Two-Rock Shoot Out: Type II

[traviswalk]

Picked up a Two-Rock Type II last week and spent some good time with it over the weekend, including at gig volume during a full band practice. I have a 10th and a Type III on their way as well this week in prep for a big a$$ Two-Rock shoot out to determine which one of the three says in my permanent setup. I’ve got the Mrs. and kids out of town this weekend as well, so one of my rare chances to crank continuously for hours on end and really try out the amps at full song!

Now don’t ask about making clips, my Pro Tools setup went ka-boom this weekend, causing me to give up on Dell once and for all and have a new Apple en route that will HOPEFULLY be here by this weekend to make some proper clips. I will try to take some video as well as there have been a few folks inquiring for the diff between the Type II, Type III and 10th Anniversary. Stand by.

The Type II arrived early last week so I focused on it first. The version I got is a 50 watt 2xKT66 version and the amp is a HRM Bluesmaster style. I ran it through a TR 1x12 Sig with a TR 1265 along with a TR Sig 2x12 with two TR 1265s (will be updated to ASW Kt-70s this week). I will simply state this, in the TGP world the Type II seems hang in the shadows of the popular Type III, but this is an absolutely monster amp in its own right. Awesome. I previously had an Opal that I loved and mistakenly sold. One of the things I loved about the Opal was that it was an extremely LOUD 50 watts, by far the loudest 50 watt I’ve every played. This Type II is equally as loud and off the bat had a similar, quick and stiff feel as the Opal, which is a very good thing. The clean channel on the amp IMHO actually improves on the Opal and has a more hollow, woody feel (bad descriptors, but this was the first time that something being ‘woody’ hit me over the head with it!). Just a beautiful clean and I didn’t even mind that there was no reverb. I kept all the T/M/B switches off and kept the treble at noon, mid at noon and bass down to 10 o’clock. I mean seriously, the cleans are spectacular. I had my ol’ Classic Reverb and Sterling Sig hooked up next to the Type II, and the cleans do sound and feel different. Not better or worse than those, but different in a very enjoyable way.

The lead channel is great, really great. With a Strat I keep the gain down because it is clear that Strat gain is not this amps strong suit. It sounds really good at low gain volume on the lead channel where you get a bit of dirt, but nothing smooth and Ford-y. More like a clean with a Tubescreamer in front, particularly if you keep the gain low and ride the FET knob up. You still get the bounce of the single coils, but a bit of hair. Where this amp made me wet myself was with humbuckers, clearly the best fit for the gain on this amp. Big, beautiful and smooth, and the string articulation when you rake the pick on the strings that is just awesome to hear. Very Bonamassa. Relative to the Emerald Pro was different enough to be noticeable. The biggest difference that hit me was the softer feel of the E.Pro.

I also tried with some reverbs and delays in the loop, as well as some dirt/fuzz pedals up front. There wasn’t a bad combination to be found.

Stay tuned for better and fuller reviews including a full Two-Rock comparison with the Sterling Sig, Classic Reverb, Emerald Pro, Type II, Type III and 10 Anniversary along with some comparos to my Carol-Ann and Bludo. Hopefully I get my Pro Tools setup sorted before the fam returns so I can do some proper clips and video, until then obtuse adjectives describing woody tone are the order of the day….

And I know this is worthless without pics, I'll post some of the initial setup tonight.

[Mike]

Cool project! Only change I'd make is that the Type II circuit works better as a 100 watter. I loved mine and the guy I sold it to is crazy about it.

Mike

[macmax77]

Picked up a Two-Rock Type II last week and spent some good time with it over the weekend, including at gig volume during a full band practice. I have a 10th and a Type III on their way as well this week in prep for a big a$$ Two-Rock shoot out to determine which one of the three says in my permanent setup. I’ve got the Mrs. and kids out of town this weekend as well, so one of my rare chances to crank continuously for hours on end and really try out the amps at full song!

Now don’t ask about making clips, my Pro Tools setup went ka-boom this weekend, causing me to give up on Dell once and for all and have a new Apple en route that will HOPEFULLY be here by this weekend to make some proper clips. I will try to take some video as well as there have been a few folks inquiring for the diff between the Type II, Type III and 10th Anniversary. Stand by.

The Type II arrived early last week so I focused on it first. The version I got is a 50 watt 2xKT66 version and the amp is a HRM Bluesmaster style. I ran it through a TR 1x12 Sig with a TR 1265 along with a TR Sig 2x12 with two TR 1265s (will be updated to ASW Kt-70s this week). I will simply state this, in the TGP world the Type II seems hang in the shadows of the popular Type III, but this is an absolutely monster amp in its own right. Awesome. I previously had an Opal that I loved and mistakenly sold. One of the things I loved about the Opal was that it was an extremely LOUD 50 watts, by far the loudest 50 watt I’ve every played. This Type II is equally as loud and off the bat had a similar, quick and stiff feel as the Opal, which is a very good thing. The clean channel on the amp IMHO actually improves on the Opal and has a more hollow, woody feel (bad descriptors, but this was the first time that something being ‘woody’ hit me over the head with it!). Just a beautiful clean and I didn’t even mind that there was no reverb. I kept all the T/M/B switches off and kept the treble at noon, mid at noon and bass down to 10 o’clock. I mean seriously, the cleans are spectacular. I had my ol’ Classic Reverb and Sterling Sig hooked up next to the Type II, and the cleans do sound and feel different. Not better or worse than those, but different in a very enjoyable way.

