View Full Version : This is the Hendrix performance that SRV got all his lick for Voodoo Chile from..
sdlogan9
03-21-2009, 04:54 PM
If you watch this performance you will hear just about note for note how SRV played the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7yPRYL_Oq0&feature=related
Peace,
Shane
forgivenman
03-21-2009, 09:36 PM
Wow- you're right, glad to know this clip exists.
speedtaco
03-21-2009, 09:41 PM
Thanks, I enjoyed that. If there is a better rock guitarist than Jimi, I have yet to hear them.
WahmBoomAh
03-21-2009, 10:05 PM
Somewhere between Robert Johnson and Coltrane ....a place that only Jimi occupies ....I didn`t hear one "lick" in there ...a lot of balls and heart though
shngn7
03-21-2009, 10:22 PM
That just became my favorite version of that song.
Twangmaster
03-21-2009, 10:53 PM
that man was not of this earth.
Zelmo
03-22-2009, 07:56 AM
Best 6:53 I have spent in a while.
Anyone notice that he had 5 trem springs. Geez - how's he do those massive dive bombs with 5 trem springs? :huh :huh
teleman1
03-22-2009, 08:10 AM
Even the way he ends the song is original beyond any expectation. God I wish he was alive today and jamming with Jeff Beck! On tour, just like Winwood & Clapton And thinking of that Jimi & Stevie touring would be very cool.
bluesjunior
03-22-2009, 09:35 AM
Thanks, I enjoyed that. If there is a better rock guitarist than Jimi, I have yet to hear them.
There are people on this forum who will be quick to tell that you can only play Rock with a Les Paul.:jo
crzyfngers
03-22-2009, 09:55 AM
and this is why i carried a copy of are you experienced around with me as a kid. the guitar was like another appendage to jimi.
angus99
03-22-2009, 10:02 AM
Even the way he ends the song is original beyond any expectation. God I wish he was alive today and jamming with Jeff Beck! On tour, just like Winwood & Clapton And thinking of that Jimi & Stevie touring would be very cool.
I'm totally with you on that, but surely we'd be reading threads about how "he's lost the fire" or "only got all those early props because he was in the right place at the right time" and--my favorite--"plenty of players today are better than him but never caught a break." :NUTS
angus
pickaguitar
03-22-2009, 10:10 AM
thx
straticus
03-22-2009, 10:11 AM
I hadn't seen that video before. Thanks for posting it!
I know this is an understatement but.....................jeeeeeeeeeeeze, he was amazing!
Alligator > jam
03-22-2009, 10:48 AM
can we correct the thread title to "Voodoo Child (Slight Return)"? nitpicking, I know ... just asking :hide
Awesome clip, thanks for posting it. I too hadn't seen that before ~ incredible stuff!
CocoTone
03-22-2009, 11:11 AM
Best 6:53 I have spent in a while.
Anyone notice that he had 5 trem springs. Geez - how's he do those massive dive bombs with 5 trem springs? :huh :huh
Thats how he kept it close to being in tune. 5 n' flat.
CT.
thx for the link, killer version
Drifting
03-22-2009, 11:30 AM
While the studio cut is one of the untouchable guitar monuments in rock, that was sick.
I loved the ending, Hendrix always ended his songs in the coolest ways...
Here's another cut of Hendrix, my favorite live playing ever of him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPTP_JyQpl8&feature=related
bluesjunior
03-22-2009, 11:38 AM
I'm totally with you on that, but surely we'd be reading threads about how "he's lost the fire" or "only got all those early props because he was in the right place at the right time" and--my favorite--"plenty of players today are better than him but never caught a break." :NUTS
angus
Very true Angus. It is sad to see how so many on a guitar players forum are intolerent of other, especially succesful players.http://www.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon14.gif
moj067
03-22-2009, 11:39 AM
What's killin is that he just makes it look so effortless, like he's breathing.
The guy was such a natural, thanks for the link.
I think your right, it's the same sequence of ideas if not specific licks. awesome find Jimi rules
HeyMrTeleMan
03-22-2009, 12:28 PM
that man was not of this earth.
I was gonna post the same thing. His solo at (I think) 2:30 sent him into outer space, where he lived...
Sorry I never got to see him.
Jason Carter
03-22-2009, 12:31 PM
I gotta know....silicone or germanium fuzz?
Ulysses
03-22-2009, 12:41 PM
I gotta know....silicone or germanium fuzz?
(seriously) Sounds like the Roger Mayer.
FeloniousBishop
03-22-2009, 01:21 PM
That's July 4 1970
It's on disc 4 of the Stages set
Yngtchie
03-22-2009, 01:22 PM
If there is a better rock guitarist than Jimi, I have yet to hear them.Ain't that the truth.
Jason Carter
03-22-2009, 01:31 PM
(seriously) Sounds like the Roger Mayer.
Thanks Ulysses!
roomservice
03-22-2009, 01:37 PM
wow - fantastic, excellent brilliant.. Thanks for digging this one out - great version.
Joe Gamble
03-22-2009, 03:35 PM
That's July 4 1970
It's on disc 4 of the Stages set
It's also on Band of Gypsys 2 album:-)
reddog112
03-22-2009, 03:52 PM
Jimi rules, and his music is a lifelong companion to me
Foggy
03-22-2009, 04:16 PM
Amazing!
