Shawn Lane tone in a pedal???

[countandduke]

Yes yes I know, it's all in the hands and he could play pretty much anything and it would sound like him. THAT aside......

What pedal would you all recommend for a Shawn type of overdrive. I have one of the Nady pedals that is pretty much identical to the Westbury overdrive he used but for some reason it's really noisy. Might be a circuitry issue, almost sounds like it needs a ground lift. There's no third prong on the plug and there's no option for using a battery.

To my ears, Shawn's tone has a healthy amount of overdrive to allow for the liquid lead playing he was famous for but also the ability to play those super fast lines without the overdrive smearing the notes. I had a Zendrive and that was VERY close to the tone but at faster note speed the pedal wasn't able to keep the notes clear and articulate, it was GREAT sounding at low speeds though. Maybe the Mosferatu? BB Preamp? M Audio?

Interested to hear your idears...

Doesn't have to be a tube pedal but I DO have some cool tubes I could use if necessary. I thought about the tonebone classic and changing out the tube?

Thanks,

Chris

[Eagle1]

What amp and what guitar first?

[countandduke]

Various amps and various guitar. I have a Les Paul, a strat and a Petrucci guitar. Amps are OD100SH/SE but I would probably use this into a rocktron velocity power amp or into a Fender combo on a clean channel. Hope that helps... but it might not. :) The OD100 just KILLS but I'm looking for a more portable rig or the ability to take my guitar and pedal to an open mic night...

Chris

[gpro34]

I own a Mosferatu. It is a nice pedal, but I don't think it does the Shawn Lane thing. I owned the BB also. I don't think you're going to get that tone from one particular pedal. I would try an overdrive with a fuzz or boost in front to push it. With the fuzz I would dial in at a medium setting and your overdrive to taste. If you lower the volume knob on the guitar very slightly you should be able to get this clean liquid sound which would be in the vein of the great Shawn Lane. I am able to do this with a number of overdrives and get some nice fluid legato and articulate staccato runs, give it a try.

[countandduke]

Yeah, I thought about using an RC Booster into an SD9 maybe? Ala Scott Henderson...

Chris

[Eagle1]

If you want a pedal that will get that type of tone in to a clean tube amp I would try a Sans Amp GT2 it can get you straight there. Another one in to a clean amp would be the old Ibanez Super Metal (tube screamer with more gain and extra EQ.) at a push the Boss Metal Zone with some careful EQing.

[Eagle1]

Yeah, I thought about using an RC Booster into an SD9 maybe? Ala Scott Henderson...

Chris
This approach is heavily dependent on the amp, as you are starting with a crunch channel and boosting it,not the same and harder to replicate through other peoples rigs.
But a SD9 or BB or even a Bose SD2 will work in to an OD100, but not someone else's twin.

[Melodic Dreamer]

It's all according of the rig, but I new a Guy who played the Tonebone Classic through a total Clean Fender amp and really got close to that sound.

I played a Hermida Zendrive 2 at a shop once and nailed his tone through a Maz.Jr.

[countandduke]

Thanks to all who responded...keep those idears coming.

Thanks again...

Chris

[Joe Kerr]

Shawn used a westbury tube overdrive pedal
I have one listed in pedals and efx here at tgp.

He ran that into a custom modified peavey profex 2
which in fact did have his holmes settings.

That is why you see him using that combination
throughout his life.

I happen to play the same setup and I quit buying into
all the amp hype the second I heard them
without the preamp and the settings though
no amp is going to sound like that.

I know Ive been chasing this sound for 10 years plus.
I have most of the vintage gear and pedals too
and none of them touched shawns tones like
the combination I play now does.

who ever said solid state amps do not have the sound
as a tube amp does just has not played through this.

The boost pedal has the only tube !
go figure.....

Diane in fact did get the settings because I sent them to her
and I also sent them a preamp loaded with them for shawns niece.

Diane had the records sealed and I was allowed to
program the profex for her grandchild.

I did just that and in return thats what I am playing through now.

I can tell you no amp sounds like that
the only tube boost pedal that nails that sound
is in combination with that preamp.

Its a westbury w20 or a nady td1
But alone by themselves without the preamp
they are not quite the same.

I will say the westbury beats my original tube driver hands down
and I got mine from danny thorpe RIP who was the one
getting them for Ej back in the day.

Matter of fact ej told me to never sell mine.
Now it sits collecting dust as the westbury
pedal eats its lunch.

I play the westbury or the nady td1
without the preamp its not the same
but with it nothing else sounds like that.

In my opinion and I think I can say I know a bit about this subject.
Since ive been researching it for over 10 years.

I ab'd that setup vs my bogner 100b and sold it right away
then same thing with the two rock custom reverb.

sold them both because the profex 2 with those settings and
the boost pedal wiped their slate.

solid state at that folks !
color me crazy though.