The lead channel is great, really great. With a Strat I keep the gain down because it is clear that Strat gain is not this amps strong suit. It sounds really good at low gain volume on the lead channel where you get a bit of dirt, but nothing smooth and Ford-y. More like a clean with a Tubescreamer in front, particularly if you keep the gain low and ride the FET knob up. You still get the bounce of the single coils, but a bit of hair. Where this amp made me wet myself was with humbuckers, clearly the best fit for the gain on this amp. Big, beautiful and smooth, and the string articulation when you rake the pick on the strings that is just awesome to hear. Very Bonamassa. Relative to the Emerald Pro was different enough to be noticeable. The biggest difference that hit me was the softer feel of the E.Pro.

I also tried with some reverbs and delays in the loop, as well as some dirt/fuzz pedals up front. There wasn’t a bad combination to be found.

Stay tuned for better and fuller reviews including a full Two-Rock comparison with the Sterling Sig, Classic Reverb, Emerald Pro, Type II, Type III and 10 Anniversary along with some comparos to my Carol-Ann and Bludo. Hopefully I get my Pro Tools setup sorted before the fam returns so I can do some proper clips and video, until then obtuse adjectives describing woody tone are the order of the day….

And I know this is worthless without pics, I'll post some of the initial setup tonight.

why would someone have a Dell and Two Rock amps, something does not compute sir!:nuts

Actually, why would someone have a Dell????

Now the "rocks" are great amps!

[AY4966]

WOW, u have an amazing collection of two rocks. the type 2 seems great. Its seems now all that ur missing are the CRS(wonderful amp, now used by John Mayer. Ive played thru this as well as a type 3 and it sings wonderfully), OD sig (not really necessary), John Mayer, and Kimock, out of the two rocks. Truly great amps- i love their balance of pristine and beautiful cleans with the singing overdrive. Good luck with you tone test!

Ps- Im extremely jealous of your collection

[traviswalk]

No need to be jealous, but thank you for that. I went a little crazy in picking some up in advance of my bachelor time at home. I will have to move a few that I don't chose to keep after this weekend, it has hit ludicrous speed with six Two Rocks!!

I saw a Type I available at Black Creek...that would be cool to compare a I, II and III! Agree I should have a CRS V1 or V2. I was close but no cigar on a Mayer and I chose the Type II over the Kimock. So many Two-Rocks....so little time!

[AY4966]

Yea. The OD sig and Mayer amps are extremely expensive, and hard to find. And a CRS (id reccomend V2 if you did) are really great amps, both amazing clean and lead tones (also used by Joe Bonomossa!). It would be a nice addition and it is my favorite TR. Two Rocks IMO are Wonderful, well built, and great sounding (but of course you know that). One of my fave amp companies

And by the way, what are the emerald and sterling sig based on/sound like??

[traviswalk]

Emerald Pro is d-based and you can read about other folks opinions ad nauseum around here (I say that lightly, most folks here love them including me!). The Sterling is a 100 watt, Steel String Singer inspired clean focused beast that was the predecesor to the current Custom Clean.

[ohshait]

That is one awesome collection of amps, I'm sure you can cop any sort of tone imaginable. Truly spectacular. I look forward to clips when you fix your setup!

[bluesdoc]

I had a one-off type 2 Bill built and it was the best amp I've ever heard/had. Both clean and lead were to die for.

jon

[sfarnell]

Nice collection. I can't wait for the shootout.

I am so tempted to sell all of my amps except my Custom Clean because it's the only one that gets played anymore.

The newer TRs, 10th Anni, the CRS v2 , the Custom Clean, and the Classic Series, are the bees' knees.

I saw Kimock play last week and he was using an amp Bill made that was out of this world. It was a beast (27" wide) with 6L6s and two big MusicMan transformers in it. No problem hearing it outdoors. :eek:

[kimock]

I saw Kimock play last week and he was using an amp Bill made that was out of this world. It was a beast (27" wide) with 6L6s and two big MusicMan transformers in it. No problem hearing it outdoors. :eek:

Ouch. That was the loudest single amp I ever played in my life.
I think it was 150 watts class B.
Usually I just backline Fenders for festivals, but being in Bill's backyard I said "Oh just something clean with reverb in it, and any Fender will be fine."
I cracked the thing on and when I turned the Twin up to match it, the Twin was on 7.
No soundcheck, go. It was loud. Sounded great. Could barely play it was so loud.
More fun than a half gallon of red ants!

Re: Type 2, I've taken that amp out a couple of times in various incarnations for a few tours, misc. gigs, rehearsals, etc.
It's perfect for about half the stuff I do.
I have one right hand move, a big push with the meat of my thumb around the middle of the string, that on my regular rigs including the Fender backline gives me a huge fundamental with some gain.
Still pretty woody, but it's all the way as far as I can go in the direction of fat and warm with my right hand.
Everything else is gonna be brighter.
The Type 2 doesn't go there for me once it's turned up a little.
It seems to make it's distortion above the fundamental, which is ideal for the higher gain stuff, and it sure locates in the mix in a coherent way for rock style rhythm playing, but most of my schtick is still cleanish, and the Type 3 does a better job at making that 'push for low end move' easy to execute for me.

Anyway, just sayin' that's a great amp for everything in a different style than I play, and it's still perfect for me about half the time.
It's interesting I think, that some of these amps, no matter how superficially similar they seem, can be so far apart in specific applications.
It's all very personal, huh?
It's more about you than the amp maybe. . .
Choose wisely!

peace

[traviswalk]

It's more about you than the amp maybe. . .
Choose wisely!

peace

First off, that 150 watter sounds awesome!!

Second, love that quote and I'm really bonding with the Type II, on it again tonight. Here are some pics before the others arrive:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2793.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2796.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2802.jpg

[AY4966]

U have a bruno too??!!? How do you get all of these amazing amps? Now im really jealous. I bet ur rig sounds f'n amazing.

[traviswalk]

Love the Bruno, big fan of the UG30. I do have to admit that all of the amps are awesome in their own way and I would probably be happy if I just had a Classic Reverb and some pedals....but nice to try some different flavors of ice cream!

