Prototype delay pedal questions/survey

[Fuchsaudio]

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I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

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I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

:munch

[slopeshoulder]

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I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

:munch

pretty slick posting it here and putting the onus on mods to move it.

anyway, I say just make a skreddy echo for 1/3 less and available immediately because otherwise it's perfect.

[blood5150]

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I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

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I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? "NOT REALLY"

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? "YES"

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?). "VARIABLE FREQ AND INTENSITY"

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? NO. ONE SECOND OF PRISTINE DELAY IS FINE

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? WOULD BE NICE




True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? TRUE BYPASS

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? FOR SURE WITH LEVEL CONTROL

:munch

See CAPS above - Im in North Jersey if you need a beta tester...

Here is are some vids of me demoing a Eventide Pitchfactor.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC1v-lNMrcI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_KE4QyzsJ8&feature=related

[coolhand78]

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? No

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? Nope sorry...

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? Yes

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? Yes

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?] External is always better...

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? For me 1 sec is ample time... i'd even be happy with less time... like 800ms or so...

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? Maybe

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? Selectable, I dont always like some manufatures buffers... but true bypass has to be true bypass ie. nothing in the signal path at all... (not like the strobostomp or "true hardwire bypass)

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? Definitely, also the delay should split the signal at the input and then blend the repeats back in at the output (like a mixer) so as to not affect the original signal... and no AD/DA on the original signal need to keep it as pure as possible!!!

:munch
hope this helps, the last part is by far the most important to me... but to be honest i think i've pretty much just described the Memory Lane... ;)

[Fuchsaudio]

Thanks guys, keep the (positive) answers coming !!

A points of interest: The analogue and delayed signal will mix after the delay, so the incoming dry signal remains pure. My question is: When you hit the footswitch for "bypass" would you want the echo trail to die naturally, or just be turned off immediately ? Assuming the dry signal passing through is pure enough and not true bypass, the input to the delay line could be stopped to allow this...just thinking out loud here.

Good feedback guys thanks.

[goldie-gold]

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I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?
Yes, very much so for me. In fact, just line level is fine by me!

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?
Pretty much, although flexibility to get more 'far out' is good.

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).
I'd like both.

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?
1 second is enough for me.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?
Yes I want, need and would use them.

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?
Selectable is good.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?
Yes to separate and with a level control.

:munch


Hope I helped!

[Sofus]

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I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?
For me: yes

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?
Yes and now - I wish somebody had a delay times and levels - where I could have "Chorus" on one a shorter one and "wow & flutter" on the a longer one. I would use the long one for leads and the shorter ones for "reverb" - if the modulation could be stomped in and out it would be perfect (for me).

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).
Just intensity would be cool with me.

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]
Internal acceptable for me.

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?
Second is more than enough for me, how I use it.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?
Switch to go from "clean" to "dirty" repeats would be enough.

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?
True bypass ... but I am using a buffered switcher/combiner ... when taking it off the board, I prefer true bypass.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

:munch

:munch

[Marzio]

Is it going to be an analog delay?

Tone control for repeats a definitive yes!

[Hiwatt Bob]

here's my take--there are already enough cool delays out there. do something a little off the beaten path--i've been waiting for someone to make a pedal version of a binson echorec.

[Unadan]

I prefer analogue delays to plain analog.

[Jahn]

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? If it can be used in the Guitar chain without crapping out with a loud or distorted signal being fed into it, that's the ideal, and thus no need for loop use.

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? Nope. But for intensity, just make certain the modulation doesn't get louder than the repeats of course. Ideally the modulation volume level should be able to be set independently of the repeat volume level.

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? There are two distinct goals of modulation from a delay pedal - to help a background-type tape echo emulation sound real, and second to contribute to a bucket brigade DMM-type up front freakout. Both should be available to be ideal.

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?). oops, looks like you addressed my previous answer. yes, intensity control is a must, fixed frequency is fine.

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?] internal control of this is fine.

