiphone Sheraton 11. Do a few modifications to it and you can't tell the difference between it and a real ES-335. This is my one. Cost $US450 on Ebay with hardcase. John Lee Hooker has used this guitar for years.

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd231/newysurfer/EpiSheraton21a.jpg
http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd231/newysurfer/EpiSheraton20a.jpg

If you want a hollow body for jazz I'd also highly recommend most of the Gretsch models. I used a Gretsch Jet 6131 in a traditional jazz band and it nailed the tone perfect. Gretsch are expensive but cheaper than an ES-335.

shadowbox
01-28-2009, 01:49 PM
I really don't know which to buy... since i'm on a budget my two choices are Cort Source (335) and Yorktown (175... but smaller - a bit larger than Ibanez GB). I've tried many guitars in that price range, and Cort guitars are better built than Ibanez artcore models.

My favourite "non solidbody" players are benson, scofield, grant green, leo nocentelli, bireli lagrene and so on... i really dig benson's sound, but i'd like to use effects now and then,

So... do you think that with a 335-style guitar i could approach that full sound (i'd put flatwounds on that guitar)?

Thanks

P.S. I live in croatia so my options are limited compared to those of you who live in the US

Have you looked at a Cort LC-1? This is Cort's Larry Coryell signature model...supposed to be versatile, although I can't speak from personal experience.

derekd
01-28-2009, 02:27 PM
Think it is pretty much an individual thing. I have had 335 clones in the past, and liked them, but nothing sounds like my ES175 to me. Even with flats, I just don't think you get out of a semihollow what you get with a fully hollow guitar.

However, some of my favorite players use 335 types, so again, play a bunch of both types and let your hands/ears tell you what to get. Happy hunting.

MartinPiana
01-28-2009, 04:48 PM
all of the guitar guys you mentioned liking have played 335-types except maybe benson. grant green ended up playing full hollow bodies, but a lot of his early '60s Blue Note stuff was with a Gibson thinline (I've forgotten which). so that would make me think a 335 is more what you're looking for. personally, i'd take whichever one played and sounded better, then try to bend it to my will. and i share a lot of your favorites. just because i learn sax solos on the guitar doesn't mean i want to sound like a saxophone....

bluegrif
01-28-2009, 05:50 PM
The short answer is yes, a 335 style thinline can approach that sound. But if you're after really traditional jazz tones, a fully hollow guitar will do it better. Think of a thinline as a sort bridge between a solidbody and a fully hollow guitar. That's what people are talking about when they say a 335 is the most versatile style of electric. It's not that it can cover all styles and sound like something it's not. It's just that it does a great job of offering a woody, airy tone as well as being able to cover the kinds of things a solid can do. Like play at high volume with gain and resist feedback. Also the thinlines are an easy transition for someone used to a solidbody. Easy upper fret access, similar playing position when standing, etc.
You really just have to decide what's important to you. I have four fully hollow archtops because nothing else really gets that sound. But as much as I love that sound, if I could only have one guitar, it'd probably be a thinline with a center block like a 335.

HammyD
01-28-2009, 06:48 PM
If you get a chance, check out a guy on YouTube by the name Matt Otten. He plays everything from a Sheraton II to Joe Pass to $10K hand made D'Angelico style jazz boxes. You might be surprised how little difference there is in the sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqSAGVf3-Ec&feature=PlayList&p=6E29F3567801B57A&index=21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IunmSZ1-1c&feature=PlayList&p=6E29F3567801B57A&index=23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8JhGedRAE&feature=PlayList&p=6E29F3567801B57A&index=29

archtopjazz
01-28-2009, 07:23 PM
If you get a chance, check out a guy on YouTube by the name Matt Otten. He plays everything from a Sheraton II to Joe Pass to $10K hand made D'Angelico style jazz boxes. You might be surprised how little difference there is in the sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqSAGVf3-Ec&feature=PlayList&p=6E29F3567801B57A&index=21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IunmSZ1-1c&feature=PlayList&p=6E29F3567801B57A&index=23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a8JhGedRAE&feature=PlayList&p=6E29F3567801B57A&index=29

That's some nice playing and tone.

jads57
01-28-2009, 07:44 PM
Best bang for the $,especially used Eastmans!

steven.rogers
01-28-2009, 09:40 PM
I've played some Sheratons that were duds, but most of them I've been really impressed with. I thought the pickups were a little muddy but that's an easy fix.

dkaplowitz
01-28-2009, 09:45 PM
Really big difference in sound between 335 and 175, IME. For straight jazz, I'd go for the 175 style. For something that covers more ground, I'd go with the 335 style. 335 with big flat wound strings can be really nice too though.

musicofanatic5
01-29-2009, 12:08 AM
Hmmm, I've never thought of a 335 as a jazz gtr. To me they generally sound more like a solidbody than a hollowbody. Grant Green's thinline was hollow: ES-330.
Sorry about your limited choices. I got to play in Croatia last year. Had a great time in Novi Sad.

gerontius
01-29-2009, 10:04 AM
Sorry about your limited choices. I got to play in Croatia last year. Had a great time in Novi Sad.

that's in serbia :) - a great city with fabulous people and food :dude

blhm84
01-29-2009, 10:40 AM
I'm not the biggest fan of playing straight jazz with a 335 style, but it can be done if you slap some flatwound 12's on there. Put it in the bridge position and you get a pretty good fusion sound too, ala Scofield. So its still versatile even with the flatwounds on it.