[Clifford-D]

You need some violin sounding od

You can get close to SL tone in a multitude of ways, no problem
That's not the big problem

The thing is,,, it was in his fingers, you can't get around that fact.
Shawn Lanes tone comes from his contact with the strings. Period.
I doubt anyone posting here (including myself) has that aspect of SL tone down. ykwim?

Get Sheets of Sound by Jack Zucker, spend a good long while copping some of that shit,,
get your technique up to SL level (lol) but this is arguably the BEST book for that SL thing.
Then you can really start working on the "tone",
or die trying.




better yet, just be yourself.

[imaguy2]

get your technique up to SL level (lol)

LOL:messedup

[Joe Kerr]

You need some violin sounding od

You can get close to SL tone in a multitude of ways, no problem
That's not the big problem

The thing is,,, it was in his fingers, you can't get around that fact.
Shawn Lanes tone comes from his contact with the strings. Period.
I doubt anyone posting here (including myself) has that aspect of SL tone down. ykwim?

Get Sheets of Sound by Jack Zucker, spend a good long while copping some of that shit,,
get your technique up to SL level (lol) but this is arguably the BEST book for that SL thing.
Then you can really start working on the "tone",
or die trying.




better yet, just be yourself.


Hey can you post which pages in the book have the studies ?
I have it and would like to know what pages those are on.

No doubt It was in fact Shawn no one plays like he did.

But did you ever wonder at all why he used the profex 2
with the westbury for the rest of his life ?

You never questioned his reasoning for that ?
TONE consistent TONE was the answer.

Btw the profex is solid state people.
So is the transfex pro solid state.

I dont use the tube feature at all in those.
No need.

Those amps stomp every amp I have ever played
right smooth into being sold.
I keep only my collection for investments.

Plus I like staring at plexis and stacks.
Makes for nice wall paper.

I play what the master played till he left us.

I am forever in debt to Diane and his family for that
and would do anything they asked of me.

Including keeping my word the settings wont see the light of day.
I think the man that helped me do this feels the same way.
They sealed the records from public.

To those who wish to support Shawn
Please deal directly with Diane and dont buy boots
from other forums it detracts from what Shawns wishes were.

He supported his family till he could no longer go on.
I do the same till I can no longer go on.

It makes me feel good about myself to do that

Because I know Shawn lane was a true man and he took
care of his family He had a huge heart and soul
and he is deeply missed by many many fans.

So please if you wish to get his music
Do so by contacting Diane and the family...
It Helps his Family out.

[countandduke]

But did you ever wonder at all why he used the profex 2
with the westbury for the rest of his life ?

You never questioned his reasoning for that ?


I think it's fairly common knowledge that Shawn used TONS of different gear over the years and not just the Westbury and Profex II. From what I hear, he pawned a lot of his gear and then had to borrow equipment when he had gigs. He also used line 6 amps, THD amps and line 6 pedals...

Thanks... :crazy

Chris

[Higher Landrons]

Check out the Wampler Pinnacle.

[Joe Kerr]

I think it's fairly common knowledge that Shawn used TONS of different gear over the years and not just the Westbury and Profex II. From what I hear, he pawned a lot of his gear and then had to borrow equipment when he had gigs. He also used line 6 amps, THD amps and line 6 pedals...

Thanks... :crazy

Chris

Sure that is correct He used the profex 2 man
you can place amps behind that in stereo it does not harm
the front end of the amps. The used gear you speak of
would be placed behind the profex 2 ....

yea im crazy like a fox do the time researching
I did.

You think I am crazy for that ?
what ever...... I own these units I can back my craziness up right now.

nady td1 is also great with those preamps and settings


Im insane though thats why I sold a bogner 100b and a two rock
off because I would have no clue what I am talking about.

Shawn hocked his gear to feed his family Sir.
He used the profex 2 till he left us.

Because you could set crates or any amps up behind
that and his sounds were there.

Do the time researching it You might find I am not crazy after all.

:thud

[Joe Kerr]

Yes yes I know, it's all in the hands and he could play pretty much anything and it would sound like him. THAT aside......

What pedal would you all recommend for a Shawn type of overdrive. I have one of the Nady pedals that is pretty much identical to the Westbury overdrive he used but for some reason it's really noisy. Might be a circuitry issue, almost sounds like it needs a ground lift. There's no third prong on the plug and there's no option for using a battery.

To my ears, Shawn's tone has a healthy amount of overdrive to allow for the liquid lead playing he was famous for but also the ability to play those super fast lines without the overdrive smearing the notes. I had a Zendrive and that was VERY close to the tone but at faster note speed the pedal wasn't able to keep the notes clear and articulate, it was GREAT sounding at low speeds though. Maybe the Mosferatu? BB Preamp? M Audio?

Interested to hear your idears...

Doesn't have to be a tube pedal but I DO have some cool tubes I could use if necessary. I thought about the tonebone classic and changing out the tube?

Thanks,

Chris

The reason the notes were clear and articulate is the peavey profex 2
yes it would not matter what he played he sounded like shawn
because he was shawn.

But once again the reason the notes would be clear and articulate
is a combination of things.