Imagine what he could have done with a left-handed strat. :)
Yngtchie
03-22-2009, 04:37 PM
Imagine what he could have done with a left-handed strat. :)The same that he did with his right-handed one...
He did have a leftie Strat, but he preferred the regular Strats, I think he believed that the standard Stratocasters had better build quality.
uberdave
03-22-2009, 05:24 PM
Imagine that I gonna keep listening to this over and over.........
Rock Johnson
03-22-2009, 05:40 PM
What amazes me is how much time he spends in the 1st-3rd position. You listen to it, and you think he's all over the neck, but you watch it, and he's barely moving his hands.
Rock Johnson
03-22-2009, 05:42 PM
Another thought..... His hands are so big. It'd be interesting to have a guitar neck made to the same proportion to my hands as a standard strat neck was to his.
Bo Faulkner
03-22-2009, 06:00 PM
His singing over top of all of what he was doing just kills me...
shngn7
03-22-2009, 07:01 PM
Another thought..... His hands are so big. It'd be interesting to have a guitar neck made to the same proportion to my hands as a standard strat neck was to his.
I have always wondered the exact same thing.
Jay Mitchell
03-22-2009, 07:59 PM
If you watch this performance you will hear just about note for note how SRV played the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7yPRYL_Oq0&feature=related
Peace,
ShaneI was there, and I'll never forget that night. Jimi was gone less than 3 months after that.
sdlogan9
03-22-2009, 09:44 PM
Glad everyone liked this one!
Peace
Shane
While I can kind of get into the playing, the thing that always gets me is the tone. How could ANYONE like that sloppy, farty, fuzzy shite I will never understand. :confused: Great "vintage" strat and marshall tone?? No thank you.
The Last Rebel
03-22-2009, 09:55 PM
While I can kind of get into the playing, the thing that always gets me is the tone. How could ANYONE like that sloppy, farty, fuzzy shite I will never understand. :confused: Great "vintage" strat and marshall tone?? No thank you.
Good tone is more than smooth strainy Dumbleness. Some people actually like the sound of a cranked Marshall being hit with a fuzz.
Drifting
03-22-2009, 09:57 PM
While I can kind of get into the playing, the thing that always gets me is the tone. How could ANYONE like that sloppy, farty, fuzzy shite I will never understand. :confused: Great "vintage" strat and marshall tone?? No thank you.
Have you heard the studio cut? Tone is different.
It's still good here, but recording quality, and inconsistency of fuzzes come into play.
Good tone is more than smooth strainy Dumbleness. Some people actually like the sound of a cranked Marshall being hit with a fuzz.
I know it. To me its pure mud and slop. Its like try and make an amp sound as bad as you can, and you have a vintage Marshall. To each their own though! I really do dig a good Bluesbreaker cranked up sometimes. To me that can be really sweet. Clear and articulate with out all of that sloppyness. I mean dont you want to hear the NOTES the guy is trying to play??
Joe Gamble
03-22-2009, 10:00 PM
While I can kind of get into the playing, the thing that always gets me is the tone. How could ANYONE like that sloppy, farty, fuzzy shite I will never understand. :confused: Great "vintage" strat and marshall tone?? No thank you.
Well it ain't pretty that's for sure. To me (especially his 1970 tone) it sounds tortured- which for me makes it even more emotionally poignant. I also know I could never play at the volumes needed to pull that off. Livin' on the edge!!!
FeloniousBishop
03-22-2009, 10:00 PM
Another thought..... His hands are so big. It'd be interesting to have a guitar neck made to the same proportion to my hands as a standard strat neck was to his.
Yeah, I noticed that too. If you freeze it at :14 you can really see it, look at that triangle shape around the neck.
The Last Rebel
03-22-2009, 10:03 PM
I know it. To me its pure mud and slop. Its like try and make an amp sound as bad as you can, and you have a vintage Marshall. To each their own though! I really do dig a good Bluesbreaker cranked up sometimes. To me that can be really sweet. Clear and articulate with out all of that sloppyness. I mean dont you want to hear the NOTES the guy is trying to play??
I love the sound of vintage Marshalls personally and Jimi's playing style was intentionally loose, IMO. I like Bluesbreakers as well though, mostly when this guy named Eric Clapton played one.
It's a completely too each his own sort of thing, though.
I like Bluesbreakers as well though, mostly when this guy named Eric Clapton played one.
Anything in particular I should check out? I have never heard of him.
Soundhound
03-22-2009, 10:35 PM
Fantastic clip! And the foxy lady clip is great too. Are these collected anywhere on a DVD set??
Btw his tone sounds absolutely gorgeous to me
airwarrior
03-22-2009, 10:55 PM
I know it. To me its pure mud and slop. Its like try and make an amp sound as bad as you can, and you have a vintage Marshall.
A lot of the tone is bad recording. I generally don't listen to the Newport, Atlanta, or Rainbow Bridge concerts because the recording is so bad. Makes the full Marshall/fuzz combination sound like a fizzy Fender Frontman 15. Another part of that is the gear of the times. It was all really was noisy and didn't mesh well (There is wah/Fuzz Face oscillation all over that Atlanta clip). When id did work however, it was pure magic. Check out "Who Knows" and "Machine Gun" (hell, the whole album) from Band of Gypsys to get the absolute pinnacle of Marshall tone.