[Sean French]

Nice group of amps.
Looking forward to your shoot out/clips.
Like the Type 2 the OD-2 is also an HRM Bluesmaster circuit.;)

[csanford]

Like the Type 2 the OD-2 is also an HRM Bluesmaster circuit.;)

That's not exactly true. The OD-2 is closer to a traditional HRM style amp, but with a Marshall-type PI, and the PAB permanently on in OD mode. The Bluesmaster is its own thing... different preamp, different boost, different presence circuit, etc. They are apples and oranges.

chris

[Sean French]

That's not exactly true. The OD-2 is closer to a traditional HRM style amp, but with a Marshall-type PI, and the PAB permanently on in OD mode. The Bluesmaster is its own thing... different preamp, different boost, different presence circuit, etc. They are apples and oranges.

chris


It's my understanding that a "Bluesmaster" is an HRM circuit with a Marshall PI and Marshall power section.
What am I missing?
Not being an expert,I surely would like to make sure I have the proper info.:D
Yes,the PAB is always on in the OD channel of the OD-2.

[scottl]

The Carol Ann does not incorporate the Bluesmaster clean tone stack. It is a Skyliner.

For the record, the prior poster owns a Type II and had an OD2.

It's my understanding that a "Bluesmaster" is an HRM circuit with a Marshall PI and Marshall power section.
What am I missing?
I surely would like to make sure I have the proper info.:D
Yes,the PAB is always on in the OD channel of the OD-2.

[Sean French]

The Carol Ann does not incorporate the Bluesmaster clean tone stack. It is a Skyliner.


Alrighty then.
Learned something new today.
Thanks Scott.

[Tag]

Cool!!! Look forward to hearing your results!! PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE post clips for all to hear one way or another!


I have owned the Sigv1, sigv2, E.pro, Custom, Type2, type3, played a type 1 for a few hours, and my fave is the type3 and emmy, least fave type2. Yet to play a 10th! All the TwoRocks are my favorite Dumble style amps however. Bill is the man.


CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS!!!!

[digital jams]

Was hoping for an audio shootout, after that highgain shootout thread the word shootout used in a title of a thread will never be the same.

[traviswalk]

CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS!!!!

Believe me, I deperately want to and agree with you! Worst case this weekend if my Mac is not setup I'll record to my old ADATs and transfer it over after the fact.

Was hoping for an audio shootout, after that highgain shootout thread the word shootout used in a title of a thread will never be the same.

Very good point, maybe I shouldn't have used that word!

[sfarnell]

Cool!!! Look forward to hearing your results!! PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE post clips for all to hear one way or another!


I have owned the Sigv1, sigv2, E.pro, Custom, Type2, type3, played a type 1 for a few hours, and my fave is the type3 and emmy, least fave type2. Yet to play a 10th! All the TwoRocks are my favorite Dumble style amps however. Bill is the man.


CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS!!!!

Tag, you need to try a Custom Clean, although I don't know if you're emotionally prepared to leave your Brunos behind. ;)

[reddgeetarzan]

Cool project! Only change I'd make is that the Type II circuit works better as a 100 watter. I loved mine and the guy I sold it to is crazy about it.

Mike


I'm with you Mike- I like all of the TR's better in the 100 watt format, but I tend to use less efficient speakers....never got along with EV's, maybe I need to give 'em one more shot.

[Mike]

I'm with you Mike- I like all of the TR's better in the 100 watt format, but I tend to use less efficient speakers....never got along with EV's, maybe I need to give 'em one more shot.Yeah Scott, I generally prefer 100 watters myself, but in the case of the Type II circuit, it really "works" better at 100 watts. So I think it may be a teeny bit handicapped in the comparison.

But I'll tell you what - rev that thing up in a live context and it is amazing, with really great character and texture, even without anything in the loop. Lots of low end in the circuit (probably the greatest reason for needing the 100 watts). It has 4x12 thump out of a 2x12 - great for some, bothersome for some. For recording, it's a little more finicky than the other models and does need some capacitance in the loop to smooth things out.

Mike

[traviswalk]

Yeah Scott, I generally prefer 100 watters myself, but in the case of the Type II circuit, it really "works" better at 100 watts. So I think it may be a teeny bit handicapped in the comparison.

But I'll tell you what - rev that thing up in a live context and it is amazing, with really great character and texture, even without anything in the loop. Lots of low end in the circuit (probably the greatest reason for needing the 100 watts). It has 4x12 thump out of a 2x12 - great for some, bothersome for some. For recording, it's a little more finicky than the other models and does need some capacitance in the loop to smooth things out.

Mike

Man, I can't imagine how the Type II would sound with 100 watts! The 50 watt moves so much air as is, but it would help kick that bass through. I also like that the Type II isn't as inherently dark as the Opal was.

[Mike]

Man, I can't imagine how the Type II would sound with 100 watts! The 50 watt moves so much air as is, but it would help kick that bass through. I also like that the Type II isn't as inherently dark as the Opal was.Eggggzactly!

It will be great to see how you compare/contrast these amps. I can tell you're going to do a great job.

Mike

[sfarnell]

Does the Type 2 have a separate countour for the lead channel like the Type 3?

[csanford]

Does the Type 2 have a separate countour for the lead channel like the Type 3?

Yes.

chris

[traviswalk]

Man, I missed the Fed Ex guy with the Type III....now getting it tomorrow!

[Carol-AnnAmps]

That's not exactly true. The OD-2 is closer to a traditional HRM style amp, but with a Marshall-type PI, and the PAB permanently on in OD mode. The Bluesmaster is its own thing... different preamp, different boost, different presence circuit, etc. They are apples and oranges.

chris

True and to add to this...

