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Catoogie
06-05-2009, 11:36 PM
Sammy Hagar sucks, his lyric are lame.

Joe's guitar sound ain't happening, his gain sounds are synthy, he looks at his fret board too much and he's not that funky of a rhythm player. And he's one of those guys who has hairy upper arms.

Mike's high harmony sound really shrill and not good.

This shit ain't that good. REALLY boring. NO SONGS

Luke Gibson
06-05-2009, 11:38 PM
Pretty cool Joe gave Conan his guitar and Chad had a shirt the said "I'm not Will Ferrell".....

...I'm a glass is half full kinda guy anyway!

shoe
06-05-2009, 11:38 PM
I think the album sounds great. I haven't see the Conan performance (hasn't aired in CO yet) but am looking forward to it.

jammybastard
06-05-2009, 11:43 PM
They did not sound good.
Especially Satch.
I haven't listened to him in awhile and had forgot how processed and rounded his sound it. It's like he's stuck in the Eventide sound vortex circa '89.
What a shame as I was pulling for them.

Yes, Sammy's lyrics blow. I sometimes wonder why he bothers because he sounds so lazy.
Usually his songs have something sexual and something about drinking all held together by cliche's we've heard before in other songs. Tonight's example was the "hoochie coochie man" bit.

On the upside they looked liked they were having fun, and it's interesting how the logo looks on the guitar and bass...rather "stripey" isn't it?

Wagster
06-05-2009, 11:45 PM
This thread should go well :munch

908SSP
06-05-2009, 11:46 PM
I heard the whole new album earlier I liked it. I liked the guitar fills better than the lead singing melody but I figure you almost need that to get air play. I hope they sell well.

Zero G
06-05-2009, 11:48 PM
And he's one of those guys who has hairy upper arms.


What does that have to do with anything?

Electric I
06-05-2009, 11:49 PM
While I agree with some of the criticisms, it wasn't all bad.

And why they released the lamest song on the record as a 1st single is beyond me...

distorted noise
06-05-2009, 11:49 PM
i thought the song was terrible.

Catoogie
06-05-2009, 11:50 PM
What does that have to do with anything?


I was sorta trying to be funny. But it is true. He shaves his head, why not give the upper arms a go over. Sorta sucks, you lose you lid but your arms are covered.

Zero G
06-05-2009, 11:53 PM
I was sorta trying to be funny. But it is true. He shaves his head, why not give the upper arms a go over. Sorta sucks, you lose you lid but your arms are covered.

haha, yeah...I'm sure if he was single and was worried about criticism he might have done it, but Joe doesn't worry about shit. I've met him a couple times. He's a very laid back, approachable dude...

Catoogie
06-05-2009, 11:54 PM
haha, yeah...I'm sure if he was single and was worried about criticism he might have done it, but Joe doesn't worry about shit. I've met him a couple times. He's a very laid back dude...

Yeah, I'm sure he's doing just fine.

realityczech
06-05-2009, 11:55 PM
Just as an experiment if you heard this music in its context without the fame and facial recognition factor how would it fly?

Now your thinking like a suit.

RussB
06-05-2009, 11:59 PM
Wow, a major hate-fest happenin' here :(


Me, I though theye were great! I had never heard of them before. Very cool of Satch to give his guitar to Conan

Catoogie
06-05-2009, 11:59 PM
Just as an experiment if you heard this music in its context without the fame and facial recognition factor how would it fly?

Now your thinking like a suit.

I don't think it would fly. It's REALLY dated and mediocre...........now that's just judging from what I saw. I didn't see one thing that indicated these cats were legendary. No thundering, grooving drums. The guitar was........ok, solo was lame, tone was bad. Lyrics were atrocious and embarrassing. They looked old and disjointed, no unified image. Mike Anthony was wearing what appeared to be a Ed Hardy shirt for cryin out loud. It's not good.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:00 AM
Me, I though theye were great! I had never heard of them before. Very cool of Satch to give his guitar to Conan

He gets them for free.

realityczech
06-06-2009, 12:02 AM
I don't think it would fly. It's REALLY dated and mediocre...........now that's just judging from what I saw. I didn't see one thing that indicated these cats were legendary. No thundering, grooving drums. The guitar was........ok, solo was lame, tone was bad. Lyrics were atrocious and embarrassing. They looked old and disjointed, no unified image. Mike Anthony was wearing what appeared to be a Ed Hardy shirt for cryin out loud. It's not good.

Thanks for the direct answer. We need more of that around here.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:05 AM
Thanks for the direct answer. We need more of that around here.

History would prove you wrong.....I usually get vilified for being so direct with my opinions. Funny thing is, I get paid for my direct musical opinions in my normal life so...........

Mayfield
06-06-2009, 12:08 AM
I thought they wore the appropriate shoes for the occassion....

JDouglee
06-06-2009, 12:10 AM
So far all I've gathered is Joe needs a waxing. Looking forward to the show!

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:11 AM
I thought they wore the appropriate shoes for the occassion....

Hmmmmm, really? You may be right as Sammy wore red shoes which did touch on his whole 'Red Rocker' persona. Good call on the footwear.

The Last Rebel
06-06-2009, 12:14 AM
The main thing that stuck out (pun only slightly intended) was Sammy's gut. He looks really out of shape. The best part of the whole performance was Chad Smith's "I Am Not Will Ferrell" shrit.

realityczech
06-06-2009, 12:14 AM
History would prove you wrong.....I usually get vilified for being so direct with my opinions. Funny thing is, I get paid for my direct musical opinions in my normal life so...........

Put my post on your plus side...for the record.
;)

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:15 AM
So far all I've gathered is Joe needs a waxing. Looking forward to the show!

But the dilemna would be where to stop.....if he did indeed wax his upper arms his forearms would still be encased in a thick coccoon of body fur so it might look even wierder.

The whole shaved head, black wrap-around shades thing sorta looks forced, remember when Kenny Aronoff played with Smashing Pumpkins and they tried to modernize his style? They put him in really tight, form-fitting, shiny t-shirts and made him wear wrap arounds? He's been hanging on to that look and it really looks lame.

realityczech
06-06-2009, 12:18 AM
But the dilemna would be where to stop.....if he did indeed wax his upper arms his forearms would still be encased in a thick coccoon of body fur so it might look even wierder.

The whole shaved head, black wrap-around shades thing sorta looks forced, remember when Kenny Aronoff played with Smashing Pumpkins and they tried to modernize his style? They put him in really tight, form-fitting, shiny t-shirts and made him wear wrap arounds? He's been hanging on to that look and it really looks lame.


Your missng the point with Satch's look.
It's all about the alien factor not the Bravo channel.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:29 AM
Your missng the point with Satch's look.
It's all about the alien factor not the Bravo channel.

Yeah, it's not coming off that way......at least I don't see it. He looks like an older guy who's black jeans are a little too tight in the crotch.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:30 AM
Aliens wear sunglasses?

realityczech
06-06-2009, 12:33 AM
Yeah, it's not coming off that way......at least I don't see it. He looks like an older guy who's black jeans are a little too tight in the crotch.

Aha! Now we know your preferences!

Jet Age Eric
06-06-2009, 12:33 AM
I heard the recording of that tune in Best Buy the other day and, although I dislike the output of everyone in the band (well VH had some good songs with Roth so I guess Anthony has some cred in my book), I thought it sounded good and mindless. I was shocked how the song completely disappeared when they were onstage. Hagar's vocals were tuneless, and it seemed like there was no melody beneath the vocals either. Weird and, well, bad. -E

jimfog
06-06-2009, 12:33 AM
Funny thing is, I get paid for my direct musical opinions in my normal life so...........

Are you writing reviews now, or doing A&R?

Nergalled
06-06-2009, 12:36 AM
This was so bad, it made John Mayer look good from last night, and it was NOT good. Old geriatric washed up rockstars in a "super" band is bad. I feel sorry for them, in a metamucil adult diaper kinda way.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:38 AM
Are you writing reviews now, or doing A&R?

My normal day gig is as a musical specialist but lately I'm finding labels and producers contacting me for my opinions about artists they're working with. It's kinda cool, I try not to bust too hard but it doesn't help them or me in any way if I'm not completely honest. So I just say exactly what I do and don't like about the stuff they send me and what I would change. I can't believe I can make money from it. It's pretty neat.

realityczech
06-06-2009, 12:39 AM
This was so bad, it made John Mayer look good from last night, and it was NOT good. Old geriatric washed up rockstars in a "super" band is bad. I feel sorry for them, in a metamucil adult diaper kinda way.

Sooner than later those diapers will be yours.
Hope you have the capacity to change them yourself or have the family unity to help you when that time comes.

JDouglee
06-06-2009, 12:40 AM
Maybe my band can hire you as a body hair consultant. :o

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:45 AM
Maybe my band can hire you as a body hair consultant. :o

Well I don't get paid for that...........yet but I'm always open.

I'm not proud to admit it but about 15 years ago I used to work the door at the most popular nightclub in New York at the time and I had to choose the people who could come in, a lot of it was based on their look...style etc... (that whole Studio 54 trip) I hated the job but I always made sure nice people got in. And it paid really well.

jimfog
06-06-2009, 12:47 AM
My normal day gig is as a musical specialist

Ok.......what's a "musical specialist"??

realityczech
06-06-2009, 12:49 AM
I smell an enigma wrapped in hyperbole...

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:54 AM
Ok.......what's a "musical specialist"??

I don't want to get into the specifics of the company I work for but........like a lot of people here, I know a shit load about all types of music. I suppose some people respect my knowledge of and taste in music so I use my knowledge and taste to predict which bands, albums and songs will get airplay so our company can focus our attention and resources on tracking them. My formats are Triple A, Americana and Country but it also includes Blues, Gospel, Rock.........all forms of roots music. It's cool....FINALLY I'm getting paid for all of the previously useless information I have stored in this head.

Nergalled
06-06-2009, 12:55 AM
Sooner than later those diapers will be yours.
Hope you have the capacity to change them yourself or have the family unity to help you when that time comes.

Yea, I am sure:barf

Jut horrible.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:56 AM
I also edit the charts for Performing Songwriter (not anymore I suppose since they're done), Paste Magazine, various CMJ charts and our own industry only Triple A (Non-Comm and Commercial), Country and Americana charts.

Nergalled
06-06-2009, 12:58 AM
Sooner than later those diapers will be yours.
Hope you have the capacity to change them yourself or have the family unity to help you when that time comes.

Voice of experience??

realityczech
06-06-2009, 12:58 AM
I don't want to get into the specifics of the company I work for but........like a lot of people here, I know a shit load about all types of music. I suppose some people respect my knowledge of and taste in music so I use my knowledge and taste to predict which bands, albums and songs will get airplay so our company can focus our attention and resources on tracking them. My formats are Triple A, Americana and Country but it also includes Blues, Gospel, Rock.........all forms of roots music. It's cool....FINALLY I'm getting paid for all of the previously useless information I have stored in this head.


Given those lofty self defined parameters why dont you give a listen to all the examples submitted to TGP sound file sections and help your brothers out?

A break is a break right?

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 01:03 AM
Given those lofty self defined parameters why dont you give a listen to all the examples submitted to TGP sound file sections and help your brothers out?

A break is a break right?

Ya know, I don't really have any power or anything. I don't have the power to get anything signed really.....I do have friends I've made over the years who are in those positions and who are always interested in stuff I like and I suppose MAYBE if I found something I felt was exceptional I could get them to listen to it but......I don't like to expoit any of those relationships. Ya know?

Anyway, listening to the stuff in the forums, they're just my opinions and my personal tastes are really specific and I don't find a lot of stuff I really like.

realityczech
06-06-2009, 01:14 AM
Ya know, I don't really have any power or anything. I don't have the power to get anything signed really.....I do have friends I've made over the years who are in those positions and who are always interested in stuff I like and I suppose MAYBE if I found something I felt was exceptional I could get them to listen to it but......I don't like to expoit any of those relationships. Ya know?