Personally though, I'll take a cranked Super Lead with a Fuzz Face slamming the front end over a Dumble any day.
Lotis
03-23-2009, 08:05 AM
It's almost 40 years later...there are a LOT more options for tone now. There was barely anything then. Also you can say whatever but he was first and formost with the electric guitars huge palette. Personally I thought SRV brought tone into the mix in a huge way but had very little originality as a player. He was super soulful, played from the heart but without the Jimi/Albert King template no SRV.
Polynitro
03-23-2009, 08:17 AM
Ah yes Jimi in tune what an amazing thing! I had this on a mixed Jimi video I got back in highschool and it was my favorite JImi anything then too...I think this is the strat he used for BOG, his best sounding strat/amp combo IMO.
Rock Johnson
03-23-2009, 10:02 AM
Yeah, I noticed that too. If you freeze it at :14 you can really see it, look at that triangle shape around the neck.
I imagine it'd be like having a mandolin neck or something along those lines. I'll have to try it one day.
Jimmy James
03-23-2009, 11:00 AM
That's the kinda stuff that makes you wanna play forever. I have that whole show. Thanks for the clip!
s5c6ihLW50
03-23-2009, 11:07 AM
Excellent! Great post and link.
I have to dig in my boot collection to see if i have this (i hope, but doubtful cuz i just remember non-CONUS performances in my collection)
funkycam
03-23-2009, 12:53 PM
love that tone.
love that playing
DrSax
03-23-2009, 02:39 PM
I know it. To me its pure mud and slop. Its like try and make an amp sound as bad as you can, and you have a vintage Marshall. To each their own though! I really do dig a good Bluesbreaker cranked up sometimes. To me that can be really sweet. Clear and articulate with out all of that sloppyness. I mean dont you want to hear the NOTES the guy is trying to play??
Man, that is all just a part of Jimi's thing. I don't think "sloppy" is the right word, though. Wild? Almost completely derailing? Reckless abandon? Outer space? I might just explode into flames in the next measure? Those might be better terms. He can most certainly play beautifully clean, non"sloppy". Something about Jimi playing with a super refined flawless slick tone on a song like this just doesn't fit. His artistry is unquestionable IMHO. I think his tone in that clip is great.
Jimmy James
03-23-2009, 03:10 PM
I prefer Jimi's tone over beer commerical tone.
seiko
03-23-2009, 03:20 PM
Something about Jimi playing with a super refined flawless slick tone on a song like this just doesn't fit.
Indeed, this is a great guitar sound for this song, which is all that matters. The idea of "good tone" often seems far too limiting to me, what if something really off-the-wall and different is what really fits?
armando
03-23-2009, 03:38 PM
A lot of the tone is bad recording. I generally don't listen to the Newport, Atlanta, or Rainbow Bridge concerts because the recording is so bad. Makes the full Marshall/fuzz combination sound like a fizzy Fender Frontman 15. Another part of that is the gear of the times. It was all really was noisy and didn't mesh well (There is wah/Fuzz Face oscillation all over that Atlanta clip). When id did work however, it was pure magic. Check out "Who Knows" and "Machine Gun" (hell, the whole album) from Band of Gypsys to get the absolute pinnacle of Marshall tone.
Personally though, I'll take a cranked Super Lead with a Fuzz Face slamming the front end over a Dumble any day.
you said it bro'
nothing wrong w/ the tone, it's all about taste. you like it of you dont, you have the taste to post or not post, all about taste or lack thereof
nothing wrong w/ the tone, it's all about taste. you like it of you dont, you have the taste to post or not post, all about taste or lack thereof
Agreed, and I found that tone in poor taste. :D Hey, a heavily distorted wicked guitar sound fits for sure. To me, that slop and mud is just because it was all that was available at that time. Thats what I do not get when guys go on about great "vintage" tone. To me, its usually bad.
airwarrior
03-23-2009, 06:23 PM
Agreed, and I found that tone in poor taste. :D Hey, a heavily distorted wicked guitar sound fits for sure. To me, that slop and mud is just because it was all that was available at that time. Thats what I do not get when guys go on about great "vintage" tone. To me, its usually bad.
That's cuz your a poopoo head!
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:AOK:crazyguy
That's cuz your a poopoo head!
http://www.nmenvirolaw.org/images/news/GFR/gfrwinter04/sad-baby.gif
:AOK:crazyguy
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MightyGuru
03-23-2009, 06:38 PM
Good tone is more than smooth strainy Dumbleness.
smooth and strainy? kinda like a bad laxative, i suppose...
JimmyD
03-23-2009, 07:14 PM
I just listened to some dogshit bad Heart tones on Youtube from 1976 right before I played this clip and I gotta say Jimi's tone slayed 'em 6 years earlier.
But yeah, I agree when we all get carried away with "vintage" tone and how "good" it was. Not always the case.