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? one second is still double the short repeats of a bucket brigade, so that's more than enough. any more and folks should just get a digital delay (or a traditional "digital delay" as your pedal might be digital, but be made to sound analog, who knows). i'd rather keep the wider bandwidth.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? this would actually be cool. one of the main things folks compare delay pedals for is the "darkness" or "clear quality" of the repeats. So to be able to control that would be nice.

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? hey if you can make it selectable, great. otherwise, true bypass is fine, unless you need a buffer to be able to control that hot guitar signal coming in.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? definitely an option to choose mono (dry/delay in one mix) or stereo (when two outs both plugged in, one is dry, other is delay) - don't forget to have stereo ins as well, for the chorus and flangers and other modulating pedals in front of the delay in the chain. Level controls for coming in and going out would be ideal, but if not, just try to have the same output level as coming in, but without crapping out if the input signal is coming in hot.

:munch
:dude

[Jet Age Eric]

>Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?

No.

>Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

No (I don't like modulation)

>Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?

If ALL it did was simulate tape, I might use it.

>Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).
[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

I could live with fixed freq AS LONG AS I COULD TURN IT OFF.

>Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?

No, I want max. fidelity.

>Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?

Ideally, no. Unless it was too dark.

>True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?

True bypass.

>Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

Please, no! I adore the sound of my T. Rex, and the only reason I consider getting rid of it is I hate having tot weak the output whenver I tweak the mix. The input idea above is actually really good.

Might this thing have tap tempo? Fidelity (or at least sound quality) and tap are the two things I want.

Good luck! -E

[blood5150]

My question is: When you hit the footswitch for "bypass" would you want the echo trail to die naturally, or just be turned off immediately ?



I would like trails personally, its more of a natual degradation of the effect.

[Jahn]

can you do trails on/off? if not, leave it trails on.

[treeuh]

for me, external tap-tempo is a MUST in a delay pedal... at the very least it should have a switch built on, but external is preferred...

[big mike]

Moved. Anything regarding biz should be posted in the MFR sections.

Thanks.

[Fuchsaudio]

Thanks Mike.

Treeuh, we've never done tap-tempo before on a product, but will explore that.

New question: Loop jacks. The Skreddy shows jacks which allow processing the delay separately through a pair of loop jacks. Is this an important feature ?

Thanks for the tips guys.

[muffinMan74]

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? Delay goes in my amp's FX loop, so I'd say yes.

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? I like variable so it can be fast or slow. But if forced to just one I'd say pretty slow, @ 1 pulse/2 sec., but with fairly strong intensity.

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? Nope, I really like modulated repeats, and not just chorus (phase is cool, in fact a proper FX loop for repeats in addition to onboard chorus would be ideal).

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?] Important to have both externally, preferably mini trimmers instead of big knobs.

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? Whatever bandwidth came out of my Ibanez DL10 (I'm sure it was less than 16kHz) was perfect. One second is great, I don't wind up using more than that hardly ever, but I like more than the typical 300 or 600ms, minimum 800ms for me.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?
Have it on my Nova and definitely use it.

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? Selectable please. I need buffered to drive signal back to the return of the effects loop and don't want to stick another pedal after delay just for that purpose.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? Unless you do stereo in, I don't need stereo out, I'll put the delay before chorus then. with level control.

:munch
thanks for listening.

[Grenville]

My one thought re: internal controls - I like the idea of certain parameters being "set and forget".

Maybe make them internal, but accessible via pluggable hole/s on the top or back of the unit, so they could be readjusted if necessary without taking your pedalboard apart.

[Scott Auld]

Hi Andy

Here's my thoughts. I use delay on almost everything. I play heartland rock-type music. My band plays twice a week, Fridays and Sundays, in a moderate-sized church that doesn't mind loud music. We don't play church-style music, we play what sounds like Hurts So Good by Mellencamp, or Brown Sugar by the Stones; stuff like that. I thicken up the Telecaster with delay.

Good luck w/ the project.