Anyway, listening to the stuff in the forums, they're just my opinions and my personal tastes are really specific and I don't find a lot of stuff I really like.


I can dig.
That being said are you telling me that forums and the internet are limited in comparsion to a walk in live gig?
Common knowledge in your given trade would be to peruse all mediums whether it be sent demos, walk in live gigs,youtube,forum clips ect...

BTW- If your in the trade you say you are "what you really like" is irrelevant its what most of everyone else would like

If it were me I'd be all over the all over looking for the next signing.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 01:24 AM
I can dig.
That being said are you telling me that forums and the internet are limited in comparsion to a walk in live gig?
Common knowledge in your given trade would be to peruse all mediums whether it be sent demos, walk in live gigs,youtube,forum clips ect...

BTW- If your in the trade you say you are "what you really like" is irrelevant its what most of everyone else would like

If it were me I'd be all over the all over looking for the next signing.

I'm 43, I have a wife, family and two dogs that I love hanging with. We're far from wealthy but we have nice life and I appreciate doing what I want to do. As far as music is concerned, I love it so much, it means so much to me and gives me so much pleasure that I don't like to do anything involving music that will sour me on it. I don't want to spend my time out in clubs checking stuff out and having to endure stuff I'm not into when I can be in my chair with my dogs in my lap. If someone told me of something that they thought was good perhaps I'd go out and check it out but......life is short and I want to spend my time doing stuff I like.

Ken Ho
06-06-2009, 01:30 AM
I don't get Conan her ein Oz, but I looked at some stuff on youtube, and I did think that the vocals were very dated and unconvincing. If this guy followed DLR in VH, then that fits. Circa 1985, which I hated then, 20 yrs has not improved it.
I thought Satch's guitar tone inthe youtube stuff was nice and thick.
As I recall, Zep almost never did anything in TV studios because the sound always came across so bad. Still seems to be a common theme, and not fair to judge bands or performers in that setting ??

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 01:30 AM
BTW- If your in the trade you say you are "what you really like" is irrelevant its what most of everyone else would like


Hey man, I understand that I may sound elitist or full of shit, I got ya. I really don't care. I'm just being open and honest. In music there are people who are known for having 'ears', sometimes they're called tastemakers or other high falutin' egotistical assinine names. I am certainly no Clive Davis but I feel I have pretty exceptional taste in music and there are those in the industry who sorta feel the same way or they wouldn't pay me for my opinion. Right or wrong, it is what it is.

Like I said, I have no power, I just give my opinion. I like what I like and say it like I feel it. If they find my opinion helpful, great. If they don't, I don't care. I have a day gig so I don't really need their money. Anything extra is gravy. It's sorta like being a musician, people will pay you for stuff you know how to do and would do even if you weren't getting paid to do it. I couldn't believe I could make money by teaching people how to play stuff on the guitar, it was like free money.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 01:33 AM
By the way, realityczech I sent you a PM

baseballnolie34
06-06-2009, 01:52 AM
Ouch... I was really pulling for them (I'm a big fan of Satriani's solo stuff, in particular) but I must say I'm not impressed by anything I've seen so far. The lyrics and creativity in particular are deplorable, but the music itself doesn't excite me, either.

They also have an annoying tendency towards bad and boring jamming, which I imagine would kill a concert experience. I sure hope they prove me wrong over the next few months but I'm not holding my breath.

pete692
06-06-2009, 02:10 AM
I heard the whole new album earlier I liked it. I liked the guitar fills better than the lead singing melody but I figure you almost need that to get air play. I hope they sell well.

And why do you hope they sell well? Are they "Gonna Save Rock -N- Roll"? Haven't they had their day in the spotlight? They had their chance, they've had their successes. Now they wanna take another run at it. Even the guys who want to like this thing can't bring themselves to say it's anything but mediocre. All these guys but Chad are taking a last shot at revitalizing their flagging careers, relying on name recognition, some shitty covers and shittier originals to make a buck. Sammy's a joke, Mike's a refugee, and Satch died with shred. Chad's gonna f*** around and lose his day job in a still somewhat vital and relevant band. He's got the most to lose here.

anxiousmofo
06-06-2009, 02:21 AM
People actually appreciate this drek?
:argue
Oh, my!

pete692
06-06-2009, 02:26 AM
People actually appreciate this drek?
:argue
Oh, my!

Nope. I don't really see Chickenfart gaining much momentum. They should end it now and save themselves any further embarrassment. Lame-O.

robelinda2
06-06-2009, 02:27 AM
I don't get Conan her ein Oz, but I looked at some stuff on youtube, and I did think that the vocals were very dated and unconvincing. If this guy followed DLR in VH, then that fits. Circa 1985, which I hated then, 20 yrs has not improved it.
I thought Satch's guitar tone inthe youtube stuff was nice and thick.
As I recall, Zep almost never did anything in TV studios because the sound always came across so bad. Still seems to be a common theme, and not fair to judge bands or performers in that setting ??

The Conan show is on tonight here in Oz, Comedy Channel. Looking forward to Chickenfoot!

guitarcrazy2004
06-06-2009, 02:30 AM
We have chickenfoot now.....But i can not wait untill eddie returns :BEER

shoe
06-06-2009, 02:35 AM
Wow, sounds like Mike took some liberties with the harmonies. I agree this was far from amazing, but I did find it entertaining. I really do dig some of the stuff from the new album. U2 they are not, but if you're looking for some party-rock to kick back to, the album is a good time.

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 02:42 AM
That was unfortunate.

Does Joe REALLY have to look at his left hand the entire time while playing THAT?

I've heard MUCH better lyrics on "Whose line is it anyway".

supernosher
06-06-2009, 03:51 AM
Those guys probably get together and talk about all their toys and things most of us never get to do... and it comes out in their music! It's just like really comfortable, straight rock music. That said,

I bet .1% (yes one tenth of a percent, AT MOST) of the members on this forum can play as tightly on the beat, energetically, and be such powerhaus's (like a haus of BMW moterwerks) all at once as Smith, Hagar, Satriani, and Anthony. It's like when you're a kid and your father or someone wiser says something to you that you just can't process - it's probably not gonna sound as cool as PIZZA IS HERE!! AND FOR DESSERT I GOT YOU OREOS!

I don't get what Sammy Hagar is doing recording a band that sounds like Led Zeppelin of 2001, but it's not really worth 4 pages of people bashing it. Seems immature for lack of a better word... He jams with guys and doesn't record with THEM... I guess since he sold 80% of Cabo Wabo he needs a new business venture or something. He changed managers just for this band, I think, too - which to me sounds like a midlife crisis.

sorry for rambling... :D

p.s. It's good rock to put on as background music.
p.s.s. It was pretty lame that they had their boring Chickenfoot logo on the kick drum, Hagar's shirt, and both guitars...

siore
06-06-2009, 03:56 AM
It's all good rock music. I'm enjoying it. :BEER

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 03:58 AM
Those guys probably get together and talk about all their toys and things most of us never get to do... and it comes out in their music! It's just like really comfortable, straight rock music. That said,

I bet .1% (yes one tenth of a percent, AT MOST) of the members on this forum can play as tightly on the beat, energetically, and be such powerhaus's (like a haus of BMW moterwerks) all at once as Smith, Hagar, Satriani, and Anthony. It's like when you're a kid and your father or someone wiser says something to you that you just can't process - it's probably not gonna sound as cool as PIZZA IS HERE!! AND FOR DESSERT I GOT YOU OREOS!

I don't get what Sammy Hagar is doing recording a band that sounds like Led Zeppelin of 2001, but it's not really worth 4 pages of people bashing it. Seems immature for lack of a better word... He jams with guys and doesn't record with THEM... I guess since he sold 80% of Cabo Wabo he needs a new business venture or something. He changed managers just for this band, I think, too - which to me sounds like a midlife crisis.

sorry for rambling... :D

p.s. It's good rock to put on as background music.
p.s.s. It was pretty lame that they had their boring Chickenfoot logo on the kick drum, Hagar's shirt, and both guitars...

One persons honest opinion is another persons bashing.

I hadn't heard of Chickenfoot until this thread. I figured I'd check them out and I fully expected the critique here to be harsh. I have to say I feel that what most people are saying here is right on target. It was just bad.

I'd agree that when these guys are AT THEIR BEST maybe .1% of TGP members could hang with them, but this was miles away from their best.

Yngtchie Blacksteen
06-06-2009, 04:08 AM
I expected to like that performance, but I didn't.

supernosher
06-06-2009, 04:30 AM
One persons honest opinion is another persons bashing.

I hadn't heard of Chickenfoot until this thread. I figured I'd check them out and I fully expected the critique here to be harsh. I have to say I feel that what most people are saying here is right on target. It was just bad.

I'd agree that when these guys are AT THEIR BEST maybe .1% of TGP members could hang with them, but this was miles away from their best.

:horse

Well, I respectfully disagree... and it seems that you didn't even process anything in the post you quoted except the number .1%

So far, all the music I've heard on every fora is far, far, far inferior to their Conan performance. That includes me, as well. I'm not looking to Chickenfoot for a keen social commentary or "that feel of solace" so maybe that's why I appreciate it for what it is - cool chord changes, very tight band unity and "powerhaus" playing.:argue

I still won't buy the CD or get excited about downloading it (if I did). :YinYang

supernosher
06-06-2009, 04:31 AM
Actually, all the Peaveys on stage bothered me... :rotflmao

ivers
06-06-2009, 04:34 AM
very tight band unity


I got the diametrically opposite vibe from the Conan performance. Thought there was a distinct lack of 'cohesion' there.

edwarddavis
06-06-2009, 04:51 AM
who`s chicken foot ,serious never heard of them

robelinda2
06-06-2009, 04:59 AM
Watched the vid on You Tube, it was good, not brilliant. I would rather watch that than Nickleback, Simple Plan, Fall Out Boy, Hawthorne Heights, and all the poser bands out there today, score one for good ol' ROCK N ROLL! PLus what was that section in the middle, where the guitar was doing something weird, hang on was that a SOLO??? Dont hear many of those on TV these days, go Joe!

Balok
06-06-2009, 05:15 AM
"Oh, yeah, cmon baby tell me what you need, Oh yeah..etc etc"
ouch
Satch's tone sounded like 2 Ds-1s in series with the gain dimed on each.
And the Chickefoot logo was not in short supply for merch sales.
I realize it's easy to sit at home and watch TV and berate a band, but with all the hype, and the arrogance and shameless marketeering from Hagar, they're asking for it.
EVH must be cackling with delight right about now.

mr tom
06-06-2009, 06:16 AM
I don't think it would fly. It's REALLY dated and mediocre...........now that's just judging from what I saw. I didn't see one thing that indicated these cats were legendary. No thundering, grooving drums. The guitar was........ok, solo was lame, tone was bad. Lyrics were atrocious and embarrassing. They looked old and disjointed, no unified image. Mike Anthony was wearing what appeared to be a Ed Hardy shirt for cryin out loud. It's not good.


Aren't dated and mediocre two of the chief criteria for most folks' listening choices?

sausagefingers
06-06-2009, 06:38 AM
Didn't see this posted yet, for reference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDpYVb2vRJ0

I liked it, but I am outdated too.
:banana:banana:banana

andybaylor
06-06-2009, 06:44 AM
Hmmmm...

Gotta go with the majority with this one.

BTW-Satch lost me after Surfing...

5E3
06-06-2009, 06:53 AM
:argue :FM :facepalm :bong :bkw

:munch

Smakutus
06-06-2009, 07:01 AM
Tonight's example was the "hoochie coochie man" bit.

Yep hoochie coochie man is exactly the kinda thing that turns me off from listening to a Sammy song.

This is not a good song.

Jeff

Cornbread
06-06-2009, 07:04 AM
I turned it off after the solo.
The lyrics were so awful I couldn't stand watching or listening.
Nothing I saw or heard made me ever want to listen to them again.