Also no doubt that SRV patterned his version after this performance. No doubt at all
Jim
rotren
03-23-2009, 08:47 PM
Amazing performance. Jimi is the reason many of us are playing guitar at all today. What a power house! I can't understand those who don't like this kind of guitar playing. It's just completely amazing, there is just no other way around that.
armando
03-24-2009, 03:34 AM
After watching that clip, I was reminded just how much mojo Hendrix had. He was the whole package. Played great, sounded great, looked great, wrote great songs......one very cool guy. To me, SRV was just another guy trying to cop the Hendrix vibe and failed. He was a good player, but had NONE of the magical mojo that Hendrix had in spades.
armando
03-24-2009, 03:41 AM
Agreed, and I found that tone in poor taste. :D Hey, a heavily distorted wicked guitar sound fits for sure. To me, that slop and mud is just because it was all that was available at that time. Thats what I do not get when guys go on about great "vintage" tone. To me, its usually bad.
and that's why you hang out in internet forums and Hendrix is in the Hall of Fame.............
edgewound
03-24-2009, 03:52 AM
To me, SRV was just another guy trying to cop the Hendrix vibe and failed. He was a good player, but had NONE of the magical mojo that Hendrix had in spades.
You're kidding, right?
SRV a failure? Where's your records?
armando
03-24-2009, 06:54 AM
Sorry my friend, but SRV, in my opinion, was just another Hendrix wannabe when playing the Hendrix classics. Like I said, he was a good player and I really liked his own material.....Texas Flood is a great blues album. But Hendrix was the last word on his own style, and SRV did not improve on it. Even Roben Trower was smart enough to stay away from the Hendrix material.
just my opinion
mc5nrg
03-24-2009, 07:10 AM
If you want a small neck strat relative to your hands, find one of the MIJ '68 reissues.
Frank Axtell
03-24-2009, 08:08 AM
Simply amazing....Jimi is my all time favorite, thanks for posting this incredible clip.:bow
Voodoo Blues
03-24-2009, 10:12 AM
Sorry my friend, but SRV, in my opinion, was just another Hendrix wannabe when playing the Hendrix classics.
I agree 100%, Stevie was a guitar player just like everyone on this board and he idolized Hendrix. He didn't consider himself to be some guitar hero, we're the ones who gave him that status. He just wanted to play.
Rock Johnson
03-24-2009, 11:00 AM
If you want a small neck strat relative to your hands, find one of the MIJ '68 reissues.
How small are the necks? It seems like that to have one that's scaled the same as a standard Strat neck to Jimi's hands, I'd have to have a mandolin neck.
Sub City
03-24-2009, 11:32 AM
Great performance. Saw SRV in 83 when the 1st album hit. His set was about 50% Hendrix. That Atlanta concert was really good; also check out Stone Free from the same show. Great modal improvisation.
edgewound
03-24-2009, 11:36 AM
I agree 100%, Stevie was a guitar player just like everyone on this board and he idolized Hendrix. He didn't consider himself to be some guitar hero, we're the ones who gave him that status. He just wanted to play.
SRV was humble. He deserves the status of "guitar hero" because he earned it, and to dismiss him as a failure of the Hendrix vibe is just stupid IMO, because he was the one who was able to resurrect a whole genre of guitar playing called "the Blues", through his unmistakeable tone, style and intensity. Don't dis SRV....not cool.
By covering....quite well, I might add...VooDoo Chile, SRV was paying tribute to Hendrix. He was far from a failure, and more dimensional than he's getting credit for. I miss SRV as you guys wish Hendrix was still alive.
leftyaxeslinger
03-24-2009, 11:42 AM
I think Stevie was one of the onyl ones (if not the only) to do the material justice.
I actually like SRVs version of "Voodoo Chile (Slight Return)" and "Come On" a tad better than Jimi's.
Yeah, I said it.
And I've been a Hendrix freak and SRV fan since about 1981 or so.
When I heard VC slight return the first time when I was about 11, I think my head did a 360. This probably continued for the first couple of 100 times I heard it. Even today it sends a slight tingle up and down my spine.
I have never heard a cover version come close to that ...
Also, didn't he basically pull it out of his a**? How did that happen? Everyone else sits in their bedroom for years trying to ape it and he just pulls it out of his a** off the cuff ... WTF
For what its worth, the only cover of a Hendrix tune that I've ever thought up to the master was a cover of Manic Depression by Seal and Jeff Beck. I'm not going to say better, but it stands up to the original.
Also, Hendrix did an amazing job of outdoing the original versions of a lot of songs by a variety of people.
airwarrior
03-24-2009, 12:10 PM
When I heard VC slight return the first time when I was about 11, I think my head did a 360. This probably continued for the first couple of 100 times I heard it. Even today it sends a slight tingle up and down my spine.
I have never heard a cover version come close to that ...
Also, didn't he basically pull it out of his a**? How did that happen? Everyone else sits in their bedroom for years trying to ape it and he just pulls it out of his a** off the cuff ... WTF
The story goes that they were being filmed in the studio by a T.V. station or something, and they wanted to film them recording. Not having anything they were planning to record at that moment, Hendrix just told Mitch and Noel, "Lets jam in E..."
Or so I've heard.
FeloniousBishop
03-24-2009, 01:04 PM
The story goes that they were being filmed in the studio by a T.V. station or something, and they wanted to film them recording. Not having anything they were planning to record at that moment, Hendrix just told Mitch and Noel, "Lets jam in E..."