Scott A

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? I don't care about line loop in vs. guitar in. I suppose this will appeal to other types; not to me.

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? Don't care.

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? Don't care about that. It won't be heard over the drummer anyway.

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?). I don' care about that either. These subtle effects are lost in my live situation. Maybe my music is the wrong demographic for the pedal.

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? I would never need more delay time than quarter notes at about 70 beats per minute, well less than a second.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? Tone control over the repeats would be STELLAR. Does anyone else offer this today in a pedal?

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? Don't care.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? YES, seperate output / level controls. Send one output to one amp, dry, and another amp, wet. seperate controls for each would be the bee's knees.


If it doesn't have tap-tempo control, I would never consider a delay. I MUST be able to quickly get the delay in synch with the beat of the song, and I need to be able to do it while standing up singing at a mic, right as the song is intro-ing. I can't be bending over to the pedal between songs and fiddling with numbers or dials, I need to TAP IT IN during the intro. There's less than ten seconds between songs, no screwing around, just tap it in. That's the only deal breaker.


:munch

[Scott Auld]

I would like trails personally, its more of a natual degradation of the effect.

can you do trails on/off? if not, leave it trails on.

Usually, the ability to trail off when the effect is disengaged rules OUT the true-bypass feature. Pick one or the other: trails or TB.

If Andy can solve this then the world will beat a path to his door.

[big mike]

Man, I never use tap tempo anymore. <shrug>

I just set it for an ambient slapback...

[gkelm]

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? Would be a great option

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? no idea!

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? Yes

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? No

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?] internal is fine

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? I don't mind limited bandwidth, but one second is ample

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? Yes, definitely

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? True (possibly selectable, see below)

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? The only reason I'd want that is if the effect on uneffected signal was altered to use a blender, but sounds like may not be necessary if the dry signal is pristine.

:munch

Thanks guys, keep the (positive) answers coming !!

A points of interest: The analogue and delayed signal will mix after the delay, so the incoming dry signal remains pure. My question is: When you hit the footswitch for "bypass" would you want the echo trail to die naturally, or just be turned off immediately ? Assuming the dry signal passing through is pure enough and not true bypass, the input to the delay line could be stopped to allow this...just thinking out loud here.
A switch for buffer/trails and true bypass.no trails?

Good feedback guys thanks.

Sounds like this will be a cool pedal.
Greg

[Dana Olsen]

Man, I never use tap tempo anymore. <shrug>

I just set it for an ambient slapback...I'm the same Mike - I just set it and play nowadays. I AM interested in modulation ...

Andy, I'll fill out my answers to your delay questions later on ... I look forward to the pedal! Your new pedals that I tried at NAMM were FANTASTIC!

Thanks, Dana

[Fuchsaudio]

Usually, the ability to trail off when the effect is disengaged rules OUT the true-bypass feature. Pick one or the other: trails or TB.

If Andy can solve this then the world will beat a path to his door.

I think a switch allowing true bypass (no trails) or active bypass (buffered) WITH trails, internally switchable, would do the trick. There's no really easy way to do true-bypass and yet have trails leak in.... :(

I've got a few feelers out with some Engineers to see about tap tempo. Like Big Mike, I never saw the need personally, but that doesn't mean it can't be a feature. If asked-for, clearly there are those who would want it.

I can tell you the analogue signal path will be tube, and extremely pure sounding, so true bypass may not be an issue.

Thanks guys. Keep 'em coming ! :dude

[coolhand78]

Thanks guys, keep the (positive) answers coming !!

A points of interest: The analogue and delayed signal will mix after the delay, so the incoming dry signal remains pure. My question is: When you hit the footswitch for "bypass" would you want the echo trail to die naturally, or just be turned off immediately ? Assuming the dry signal passing through is pure enough and not true bypass, the input to the delay line could be stopped to allow this...just thinking out loud here.

Good feedback guys thanks.

Definitely let the repeats trail off naturally... But if there was an internal switch for this that would be great....