The funny thing was though....no-one had heard of or degooped a BM Dumble when the OD2 came around . THe first JB-100 was the initial circuit that I used the Marshall PI in, as a suggestion from Joe himself, he certainly had no interest in BM circuit topology. He just thought it would be cool to drive the power tubes harder like a Marshall, so I made the output stage similar. The EL34 OD2s use this output stage and it is what it is and I have absolutely no interest in how close it is or it isn't to a BM in reality.

An amp is the sum of all it's parts, not just specifics. What about the transformers? I'd never use a Twin Reverb PT in a 100W amp with an EL34 output stage unless I was actually wanting to make a space heater. I'd never use an aluminium chassis for a 100W (or 50W) amp. The OD2 OT's are a higher primary impedance than what Dumble used in EL34 amps. On that subject, running an 8 ohm cab on the 4 ohm tap is not a 'secret recipe' (sorry TAG) nor is it a particularly good Engineering solution. THe choke I use is similar to a Marshall JCM-800 choke.
However........I really like the Dumble Skyliner clean stack. It's a great amalgamation tonally between a Fender and a Marshall.

If you want a clone of any specific Dumble, the OD2 is not it, nor is it trying to be. Some of my favourite Dumble circuit aspects are definately in there, but IT IS NOT trying to be a Dumble and it is certaibnly not trying to be like any TR, I've never even played a TR in my life. Those guys do their thing, I do mine.

[J.T. Guitar]

Great post Alan. I've had a lot of TRs... great amps. But, nothing ever approached the tone I get with my OD-2 EL-34. I just had to order a 6L6 OD-2 too. Perfect tone is a subjective, personal, and fickle beast.

[Tag]

On that subject, running an 8 ohm cab on the 4 ohm tap is not a 'secret recipe' (sorry TAG) nor is it a particularly good Engineering solution.

Here I am! :wave Now please show me where I have EVER said ANYTHING like that. You must have me mixed up with someone else.


(EDIT)
Ah wait! unless you think that is what I was talking about with Quinns amp. Not even close. Nothing that simple. Quinn has the Robben Ford tone secret DOWN! :aok DEAD on the money! GO QUINN!!!

[csanford]

True and to add to this...

The funny thing was though....no-one had heard of or degooped a BM Dumble when the OD2 came around

Not true. I have a Bluesmaster schematic that was originally drawn up in 2001. To be fair though, at the time, I built the circuit and thought it sounded awful. Go figure.

And yes, of course, I neglected to tell Sean that the OD2 has different iron, tubes, layout, component choices, chassis material, a built in loop, etc., etc. Figured I had made my point already. :)


chris

[Tag]

Not true. I have a Bluesmaster schematic that was originally drawn up in 2001. To be fair though, at the time, I build the circuit and thought it sounded awful.
chris


It still does to me. :dunno I cant stand the harsh sounding things.

[Sean French]

And yes, of course, I neglected to tell Sean that the OD2 has different iron, tubes, layout, component choices, chassis material, a built in loop, etc., etc. Figured I had made my point already. :)


chris


He he he.
Yes,I know the chassis is steel not aluminum,the iron is different and has a loop etc.
My comment,not being an expert,was since the OD-2 is HRM with a Marshall style PI and output section that it was a Bluesmaster type circuit.So,I thought.lol
Not a clone as I know Alan does his own thing.

[traviswalk]

Good detail Alan, love to read that stuff.

On my amp quest, the Type III arrived today, 10th arrives tomorrow, Bludo arrives Friday and Grease Monkey on Monday/Tuesday. Best news for you guys, Apple gets here Friday so (fingers crossed) I can get it all set up and get some clips rollin!

[J.T. Guitar]

Best news for you guys, Apple gets here Friday so (fingers crossed) I can get it all set up and get some clips rollin!

That's good news... BEST news would be you anouncing that you are giving up playing the guitar, and having a Gear Page member raffle for all your gear.

:crazyguy

[ohshait]

lookin forward to your type 3 review!

[phillyred79]

Yes!! I've waiting for a good Two-Rock thread to pop up! Having owned the Type 3, Custom Clean, and Custom Reverb Sig. V2 I am finally letting go my CRSig. They are ALL wonderful amps in their own right, but to me I need a super clean platform for pedal use at times which the Custom Clean is just perfect for (and the reverb is just amazing) and the flexibility of the Type 3 with the tube rectifier feel just brings my fingers to life!!! So I have to bid the CRSig adieu- just too much overlap.

Now I'm curious has anyone talked to Bill or Joe about the possibility of adding reverb to the Type 3????

[mcinku]

I just had my little Skyliner nonHRM vs Bluesmaster HRM shootout.... can't wait to hear clips from all those awesome amps.

This is going to be great.
:phones

[traviswalk]

I just had my little Skyliner nonHRM vs Bluesmaster HRM shootout.... can't wait to hear clips from all those awesome amps.

This is going to be great.
:phones


That was a good thread, appreciate the time you spent on that!

[sfarnell]

Now I'm curious has anyone talked to Bill or Joe about the possibility of adding reverb to the Type 3????

I wouldn't risk changing the feel of the amp. I use a Demeter Reverbulator with my Type 3 and it sounds as good as the reverb on the CRS. I use it before the amp and in the loop.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/reverbnew.jpg

[SReynolds]

Great News!! I've been looking for a good reverb for my Krinard built ODS. :aok


I wouldn't risk changing the feel of the amp. I use a Demeter Reverbulator with my Type 3 and it sounds as good as the reverb on the CRS. I use it before the amp and in the loop.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/reverbnew.jpg

[Carol-AnnAmps]

Not true. I have a Bluesmaster schematic that was originally drawn up in 2001. To be fair though, at the time, I built the circuit and thought it sounded awful. Go figure.