Or so I've heard.
Wow, nice off the cuff jam in E
bluesmeanie
03-24-2009, 01:16 PM
Jimi was the man. Thanks for posting this. He'll always be #1 for me. He was the gen-u-ine article. God bless ya Jimi.
musiclovesryan
03-24-2009, 01:39 PM
wow amazing. I just saw a dvd of his that I forget the name of. That was really something. What I do remember is that he was playing a white gibson--he hardly ever does that.
seiko
03-24-2009, 04:44 PM
To me, that slop and mud is just because it was all that was available at that time.
No, he wanted to play it like that, no question in my mind. Much of the Woodstcok "improvisation" is much, much cleaner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT8sJn_GlHU
But then why would Hendrix want to play a spooky song like "Voodoo Child" -- that even suggests his own death -- with a nice sound anyway? I mean if it references anything lyrically it is Muddy Water's "Rolling Stone" and the guitar sound is like a supercharged version of MW's on that track.
Ulysses
03-24-2009, 05:48 PM
Agreed, and I found that tone in poor taste. :D Hey, a heavily distorted wicked guitar sound fits for sure. To me, that slop and mud is just because it was all that was available at that time. Thats what I do not get when guys go on about great "vintage" tone. To me, its usually bad.
I'm sorry, but can you just imagine how absolutely goofy (not to mention impotent/sterile) this performance would have sounded like with a slick "Robben or Larry" Dumble tone.
armando
03-24-2009, 08:44 PM
SRV was humble. He deserves the status of "guitar hero" because he earned it, and to dismiss him as a failure of the Hendrix vibe is just stupid IMO, because he was the one who was able to resurrect a whole genre of guitar playing called "the Blues", through his unmistakeable tone, style and intensity. Don't dis SRV....not cool.
By covering....quite well, I might add...VooDoo Chile, SRV was paying tribute to Hendrix. He was far from a failure, and more dimensional than he's getting credit for. I miss SRV as you guys wish Hendrix was still alive.
don't make the mistake of confusing dissing with opinion.....not cool
I'm sorry, but can you just imagine how absolutely goofy (not to mention impotent/sterile) this performance would have sounded like with a slick "Robben or Larry" Dumble tone.
Who said ANYTHING about using a tone like that?? :NUTS May as well just have an unplugged version with a nylon string!
edgewound
03-24-2009, 10:35 PM
don't make the mistake of confusing dissing with opinion.....not cool
The two can and do overlap in this case....
Voodoo Blues
03-25-2009, 05:47 AM
He deserves the status of "guitar hero" because he earned it
I agree 100% with that too, he's my guitar hero.
niksevig119
03-25-2009, 06:20 AM
i play alot of hendrix/srv at bars, and people will always ask the drunken question, "whos better srv or jimi?" and i just always think that Jimi laid down a foundation of how things (music) should go, and then stevie took it and ran with it. A song like VC is very free and open and has alot of time where "those licks" can be thrown in anywhere, but listen to stevie do manic depression, its almost carbon copy to jimi. being a more fast paced intricate song.
edgewound
03-25-2009, 10:20 AM
i play alot of hendrix/srv at bars, and people will always ask the drunken question, "whos better srv or jimi?" and i just always think that Jimi laid down a foundation of how things (music) should go, and then stevie took it and ran with it. A song like VC is very free and open and has alot of time where "those licks" can be thrown in anywhere, but listen to stevie do manic depression, its almost carbon copy to jimi. being a more fast paced intricate song.
Great post.
s5c6ihLW50
03-25-2009, 10:49 AM
Found a copy of the DVD... Totally stoked. Another cool thing is hearing some of the master guitar tracks people ripped of Rock Band.
armando
03-25-2009, 09:24 PM
The two can and do overlap in this case....
Seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcPH7RuGp-0
I was a teenager in the '60's.I made it a point to attend any Hendrix concert I could get to.In fact,just about all I did back then was go to concerts.Most of the Hendrix recordings don't come close to reproducing the stage sound of that time,unfortunatly. One concert in particular,at the Swing Auditorium in San Bernadino was incredible. He did a version of "May This Be Love" that had the audience in tears,myself included.
osoloco69
03-26-2009, 01:15 AM
Badass show from Byron...My parents were there, and one of my friends was awoken by jimi's hellicopter about to land on him as he was sleeping on the empty grassy spot that was the landing zone :)
jim1jam
03-26-2009, 02:02 AM
While I can kind of get into the playing, the thing that always gets me is the tone. How could ANYONE like that sloppy, farty, fuzzy shite I will never understand. :confused: Great "vintage" strat and marshall tone?? No thank you.
"thats the same way some people feel about tubey strainy CRAP"
Lord..... that was epic! He was not of this earth...
edgewound
03-26-2009, 05:39 PM
Seen this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcPH7RuGp-0
Hey....that was very cool. Thanks for sharing.
doublee
03-26-2009, 05:56 PM
This has probably been already said but....Jimmi made it ALL up...on an upside down guitar no less and when you got a road map like that before you as in the case of SRV I just dont see any comparison. SRV KILLS but...Jimmy was there way before thats all. This stuff didnt exist before Jimmi.