[Fuchsaudio]

I'm the same Mike - I just set it and play nowadays. I AM interested in modulation ...

Andy, I'll fill out my answers to your delay questions later on ... I look forward to the pedal! Your new pedals that I tried at NAMM were FANTASTIC!

Thanks, Dana

Most appreciated Dana. Looking forward to your input on this as well.
I'm discussing the tap-tempo idea with a couple of my engineer buddies, and am taking in all the options people seem to like.

I've looked at most of the boutique delays most mentioned: Diamond, Skreddy, T-Rex, SIB, etc, and trying to see the common, most popular features amongst them. I have a few twist and turns in mind as well.....

[dimperdoo]

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? maybe a switch - does this tie in w/ true/buffered bypass?

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? nope

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? nope

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?). maybe intensity could be internal?

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?] a few internal values seems appealing to tinkerers and "set and forget" types who will be happy once they've chosen their values.

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? 1 second seems like plenty

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? sounds like a good choice for an internal control

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? i like the "selectable" option - with the "trails" being chosen in that fashion as well. -external?

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? not so much

:munch

Perhaps a "deluxe" version w/ the more involved controls and a "standard" version that would appeal to the masses?

I like the idea (since delay can actually be so much more than just "delay") of lots of control -even if some is internal "set and forget" stuff.

The trails option seems quite valid to me. I don't use tap-tempo... but, that's something for the "deluxe" version? :worried

[Fuchsaudio]

I'm not a big believer in options. I did this in the beginning with amps. The website starts looking like a Chinese restaurant menu, and dealers have almost the exact unit in stock, but not quite the one. It's as bad as multiple tolex colors and hardwoods etc.

While a basic model and an advanced or more elaborate model makes some sense, I'd rather try to make one full-featured model, sell lots, and keep the price competitive. The more models, the more you have to stock etc.

Keep kickin feedback guys. I think the shortlist is almost done.

[coolhand78]

The website starts looking like a Chinese restaurant menu, and dealers have almost the exact unit in stock, but not quite the one. It's as bad as multiple tolex colors and hardwoods etc.


Absolutely... couldn't agree more... it's like buying a multi effects unit as opposed to stomp boxes...

Get your pedal to do what it does VERY well. i think this is why i'm such a fan of the memory lane... does what it does as good as anything on the market... but its not ridiculous and isnt like a space station...

[Fuchsaudio]

My thoughts exactly coolhand.

[JZG]

Moderators, move this, should it be in the wrong place.

I'm looking for input on a new delay pedal project from the TGP crew.

If you want to participate, please quote me, and add your answers after the question, so when I print it out, everything is in order and can be attributed to a specific author, should it be needed for follow ups etc.

I am working on a pretty slick delay pedal project, and have some basic questions relating to modulation and some general features.

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? Yes

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? Nope

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? No, I like to simulate an actual chorus effect. Modulating the delay is a much more subtle approach that I like, as opposed to using an actual chorus pedal.

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?). Yes, would prefer control over both

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?] External, without question

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? No

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ? Maybe not necessary, but might be a very cool option

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ? Indifferent, but buffered if I had to choose

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ? Not necessary, but might be a neat option

:munch

Looking forward to seeing this.

[jw112]

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ? not for me

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ? nope

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ? Yes

Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?) variable could be great but not deal breaker if preset is great

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ? 1 sec is fine wiht more bandwidth

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?
yes, but not deal breaker if preset is great

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

MIX knob would be my choice AND "delay should split the signal at the input and then blend the repeats back in at the output (like a mixer) so as to not affect the original signal" i agree 100%

[sodapopinski]

Thanks guys, keep the (positive) answers coming !!

A points of interest: The analogue and delayed signal will mix after the delay, so the incoming dry signal remains pure. My question is: When you hit the footswitch for "bypass" would you want the echo trail to die naturally, or just be turned off immediately ? Assuming the dry signal passing through is pure enough and not true bypass, the input to the delay line could be stopped to allow this...just thinking out loud here.