PosterBoy
06-06-2009, 07:14 AM
T shirt was the best thing about it.

Wagster
06-06-2009, 07:32 AM
http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j291/Opinionnation/chickenshit.jpg

Luke
06-06-2009, 07:33 AM
Sammy lyrics are always lame, he's all about the audience participation.

The vocals sound real strained, like they are not use to touring anymore. The NYC show their voices sounded a lot better.

Luke
06-06-2009, 07:50 AM
When does the mod enter and delete all of the negative posts,
as in the John Mayer thread?

John is supposedly a member here

mvd18969
06-06-2009, 07:51 AM
I just checked it out on youtube...........not good. If these guys weren't who they are and I went to an original music rock club and this was the band, I'd leave after a couple of songs...

madaxeman
06-06-2009, 07:56 AM
Well guys, thank you all once again for a great laugh over my morning coffee. TGP never fails to disappoint. I did not see the show but I did hear most of the album and was not immediately blown away but I never pass judgment on something the first time I hear it. As far as all the comments above like ... did you see his shoes,shirt hat etc. or the lyrics sucked or Joe looks at his hand too much. Hilarious!! I think these are four guys who have the time and money to get together, have fun and do what they want. I think it's astonishingly that simple. I do agree however that they should all come on here and post apologies to all the naysayers above for not personally consulting them first on what to wear,write and play. ;)

Goorider
06-06-2009, 08:10 AM
i thought it was great fun! i will see them live when they come around. nothing more than rocknroll.

waxnsteel
06-06-2009, 08:18 AM
That was unfortunate.

Does Joe REALLY have to look at his left hand the entire time while playing THAT?

I've heard MUCH better lyrics on "Whose line is it anyway".

Yeah, but look at it this way, when has Joe ever played regular old rock. He probably had to learn to play like us regular Joes to play that stuff.

I like the Oh Yeah lick on the studio cut. The lyrics are cheesy, but I still enjoy listening to it. Not well executed on the Conan show, and the half-step tuning takes energy away from it if you're used to hearing it the other way.

waxnsteel
06-06-2009, 08:20 AM
I just checked it out on youtube...........not good. If these guys weren't who they are and I went to an original music rock club and this was the band, I'd leave after a couple of songs...

If these guys weren't who they are, we wouldn't even be talking about it.

carbz
06-06-2009, 08:34 AM
:barf:facepalm

madaxeman
06-06-2009, 08:36 AM
i thought it was great fun! i will see them live when they come around. nothing more than rocknroll.

Exactly...I don't think they are trying to re-invent rock n roll here or save it or make a fashion statement. They are just who they are, playing together and that's it.

Ed Alvarado
06-06-2009, 08:41 AM
Dayum! This is a rough crowd!

GuitarsFromMars
06-06-2009, 08:43 AM
While I agree with some of the criticisms, it wasn't all bad.

And why they released the lamest song on the record as a 1st single is beyond me...


Which song was released as the first single?

CocoTone
06-06-2009, 08:45 AM
Well, considering they prolly had no warmp time, and trying to rein in the volume in a TV studio live, and also taking into account that Sammy is in his sixities, i think they rocked pretty hard. This stuff is probably a snoozefest for Joe, as he has the chops to really make things interesting, but I think they'll make more money than any of us.
we'll see how ya'll do when your on Conan.

CT.

Luke
06-06-2009, 08:46 AM
All these guys but Chad are taking a last shot at revitalizing their flagging careers, relying on name recognition, some shitty covers and shittier originals to make a buck. Sammy's a joke, Mike's a refugee, and Satch died with shred. Chad's gonna f*** around and lose his day job in a still somewhat vital and relevant band. He's got the most to lose here.

I disagree.

Satriani can always go back to his G3 format and sell out venues of 1,500 patrons.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers are on break, the guitarist also just put an album. And in reality, the RHCP are Anthony and Flea, Chad is their 5th or so drummer. I highly doubt Chad gets 25% of the action, so he might be in need of a paycheck to maintain his lifestyle if this Chili break turns out to be a few years.

Sammy has 15 Ferraris,
Owns a Cantina in Cabo, San Lucas, Mexico called "Cabo Wabo". Manufactures a Tequila under the same name of "Cabo Wabo".
Has houses in Cabo, San Lucas, Mexico - Maui, Hawaii - and in Northern California near San Francisco
http://www.bobgruen.com/potda/RockRollHallofFame07/_MG_2992.jpg

So he is either super rich or is spending every dime he sees.

Michael Anthony can always get a gig in a nostalgia band looking to tour. He's solid if not exciting and sings backup vocals well, is well liked and avoids controversy.

I believe this band will be a one and done scenario. People are tight on cash, so filling big venues is hard enough for acts like U2 and Madonna. I can't see this band ever turning a profit on this album, since I am pretty certain they are traveling 1st class all the way but playing 3rd class gigs so far.

fjwiv
06-06-2009, 08:50 AM
My wife saw it, she thought it was a joke she didnt quite get. The only people she recoginzed were Sammy and Will Ferrell.

"I'm not sure why it's funny, I was waiting for a punchline." "Will Ferrell is actually a good drummer".....

ZenFly06
06-06-2009, 09:07 AM
The album has all the elements of a good hard rockin' record I'd put on to RAWK out to except one. Songs. Good Rawkin requires good songs. Even now after all of these years, even after the demise of radio, the guitar solo in pop music, it's still about the SONG.

That weren't much of a song. Although it was nice to see all the trappings of rock displayed on network tv. And cudos that Sammy can still sing like that at ~60. Nice retirement plan.

To the earlier poster who thought it was his "mid life crisis"...oh yeah! 60 is the new 50!

buddastrat
06-06-2009, 09:09 AM
Totally agree with the OP. Somethin' to be said for chemistry.

I was excited to see it, and shocked after. I figured the guitar would be cool, but it was medicore, without even some cool hook or something. Before it started, I thought I should count how many times Hagar says "Baby".. Then I thought, nah he can't come out and keep doing the same lame thing. The worst lyricst on the planet. I thought it was me, but I was wrong.

Satch's tone stunk it up. No character to it. It was very blah tone. The whole thing was so blah, even Mike A who I always really dug. You'd think they have a lot of potential.

Should'a had Sammy playing some guitar to fill in the sound as well.

It sounded like they made that song up in about 5 minutes.

Glide
06-06-2009, 09:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TT19cB0NTM

buddastrat
06-06-2009, 09:20 AM
They should've played a cover of Bad Motor Scooter or somethin' and we'd all be saying how awesome it was.

jammybastard
06-06-2009, 09:23 AM
My wife saw it, she thought it was a joke she didnt quite get. The only people she recoginzed were Sammy and Will Ferrell.

"I'm not sure why it's funny, I was waiting for a punchline." "Will Ferrell is actually a good drummer".....

She's a keeper!

carbz
06-06-2009, 09:24 AM
The material on this record is so bad that it makes VH3 with Cherone sound brilliant. Not sure how MA could listen to some old DLR era VH tracks and not be sick to his stomach. My guess is they are doing this just for fun.

plexistack
06-06-2009, 09:24 AM
posted for reference...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDpYVb2vRJ0

jammybastard
06-06-2009, 09:25 AM
They should've played a cover of Bad Motor Scooter or somethin' and we'd all be saying how awesome it was.

only if you are over 50!

Mercury25
06-06-2009, 09:40 AM
My wife saw it, she thought it was a joke she didnt quite get. The only people she recoginzed were Sammy and Will Ferrell.

"I'm not sure why it's funny, I was waiting for a punchline." "Will Ferrell is actually a good drummer".....

Don't you mean cowbell player?

daddyo
06-06-2009, 09:43 AM
The sound quality is a sgood as any I've heard on a TV talk show. The song is generic cock rock for sure - it's no California Dreaming - but the band is just a fun rock band. Were you expecting Pink Floyd?

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 10:18 AM
:horse

Well, I respectfully disagree... and it seems that you didn't even process anything in the post you quoted except the number .1%

So far, all the music I've heard on every fora is far, far, far inferior to their Conan performance. That includes me, as well. I'm not looking to Chickenfoot for a keen social commentary or "that feel of solace" so maybe that's why I appreciate it for what it is - cool chord changes, very tight band unity and "powerhaus" playing.:argue

I still won't buy the CD or get excited about downloading it (if I did). :YinYang

I processed your entire post. I just didn't agree with most of it.

I have to say that I didn't hear anything tight in that performance. I only listened to it once, but I swear that I heard what I thought was a key modulation, but it was just more of a stumble.

I just don't find it good.

Gigbag
06-06-2009, 10:33 AM
Ouch... I was really pulling for them (I'm a big fan of Satriani's solo stuff, in particular) but I must say I'm not impressed by anything I've seen so far. The lyrics and creativity in particular are deplorable, but the music itself doesn't excite me, either.

They also have an annoying tendency towards bad and boring jamming, which I imagine would kill a concert experience. I sure hope they prove me wrong over the next few months but I'm not holding my breath.

That sums it up for me. The studio clips I heard were much better. The song on Conan was lame, and the performance was way beneath the talent they have.

So far, none of the musical acts had a good mix / sound on Conan's Tonight show. That must be at least a factor. Brand new studio that is eiether crap or lacking good live music sound guys.

Gigbag
06-06-2009, 10:45 AM
I just watched it on Youtube, and the sound was better than I thought it was on TV last night. But, the biggest problem I had was the song (guitar and lyrics) were just lame (the lyrics just sucked). I tolerated Sammy's "vocals" better than last night, but the backing bits popped in inconsistently and sounded like children yelling.

They say they are just having fun, but I can't see how any of them actually enjoyed playing that song. Is that the single being promoted?

bjjp2
06-06-2009, 10:55 AM
I was really disappointed by Joe's solo. Why have Joe Satriani as your guitarist if he's going to throw in a few mediocre blues licks?

pete692
06-06-2009, 10:56 AM
I disagree.

Satriani can always go back to his G3 format and sell out venues of 1,500 patrons.

The Red Hot Chili Peppers are on break, the guitarist also just put an album. And in reality, the RHCP are Anthony and Flea, Chad is their 5th or so drummer. I highly doubt Chad gets 25% of the action, so he might be in need of a paycheck to maintain his lifestyle if this Chili break turns out to be a few years.

Sammy has 15 Ferraris,
Owns a Cantina in Cabo, San Lucas, Mexico called "Cabo Wabo". Manufactures a Tequila under the same name of "Cabo Wabo".
Has houses in Cabo, San Lucas, Mexico - Maui, Hawaii - and in Northern California near San Francisco
http://www.bobgruen.com/potda/RockRollHallofFame07/_MG_2992.jpg

So he is either super rich or is spending every dime he sees.

Michael Anthony can always get a gig in a nostalgia band looking to tour. He's solid if not exciting and sings backup vocals well, is well liked and avoids controversy.

I believe this band will be a one and done scenario. People are tight on cash, so filling big venues is hard enough for acts like U2 and Madonna. I can't see this band ever turning a profit on this album, since I am pretty certain they are traveling 1st class all the way but playing 3rd class gigs so far.

My criticism of the band has nothing to do with how much money and Ferraris anybody owns, or how hot the bimbos in their lives are. It's about over the hill musicians grasping at anything they can to remain in the spotlight, but falling miserably short. Who cares if Satriani can gather together 2 other has been shredders from the eighties and do a G3 tour every other year and sell out 1500 (oh my, call the riot police!) seat venues? Does that really prove that he's still a vital and relevant artist in the public consciousness? Naw, these guys were aiming much higher with this project, and it fell miserably short, because they FORGOT TO WRITE SOME SONGS. And Sammy makes for one of the most unappealing and schlocky frontman I have ever laid eyes on. I never believed any of his "rock and roll, good timin' dude" antics when he was in his thirties, and it's even more of an embarrassment now that he's in his fifties. Without their names, these guys couldn't get a gig playing a BBQ at the annual Moose Club meet and greet.