And sorry if this has been discussed prev I couldnt read thru all the messages!
edgewound
03-26-2009, 06:04 PM
This has probably been already said but....Jimmi made it ALL up...on an upside down guitar no less and when you got a road map like that before you as in the case of SRV I just dont see any comparison. SRV KILLS but...Jimmy was there way before thats all. This stuff didnt exist before Jimmi.
And sorry if this has been discussed prev I couldnt read thru all the messages!
Some of you guys talk like Jimi invented the guitar. Even Hendrix had influences that walked, talked and played way before him.
Yeah, Hendrix was phenomenal. Didn't live to see 30...his own doing. SRV's life was taken from him...after cleaning it up and living clean and healthy. It showed in his face, eyes, and words.
I cried the day SRV died. It was a tragedy that Eric Clapton lives with every day....among many others....tragedies, that is.
True. One of the things I love about him is how he had mastered all the r&b and blues stuff. He was constantly throwing out stuff that shows his deep connection to that stuff. Obviously, he was part of it as well. He did play on the black r&b circuit through the south in the early 60s with a few bands. He was the real deal when it comes to this stuff. He also seems to have gotten bored with it when forced to play only this stuff and having to take a back seat for extended periods of time.
Having said that, having mastered what came before, he took it to a whole nuther level. When I hear the 3 albums he came up with, he shows his mastery of old stuff and his genius in creating new stuff. He's like Picasso. He can reference the old stuff, play games with it, etc. He can push it around, have his way with it. He can also throw it in the trash and do stuff that was completely new.
I always liked and will always like other people from that era. I like Clapton, Beck, Page, etc. But to me, Jimi was the genius.
Sloppy this, sloppy that :jo
Whenever I hear people going on about that, I'm wondering if they realize that to a large extent we live in the guitar world he created.
Mark Robinson
03-26-2009, 06:43 PM
When Hendrix came along the bluesy side of African American music was still segregated. Jazz had let go of the dance crowd and had been stuffed downmarket by Elvis and everbody else rockin and rolling. Motown, and the Philly stuff crossing over, brilliant as it is, was heavily filtered purposefully by smart guys like Berry Gordy etc, who smoothed out the road house rowdiness that Jimi brought a bit later.
In 68 it was another world, compare what you just saw from J.H with "Mrs. Brown you've Got a Lovely Daughter"? Jimi's sound and agression were unprecedented for suburban white listeners, and since then whole genres have derived, come, gone, from that basic template, guitar as tool of aggression. Hendrix of course was broad bandwidth, and had so much going IN ADDITION to this highly evolved blues form. But this is state of the art cutting edge music descended from blues for that moment.
J.H. to me is the ultimate in horn like guitar for that time, the volume and distortion is all about the pressure and sustain that the human voice or wind instruments can evoke. Prior to J.H. guitar was plink plink plink. All of a sudden its a magic carpet skyrocket, and can soar. Check out the squalls of octave fuzz in that track, very horn like, very post bebop, it's the music moving forward.
Jimi moves me more than any other player and sadly it will probably never change, but that's my fault not his.
Voodoo Blues
03-26-2009, 06:51 PM
It was a tragedy that Eric Clapton lives with every day
What?
edgewound
03-26-2009, 06:53 PM
What?
Google it.
niksevig119
03-26-2009, 06:56 PM
Doublee said it best......thats just like when someone says "hey how did you get that jimi/srv tone"? theyre none in the same...if hendrix never wrote his epic masterpieces , and never even thought of them, would the next guy have done em like jimi? no
sdlogan9
06-16-2009, 08:45 PM
:bow:D glad you guys like this one
gainiac
06-16-2009, 11:02 PM
Geez - how's he do those massive dive bombs with 5 trem springs? :huh :huh
Easy...Just hit the stick!!!!! (Got 5 on mine...)
gainiac
06-16-2009, 11:32 PM
SRV's life was taken from him...after cleaning it up and living clean and healthy.
What is your point?
Voodoo Blues
06-17-2009, 05:50 AM
Google it.
Don't tell me you think that Clapton gave up his seat for SRV?
Yeah...amazing as always...
I could live of Hendrix, Beck and Gilmour and die a happy man!
Twangmaster
06-17-2009, 07:07 AM
Don't tell me you think that Clapton gave up his seat for SRV?
Legend goes that EC decided to not take the seat, SRV found it to be empty and got in...
and why the bashing in here, especially for these two players, JH & SRV. Either one could play circles around 90% of anyone on here on a bad day with a $50 pawn shop special, IMHO. Hendrix more or less invented the over the top marshall 'sound', played Electric guitar in a manner not heard prior. SRV was influenced by not on JH, but Albert King and many others, and still managed to put a lot of SRV into his music.
Yngtchie
06-17-2009, 07:09 AM
Wait... Who's bashing Hendrix?
Donnie B.
06-17-2009, 07:35 AM
Incredible stuff!!
gennation
06-17-2009, 08:30 AM
Great vid! You know, he's waiting in the next world for us right now? Someday we'll all meet him.
Voodoo Blues
06-17-2009, 10:02 AM
Legend goes that EC decided to not take the seat, SRV found it to be empty and got in...
