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hippietim
05-10-2009, 08:03 PM
The 12ma! Ok, no surprise there really. But... (there's always a but...)

The 8ma kicks MUCH ASS.

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My 8ma came on Thursday but life happened and I couldn't test it with the Axe-FX until today. Yesterday I spent a bunch of time rewiring the band PA. It's now a sweet prewired rig with just a snake to the stage - 14 sends to the mixer and 6 returns to the stage (2 for the mains and 4 monitor mixes). After I finished wiring it and doing the "tap" test to see if I'm getting signals where I expect them, I wanted to test the stage returns. I looked across the room and there was the wonderfully handy little 8ma. Holy crap this thing was loud and punchy with just an SM58! Of course the real miracle is that I wired the board with those sends/returns, a couple multi-effects, separate EQs for each monitor send, and compressors inserted on the vocal and kick channels and it worked right the first time. :p
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Ok, now to the part that you guys actually care about. I fired up the Axe-FX and first ran Out 1 to the 8ma and Out 2 to the 12ma. I was getting very low output from Out 2 even with things cranked (WTF?) so I abandoned that idea and just switched back and forth between the 8ma and 12ma from Out 1.

At moderate volumes like you'd need at rehearsal or like an open mic jam type thing the 8ma held it's own quite well. In fact, I was totally digging the 8ma. It got loud enough to get my ears ringing and then some. Then I switched over to the 12ma and it was like "oh yeah, this is a bad mo-fo". The 12ma just has more punch in the low-end. There really is no way to get the chest thumping low-end out of the 8ma that you can from the 12ma. But here's the cool thing - the 8ma handles all the bass well - it can't render it the same way as the 12ma can at high volumes but it doesn't fart out (get flubby, etc.) at all. I cranked stuff way loud and the 8ma took it all and handled it. It did feel like there is some sort of limiter though since it just capped off at a certain volume no matter how much signal you hit it with. But it never "gave up".

My plan for the 8ma is to use it as a stage monitor and my backup amp for gigs and I'll use it with a POD X3 for grab and go situations. This is a fantastic box.

BTW, if you plan on grabbing an 8ma I highly recommend you grab the carrying bag - the 8ma doesn't have a handle. It may only be 24lbs but for it's size it is relatively heavy with a semi-slick finish and you really want a handle to carry it around.

zion
05-10-2009, 08:09 PM
Thanks for the much-needed info.!

hippietim
05-10-2009, 08:19 PM
I should also add that the 8ma really has great clarity in the mids and highs without any of the "playing in a cement tunnel" sound that you get with a bunch of smaller/cheaper FRFR systems.

At more "reasonable" volumes without going for chest thumping bass settings the 8ma hangs with it's big brother quite nicely.

And at very low bedroom volumes I think the 8ma probably sounds a little better than the 12ma.

bluesdoc
05-10-2009, 09:05 PM
That's kind of how I feel about my maxx4a and maxx2a. FBT makes some great sounding stuff!!

jon

Blueser
05-11-2009, 05:34 AM
OK....I am ready to jump on the waiting list for one of these (12ma in my case). Who should I order from?

Thanks,
B

Scott Peterson
05-11-2009, 06:52 AM
I bought my 8ma from RMC Audio and highly recommend them. Good folks.

hippietim
05-11-2009, 07:12 AM
I got my 12ma from RMC Audio - very cool folks to deal with. Then I found http://springtree.net (http://springtree.net/) and they are also very cool and have lower prices - that's who I got my 8ma from.

Also, http://chucklevins.com carries FBT - Chuck's is my favorite music store in the whole world - I just didn't know they carried FBT until the other day when I was talking to one of the guitar guys and mentioned my Axe-FX rig.

Blueser
05-11-2009, 03:36 PM
YOW!!! 6-8 week back-order. You would think they are giving these things away!

I put in an inquiry with all of these dealers, and order from the one with the best price/delivery time. Thanks again.