And yes, of course, I neglected to tell Sean that the OD2 has different iron, tubes, layout, component choices, chassis material, a built in loop, etc., etc. Figured I had made my point already. :)


chris

Awesome, well that shows some folks I'm certainly not in the inner Dumble circle....lol....

Actually I should have worded it 'not that I'm aware of'. That's actually what I meant.

BTW....my point wasn't aimed at you Chris at all, actually it was to add to your point...that an amp is a sum of it's parts, not a specific nomenclature used to describe certain circuit aspects of one designers amp. Personally, I prefer not use terms like HRM, BM...etc etc, it instills a preconceived idea of how something will sound to the mis-informed.

[Mac Daddy 355]

Imho even if you don't crank your dumble style amp , I feel you get the best out of 100 watter configuration for this format , its also true to his original design

[Mike]

150, 50, 44.

Nice little pyramid!

http://www.tonegurus.com/TowerOfPower.jpg

Mike

[phillyred79]

Awesome!! I'm wonder if your Custom Clean is a proto or? I have SN 003.. Man Two Rocks are so pretty to look at!

150, 50, 44.

Nice little pyramid!

http://www.tonegurus.com/TowerOfPower.jpg

Mike

[phillyred79]

Here's my tower (I just wish I had the playing skills to power this tower!!!):
Custom Clean, Custom Reverb Sig. V2 (currently in the emporium for sale!!!), Type 3
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3577/3658986882_541dedc51e.jpg

[Tag]

I wouldn't risk changing the feel of the amp.


I could not agree more. I am a reverb fanatic, but the Type III is perfect in every way for me as is. I can not think of a single thing I would want to change. :dunno Its the only amp I am playing now. Its the ultimate in refinement! :aok:phones

[traviswalk]

The Type III arrived safe and sound and got a solid workout tonight, wow, that is quite an amp! Amazing how the dual rectifiers soften it up. Noticably lower volume right off the bat compared to the Type II, but once you goose the Type III it really comes to life. Also quite a noticable difference in the feel and tone of the clean channels between the Type II and Type III, not sure which one I prefer at the end of tonight. This is going to be a hard decision as to which ones to keep...and that's before the 10th and Bludo arrive!!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2803.jpg

[Tag]

Cool pics Guys!!! Nice stacks!


Here were some of the amps at my shootouts. Not pictured is Brads Bludo and Chis Super 100.

Below is Custom reverb sig V1, Custom 100 watter, Custom 50 watter (Tan tolex. Great amp! Had to keep that one!) Emerald Pro, (The smooth king!), and the E.Pro prototype. (Robben Ford tones that would match the Quinn!)

http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL438/648157/1045889/367963537.jpg



Type 2 and a Custom reverb sigV2


http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL438/648157/1045889/367963534.jpg


Emerald Pro and Glaswerks.


http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL438/648157/1045889/367963531.jpg


Quinn SDO II HRM The Robben Ford Blue line King!


http://pic50.picturetrail.com/VOL438/648157/1045889/367964660.jpg

:banana:banana:banana:banana:banana

[GAT]

Tag, you need to try a Custom Clean, although I don't know if you're emotionally prepared to leave your Brunos behind. ;)

A Custom Clean is a thing of beauty.

[GAT]

The Type III arrived safe and sound and got a solid workout tonight, wow, that is quite an amp! Amazing how the dual rectifiers soften it up. Noticably lower volume right off the bat compared to the Type II, but once you goose the Type III it really comes to life. Also quite a noticable difference in the feel and tone of the clean channels between the Type II and Type III, not sure which one I prefer at the end of tonight. This is going to be a hard decision as to which ones to keep...and that's before the 10th and Bludo arrive!!

I think you'll find the cleans on the 10th to be very good. The lead channel will sound "different" than the others, IMO. The live songs in my sig (Soundclick) are the 10th with a strat and a 335. Lots of "crunchy bite" mixed with the dumble thing. I really like it in a live setting, no getting lost in the mix with a 10th.

[bilbal]

This is one of the coolest pages of pictures on TGP.

Can I play?
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/williamballato/IMG_2953.jpg

[Carol-AnnAmps]

Here I am! :wave Now please show me where I have EVER said ANYTHING like that. You must have me mixed up with someone else.


(EDIT)
Ah wait! unless you think that is what I was talking about with Quinns amp. Not even close. Nothing that simple. Quinn has the Robben Ford tone secret DOWN! :aok DEAD on the money! GO QUINN!!!

Hi Tag....:wave...I apologised in sarcasm for using your term 'secret recipe', nothing else. Actually, I think 'secret sauce' was the correct phrase. GOOOOOO TAG !! :)

[lukeII]

Hey Travis how would you compare the Type III cleans to your trusty Classic reverb?

[traviswalk]

The Type III cleans and the Classic Reverb cleans are similar to my ear right off the bat, I did note that soon after I fired it up. Marginally softer on the Type III, but the overall voicing seemed very similar to me. That is surely not a bad thing because as you mention Luke, I love the Classic Reverb!! The Type III had a very different clean tone and feel compared to the Type II.

When did you leave Paris for Mumbai??

[sfarnell]

The Type III cleans and the Classic Reverb cleans are similar to my ear right off the bat, I did note that soon after I fired it up. Marginally softer on the Type III, but the overall voicing seemed very similar to me. That is surely not a bad thing because as you mention Luke, I love the Classic Reverb!! The Type III had a very different clean tone and feel compared to the Type II.

When did you leave Paris for Mumbai??

I have the Type III and had the Classic Reverb. They both have Fender type cleans. The Type III reminds me more of a BF Pro Reverb and the Classic Reverb has more of a Super Reverb vibe. For a one channel amp the Classic Reverb can get a nice grind going.