First amazing out of this world guitar player with fantastic touch.

Secondly and perhaps the link you completely are missing
is the preamp he used created no sag.

It Has everything to do with this sir...
You cant out play this unit speed wise.
It will go as fast as one can play with no sag.

The nady thats noisy issue might be a bad tube.
if not back the presence off a tad and set the
dip switches center including the gain.

treble mid and bass center on dip switch
and gain. back off the presence and see if it helps.

If its still noisy the preamp tube might be the culprit.
I use them all the time here at the mental facility im kept in
for being crazy.

lol

I like the td1 for clean dirt boost and more edgier stuff
and the westbury sounds best for the viola tone or cello tone.

Try the dip switches on the td1 there and see if it helps
if it does not try replacing the tube...

That is a chore in itself...

I have no reason to lie about this man I would not steer you
wrong at all here..

But I will say without the preamp set right and the combination of
the td1 or westbury, when you play really fast your going to
experience some sag its the nature of some tube amps.

End result muddy notes or latency where they dont come out
clear and articulate..

I wont ever play like shawn did no matter what
But I do know what I am talking about in this case..

I fought and fought for this sound for along time
I no longer fight it I just have to turn it on.

I took two small 8 inch speaker crap amps
and demonstrated this very thing to someone

They laughed and laughed and pointed and laughed
then the tone hit them and it wiped the smiles off their faces..


They said I was crazy too until they were staring into
the 8 inch speakers saying holy shit man
oh my god could you turn that down just a hair ?

I said no wait man those tiny shitty lil amps are too loud for you ?
lol

I smoked the non believers out of the place that day

They came up and shook my hand and said we are sorry
we had no idea.

That was the point of the demonstration.
To bust the hype into small pieces.

Check out you tube look up the aim shows
what does Shawn himself tell you there ?

I know what your going through man I already been there
guy I am trying to help you here and tube amps
sag you hit those with tube boost pedal which is what
your doing by what you just said and there is even more sag.

:thud

[countandduke]

I don't have the td-1, I have the Nady pedal that is more similar to the Westbury, it has no dip switches. My guess is it's just a noisy pedal, I've tried several different tubes in there.

I understand "tube sag" but that's not inherent in ALL tube amps. I have an OD100 and I can dial out the tube sag if I want to. My Voodoo Amps V-Plex has a bit of tube sag.

BUT, have you ever seen the Warsaw Festival where Shawn played an epiphone, tube driver into a Soldano amp? Shawn was Shawn and I GET that. My original post was designed to try and get some input on what people like for getting a "Shawn" type of tone.

I GET IT, you like your set up with your westbury's, profex 2's and 8 inch speakers. Thank you...

Just curious, what are you using for a power amp?

I also really love Eric Johnson's tone too. I hear Shawn was a big influence on Eric...

Chris

[brain21]

FWIW, I talked to the user tritonfascination on youtube (check out his vids - very nice). His reccomendations were to keep the treble on the amp down low, to like 2 or 3, and mids and bass around 7 or 8 - you want them in there, but you don't want them to muddy things up! There's really not a LOT of gain in Shawn's sound.

My best efforts were to get as close as possible with just an amp (I was using my AxeFx - I don't recall which amp though - I think a plexi running through the EV12L cab sim). I got as close as I could, then added a touch of reverb. I remember the presence was set to 0, and I believe that SAG was as well. Then I threw either a TS808 or a fuzz face (both worked) in front - either a real pedal or emulated in the AxeFx - turned the level to unity gain, turned the drive WAY WAY down low. Then turned the drive up just a touch. Like adding salt to an already flavored and cooked meal. Just a touch to flavor.

Now personally I also had to use compression to get a more even attack because Shawn had SUCH a light touch. The only way I could get that patch to work correctly was to pick really lightly. But then you tend to lose some volume, esp if you pick TOO lightly, so I added compression to even things out a bit. You may or may not have to. I also tried using those Wedgie rubber picks. Those allowed me to pick a bit more normally but have a lighter attack. You can't pick at Shawn Lane speeds with those things - WAY too much friction, but I couldn't pick at his speeds with a $100 pick in a vacuum anyway... or even half his speed! :-)

I would guess something like a Jetter GS Gold or something along those lines (ZenDrive, etc.) would be a nice overdrive to stick in front of an amp. Esp if your amp is too harsh. Then you could get less of the sound from the amp and more from the pedal.

BTW, Erics tone and Shawns are pretty similar. Eric's uses more gain on his leads, and Shawn has a clearer treble (not biting or brittle, just clearer as in less muddy), and a little more mids. I think from a pedal standpoint Eric has more gain. From a guitar standpoint Eric turns his tone control back. I would bet if you took Erics setup from his hands, turned up the tone control on his strat, and backed off the gain a little on his Butler, you'd have that Shawn tone!

HTH at least a little bit!

Brain21

EDIT: You might want to check out this video on youtube. Just back off the gain, and add a little more top end:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtI5UWAQXLg&feature=player_embedded