I'm 99% sure that SRV begged one of EC's entourage, not Clapton himself, if he could take his seat because he had to get somewhere. I think Chris Layton talks about it on the El Mocambo DVD extras or I may have read it in the SRV Biography "Caught In the Crossfire".
Either way Clapton was not involved.
Voodoo Blues
06-17-2009, 10:05 AM
Wait... Who's bashing Hendrix?
I'd read the thread title itself as SRV bashing...
...but I bet even SRV himself wouldn't deny that he did get all the licks from Jimi. SRV never shyed away from admitting that he was a huge Hendrix fan and emulated him on stage.
Antelope
06-17-2009, 10:56 AM
I know it. To me its pure mud and slop. Its like try and make an amp sound as bad as you can, and you have a vintage Marshall. To each their own though! I really do dig a good Bluesbreaker cranked up sometimes. To me that can be really sweet. Clear and articulate with out all of that sloppyness. I mean dont you want to hear the NOTES the guy is trying to play??
I can hear the notes he's playing.
And they sound good, especially given that they were recorded almost 40 years ago.
LR1400
06-17-2009, 11:05 AM
Somewhere between Robert Johnson and Coltrane ....a place that only Jimi occupies ....I didn`t hear one "lick" in there ...a lot of balls and heart though
That is true. He was special, pure soul and doubtful we will get another in our lifetimes. No doubt the best.
atquinn
06-17-2009, 11:17 AM
Great singing, great playing, great tone! IMNSHO.
-Austin
whatmeworry
06-17-2009, 12:14 PM
If you watch this performance you will hear just about note for note how SRV played the song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7yPRYL_Oq0&feature=related
Peace,
Shane
I hear a lot of similar phrasing and style, but note for note???
On first listen, I don't hear it - I'll have to do some comparative listening later
Just my 2 cents
I guess it's probably a moot point,( no way to prove one way or another) but back when SRV was honing his chops - no youtube, not too much $$ in his pockets, lots of touring, not too much down time to search out bootleg audio/video and copy. Just the album version to figure out the song.
I think it's fairly well known that JIMI was THE major influence on SRV ( along with Albert King) He learned a lot of his style, but really came out with a style and tone of his own. You hear a SRV song/solo, and you know it's him. You also hear tons of players who have copped Stevies tone ( however similar - yet very distinct to my ears- it was to Jimi's)
Lets see Clapton took the old blues licks and sped them up and voila Cream - I know over simplified
Jimi took the old R&B and Chitlin' circuit stuff and turned it into - The Experience
This is what made all of the greats what they are - the learned, stole, copied, and twisted the stuff they loved, added a piece of themselves and made something new, fresh, and innovative.
Yes Jimi was a cornerstone to tons of guitarists, but.... what if there was no Muddy, Albert, BB, and Freddie - would there have been a Jimi??? a Clapton? etc.....
BobbyFudge
06-17-2009, 12:20 PM
I prefer Jimi's tone over beer commerical tone.
+1:beer
Franklin
06-17-2009, 03:13 PM
Wow, THANKS!!!!
Legend goes that EC decided to not take the seat, SRV found it to be empty and got in...
I'm 99% sure that SRV begged one of EC's entourage, not Clapton himself, if he could take his seat because he had to get somewhere. I think Chris Layton talks about it on the El Mocambo DVD extras or I may have read it in the SRV Biography "Caught In the Crossfire".
Either way Clapton was not involved.
It was Jimmie Vaughan's seat, Stevie begged him for it so he could get back to Chicago to call his girlfriend Janna Lapidus.
Not to stir controversy, but I think SRV knew he was going to die that night he was wearing purple afterall. Listen to the Alpine Valley version of Voodoo Child(Slight Return) it will give you goosebumps!
edgewound
06-17-2009, 04:08 PM
I'm 99% sure that SRV begged one of EC's entourage, not Clapton himself, if he could take his seat because he had to get somewhere. I think Chris Layton talks about it on the El Mocambo DVD extras or I may have read it in the SRV Biography "Caught In the Crossfire".
Either way Clapton was not involved.
Clapton was not involved in the helicopter crash that took SRV's life.
Otherwise....it would be the other way around. Clapton dead, SRV alive.
That's not an argument nor a bash....
It's the facts, pure and simple. Clapton has had more than his share of tragedy to shoulder....this it would seem to be ranking near the top.
edgewound
06-17-2009, 04:23 PM
What is your point?
The fact that SRV had kicked drugs and alcohol...that nearly killed him...and was instead killed in a helicopter crash that Eric Clapton was scheduled to ride in.
I think that makes his death just that more tragic.
edgewound
06-17-2009, 04:28 PM
It was Jimmie Vaughan's seat, Stevie begged him for it so he could get back to Chicago to call his girlfriend Janna Lapidus.
Not to stir controversy, but I think SRV knew he was going to die that night he was wearing purple afterall. Listen to the Alpine Valley version of Voodoo Child(Slight Return) it will give you goosebumps!
According to a website dedicated to SRV's death, he was going to drive back to Chicago with Jimmie and his sister-in-law.