I had my Classic Reverb modded for tube rectifiers which really made the feel of the amp quite similar to the feel of the Type III.

Hopefully, this weekend I'll get to borrow the beast that Bill Krinard built and recently loaned to Kimock to use. 150 Watts, 6L6s, and two MusicMan transformers. Do you think I'll be able to hear it in my studio? :eek:

[AY4966]

bilbal- is that an actual dumble?? How do you like that?

Travis- How do the drive channels on the type two and three differ?? And whats your overall opinion on the 10th, id really like to try one sometime?

[Mike]

This is one of the coolest pages of pictures on TGP.

Can I play?
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc178/williamballato/IMG_2953.jpgCool! Can I play some more?

http://www.tonegurus.com/dfest.jpg

http://www.tonegurus.com/bludos.jpg

Mike

[traviswalk]

The 10th Arrives today, so haven't had a chance to dive into that one. In addition to the differences in the clean tone,the drive channels on the Type II and III are also quite different. They both get the best string articulation of any amp or Two-Rock that I've ever played. It is a really cool sound with so much texture it makes you want to cry. The Type III lives up to the 'softer, organic' description you read about, the Type II is quick and hard and loud. You can dial them both into beautiful smooth gain, but the Type III can be turned full tilt on both the Gain and Lead Gain to get a scorcher of a tone that is warmer and rounder than a big Marshall. They get awesome Dumble gain, but the feel is the initial difference to me. Both sounded better to my ears with something in the loop, particularly with a D'Lator-type box running delay/verb. That said, I'd like to back this up with clips and will provide more commentary when I do.

[traviswalk]

Hopefully, this weekend I'll get to borrow the beast that Bill Krinard built and recently loaned to Kimock to use. 150 Watts, 6L6s, and two MusicMan transformers. Do you think I'll be able to hear it in my studio? :eek:

Duuuuude, that's awesome. Would LOVE to hear about that beast.

Are they four 6550s or six 6L6s to get 150 watts?

[scottl]

When are we getting together?? LOL

I have all these new amps here too!!

The 10th Arrives today, so haven't had a chance to dive into that one. In addition to the differences in the clean tone,the drive channels on the Type II and III are also quite different. They both get the best string articulation of any amp or Two-Rock that I've ever played. It is a really cool sound with so much texture it makes you want to cry. The Type III lives up to the 'softer, organic' description you read about, the Type II is quick and hard and loud. You can dial them both into beautiful smooth gain, but the Type III can be turned full tilt on both the Gain and Lead Gain to get a scorcher of a tone that is warmer and rounder than a big Marshall. They get awesome Dumble gain, but the feel is the initial difference to me. Both sounded better to my ears with something in the loop, particularly with a D'Lator-type box running delay/verb. That said, I'd like to back this up with clips and will provide more commentary when I do.

[AY4966]

Can anyone tell me the differences between the sterling sig, the classic reverb and the custom clean?? They all seem pretty similar( all single channel, sss inspired clean amps). Im just wondering how all of them sound different and different from other TRs.

[Tag]

The Type III lives up to the 'softer, organic' description you read about,


That was it in a nutshell for me. After a few months, everything else just sounded harder and more solid state like. The tube rectifiers were another stroke of genius from Bill. Between the Feedback switches, the seperate contour controls, the class A/AB switch and the tube rectifiers, the amp can do almost anything in the Dumble world, but with a better feel IMO. I agree the Type III also sounds better with something in the loop, but I do not find the Dumblator a necesity. Maybe because the T.Rexroomate has in and out controls and acts like a mini dumblator? In any case, the only D style amp I still need to play is the 10th! I would LOVE to try one of those with the tube rectifier option!! The only knock I can find on the type III is that maybe it can be a little too refined for some people. I am really looking forward to your comparison of the Type III and 10th!!!

[Mike]

Can anyone tell me the differences between the sterling sig, the classic reverb and the custom clean?? They all seem pretty similar( all single channel, sss inspired clean amps). Im just wondering how all of them sound different and different from other TRs.Custom Clean is an updated version of the Sterling Sig.

Classic Reverb is the production version of the Mayer Sig., featuring a more Fendery tone stack. The Classic Reverb can be made to break up and do lead gain stuff. The other two are primarily clean platforms with HUGE soundstage and headroom. Especially the 150 watter like the one I have.

Mike

[traviswalk]

Ok, even I have to admit this is pretty cool to try all these at once....looks good too!!

More later...first impressions of the 10th Anniversary are that it is the best of the bunch.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2810.jpg

[bilbal]

bilbal- is that an actual dumble?? How do you like that?

Travis- How do the drive channels on the type two and three differ?? And whats your overall opinion on the 10th, id really like to try one sometime?

No it's not. It is a special Krinard Prototype built in the flavor of one. I have never played through a Dumble so I can't speak to the similarities between the amps and won't pretend to know. I will say that of all the clips I have heard of Dumbles and other's like them, this amp is all I would ever need to satisfy my jonz. In my opinion only, it does a very convincing voice similar to "Please Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" from RF's Handful of Blues. I really dig it.

[bilbal]

Ok, even I have to admit this is pretty cool to try all these at once....looks good too!!

More later...first impressions of the 10th Anniversary are that it is the best of the bunch.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2810.jpg

Todd, between our conversations and the pictures you post you are killing me man!!! Just kiddin' I'm stoked that you are able to treat yourself to these amps. You're a good dude and deserve it. Have loads of fun. I would love to spend an afternoon in that room. Problem is I may end up staying for dinner - you have a guest room, right???? :)

[GAT]

More later...first impressions of the 10th Anniversary are that it is the best of the bunch.
I knew you'd like it! :D

[traviswalk]

So I'm at this big Two-Rock party with a bunch of hot Two-Rocks that I can't decide between:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2813.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2818.jpg


AND THEN IN WALKS THIS SUPER HOT ONE FROM THE 80'S (with no HRM)....