Electric I
06-06-2009, 11:16 AM
Which song was released as the first single?

The song performed on Conan - "Oh Yeah"

I've usually found that the best songs on any given record are not the ones released as singles. No surprise here as well.

cugel
06-06-2009, 11:22 AM
well imho, there are only 5 people that can acutally pull of the "sunglasses all the time look"
1. lemmy
2. bono (he's becoming borderline)
3. jerry (rip)
4. howard stern
5. if a hot chick is wearing them who am i to throw stones.

now satch?? sorry guys you just look plain silly wearing those things all the time.
just a dopey band. i say that its aiming for an audience in their 50's that are trying to be 20. there are lots of them and they actually pay good money to go to waborita or wtf he calls it
and yes the t shirt was the best part of the performance

crifasta
06-06-2009, 11:22 AM
With the resumes these guys have, they had a chance to:

A. Be really good
B. Bring some much-needed attention back to guitar-based classic rock in this day and age of the Jonas Bros. and American Idol.

Unfortunately, they made a joke out of the genre with that performance. The lyrics made me so uncomfortable that I could not make it to the solo part. It was like watching Tanya Harding. :thud

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 11:27 AM
I just watched it again (I recorded it on my DVR) and.........it's still awful. The lyric that stuck out for me last night was "When I was a young man I slept around. When I turned 30 time to settle down". L-A-M-E

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 11:28 AM
On the BG vocals, they needed more of a 'gang' type shouting thing but it was 2-part and Mike was singing an octave (which was sharp) and it sounded weak.

cugel
06-06-2009, 11:34 AM
On the BG vocals, they needed more of a 'gang' type shouting thing but it was 2-part and Mike was singing an octave (which was sharp) and it sounded weak.

excellent point and its something that was perfected by acdc i say on dirty deeds. if they want to write songs like this then they need to listen to supersuckers, nashville pu**y etc. now blaine cartwright can write this kind of stuff as easy as walking down the street AND they pull it off in spades.

PAF
06-06-2009, 11:34 AM
for the record Satch has been sportin the shaved head/sunglasses look for quite a few years now, he didn't cop it for Chickenfoot

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 11:44 AM
for the record Satch has been sportin the shaved head/sunglasses look for quite a few years now, he didn't cop it for Chickenfoot

Exactly and that's why he should switch it up a little, just a little. Modify it.

cugel
06-06-2009, 11:48 AM
for the record Satch has been sportin the shaved head/sunglasses look for quite a few years now, he didn't cop it for Chickenfoot

oh i am acutely aware of that fact and i would add that for quite a few years he has looked like the nerds in "sixteen candles". it doesnt work .

pete692
06-06-2009, 11:56 AM
oh i am acutely aware of that fact and i would add that for quite a few years he has looked like the nerds in "sixteen candles". it doesnt work .

These guys' appearance is the absolute least of their problems.

Wooley
06-06-2009, 11:59 AM
What does "looking at the fretboard too much" (paraphrase from MANY statements on this board including OP) mean?

Who gives a shit where a guitarist looks?

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 12:02 PM
What does "looking at the fretboard too much" (paraphrase from MANY statements on this board including OP) mean?

Who gives a shit where a guitarist looks?

Well, SELLING IT is part of the performance, especially with the type of music Chickenfoot wants to create.

The sunglasses and staring at your hand is a massive disconnect from the audience.

PAF
06-06-2009, 12:02 PM
lol yeah maybe Satch should get plugs & go back to the poodle hair look =P

cugel
06-06-2009, 12:09 PM
Roy Orbison

you sir, are most correct
how could i forget the master...old age

PAF
06-06-2009, 12:11 PM
you sir, are most correct
how could i forget the master...old age


Stevie Wonder
Ray Charles

pete692
06-06-2009, 12:12 PM
you sir, are most correct
how could i forget the master...old age

C'mon guys, can we get back to some straight-ahead bashing of this shitty MUSIC? I could care less what they look like. But man, do they suck. Maximum suckitude.

entraind
06-06-2009, 12:13 PM
Jake and Elwood Blues...

JPF
06-06-2009, 12:19 PM
It was lacklustre to my ears. Not particularly bad but I don't feel that song is commensurate to their potential as a group of seasoned musicians. Then again, I stopped believing in or expecting much from supergroups after Blind Faith , and they were brilliant!

cbguy
06-06-2009, 12:27 PM
Probably the coolest thing was Conan getting a guitar. Second one he's gotten this week. I think that it's gonna be a regular thing for him from now on. Lucky him!

iamdavea
06-06-2009, 12:33 PM
According to my own calculations, the last time Sammy Hagar and the phrase "artistic integrity" could be used in the same sentence was the second Montrose album--35 freaking years ago. And that Joe Satriani would agree to be in the same band as this mook tells me all I need to know about him.

iamdavea
06-06-2009, 12:38 PM
The "kids" can decide whatever they want, and WE can discuss whether or not we think it sucks; is that OK?

Zero G
06-06-2009, 12:40 PM
C'mon guys, can we get back to some straight-ahead bashing of this shitty MUSIC?

What exactly does that accomplish? Seriously, if that's what you need to get your kicks, you need to find a new hobby.

pete692
06-06-2009, 12:43 PM
...the kids decide what is popular, not any "music specialists" or doorman or hairy upper arm gear pager's...so the real question is; are kids going to get into Chickenfoot like they do for a band like the Yeah Yeah Yeah's or whomever...:thud
nope.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:45 PM
...the kids decide what is popular, not any "music specialists" or doorman or hairy upper arm gear pager's...so the real question is; are kids going to get into Chickenfoot like they do for a band like the Yeah Yeah Yeah's or whomever...:thud

Kids only get to decide once what they get to hear is determined. It starts way before the kids get to it.

Don't be jealous I have a cooler job than you.

Bobby D
06-06-2009, 12:46 PM
I was sorta trying to be funny. But it is true. He shaves his head, why not give the upper arms a go over. Sorta sucks, you lose you lid but your arms are covered.

mine all "migrated" south :banana

iamdavea
06-06-2009, 12:48 PM
Catoogie: you're the LAST guy anyone is likely to be jealous of. Please get over yourself.

iamdavea
06-06-2009, 12:51 PM
Oh, you mean the job that you can't even adequately describe to us? THAT job?

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:53 PM
Oh, you mean the job that you can't even adequately describe to us? THAT job?

Yeah that one. The one I choose not to get minutely specific about. I think I descirbed it pretty well aside from the fact I chose not to mention the name.

iamdavea
06-06-2009, 12:56 PM
I'm waiting for the jealousy to hit..............sorry, still nothing. I think mine is a common reaction.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:57 PM
I'm waiting for the jealousy to hit..............sorry, still nothing. I think mine is a common reaction.


I was being sarcastic. Obviously sarcasm is lost on you. It's just a job, a cool one but I certainly don't think I'm anything special for having it.....just lucky.

I PM'd you.

Bobby D
06-06-2009, 12:57 PM
Yeah that one. The one I choose not to get minutely specific about. I think I descirbed it pretty well aside from the fact I chose not to mention the name.


PD for Clear Channel?

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 12:59 PM
PD for Clear Channel?


Hahaha, nah.

ohshait
06-06-2009, 01:15 PM
imo if they were all playing to their abilities, sammy would be wailing, satch would be shredding and chad would be doin some funky beat which combined wouldnt sound good at all, but i think they had to tone it down a little in order for all of the instruments to come together...just sayin

iamdavea
06-06-2009, 01:18 PM
There is nothing "underground" or "grassroots" about a pre-fab "supergroup" like Chickenfoot. The buzz was out before anyone even heard a note of their music; they were on the cover of Guitar World before anyone heard them play.

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 01:19 PM
My wife wanted to see what all the fuss was about, so she watched the video.

The only person she'd heard of was Sammy.

She thought that they didn't sound like a "Band" at all. They didn't fit together. The lyrics made her spontaneously laugh out loud.

She also felt that someone designed a logo and then decided to market it.

I don't think she liked it.

VintageKnob
06-06-2009, 01:24 PM
I sure didn't like it. I thought it sucked big time.

I used to hold Sammy Haggar in the top 10 rock vocalist category, but he was flat and no fun that night.

Supergroup?

I could only make it about 1/3 the way through.

I sure dug Greenday earlier in the week!!!

- DStefani

supernosher
06-06-2009, 01:30 PM
Kids only get to decide once what they get to hear is determined. It starts way before the kids get to it.

Don't be jealous I have a cooler job than you.

True. :banana

supernosher
06-06-2009, 01:35 PM
Who cares what your wives think? Shouldn't they be commenting on The Food Channel? hahah j/k!!!!

Seriously how many musicians on the local scene do you see that suck? LOTS!!! Well, that is the bulk of the population of TGP. Given that, who cares what those inept musicians think about other music????

You guys are spinning your wheels.

supernosher
06-06-2009, 01:39 PM
Satriani can always go back to his G3 format and sell out venues of 1,500 patrons.


Sammy has 15 Ferraris,
Owns a Cantina in Cabo, San Lucas, Mexico called "Cabo Wabo". Manufactures a Tequila under the same name of "Cabo Wabo".
Has houses in Cabo, San Lucas, Mexico - Maui, Hawaii - and in Northern California near San Francisco

As well as a hotel he built for musicians in Marin County, and a private garage for all his cars. He sold 80% of Cabo Wabo in 2007 for $60,000,000, by the way...

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 01:42 PM
...the kids always decide and this is done in a grassroots/underground kind of way well before the music industry people even know what's happening...they are led to the source by other kids; not by music specialists...the specialists are then the liason with the people who will eventually ruin it...

...just my opinion...I say the kids are all right...:banana

Depends on what formats your refering to actually.

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 01:43 PM
Who cares what your wives think? Shouldn't they be commenting on The Food Channel? hahah j/k!!!!

Seriously how many musicians on the local scene do you see that suck? LOTS!!! Well, that is the bulk of the population of TGP. Given that, who cares what those inept musicians think about other music????

You guys are spinning your wheels.

My wife is not a musician. She loves music and buys music. She won't be buying this.

I do understand your point. We suck at TGP. Got it.

carbz
06-06-2009, 01:46 PM
I hope this enough substantial evidence for the VH guys to be real careful what they may throw together though I'd bet even EVH and DLR plastered at their worst would come up with much better stuff then this.

waylay00
06-06-2009, 01:50 PM
I actually liked it better than John Mayer's performance.

There. I said it.

amigo30
06-06-2009, 01:52 PM
Stevie Wonder
Ray Charles

Joey Ramone

supernosher
06-06-2009, 01:53 PM
My wife is not a musician. She loves music and buys music. She won't be buying this.

I do understand your point. We suck at TGP. Got it.

LOL - even with all the Robben Ford and King's X fans on this HUGE forum, both those acts STILL aren't worthwhile for this benefit festival I work with. I suggested them to the booking guy, and he looked their stats up on Pollstar... he's not even interested enough to contact Robben Ford or King's X to play because they just don't sell enough.

Maven
06-06-2009, 01:53 PM
My prediction is that band will last maybe a year.

franksguitar
06-06-2009, 01:54 PM
Just my luck I fell asleep during Ryan Seachist and missed Chickenfoot

supernosher
06-06-2009, 01:55 PM
Just my luck I fell asleep during Ryan Seachist and missed Chickenfoot

The youtube video has been linked to in this thread. Or you can just search youtube...

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 01:55 PM
LOL - even with all the Robben Ford and King's X fans on this HUGE forum, both those acts STILL aren't worthwhile for this benefit festival I work with. I suggested them to the booking guy, and he looked their stats up on Pollstar... he's not even interested enough to contact Robben Ford or King's X to play because they just don't sell enough.

OK.

