So I came up with a delay pedal idea and got a question...

[drod2045]

So I was in a meeting at work and bam - a delay pedal idea hits me.

during lunch i drew it up in paint (hahaha) but i have some interesting ideas.

I am no engineer by any means so all this "design" is hypothetical and for fun. But what I was wondering - is it possible to have a signal enter the input of a pedal and pass through the output with a parallel delayed signal being applied? Therefore - the dry signal is completely unaltered whether engaged or not. the delay signal is like a secondary signal passing through the output in addition with the dry tone.

I know this is possible with parallel loops and mixers but wondered if it were possible from within the pedal.

Thanks,

Dan

Maybe later Ill post a pic and description of what I came up with. For now - I'mm calling it the "Mistery Delay" - the "Mist" control is what "inspired" me :D

[Tibbonds]

Lots of delays already work like that - The Marshall Echohead, for one. If a delay has a 'level' control rather than a 'mix' control (IE it doesn't ever go 100% wet), the likelihood is it works this way.

[ninjaaron]

So I was in a meeting at work and bam - a delay pedal idea hits me.

during lunch i drew it up in paint (hahaha) but i have some interesting ideas.

I am no engineer by any means so all this "design" is hypothetical and for fun. But what I was wondering - is it possible to have a signal enter the input of a pedal and pass through the output with a parallel delayed signal being applied? Therefore - the dry signal is completely unaltered whether engaged or not. the delay signal is like a secondary signal passing through the output in addition with the dry tone.

I know this is possible with parallel loops and mixers but wondered if it were possible from within the pedal.

Thanks,

Dan

Maybe later Ill post a pic and description of what I came up with. For now - I'mm calling it the "Mistery Delay" - the "Mist" control is what "inspired" me :D


You probably need an input buffer.

Not neccisarily, if you have extremely high impedance on the delay line input, but I imagine buffering would make the whole thing work a bit better.

[drod2045]

awesome. good to know. i hope the picture shows but im not sure if itll be big enough. ill try to readjust soon if too small

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[Ed Rembold]

drawing is too small. but the echoczar is as your written description.

Ed R.

[Tibbonds]

Just a little repetition for emphasis - unless your idea for a delay has some crazy awesome features that nothing else does, it's an old idea that you can find in a lot of delay pedals spanning the whole spectrum of budgets. Keeping the dry tone un-digitized and in tact is not a new idea. Marshall Echohead. Boss DD-3. Most of the boutique PT80 type delays.

[drod2045]

there are a lot of delays out there. my idea was simply integrating what i would want. so it would be my dream pedal - it puts a lot of what i like about other pedals and combines them.

the mist is what really started me because with ym DL-4 - trying to get the right balace of always having a delay in the background but not making your signal almost all wet can be difficult. my goal is to have a delay that has a lot of dream-like space behind your dry tone. Thats where the "mist" knob comes into play.

In short - my pedal "idea" would be a delay pedal and add a reverb circuit to the repeats and contain it all within one pedal. I love the dream soundscape so this is what this goes for.

This would be a digital delay pedal. I think the DMM model on the DL-4 is good enough for this application (I like it a lot esp when using both dummy plugs)

MISTERY DELAY

Knobs:
Top Row - Delay Volume, Tone, Mix
Mid Row - Mod Rate, Mod Depth, Store, Scroll, Preset Screen
Bottom Row - Delay Time, Mist, Repeats

Footswitches:
Left to Right
Bypass, Normal/Dot 8, Oscillation, Tap Tempo

Inputs:
Stereo ins, Stereo outs, power, Expression

Description: A Digital delay that maintains unity output dry level whether the pedal is turned off or on. The goal is to keep the dry signal intact while being able to added an euthrethral amount of delays behind your signal - because who uses 100% wet anyway? Buffered input and output and the pedal will trail its delays when turned off for natural ingress/degress out of delayed sounds.

The purpose of the mix knob is to mix in the amount of delays you want in parallel with your dry signal. You can then adjust the volume of those delays in parallel as well. The dry signal stays unaltered.

The Mist control is a reverb like circuit that adds reverb dreaminess to the delayed signals. Turning this to the right adds more and more dream-like sound making the background delayed signal a cave of sound.

The footswitches allow you to switch from your preset time and automatically adjust it to a dotted 8th tempo for u2 like sounds. You can also throw your pedal into oscillation via the momentary osciallation switch. the longer you hold it - the crazier it gets. The pedal also features tap tempo so you can match your song's tempo on the fly without changing presets.

The pedal also allows the storage of up to 10 presets.

Exp jack adjusts the delay volume and mix so that you can progressivly blend more delay into your tone.




thoughts????

[Tibbonds]

My thoughts are the delay volume and mix pots serve the exact same function, and the Boss DD-20 can do almost everything you've dreamed up apart from expression control.

Out of interest, do you have any way of making this happen? Or is it just a dream?

[drod2045]

haha just a dream. i see that the DD20, RE20, Echoczar have some or all of these features. But they dont all put them in one package with the functionality I'd like.

A Dot 8 footswitch would be great rather than having to change presets

An oscillation momentary footswitch that you could hold down would solve bending over on stage. This is basically like the SIB Echo Plus with Slam. Ive seen this feature on 1 other pedal only.

the mist/reverb control i think would have different textures as it was increased. For example, as you got towards the max setting, it could add some upper octave registers (like an octo setting on the verbzilla). The Echoczar has a waitlist thats still in 2005, a monster price tag (deserving of the $ but still its a lot). The RE20 didnt do what I expected/wanted. So for me - this could be a new feature.



So its nothing completely earth shatteringly new - but Im just looking for some features of other pedals and trying to combine them.

IMO - I dont see anything very new about the TC Repeater - but theyre putting it out and ppl are amped for it. All it does is combine features of the nova and readjusted knobs in a new package (on the large scale). Being digital would also likely keep the $ more reasonable. Also - typically, digital means easier to mass produce and doesnt have a 2 year waitlist.


So yes - its a dream. but were allowed to dream. and i was bored. so i posted.