He took the available helicopter seat instead. It could have been the three of them on board, but it turned out only one seat was available. Eric Clapton's band was on board and the last seat was for EC...he gave it up so SRV could get to where he needed to in a hurry.
edgewound
06-17-2009, 04:39 PM
And you believe everything you read on the internet? Clapton's band was not on board nor was it Clapton's seat it was Jimmie Vaughan. If your looking for an argument do it elsewhere I dont play pissing matches.
OK, then give me your infallible source. I'm just going by what I have read, and have seen in interviews.
Set me straight since you're looking for a fight...and put this one to bed, pal.
teleman55
06-18-2009, 02:39 AM
Every time I go skiing at Alpine Valley and ride that one chairlift , I look over to my left and think about that being where SRV died. So sad. And if Clapton hadn't been nice enough to help a guy out so he could get somewhere quick, I guess I'd be thinking about that being where EC died. A friend was at a club that night. I think the Checkerboard but that's a long time ago so can't be sure. EC and Buddy Guy came in and yucked it up a bit. Then some guy all serious came and pulled them in the back. They came out all serious and left. No jammin that night. Life's a funny thing. Could have easily been...EC killed in car crash...gave up seat for.... The Hendrix clip is great by the way. WOW!!!
OK, then give me your infallible source. I'm just going by what I have read, and have seen in interviews.
Set me straight since you're looking for a fight...and put this one to bed, pal.
You seem more interested in proving us all wrong rather than appreciating the man's music.
edgewound
06-18-2009, 11:42 AM
You seem more interested in proving us all wrong rather than appreciating the man's music.
Why does my account matter to you? It comes from what I've read and heard. Prove me wrong without a doubt....or just shut up and let it go.
I cried the day SRV was reported dead. The only musician that I'd ever shed a tear for. Saw him a couple of times that year. My brother and I had a chance to go back stage from our industry contacts and meet him after the Greek Theater show with B.B. King...but it was too late and we needed to get home to our families.
Then he was gone...taken from us too soon, after turning his life around and really appreciating his gifts that he shared with the rest of us.
Voodoo Blues
06-18-2009, 01:14 PM
According to a website dedicated to SRV's death
What the address of the website, I'd like to check it out.
edgewound
06-18-2009, 03:12 PM
What the address of the website, I'd like to check it out.
Here's a couple:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A3662507
http://www26.brinkster.com/jakapa/srv/death.htm
Kalalau Hiker
06-18-2009, 06:47 PM
Jimi Hendrix - Voodoo Child (slight return) High Quality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLJhJGnpovo
iamdavea
06-18-2009, 09:26 PM
To me, the definitive Hendrixy lick that's in SRV's version is the super cool, descending, snakey, hammer-on/pull-off lick down the G string that happens at the 2:34 mark in SRV's version. But Jimi himself doesn't do it in this version.
Kalalau Hiker
06-19-2009, 05:49 AM
To me, the definitive Hendrixy lick that's in SRV's version is the super cool, descending, snakey, hammer-on/pull-off lick down the G string that happens at the 2:34 mark in SRV's version. But Jimi himself doesn't do it in this version.
that is a cool riff. Jimi used to do that in Wild Thing ... often turned it into the "Strangers in the Night" theme .
It's pretty easy .... you can def do it if you haven't tried.
strings2wood
06-19-2009, 06:58 AM
I was a fourth grade kid when my brother first played me The Wind Cries Mary,
Fire, Purple Haze, etc. all from the radio on a Hendrix special. He recorded it on a Sony reel to reel to tape deck, sitting in silence in front of an old valve/ tube radio for fear the mike would pick up any other noises. He even had a sign on his door, "Recording, Please Do Not Enter!":roll
In terms of tone, the old valve/ tube radio was great! Was I listening to tone/ technology that was mud? slop? etc. It was of it's time. But even as a kid(and I wouldn't have articulated it as such then), I could hear soul, emotion, beauty, a truthfulness being chanelled through the technology.
What came through was Jimi's voice, his language through that instrument (and in how he sang as much as what he played).
I'm 51 now. I'm a lefty (but play with the strings right handed). I'm still trying to speak even a phrase, few words etc. let alone a single sentence of the language Jimi spoke fluently. Over 40 years later it reminds me of the lines in Don McLean's Vincent.....
Now I think I know,what you tried to say to me. (emphasis on think....)
To say what he's playing through is mud/ slop/ etc. is kinda like saying you don't like the quality of the paint on the Mona Lisa.
Artists have at their disposal the technology of their time. I don't have the superlatives to express the legacy of the language Jimi spoke.
I'm glad my brother interpreted the voice and it's artistry and shared it with me. Now as a player who followed in my brother's footsteps,
I understand "why" he was so excited to share it with me. There's a serious respect too as I laugh to think his bedroom was kind of his Abbey Road documenting what mattered to him enough to replay and share (copyright aside!!!)
Both are now gone. The language, love and artistry are timeless.
In gratitude, "S'cuse me, While I Kiss the Sky."
How many of üs who are even "competent forgers" as guitar players when playing and singing live,
have the presence, flamboyance, artistry, showmanship or say something near the same language, cool or package that's in that clip?
Lot's of imitators,
Grand Masters of Jimi's calibre???????????????????
Thanks to the OP.
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