Not really sure how that fits in to the discussion.

drgonzoguitar
06-06-2009, 02:06 PM
...the kids always decide and this is done in a grassroots/underground kind of way well before the music industry people even know what's happening...they are led to the source by other kids; not by music specialists...the specialists are then the liason with the people who will eventually ruin it...

...just my opinion...I say the kids are all right...:banana

All artists need outside advice. One of the most prominent things Prince said a few years ago at the Grammys is (paraphrase): "Don't surround yourself with people that buy into your own hype. It is OK to have someone tell you the truth."

Music specialists, such as Catoogie, are there for that. I have got some great advice from him on my recording/songwriting. I could listen to some fellow cats who say everything is great, but another set of ears "outside" your circle can be beneficial to the artist.

Most artists need to be as competent in small business as they do in making music. Not everyone in the industry is evil.

bsteff666
06-06-2009, 02:08 PM
Ok...I was curious to hear Satriani playing in the context of a rock band. This clip is the first thing I've seen or heard. So far...I wish it was better. Yes the lyrics were kind of lame, Satch's tone wasn't the best, background vocals sounded a bit off.

I hope the album sounds better...but for just mindless fun rock-n-roll...it wasn't all that bad. I guess my expectations really weren't all that high to begin with...but I agree...some of the basic fundamental things that you would think would be strongly in place...did not seem to be. Maybe they will get it together.

As for Satriani's look...I can tell you first hand. Its kind of hard to change it up. You don't have many options. I myself am a bald guy with rather hairy forearms. Seriously. Other than long sleeves and trying out some different hats...you are kind of stuck with it.

Speaking of hair...No one mentioned Chad Smith. Was that a wig?

supernosher
06-06-2009, 02:08 PM
OK.

Not really sure how that fits in to the discussion.

Sorry, should have used a segue or something but I'm lazy. A few people have said they won't buy it, their wives won't buy it, and stuff about the record industry (which just started up on page 9 or 10 I think). So, that's how it fits - real world happenings to prove my point. My point is that the TGP collective is not hurting or helping the sales of artists which means you're all spinning your wheels - and so am I, so I completely understand why we do it, but I've decided I need to write more since I got a D my analytical writing class. I was just backing up my statement with a real world anecdote.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 02:15 PM
All artists need outside advice. One of the most prominent things Prince said a few years ago at the Grammys is (paraphrase): "Don't surround yourself with people that buy into your own hype. It is OK to have someone tell you the truth."

Music specialists, such as Catoogie, are there for that. I have got some great advice from him on my recording/songwriting. I could listen to some fellow cats who say everything is great, but another set of ears "outside" your circle can be beneficial to the artist.

Most artists need to be as competent in small business as they do in making music. Not everyone in the industry is evil.

Thanks for the nice words, I appreciate it. It was fun listening to your stuff.

I like the Prince quote and I totally agree with it but I wish he would take his own advice....he is such an AMAZING talent yet I wish he would use a little quality control. Not ALL of his stuff is great. He releases these so-so two and three record sets when if he pared it down he could have one GREAT record.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 02:19 PM
As for Satriani's look...I can tell you first hand. Its kind of hard to change it up. You don't have many options. I myself am a bald guy with rather hairy forearms. Seriously. Other than long sleeves and trying out some different hats...you are kind of stuck with it.

Speaking of hair...No one mentioned Chad Smith. Was that a wig?

The wig Chad was wearing was something that was in a skit earlier in the show.

You're not stuck with the hairy forearms, you can always clip them down or wax.....if it was me I'm not sure I'd go to the trouble though. The bald head thing is cool, it's just, I felt, the all black, wrap-around thing is looking a lot like a uniform now and perhaps he could switch it up just a little. But maybe style is not his bag so he hit on something and is sticking with it. Eh

KeithC
06-06-2009, 02:22 PM
Two things surprising to me.
First, after reading so many posts about how awful it was I guess I was expecting much worse and it didn't sound as bad as I expected.

Second, I'm surprised Satch signed on to a project like this.

Not being a big Sammy fan all I can say is his part seemed pretty typical Sammy. I will agree the chorus especially wasn't much lyrically. The rest again seemed like Sammy.

Satch's part was alright and I get the feeling he is trying to wedge himself into an unfamiliar and slightly uncomfortable place.
I love his solo stuff and have seen him live at a few G3's and a fairly recent DVD concert.

I haven't heard anymore of the stuff but I would hope Satch gets more "room" to do what he does best.
That said, I wouldn't buy it mainly because it's not what I listen to these days and Sammy's just not my cup of tea.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 02:25 PM
There's also the chance that they're doing it because it's fun and low pressure. I've played a couple of gigs in my day where the songwriting and singer/leader weren't the best but it was a good hang.

KeithC
06-06-2009, 02:26 PM
There's also the chance that they're doing it because it's fun and low pressure. I've played a couple of gigs in my day where the songwriting and singer/leader weren't the best but it was a good hang.


Good point. Maybe Satch is looking for that "wider audience" we all keep hearing about!

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 02:28 PM
Sorry, should have used a segue or something but I'm lazy. A few people have said they won't buy it, their wives won't buy it, and stuff about the record industry (which just started up on page 9 or 10 I think). So, that's how it fits - real world happenings to prove my point. My point is that the TGP collective is not hurting or helping the sales of artists which means you're all spinning your wheels - and so am I, so I completely understand why we do it, but I've decided I need to write more since I got a D my analytical writing class. I was just backing up my statement with a real world anecdote.

Well, this all started with some sharing their feelings about a performance. Since then it's moved all over the place.

You asked "Who cares what your wives think?". Well, I'd suspect that Chickenfoot wants to sell as many albums (and t-shirts) as possible. TGP members, our wives, family and friends are all potential customers.

Is Chickenfoot the creative outlet that these guys have been yearing for, or is it designed to make money? If it's the former, then have at it guys. I don't dig it and I don't think it's well done, but if that's your ART, chase it. If it's the latter, then reaching and appealing to the widest possible audience matters. I don't think their doing very well in that department.

GerryJ
06-06-2009, 02:37 PM
...Is Chickenfoot the creative outlet that these guys have been yearing for, or is it designed to make money?...


As I'm sure you know, it's both. Chad and Mike are sitting on the sidelines of their respective bands for different reasons (chili pepper vocalist has intermittent health problems, Chili guitarist has his solo stuff) , Satch and Sammy have their core fans but not much growth in new ones I'd guess.

OrangeAD30TC
06-06-2009, 02:48 PM
He gets them for free.

If you had any idea how different joe's guitars are form the production models you would appreciate the gift. The set-up, the pick-ups, He even has different bridges on several guitars. I didn't look closely at his guitars but he was had been using the prototype for the seymour duncan "even mo jo" pick up but that was about a year ago.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 02:53 PM
If you had any idea how different joe's guitars are form the production models you would appreciate the gift. The set-up, the pick-ups, He even has different bridges on several guitars. I didn't look closely at his guitars but he was had been using the prototype for the seymour duncan "even mo jo" pick up but that was about a year ago.

Yeah I realize that and it was cool of him, but he still gets them for free. It's not like Joe Walsh giving Pete Townshend the Gretsch, Bandmaster, Volume pedal and cord.

Bobby D
06-06-2009, 03:00 PM
geez.....i liked the performance. backup vox were a bit ragged, those boys gotta tighten THAT up.

loved chad's shirt, tho.....

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 03:02 PM
It was my opinion about the performance on The Tonight Show. Not the album (which you were fortunate enough to hear before the release), not their live shows etc...

It was my opinion that's all. I get the feeling you don't agree with it. Am I right?

And just because someone doesn't agree with something you like doesn't make them an inferior musician, songwriter etc.... It just means they didn't like something you did.

KeithC
06-06-2009, 03:08 PM
It was my opinion about the performance on The Tonight Show. Not the album (which you were fortunate enough to hear before the release), not their live shows etc...

It was my opinion that's all. I get the feeling you don't agree with it. Am I right?

And just because someone doesn't agree with something you like doesn't make them an inferior musician, songwriter etc.... It just means they didn't like something you did.


Slightly ironic in that you said Sammy sucks!

Bobby D
06-06-2009, 03:11 PM
i saw sammy in '77 when he was the "red rocker" opening for Boston. anyone else see that tour?


he blew Boston OFF THE DAMN STAGE, in my opinion.

"Bad Motor Scooter" with the lap steel.....it was the first time i had seena rock n roller use one of those.

suddenly my grandpa was COOL again :)

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 03:11 PM
Slightly ironic in that you said Sammy sucks!

You may just have a point there.

mc5nrg
06-06-2009, 03:11 PM
Yeah I realize that and it was cool of him, but he still gets them for free. It's not like Joe Walsh giving Pete Townshend the Gretsch, Bandmaster, Volume pedal and cord.

Which at the time were about as cheap as dirt.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 03:12 PM
i saw sammy in '77 when he was the "red rocker" opening for Boston. anyone else see that tour?


he blew Boston OFF THE DAMN STAGE, in my opinion.

"Bad Motor Scooter" with the lap steel.....it was the first time i had seena rock n roller use one of those.

suddenly my grandpa was COOL again :)

No but I did see him at the Tower Theater in Philly years ago, he did 'Whole Lotta Love' and it was pretty awesome I must say. I just think he's really corny.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 03:13 PM
Which at the time were about as cheap as dirt.

How cheap was dirt back then?

waylay00
06-06-2009, 03:24 PM
I just think he's really corny.

Dude, he's a straight-up, have fun, rock frontman. Of course he's gonna be all about sex and booze...What are you expecting, Ian Anderson or something?

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 03:26 PM
Dude, he's a straight-up, have fun, rock frontman. Of course he's gonna be all about sex and booze...What are you expecting, Ian Anderson or something?

WOW!! You soooooooooo have me nailed. That's EXACTLY who I expected. From what I heard Ian Andersen was supposed to be the singer in Chickenfoot. Boy was I pissed when I didn't seem him there.

They could have used some flute.

Bobby D
06-06-2009, 03:34 PM
sammy has two speeds -- SAMMY and off.

i HATED van hagar.

didn't really like "cant drive 55" era either.

but the early montrose and 70s sammy was cool as balls.

i was hoping he would redeem himself with the FOOT.

so far, so good......i'm not expecting "AND THE DRAGON COMES IN THE NIIIIIGHHHHT" from sammy...sex, tequila, and rock n roll will do fine, i guess.

Catoogie
06-06-2009, 03:53 PM
Ya now what ? Chickenfoot did Bad motor Scooter in seatte !! It was bad ass ! Hearing that lap steel was nothing short of reigniting rock again. I liked Sammy in his early days too. Alway' s thought he was better on his own than with VH. Eddie ruined him like he ruined himself. They also did " Highway Star " and Sammy did a great job on that one too. He pulled that off better than people would think. Satch was blazing on that tune. his guitar interpretaion of the keyboard parts was genius and his tone was a monster !


See, with good songs they actually might be good.

JazzHessian
06-06-2009, 04:06 PM
I just can't believe people would rather pay attention to some washed-up dudes who can't write real songs to save their lives when there is so much great new music out there.

JDouglee
06-06-2009, 04:07 PM
There's also the chance that they're doing it because it's fun and low pressure. I've played a couple of gigs in my day where the songwriting and singer/leader weren't the best but it was a good hang.
BINGO!

After a few bands plagued with drama, fun can trump fashion and industry
posturing. CF just don't give a crap about all that. It seems like it's all
about the hang, I can totally relate.

And I don't think it's a
money thing, these guys are doing well. Sammy just opened another
restaurant, in this economy, and ALL profits from it are going to charity.
Mas tequilla I guess eh?

Ken Ho
06-06-2009, 06:24 PM
Missed it, went and saw Terminator SAlvation at the flicks, which was very good. I don't get why people are bashing that.


The Conan show is on tonight here in Oz, Comedy Channel. Looking forward to Chickenfoot!