Turbo Gerbil
05-11-2009, 09:45 PM
I imagine one of the hazards of the internet forums is that good reviews of some items can cause spikes in ordering that take companies by surprise. :)

OutterLimits
05-15-2009, 10:29 AM
Thanks for the report ... I bought an 8ma based on your observations and it really is a great little butt-kicking monitor. I am on the backordered waiting list for a 12ma ... but the 8ms should do fine for now. Man, that sucker gets loud ... but sounds really full and clear.

lazymonday
05-15-2009, 10:50 AM
Has anyone used the passive version of this? I already have a Carvin DCM150 so I was hoping to utilize it but I'm unsure how much power I'll eventually need. Only playing small/med church sites :)

hippietim
05-15-2009, 10:55 AM
Has anyone used the passive version of this? I already have a Carvin DCM150 so I was hoping to utilize it but I'm unsure how much power I'll eventually need. Only playing small/med church sites :)

I don't know of anyone that has tried this out. You'd miss out on having it biamped - not sure how much of an impact that would have.

stratzrus
05-15-2009, 01:12 PM
You guys have me convinced.

As soon as I recover from financing my vacation (North Sea Jazz in Rotterdam) I'm definitely getting an 8ma.

Scott Peterson
05-15-2009, 02:15 PM
I'm on the 12ma waiting list. I'll be in the next shipment. Woot!

QSC is now for sale. The 8ma has me utterly convinced and sold on FBT and their Verve line.

Jarrett
05-15-2009, 03:03 PM
I'm still wondering if the 12ma can handle bass guitar or not. Any chance anyone has tried it at this point?

larbear63
05-15-2009, 04:03 PM
i had an EV sxa360 for a week & didn't care for it, but it did show me the potential the the FRFR. i returned it & ordered the 12ma, but they are a 6 week backorder. in the meantime, on the recommendation of scott, i bought an 8ma.
HOLY FREAKIN' SH*T!!!!! it kicks major ass. this little thing sounds soooo much better than the EV. very uncolored, perfect canvass for the AXE/FX.

before this i have been using poweramp/guitar cabinet for the year & a half i've had my axe, micing the cabinet & have been happier with it than any other rig i've ever owned.

NOW IT'S ALL CHANGED!! my stage & FOH will be identical sound. http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_biggrin.gif

Anthony Gring
05-16-2009, 12:43 PM
I took the plunge too. Ordered a 12ma yesterday from RMC. 5-6 weeks is what I was told. Patience, patience.... Thanks Scott and Tim for your help.

solo-act
05-18-2009, 08:17 AM
I've been gigging with an 8ma for almost a year. I've liked it since day one.
But I never turned it up (low volume gigs) and it's so tiny I never told anyone about it. Then I cranked mine to review it for Scott and whoa.....it's a frikken little roaring beast!

Great ratio of loudness/size/price/sonic girth.

To get them to sound fatter you need to inject around 80hz into them and turn up until you hear the low end fill out. From what I hear, even with low end cranked, they don't do much below 80 hz, and they already have plenty of lows from 120 & up. Also remember, adding those lows will affect headroom as the lows will work amp/driver a lot more, causing the limiting to kick in earlier.

stratzrus
05-18-2009, 09:45 AM
I've been gigging with an 8ma for almost a year. I've liked it since day one.

To get them to sound fatter you need to inject around 80hz into them and turn up until you hear the low end fill out. From what I hear, even with low end cranked, they don't do much below 80 hz, and they already have plenty of lows from 120 & up. Also remember, adding those lows will affect headroom as the lows will work amp/driver a lot more, causing the limiting to kick in earlier.When I get my 8ma I plan to sit it on top of my Rivera Sub 1 (1x12 JBL w 300 watt SS internal amp). Hopefully the two will play nice together, and I'm sure that the bottom end will be more than enough for my home studio.

Jarrett
05-18-2009, 03:01 PM
Then I found http://springtree.net (http://springtree.net/) and they are also very cool and have lower prices - that's who I got my 8ma from.

Thanks for the tip, my 8ma will be here Wednesday :) They said they've had about 300 requests on the 12ma, roughly 15 requests a day. He said, "Apparently all these people are using this 'Spectral Analysis' thing or something and they are going crazy to get a 12ma" I told him it was Fractal Audio and that's why I was calling as well :)

This is just one store that was mentioned in just a couple of threads. It made me realize how many were on the FAS bandwagon these days.