Good feedback guys thanks.

i like for it to trail off, but i know some people like it to stop immediately, you can add a switch to choose. Also, tap tempo would be desirable :)

[zerorez]

:agree

I would like trails personally, its more of a natual degradation of the effect.

[coolhand78]

Any word on how this pedal is progressing? Andy?

[Fuchsaudio]

We're hoping to introduce some delay units (at various price points and feature sets) at the LA amp show in October. The top of the line unit is the flagship of the line, and there should be two other units will be stripped down versions of the same technology.

Some cool things coming....thanks for waking up the thread.

[coolhand78]

i'm pretty much sorted for delay but i'll be keeping a very close eye on whatever it is that you have coming out... do you have any more info for us or is all a bit cloak and dagger at the moment...i completely understand if it is mind you... ;)

cheers

[stratotone]

What makes these pedals different from what's already out there? Not trying to be argumentative, but there are a lot of great delay pedals out there at all different price/feature points.

[Fuchsaudio]

Well, as a manufacturer, you have to walk the fine line between tossing around hype and product discretion, especially if you are working on some things you consider extremely cool, and that have some proprietary design attributes in them. With all due respect to Mike: The Fulltone solid state tape delay is a great example of people getting tired of waiting for something that might be made....:nono

At this point there are up to 3 designs in the works.

UNIT ONE: "Replay" (tm) tube delay:Think "SIB" delay done much, much, better. The top of the line unit is a digital based delay unit with all tube analog audio, that looks and sounds like nothing out there, period. 16-khz bandwidth, Tap tempo, 50-ms to 1-second of adjustable delay, variable repeats (with adjustable frequency contouring to emulate tape), wow and flutter controls to additionally emulate tape, a separate FX loop for the delay signal (to allow it to processed before mixing back into the analog dry signal), a brick solid package thats super solid and looks, well, like you'll want it...Think modern day echoplex with the fidelity and warmth, and without all the nonsense of head cleaners, pinch rollers, and mechanical bull$hit wearing out. 9-V external supply w/switching power supply for 300-V on the tubes. Can be used on a pedal board in front of a clean amp (9 X 6") footprint, or with external kill pedal and run through a loop. I've a/b'ed it to the TTE, and it does battle easily, and will sell for quite a bit less.

"Replay Jr" Tube Delay: Many of the above features, all tube audio dry and mix, a simpler and smaller package, same great sound at a more affordable price. Not sure what features from top unit will carry over into unit 2. Pedal sized package 7 X 4 tentative.

Unit-3: (tentative) A low end delay, along the lines of the Carbon Copy package (perhaps a little larger) and similar feature set, should we choose to do battle in that segment of the marketplace. Have not yet decided on this model yet.

We're using the same digital engine that's in the Verbrator & Good Verbrations, which is a terrific sounding platform, and if I didn't think we could make an impact in the delay market, I wouldn't bother. :aok

[jzucker]

frankly, i'd ditch the tube idea. It's a gimmick IMO. I don't want anything else in my signal path. The skreddy sounds great without a tube. Too many people mistake dark repeats for tape. The EP3 doesn't have a tube. That should be the benchmark IMO. As someone else said, if you can duplicate the skreddy for less money and better availability you will do very well...

[Fuchsaudio]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I always appreciate it. Actually, I had originally planned on three echos. I have two near completion. Possibly a lower end remaining product could very well be an entirely solid state unit, with some of the features of the Skreddy. One feature we try to build-in is availability :) . I did not know they were so hard to get. Food for thought. My digital delay is on a single sub board, that could easily be connected to a solid state board as readily as the tube boards now.

I agree with you that many people think a delay with a crappy bandwidth is the answer to sounding tape like or analogue. I don't think that's the answer honestly. I have taken a unique approach to that in our delay pedals, and will post more about it when we introduce them and the pictures and technical data can be made public.