Man with Gas
06-06-2009, 06:29 PM
I must say this has been an amazing negative thread.

I've heard the album at least a dozen times and whilst there are some fillers there a couple of decent tracks. (Like MOST albums)

I must have ears that are painted on (LOL) as I thought it sounded quite OK for what it is trying to achieve.

Playing ability on the album? Nobody can comment UNLESS they have ACTUALLY (accurately) learnt the parts themselves. How many times does something sound easy/lame UNTIL you accurately learn it. The subtleties and nuances are sometimes beyond what your ear can comprehend initially. Sure there might be some genius players on this thread who are right with their negative comments but I suspect not all are.

Chickenfoot I read somewhere were saying they were out to "save rock and roll" IMHO the album is just that "rock and roll"

Lyrics? Anyone wanting more than they got are just dreamers. BUT that doesn't make it a bad album. It's a rock and roll album as they set out to do.

Seriously, everyone has a different opinion on decent lyrics. Could any band satisfy us all. Having said that Hagar has delivered what he does with no apologies. You can't say you're surprised.

I don't discourage anyone to take a swipe but at the end of the day at least these guys are STILL doing it. They could sit on the couch all day and do nothing quite easily.

I have no doubt financially these guys haven't needed money for a LONG time so I don't see Chickenfoot as only a money spinner.

Bottom line is it's a fun rock and roll album and I firmly believe what we have got is EXACTLY what they intended.

Good luck to Chickenfoot and I hope they continue.

John Hurtt
06-06-2009, 06:35 PM
sammy has two speeds -- SAMMY and off.

i HATED van hagar.

didn't really like "cant drive 55" era either.

but the early montrose and 70s sammy was cool as balls.

i was hoping he would redeem himself with the FOOT.

so far, so good......i'm not expecting "AND THE DRAGON COMES IN THE NIIIIIGHHHHT" from sammy...sex, tequila, and rock n roll will do fine, i guess.

You have to love any post that has a Strongbad reference in it....:dude

John Hurtt
06-06-2009, 06:36 PM
I've seen much better than that performance, but I'm not really sure what anyone expected from the band. Straight ahead rock with Sammy on vocals is pretty easy to imagine.

Sammy is cool...I dig the cheesy lyrics. Let's have some fun, it's rock 'n roll!!

slopeshoulder
06-06-2009, 06:41 PM
I didn't see it, but will affirm ther lameness.

tonefinger
06-06-2009, 06:44 PM
Enough with the lyric bashing, it is a rock and roll cd. Would people rather have the lame evil,dragons, and demons lyrics? This is about good times and having fun, which this world could use some more of. I for one, applaud them for actually having fun and not taking themselves too seriously.

Analog Assassin
06-06-2009, 07:37 PM
I just can't believe people would rather pay attention to some washed-up dudes who can't write real songs to save their lives when there is so much great new music out there.

I'd rather watch some washed up dudes rock out than hear nickelback or whiny emo rockers like Incubus.

Analog Assassin
06-06-2009, 07:43 PM
Bottom line is it's a fun rock and roll album and I firmly believe what we have got is EXACTLY what they intended.

Good luck to Chickenfoot and I hope they continue.

Exactly. I think they wanted to put out a no-frills, no-bullshit rock and roll album. Granted, with Sammy, there's going to be a little cheese, but he has one of rock's great voices. Last night I jammed with some dudes and we kicked it off with Rock Candy. I have to say, it's fun to bash out some loud rock. Sometimes rock is not about being analytical or thinking too much about it. Sometimes it is just about being loud. Listen to AC/DC, you'll get it.

JazzHessian
06-06-2009, 08:04 PM
I'd rather watch some washed up dudes rock out than hear nickelback or whiny emo rockers like Incubus.

I'd rather not listen to any of those, and spend my time finding good new music.

iamdavea
06-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Dear jetcity: make an effort, please, to conduct yourself with some class. Or is that asking too much of you?

JazzHessian
06-06-2009, 08:10 PM
Another pathetic statement ! There is some great new talent. Then you go and say something as gay as to say these guys are washed up. That is the laugher of the year. You are either very young and listen to bands that sound like Fallout boy or you are just a plain idiot. From Chicago to say the least, the most crooked city in the Nation. You just represent your city well !! Arrogance at its best. Keep em' com'n .:rolleyes:

lolz, etc.

iamdavea
06-06-2009, 08:26 PM
Actually, the "laugher of the year" is the nonsensical phrase "From Chicago to say the least". Huh? Maybe I need a GED to understand that one.

freedom's door
06-06-2009, 08:43 PM
After reading most of this thread, i was expecting the performance to be REALLY bad, but (maybe thanks to the harshness of this thread) it was better than i expected. I haven't heard anything from these guys that would make me want to buy the album though.

And am i the only one who thinks Chickenfoot is one of the stupidest band names ever?

waylay00
06-06-2009, 09:31 PM
Exactly. I think they wanted to put out a no-frills, no-bullshit rock and roll album. Granted, with Sammy, there's going to be a little cheese, but he has one of rock's great voices. Last night I jammed with some dudes and we kicked it off with Rock Candy. I have to say, it's fun to bash out some loud rock. Sometimes rock is not about being analytical or thinking too much about it. Sometimes it is just about being loud. Listen to AC/DC, you'll get it.

Agreed. Well said...

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 09:47 PM
So if I'm reading this correctly from the supporters of Chickenfoot, we're supposed to embrace the idea that this is supposed to be good time rock-n-roll with really bad lyrics and standard riffs. That's what they were trying to do.

I'm still wondering why we're supposed to be impressed with that.

I'm prepared to believe that this is just a comfortable hang for Joe (even though it seemed like he didn't really know what to play on that tune), but that doesn't make it good.

Are we defending the right of mindless rock to exist? OK.

We're not really trying to simultaneously suggest that this is "Good" are we?

CharAznable
06-06-2009, 09:49 PM
I don't get it. I saw exactly what I thought Chickenfoot was going to be. Not that I was expecting them to save rock n roll or anything.

jammybastard
06-06-2009, 09:58 PM
From Chicago to say the least, the most crooked city in the Nation. You just represent your city well !! Arrogance at its best. Keep em' com'n .:rolleyes:

Dude, "43" posts in and you've earned a spot on my "ignore" list.
First person to ever do that on the TGP!
Well done.
BTW - Lots of us here from Chicago, as well as every point inbetween and we're here to talk about music not trade childish insults like the kind you are attempting.
Try sticking to the subject, and the music.

Zero G
06-06-2009, 10:10 PM
If you had any idea how different joe's guitars are form the production models you would appreciate the gift. The set-up, the pick-ups, He even has different bridges on several guitars. I didn't look closely at his guitars but he was had been using the prototype for the seymour duncan "even mo jo" pick up but that was about a year ago.

There is some truth to what you say, but also some incorrect information. The bridge Joe uses is the original Edge, save for maybe 2 or 3 anomalies with an Edge Pro or Lo Pro, and the neck pickups you get with the JS guitars stock are what he actually uses. He used to use the stock Dimarzio Fred bridge humbucker exclusively as well, but a few years ago he changed all the bridge pickups in all of his touring guitars to Dimarzio Mo Joe's (not Seymour Duncan). I briefly played one of Joe's personal guitars, and I don't think most people would like the set-up. The action is extremely low, so you have to play with a very light touch. I e-mailed Gary Brawer a few years ago, and I asked him if he still set up Joe's guitars, and how much it would cost to have a JS set up just like Joe's. This was his reply:

"Thanks for your e-mail,
Yes I do. I glue the frets in place if needed. Then I do a fret mill on my plek machine augmented with some additional hand work to the set up including
changing the arc of the saddles, nut height, trem adjustments etc...
All that for about 250
Thanks
Gary"

Clumsy Fingers
06-06-2009, 10:22 PM
As well as a hotel he built for musicians in Marin County, and a private garage for all his cars. He sold 80% of Cabo Wabo in 2007 for $60,000,000, by the way...

Which is supposed to mean, what, exactly? Should everyone not express their opinion because of this? What does it have to do with his 'music', or this performance? Should we somehow be impressed, or jealous? Why even mention it?



Right....... it has nothing to do with it.




So, if people dislike his 'singing', they're certainly entitled to. If you do like it, that's fine- but extraneous red herrings of this sort have absolutely nothing to do with the performance at hand.

waylay00
06-06-2009, 10:33 PM
So if I'm reading this correctly from the supporters of Chickenfoot, we're supposed to embrace the idea that this is supposed to be good time rock-n-roll with really bad lyrics and standard riffs. That's what they were trying to do.

I'm still wondering why we're supposed to be impressed with that.

I'm prepared to believe that this is just a comfortable hang for Joe (even though it seemed like he didn't really know what to play on that tune), but that doesn't make it good.

Are we defending the right of mindless rock to exist? OK.

We're not really trying to simultaneously suggest that this is "Good" are we?

No, it's just that some people seem to be expecting more than what should be expected, whether they like it or not. Did I think it was absolutely terrific? No. Did I think it was awful? No. Was it Sammy being Sammy? Pretty much. I don't think anyone's ever looked to him for lyrical writing prowess...And that's the point. It's what it is, and that's not a surprise.

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 10:46 PM
No, it's just that some people seem to be expecting more than what should be expected, whether they like it or not. Did I think it was absolutely terrific? No. Did I think it was awful? No. Was it Sammy being Sammy? Pretty much. I don't think anyone's ever looked to him for lyrical writing prowess...And that's the point. It's what it is, and that's not a surprise.

So I am reading it correctly. It's bad. It's always been bad and to expect anything more is unrealistic.

Van Halen wasn't great writing, but is WAS great playing and a complete musical idea. At best, Hagar was decent enough for most people to accept the continuation of Halen vs. the end of Halen.

This is a disaster, and excusing it by saying that Sammy has always been bad (with the exception of some vocal prowess) just passes me by.

madaxeman
06-06-2009, 11:04 PM
Ya know why don't all you "experts" on here get together and write and record and album and show all us dumb asses on here how its done, or better yet point us in the direction of what you have already done that's better.

The Last Rebel
06-06-2009, 11:07 PM
Ya know why don't all you "experts" on here get together and write and record and album and show all us dumb asses on here how its done, or better yet point us in the direction of what you have already done that's better.
So, because we haven't recored an album we have no right to comment on this band? Can we even appreciate music as a whole if we've never recorded an album? Are all my thoughts on music invalidated because I've never recorded an album?

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Ya know why don't all you "experts" on here get together and write and record and album and show all us dumb asses on here how its done, or better yet point us in the direction of what you have already done that's better.

You're not going to try to play that card are you?

Do you like ALL music? ALL bands?

If you don't like one single band, you would have to show how you were superior. You want to head down that road?

madaxeman
06-06-2009, 11:17 PM
You're not going to try to play that card are you?

Do you like ALL music? ALL bands?

If you don't like one single band, you would have to show how you were superior. You want to head down that road?

Yeah I'm playing that card and heading down that road. I don't like all music or bands. I know a lot of guys on here love Robben Ford and John Mayer but I've never heard them and have no interest but if I did and thought they sucked I wouldn't be on here shooting of my big internet mouth about it. I'm saying put up or shut the F up. Card played... see my headlights yet?

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 11:27 PM
Yeah I'm playing that card and heading down that road. I don't like all music or bands. I know a lot of guys on here love Robben Ford and John Mayer but I've never heard them and have no interest but if I did and thought they sucked I wouldn't be on here shooting of my big internet mouth about it. I'm saying put up or shut the F up. Card played... see my headlights yet?

You've never heard John Mayer OR Robben Ford? Really?

So, if you don't have something nice to say, you don't say anything at all? Ever? Why would sharing it with friends on the net be any different than sharing it around the water cooler at work?

The funny thing is that you still feel superior to some artists, but the fact that you won't share that on the net, makes you feel even more superior.

Awesome.

waylay00
06-06-2009, 11:32 PM
So I am reading it correctly. It's bad. It's always been bad and to expect anything more is unrealistic.