Holy smokes the Bludo is good, wow.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2816.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2817.jpg

[Mike]

OK - now HERE's a guy who knows how to do an evaluation! Cracks me up, great job!

Mike

[Sean French]

So I'm at this big Two-Rock party with a bunch of hot Two-Rocks that I can't decide between:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2813.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2818.jpg


AND THEN IN WALKS THIS SUPER HOT ONE FROM THE 80'S (with no HRM)....

Holy smokes the Bludo is good, wow.

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2816.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2817.jpg



Damn,that's around 40K in amps/cabs pictured.:drool

[phillyred79]

Hi my name is Joe and I love amp porn.

[J.T. Guitar]

Curious about a CA / Bludo comparison...

[Sean French]

Curious about a CA / Bludo comparison...


Not sure the full specs on his Bludo but,mine was 80's Classic(non-HRM)Skyliner with high voltage Music Man style iron.
My OD-2 sitting on a GW 112XL with a EVM12L.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/1957gold/IMG_4152.jpg

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f121/1957gold/IMG_4247.jpg

[jdisaster]

Love this thread!! Thanks for sharing traviswalk, and please continue!! Your collection of amps is, well, good lord!!

[sfarnell]

Since we're sharing amp porn:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/4X10cab002.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/TwoRocks005-1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/002-5.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/Dumble002.jpg

[AY4966]

NICE amps sfarnell. Also the head cabs look amazing in that wood.
Also, how is the dumble (ive always wanted to ask that)?
Does the two rock CRS have a similar vibe?

[Tag]

Since we're sharing amp porn:

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/4X10cab002.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/TwoRocks005-1.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/002-5.jpg
http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g109/sfarnell/Dumble002.jpg

LOVE that Type III wood cab. Damn that is SOOO fine!! :beer

[Tag]

Hey Travis. If you are going to do clips, or even if you are not, if you want, I can drop off my TwoRock Custom to add one more amp for you to try. Of course it would be REALLY cool if you could loan me the 10th anniversary for a day so I can try that one out as well. :drool I am only 30 minutes from short hills. :) I would drop it off and pick it up. If you are not interested, no problems however. :beer

[Mac Daddy 355]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/bduds/Tag-2.jpg

[Mac Daddy 355]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/bduds/B3-1.jpghttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/bduds/MB.jpghttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/bduds/JG.jpg

[Tag]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/bduds/Tag-2.jpg

Hey Brad! That was a fun day. (And Ruffles was with us. :dude) I am sitting in that exact chair, but with my Buscarino in my lap right now. VERY GOOD! We have to get together again!

[Tag]

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/bduds/ChisB.jpghttp://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/bduds/T1.jpg


AHHH! And my old E.Pro! :drool I STUPIDLY sold it to Randy. (Who will not sell it back!:bitch)

And there is Chi's S100 by my fireplace! :aok

[sfarnell]

NICE amps sfarnell. Also the head cabs look amazing in that wood.
Also, how is the dumble (ive always wanted to ask that)?
Does the two rock CRS have a similar vibe?

The Carol Ann, the CRS, and the Classic Reverb have been sold. I still have the Type 3 and the Custom Clean.

A friend loaned me the Dumble. It's a '90s version. Way too aggressive for my tastes. I liked the softer tone of the CRS, a very tame amp.

The ABSOLUTE BEST AMP ON THE PLANET (my favorite, in other words) is the Custom Clean. It's hard to describe how powerful, huge, clear, clean and "bell-like" it is. I may even sell my Type 3 because it's not getting played and I have gas for a guitar.

[NFB]

AHHH! And my old E.Pro! :drool I STUPIDLY sold it to Randy. (Who will not sell it back!:bitch)

And there is Chi's S100 by my fireplace! :aok

Tag,

I do not know what you were thinking when you sold the E-PRO............:huh

[Tag]

Tag,

I do not know what you were thinking when you sold the E-PRO............:huh

Thats easy...I wasn't. :(

[NFB]

Tag,

Not to rub it in.....but here is a pic of my bad boy.

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/Interferon/IMG_8612.jpg (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj231/Interferon/IMG_8612.jpg%5B/IMG%5D)

[traviswalk]

Ok, it was a crazy day here and I'm glad I took it off. In addition to the amps arriving the Mac got here to so I did a quick install and hooked up some mics while I could to get something from the Bludo. I need to edit the time in it better to delete the dead space, but a quick little something of the Bludo with a Les Paul with no FX or pedals going into a Two-Rock 1x12 with a TR 12-65. The Zep at the end shows that the Bludo can crank some good stuff! More tomorrow...I need to sleep! Also a rookie at Soundclick so let me know if it doesn't come through.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7760024

[traviswalk]

Here is a Strat with the Bludo, keeping it clean:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7760074

[Tag]

Here is a Strat with the Bludo, keeping it clean:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7760074


Not bad, now lets hear some TwoRocks!! More bottom end!!! :dude

[dbeeman]

Is that a newish speaker in those clips? Sounds like it might not be broken in yet....


Keep up the good work, let us hear the other amps!!!!

[J.T. Guitar]

Here is a Strat with the Bludo, keeping it clean:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7760074

Could be just the recording, but it doesn't sound very thick. Bludos shine more cranked up and dirty though.

[Tag]

Keep up the good work, let us hear the other amps!!!!

:agree

TwoRock comparison clips!!! 10th vs.Type III!!!!! :banana:banana:banana

[lukeII]

So Travis which one has your favor out of those beauties (me thinks its the Bludo)

I just got a promotion at my company and moved over to Mumbai about a month ago; brought the Classic Reverb out here; makes it feel more like home. Mumbai is a crazy place (the internet doesn't work great hence the delay in responding). If your ever over here drop us a line.