Where I don't agree with you is calling the tube "a gimmick". As someone who loves the sound of tubes, I'd take a tube over a solid state device whenever I can. Initial dealer feedback and pre-orders seem to concur.

Let me give you my two cents as to why: FWIW, you will need a wet/dry mix in most any delay. Of course, if it's a processor, where the wet and dry signals all go through the processor chips, that's a moot point. In analogue delays, a tube, transistor, can do the mix. Many (or most perhaps) delays are fully digital. You hear the D/A conversion on wet as well as dry signals, as well as controlling the repeats etc, entirely in the digital domain. While this is fine generally, I think this is also why many delay pedals and processors sound like a$$ imho.

Why (if you were a purest) would you not like the idea of a properly designed analogue tube stage, which gave you a pure natural dry signal, and then mixed it with the digital delay signal in via that tube ? Couple a high quality digital delay, a repeat circuit that has a variable high end adjustable bandwidth (16-KHZ digital quality and adjustable downward in response to progressively decrease the quality of the repeats), wow and flutter controls, tap tempo, and a cool tube audio circuit, and I think you would have something very cool.

Keep your eye out for the press release, and maybe I can get a unit to you to play with a little. Have I let you down before Jack ??? :banana:banana:banana

[jzucker]

i'd love to try one. what are you projecting the price to be?

[octatonic]

Is Guitar AND line level (loop use) important ?

90% of the time I use fx on the front end of the amp.
I only use loops reluctantly.

Any guess on the most desirable frequency for modulation on repeats ?

Nope.

Is your main goal for modulation to simulate wow & flutter like from an analogue tape unit ?

Yup.


Would variable frequency AND variable intensity on the modulation be important to you ? (or could you live with a fixed frequency and JUST an intensity control ?).

Would be nice, but isn't a dealbreaker.

[For example, the Carbon Copy has .2 hz to 2.2 hz, adjustable (but) internally. Are those adjustments ok, and making them internal or external acceptable ?]

Our delay is currently running one full second or so, with a 16-Khz bandwidth. Would you tolerate a 10 or 12-K bandwidth and want more delay time ?

I don't need massive amounts of delay time.
It would be nice to be able to take that 1 second and split it into one 350ms and one 500ms delay that can be mixed. This is my most used setting on the Timefactor.

Do you want, need, or would you even use, tone control on the repeats ?

I would use it.

True or buffered bypass ? (or selectable) ?

Buffered for me please.

Separate output for dry and delay w/or w/out level control ?

Don't need it- but I do need to be able to use an expression pedal for wet/dry mix.

[jzucker]

FYI wow and flutter are not the deciding factors in making a delay sound like an echoplex. Lots of digital and analog delays have that and sound nothing like tape. It's like saying that adding a bright compressed sound to a SS amp simulates tubes.

[Fuchsaudio]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-gAHWRmPwA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eL3TsTfn1Q

One of three new models. :D

[jzucker]

i really like the 3rd demo. It's possibly the closest I've heard to tape. I'd like to hear some clean strat stuff with it. Really nice andy.

[Fuchsaudio]

Thanks Jack, I know you have high standards :). I'll try to get to doing some Strat clips, perhaps later in the week.

[jzucker]

Andy, did you mention a price yet? I'm very interested. I was considering a skreddy but I definitely want to check out your pedal. I was skeptical at first but the last clip sounded really great.

[Fuchsaudio]

The three units are (approx) Replay-3: 300, Replay-JR: 400,and Replay: 600 MAP. Top line unit about 1/2 the price of the TTE. Based on preliminary dealer feedback, we have some good price points there.

Still finalizing pricing based on various vendors feedback, assembly time cost studies, and so forth.

[jzucker]

do you have preliminary specs for each one or a synopsis of the feature sets?

[Fuchsaudio]

do you have preliminary specs for each one or a synopsis of the feature sets?


What, am I writing a term paper ? Synopsis ? Big words from a guitar player :).

Full specs, pricing and pictures will be posted to our site in the near future.
Thanks for everyone's patience.
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