Van Halen wasn't great writing, but is WAS great playing and a complete musical idea. At best, Hagar was decent enough for most people to accept the continuation of Halen vs. the end of Halen.

This is a disaster, and excusing it by saying that Sammy has always been bad (with the exception of some vocal prowess) just passes me by.

If you think Sammy sucks, then sure, that's exactly what I meant. That's a completely valid opinion, too. Personally, I think he's always been a great entertainer and frontman. What I saw last night was the Sammy I've always known. So I don't see why people are surprised either way.

rhinocaster
06-06-2009, 11:37 PM
If you think Sammy sucks, then sure, that's exactly what I meant. That's a completely valid opinion, too. Personally, I think he's always been a great entertainer. What I saw last night was the Sammy I've always known. So I don't see why people are surprised.

I'll readily admit that I've never appreciated whatever Sammy brings. I just don't get the appeal. There IS a vocal quality that he can bring that is very ROCK, but when the words always end up being SO inane, I just don't understand the adoration.

I guess I thought that this would be a cool trip, but it was just bad imo. I can find a way to appreciate most musical endeavors, but I can't get there with this one. The over the top marketing of the Chickenfoot logo to the the poor performance of a bad song just left me cold.

waylay00
06-06-2009, 11:40 PM
Yeah, I'm never too cool about bands wearing their own merch on stage. :nono :D

supernosher
06-06-2009, 11:40 PM
If you had any idea how different joe's guitars are form the production models you would appreciate the gift. The set-up, the pick-ups, He even has different bridges on several guitars. I didn't look closely at his guitars but he was had been using the prototype for the seymour duncan "even mo jo" pick up but that was about a year ago.

Dimarzio Mo Joe's (not Seymour Duncan).

They are Dimarzio something er others...like Zero G said.

supernosher
06-06-2009, 11:50 PM
So if I'm reading this correctly from the supporters of Chickenfoot, we're supposed to embrace the idea that this is supposed to be good time rock-n-roll with really bad lyrics and standard riffs. That's what they were trying to do.

I'm still wondering why we're supposed to be impressed with that.

I'm prepared to believe that this is just a comfortable hang for Joe (even though it seemed like he didn't really know what to play on that tune), but that doesn't make it good.

Are we defending the right of mindless rock to exist? OK.

We're not really trying to simultaneously suggest that this is "Good" are we?

Have you learned all the guitar parts and analyzed the chord changes? What about the chords and changes that Satriani played on Conan were standard? I really didn't hear any standard riffs... standard rhythm, not standard riffs. It definitely wasn't mindless... I heard it as like a bunch of settled down pro's playing straight rock... no angst, no nervousness, no crazy ideas... hmmm... wonder why :D It is different from what Satriani normally plays, but maybe that's why he signed on. I know Satriani is using his booking agent for Chickenfoot, so maybe that was a plus for him, as well...

Chad Smith rocked. He's a freakin' powerhaus.

supernosher
06-06-2009, 11:52 PM
As well as a hotel he built for musicians in Marin County, and a private garage for all his cars. He sold 80% of Cabo Wabo in 2007 for $60,000,000, by the way...
Which is supposed to mean, what, exactly? Should everyone not express their opinion because of this? What does it have to do with his 'music', or this performance? Should we somehow be impressed, or jealous? Why even mention it?



Right....... it has nothing to do with it.




So, if people dislike his 'singing', they're certainly entitled to. If you do like it, that's fine- but extraneous red herrings of this sort have absolutely nothing to do with the performance at hand.

wait wait wait! Calm down... I was just sayin'. Notice how it was a seperate post from my other comments? Yeah... that's because it DOESN'T have anything to do with my other points. You were right about that. OK, Captain Obvious?

Oasis.Guitar
06-06-2009, 11:58 PM
I liked it...

rhinocaster
06-07-2009, 12:00 AM
Have you learned all the guitar parts and analyzed the chord changes? What about the chords and changes that Satriani played on Conan were standard? I really didn't hear any standard riffs... standard rhythm, not standard riffs. It definitely wasn't mindless... I heard it as like a bunch of settled down pro's playing straight rock... no angst, no nervousness, no crazy ideas... hmmm... wonder why :D It is different from what Satriani normally plays, but maybe that's why he signed on. I know Satriani is using his booking agent for Chickenfoot, so maybe that was a plus for him, as well...

Chad Smith rocked. He's a freakin' powerhaus.

Yes, Chad Smith rocked. Maybe he was a "Powerhaus" (I really have no idea what that means) but I thought that he brought the only real rock sense to the party.

I heard '80s rock. Maybe you can tell me how is was harmonically different than the music of that time, but most of the people that enjoyed that tune see it as music from that era.

Joe DID play an interesting solo that didn't fit the rest of the song though.

madaxeman
06-07-2009, 12:05 AM
You've never heard John Mayer OR Robben Ford? Really?

So, if you don't have something nice to say, you don't say anything at all? Ever? Why would sharing it with friends on the net be any different than sharing it around the water cooler at work?

The funny thing is that you still feel superior to some artists, but the fact that you won't share that on the net, makes you feel even more superior.

Awesome.

Dude, seriously put down the pipe or bottle. How and the the hell am I saying I'm superior to anybody!!?? I said in my first comment on this thread I heard them and wasn't blown away by them. I'm a huge Schenker fan and I think alot of things he's done sucks...BUT I'm not on here spouting off about it because I love 75- 80% of what he's done and has accomplished more than you and I could ever dream of, exactly like the guys in Chickenfoot. Go to bed man, you've got nothing.

rhinocaster
06-07-2009, 12:10 AM
Dude, seriously put down the pipe or bottle. How and the the hell am I saying I'm superior to anybody!!?? I said in my first comment on this thread I heard them and wasn't blown away by them. I'm a huge Schenker fan and I think alot of things he's done sucks...BUT I'm not on here spouting off about it because I love 75- 80% of what he's done and has accomplished more than you and I could ever dream of, exactly like the guys in Chickenfoot. Go to bed man, you've got nothing.

But were not talking about what these guys HAVE done. We're talking about Chickenfoot.

I have seen very little on this thread that suggests these guys don't deserve their place in rock history. For the most part, people are not saying that the individual members suck.

Way to keep up with the insults though.

P.S. You are correct in one thing. Negativity is crappy, and I should not have shared the fact that I am very disappointed in Chickenfoot and the general direction of popular music. From now on, only positive from me.

Thanks!

John Hurtt
06-07-2009, 12:12 AM
So I am reading it correctly. It's bad. It's always been bad and to expect anything more is unrealistic.

Van Halen wasn't great writing, but is WAS great playing and a complete musical idea. At best, Hagar was decent enough for most people to accept the continuation of Halen vs. the end of Halen.

This is a disaster, and excusing it by saying that Sammy has always been bad (with the exception of some vocal prowess) just passes me by.

No....

What I'm saying is that anyone who expects Hagar to do anything outside of what his career has been...and than is disappointed....is probably not being very realistic. I didn't particularly like this song or performance, but than I can find performances and songs from pretty much any artist that I didn't care for. Lot's of stinkers in the VH catalog with Diamond Dave as well, let's not let nostalgia get in the way of reality. Saying this is a "disaster" is actually pretty funny...it's just a rock song on a late night show.

rhinocaster
06-07-2009, 12:16 AM
No....

What I'm saying is that anyone who expects Hagar to do anything outside of what his career has been...and than is disappointed....is probably not being very realistic. I didn't particularly like this song or performance, but than I can find performances and songs from pretty much any artist that I didn't care for. Lot's of stinkers in the VH catalog with Diamond Dave as well, let's not let nostalgia get in the way of reality. Saying this is a "disaster" is actually pretty funny...it's just a rock song on a late night show.

You're absolutely correct.

It wasn't a disaster.

I just thought that it would be better given the people involved.

I thought the drums were solid and it probably sounds great live.

amigo30
06-07-2009, 12:17 AM
I liked it...

Me too.
:hide


Was Joe doing the incredible Satriani thing that we all know and love? nope.
Was the song complicated and full of technical prowess for all the guitar gods to bow down over, an amazing composition? nope.

What it was was a straight ahead rock song. Something a non-musician might hear on their car radio and crank the volume a bit with and enjoy for 3 or 4 minutes. Somehow, I think that was all they were shooting for.

It was kind of refreshing compared to yet another over-processed manufactured band trying for an image.

I have to say, I liked Sammy before VH. Hated him with VH. It's good to see him doing something where you didn't wish you saw DLR standing there instead. He's somehow easier to take not being with VH.

supernosher
06-07-2009, 12:31 AM
Yes, Chad Smith rocked. Maybe he was a "Powerhaus" (I really have no idea what that means) but I thought that he brought the only real rock sense to the party.

I heard '80s rock. Maybe you can tell me how is was harmonically different than the music of that time, but most of the people that enjoyed that tune see it as music from that era.

Joe DID play an interesting solo that didn't fit the rest of the song though.


Powerhaus - LOL...

you don't know what a powerhouse drummer would be akin to? Heh... I just like the haus spelling of house - like a BMW engine is powerful and efficient and an indie BMW shop would have "haus" in their name. anyway...

Bassomatic
06-07-2009, 12:33 AM
I just can't believe people would rather pay attention to some washed-up dudes who can't write real songs to save their lives when there is so much great new music out there.

And how.

For old dudes, I thought recent appearances from Pearl Jam and those rapidly-aging young punks from Green Day were pretty happening. I know that's not who you're referring to. My point is that there's much more happening stuff available within the big ol' mainstream itself.

Bassomatic
06-07-2009, 12:35 AM
I'd rather watch some washed up dudes rock out than hear nickelback or whiny emo rockers like Incubus.

A man who clearly has *no* idea what great stuff is out there. Hessian a Nickelback fan? That's pretty rich.

rhinocaster
06-07-2009, 12:36 AM
Powerhaus - LOL...

you don't know what a powerhouse drummer would be akin to? Heh... I just like the haus spelling of house - like a BMW engine is powerful and efficient and an indie BMW shop would have "haus" in their name. anyway...

Haus or House, I dug what he brought.

Good stuff.

Bassomatic
06-07-2009, 12:41 AM
Ya know why don't all you "experts" on here get together and write and record and album and show all us dumb asses on here how its done, or better yet point us in the direction of what you have already done that's better.

Now you want songwriting lessons for free? That's asking a bit much.

I'm pretty sure that I've heard *lots* of music from TGPers that's loads better than the sorry Freedom Rock-type rehash Chickenfoot was trying to sell. Then again, I actively seek stuff out - I don't wait for others to spoon feed me.

steve39stripes
06-07-2009, 12:45 AM
Was not happy with the performance on Conan and really was excited at the line-up. I agree that I wish Sammy would step up the lyrics. He actually can bring depth to lyrics when he wants to and showed that on some of the bigger VH tunes. I caught this on YouTube tonight and was a single that had more energy and was a lot more fun I think. Hoping to check out the new CD in a few days. Would be cool if Sammy played some guitar with Satch. I enjoyed when he did it with Eddie and always wish they had done more of it. Would add some more dimensions to this band as well. I saw some red amp heads on stage and maybe they are Sammy's who knows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhbQ6OUdvhc&feature=related

Update: Just watched a few more vids on YouTube and Sammy was playing a red Les Paul with Satch.

madaxeman
06-07-2009, 12:54 AM
But were not talking about what these guys HAVE done. We're talking about Chickenfoot.

I have seen very little on this thread that suggests these guys don't deserve their place in rock history. For the most part, people are not saying that the individual members suck.

Way to keep up with the insults though.

P.S. You are correct in one thing. Negativity is crappy, and I should not have shared the fact that I am very disappointed in Chickenfoot and the general direction of popular music. From now on, only positive from me.

Thanks!

I'm not on here to insult anyone. I mean I'm assuming your a musician of some sort, if your disappointed in Chickenfoot and the direction of popular music and obviously think you have the answer ,do something about it or don't listen ,move on and shut up about it.It's YOUR opinion and MY opinion on TGP. TGP is not the world like some people on here think it is and at the end of the day our opinions don't mean jack sh*t to the world or any famous musician in it.

rhinocaster
06-07-2009, 01:00 AM
I'm not on here to insult anyone. I mean I'm assuming your a musician of some sort, if your disappointed in Chickenfoot and the direction of popular music and obviously think you have the answer ,do something about it or don't listen ,move on and shut up about it.It's YOUR opinion and MY opinion on TGP. TGP is not the world like some people on here think it is and at the end of the day our opinions don't mean jack sh*t to the world or any famous musician in it.

This wasn't about solving the problems that I feel exist in popular music. It was my feelings about the quality of a tune I heard from a band. Thats all.

I'm a member of a discussion forum and I thought that I would share my feelings on the performance. That rarely goes over well here.

I really don't care what happens with Chickenfoot.

madaxeman
06-07-2009, 01:03 AM
Now you want songwriting lessons for free? That's asking a bit much.

I'm pretty sure that I've heard *lots* of music from TGPers that's loads better than the sorry Freedom Rock-type rehash Chickenfoot was trying to sell. Then again, I actively seek stuff out - I don't wait for others to spoon feed me.

From you? I dunno , lets hear one you wrote. Hey that's great there's better players on here and I bet they're not on this thread pissing and moaning about how much better they are. I guess your not one of them.

madaxeman
06-07-2009, 01:05 AM
This wasn't about solving the problems that I feel exist in popular music. It was my feelings about the quality of a tune I heard from a band. Thats all.

I'm a member of a discussion forum and I thought that I would share my feelings on the performance. That rarely goes over well here.

I really don't care what happens with Chickenfoot.

I could care less also, I'm just not gonna bash them. Have a great night.

CharAznable
06-07-2009, 01:27 AM
Another pathetic statement ! There is some great new talent. Then you go and say something as gay as to say these guys are washed up. That is the laugher of the year. You are either very young and listen to bands that sound like Fallout boy or you are just a plain idiot. From Chicago to say the least, the most crooked city in the Nation. You just represent your city well !! Arrogance at its best. Keep em' com'n .:rolleyes:

Way to go needlessly insulting somebody's town. Ignored.

Bassomatic
06-07-2009, 01:37 AM
Hey that's great there's better players on here and I bet they're not on this thread pissing and moaning about how much better they are. I guess your not one of them.

I might respond to this, but you'd have to rephrase it in english. I really don't understand what you're trying to say - I'm not one of the guys pissing and moaning? I'm not one of the better players (true, except perhaps for bass stuff)? I can't write a good song (false)?

What I don't get is your lack of class and apparent hostility toward anyone who was less than impressed with that clearly unimpressive bit on Conan last night.

FWIW, I just saw the rerun of the second number from TV On The Radio's SNL appearance - now *that* was exciting, well played, and well written rock. Nothing lame about it. You might hate it, but that wouldn't lead me to start hurling insults.

Bassomatic
06-07-2009, 01:45 AM
Way to go needlessly insulting somebody's town. Ignored.

Not to mention gratuitous homophobia.

cg
06-07-2009, 02:33 AM
Downloaded the album today. Wanted to like it - found it very tired sounding on the first pass through. Very lame first song - no hook, etc.

jimfog
06-07-2009, 03:32 AM
I think that was EXACTLY what I expected from those particular players.

guzman
06-07-2009, 04:33 AM
Damn guys, all your negative comments make me feel like you're all guitar gods playing in awesome bands that will never be forgotten and which names will be written in history...







But why aren't you on television ?

(And by the way, it is NOT the fact that you say that this band sucks that bothers me, it's how you say it.)

Yngtchie Blacksteen
06-07-2009, 05:09 AM
You can criticize a famous musician without being a famous musician yourself.

supernosher
06-07-2009, 06:00 AM
You can criticize a famous musician without being a famous musician yourself.

No you can't. That's illegal and punished with up to 5 punches in the nads. By Big_Mike.

When you say the band weren't tight because one chord wasn't fretted properly one time during the performance, I think that's safe to call retarded. When you say that the bass player had stupid shoes on, that's probably safe to call retarded.

TNJ
06-07-2009, 09:41 AM
Another superstar band that looks so good on paper, yet doesnt translate at all well when the rubber hits the road.

Same as it ever was...

S.
j

AustinIsPresent
06-07-2009, 11:10 AM
Having read a smattering of opinions in this thread, I will have to say that, upon listening to several songs, I am unimpressed. It sounds like they're having fun, but it just isn't clicking with me. I'd been rather pumped to hear them, as in interviews Satch had been saying things about the group that gave me a lot of hope, but I don't know. It just sounds a lot like stuff I hear at bars on Fridays, being played by guys without names that fetch endorsement deals...

Wooley
06-07-2009, 11:16 AM
Well, SELLING IT is part of the performance, especially with the type of music Chickenfoot wants to create.

The sunglasses and staring at your hand is a massive disconnect from the audience.

Ya know what really connects with the audience. Making great music.

Satch's job in that band is to play the guitar. They have a VERY dynamic frontman, who's got plenty of energy for the audience.

Only guitarists care where the guitarist is looking.

rhinocaster
06-07-2009, 11:23 AM
Ya know what really connects with the audience. Making great music.

Satch's job in that band is to play the guitar. They have a VERY dynamic frontman, who's got plenty of energy for the audience.

Only guitarists care where the guitarist is looking.

Great music can certainly connect with an audience, but the audience still needs a show. Mike gets that on bass and EVH got that when rocking. Most successful bands get that. Joe doesn't seem to get that.

drgonzoguitar
06-07-2009, 11:29 AM
You are a professional critic you say? What company ? You should pay more attention to details and what people are actually saying. He said it was cool that he gave the guitar to Conan. What the hell does that have to do with the fact he pays for them or not. I give you NO Credibility from your statements. What did you get a flyer in the mail asking you to survey music ? Judging the whole project on the NBC show is foolish. Making comment about the shoes, people's hairy arms and that they are washed up is foolish. In the end from a business stand point it is about the sum of all parts and that they produce. Sam wore red shoes because not only does he probably like them, but I would imagine his Net worth is at the least around 100 to 150 million dollars. Yes that is million ! Possibly more ! That is just a guess. Not to mention the success of Mike, chad and Joe. Do you think the vast listening public cares what you really think. If I were the company you are surveying for I would have surveyed you first !! Remember you are the one who says you "speak your mind", and I respect that at least. So I am speaking mine. And about the comment about Chicago I made.......that did not originally come from me .......it came from the Attorney general of the United States of America in 2009 on National Television. Based on fact, unlike your comment about about Satch and his guitars are free. Maybe they are maybe their not. At Christmas or your birthday do you ask where the gift came from too?? !!! Until then you will make stupid baseless comments. Nobody cares about critics "dude". If I were stupid enough to follow critics I would be nowhere in life. ......So these guys are washed up you say.....come back and say that after they sell a ton of this CD. Mark my words they might even get rock album of the year. Personally I have listened to the " Whole " CD and it is great. When I saw them live last month they sounded Waaaaay better than on Conan. Good job with the sound and mix NBC !!!! Of course you are the expert . ;) Have a great day being a "Paid" critic.

You're just upset that four great players made a wonderfully craptastic album.

http://sensico.wordpress.com/files/2009/01/crybaby.jpg

talpa
06-07-2009, 11:36 AM
well it ain't Peace In Mississippi.

JazzHessian
06-07-2009, 11:54 AM
You are a professional critic you say? What company ? You should pay more attention to details and what people are actually saying. He said it was cool that he gave the guitar to Conan. What the hell does that have to do with the fact he pays for them or not. I give you NO Credibility from your statements. What did you get a flyer in the mail asking you to survey music ? Judging the whole project on the NBC show is foolish. Making comment about the shoes, people's hairy arms and that they are washed up is foolish. In the end from a business stand point it is about the sum of all parts and that they produce. Sam wore red shoes because not only does he probably like them, but I would imagine his Net worth is at the least around 100 to 150 million dollars. Yes that is million ! Possibly more ! That is just a guess. Not to mention the success of Mike, chad and Joe. Do you think the vast listening public cares what you really think. If I were the company you are surveying for I would have surveyed you first !! Remember you are the one who says you "speak your mind", and I respect that at least. So I am speaking mine. And about the comment about Chicago I made.......that did not originally come from me .......it came from the Attorney general of the United States of America in 2009 on National Television. Based on fact, unlike your comment about about Satch and his guitars are free. Maybe they are maybe their not. At Christmas or your birthday do you ask where the gift came from too?? !!! Until then you will make stupid baseless comments. Nobody cares about critics "dude". If I were stupid enough to follow critics I would be nowhere in life. ......So these guys are washed up you say.....come back and say that after they sell a ton of this CD. Mark my words they might even get rock album of the year. Personally I have listened to the " Whole " CD and it is great. When I saw them live last month they sounded Waaaaay better than on Conan. Good job with the sound and mix NBC !!!! Of course you are the expert . ;) Have a great day being a "Paid" critic.

Laughter of the year.

JazzHessian
06-07-2009, 11:55 AM
Hessian a Nickelback fan? That's pretty rich.

I had a good chuckle myself.

Ed DeGenaro
06-07-2009, 11:59 AM
Maybe it's time to change the page header from TGP-A Gear Discussion Website for Musicians to A Gear Discussion Website for Critics
Seriously for all the "i love music and i know better" opinions displayed one would think I am looking at guys like Sam Philips, Leonard Chess, or Alfred Lion talking about music.

As for "ears" in this industry...my wife used to give John Kalodner her 2 cents on stuff he was about to sign and guess what...I love her dearly, and admire her knowledge but when she hears me go left and suggests me turn the other way....not gonna happen.

Ed DeGenaro
06-07-2009, 12:02 PM
i saw sammy in '77 when he was the "red rocker" opening for Boston. anyone else see that tour?


he blew Boston OFF THE DAMN STAGE, in my opinion.

"Bad Motor Scooter" with the lap steel.....it was the first time i had seena rock n roller use one of those.

suddenly my grandpa was COOL again :)
Saw him in Germany then, the lap was the shit.

Ed DeGenaro
06-07-2009, 12:07 PM
You're not going to try to play that card are you?

Do you like ALL music? ALL bands?

If you don't like one single band, you would have to show how you were superior. You want to head down that road?
not a matter of not liking, but a matter of conduct. wanna be a muso or a critic?

Bobby D
06-07-2009, 12:12 PM
Saw him in Germany then, the lap was the shit.

yeah, suddenly my old grandpa who played lap steel with a POCKETKNIFE was suddenly a WHOLE LOT COOLER after i saw Sammy.

i could still never talk him into trying a single effects pedal, though ;)

rhinocaster
06-07-2009, 12:15 PM
not a matter of not liking, but a matter of conduct. wanna be a muso or a critic?

I just want to play my guitar and chat with other people that have similar interests.

I don't see why being a player would preclude someone from having an opinion about other bands.

P.S. This thread has completely cured me of wanting to share my opinion about bands or music unless I have something positive to say.

Ed DeGenaro
06-07-2009, 12:18 PM
I just want to play my guitar and chat with other people that have similar interests.

I don't see why being a player would preclude someone from having an opinion about other bands.
no one said anything about having an opinion, but the egoistical "I have a story to tell and your damn well going to listen" concept is not gonna do you any good if you want to be a player.

Ed DeGenaro
06-07-2009, 12:19 PM
yeah, suddenly my old grandpa who played lap steel with a POCKETKNIFE was suddenly a WHOLE LOT COOLER after i saw Sammy.

i could still never talk him into trying a single effects pedal, though ;)
and speaking of which...coolest fekkin' lap hang...Campbell Brothers