[traviswalk]

Not bad, now lets hear some TwoRocks!! More bottom end!!! :dude

I know, I'll get to the Two Rocks no doubt.

In terms of the Bludo, I intentionally had Brandon dial it back with less bass out of the gate as I wanted this to be front and center when played live and not compete so much with the bass player in low frequencies. It feels like a perfect sit in the mix in person, tonight we have a show and I'll test it out in earnest.

The 12-65 in the 1x12 is a little green. Unfortunately the 2x12 with 12-65s that I use 95% of the time I just replaced with the Austin Speaker Works KTS-70s and they have only been in for 48 hours.

Back to the clips factory...

[traviswalk]

:agree

TwoRock comparison clips!!! 10th vs.Type III!!!!! :banana:banana:banana

I really struggling in the debate between these two. They are both the 50 watt with dual recs, and are just marginally different in the lead channel and the clean channels are both some of the best ever. Perhaps a slight nod to the 10th Anniversary on the cleans because of the reverb in the circuit that is just the bees knees.

More to come, likely post up more clip goodness tomorrow.

[phillyred79]

Interesting to hear your comparison between the leads on each. Most have suggested the lead on the 10th sounds more 'modern' but what the hell does modern sound like? Rockerverb-ish? Cool that they are similar though. My only reason for ever getting the 10th would be because of the reverb. My Hardwire RV-7 has been doing just fine though in the loop of the Type 3.

I really struggling in the debate between these two. They are both the 50 watt with dual recs, and are just marginally different in the lead channel and the clean channels are both some of the best ever. Perhaps a slight nod to the 10th Anniversary on the cleans because of the reverb in the circuit that is just the bees knees.

More to come, likely post up more clip goodness tomorrow.

[Tag]

I really struggling in the debate between these two. They are both the 50 watt with dual recs, and are just marginally different in the lead channel and the clean channels are both some of the best ever. Perhaps a slight nod to the 10th Anniversary on the cleans because of the reverb in the circuit that is just the bees knees.

More to come, likely post up more clip goodness tomorrow.

Come on!!! The name of this thread is TwoRock shootout!! :mad: I WANT TO HEAR THE 10th!! :p;)




Seriously, If you decide to sell the 10th, let me come over and try it first! I may be interested. If its that similar to the type3, it is probably not worth it for me, but only one way to find out! :banana My Custom offer still stands. It is a KILLER amp that you should not miss trying. SMOOOOTH!!!!!

[Sean French]

Unfortunately the 2x12 with 12-65s that I use 95% of the time I just replaced with the Austin Speaker Works KTS-70s and they have only been in for 48 hours.


The ASW don't really need to be broken in IMO.They sound fantastic right out of the box.
I've been beating on my ASW speaker for 6 months and honestly haven't noticed a change.
Ron does an amazing job getting them to sound right as soon as they are installed.

[markom89]

This thread is so awesome.
I wish I could be in that room right now.
Man.
I've been trying to decide which TR to get for a long time so I'm hoping these clips help, as well as your reviews! Also really want to grab a Bludo.
Thanks for doing this.
Oh... more pics!!! :D

[traviswalk]

Oh... more pics!!! :D




Says you are now 'suspended' Marko, hope you can see this as I snapped this for you (and a little for me and for prosperity sake)!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2871.jpg




http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2874.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2937.jpg

[traviswalk]

Ok one more pic, then some errands, and then I'm on clips duty for you gents.

The D'Style stack:

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2959.jpg

[lukeII]

Awesome pics now go forth and make music... especially with that 290

[m3g]

You need more cabs! Very nice.

Says you are now 'suspended' Marko, hope you can see this as I snapped this for you (and a little for me and for prosperity sake)!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2871.jpg




http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2874.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_2937.jpg

[jdisaster]

Hey Traviswalk,

Thanks again for sharing, this thread is fun! If you are so inclined, I would love to hear more about the amps in comparison to each other, strengths, weaknesses, etc.

Like this:

"The Type III cleans and the Classic Reverb cleans are similar to my ear right off the bat, I did note that soon after I fired it up. Marginally softer on the Type III, but the overall voicing seemed very similar to me. That is surely not a bad thing because as you mention Luke, I love the Classic Reverb!! The Type III had a very different clean tone and feel compared to the Type II."

[Tag]

Hey Traviswalk,

Thanks again for sharing, this thread is fun! If you are so inclined, I would love to hear more about the amps in comparison to each other, strengths, weaknesses, etc.

Like this:

"The Type III cleans and the Classic Reverb cleans are similar to my ear right off the bat, I did note that soon after I fired it up. Marginally softer on the Type III, but the overall voicing seemed very similar to me. That is surely not a bad thing because as you mention Luke, I love the Classic Reverb!! The Type III had a very different clean tone and feel compared to the Type II."

How about some clips so we can actually HEAR them ourselves! Lol!

[J.T. Guitar]

This thread is interesting, even if a bit vainglorious. What is the end-game? Is there an end game? He who dies with the most, and most expensive gear wins? Just curious.

[NFB]

This thread is interesting, even if a bit vainglorious. What is the end-game? Is there an end game? He who dies with the most, and most expensive gear wins? Just curious.


It ain't over until the fat lady sings!:crazy

[GAT]

This thread is interesting, even if a bit vainglorious. What is the end-game? Is there an end game? He who dies with the most, and most expensive gear wins? Just curious.

Nah, just a guy that wants to try all the best amps out there, then pick the ones that fit what he wants to achieve. I've done it several times myself. There is never an end game!

At one time I had several Two Rocks, Marshalls, Brunos, 65 Amps, Sewells, Komets, you name it. Now I'm down to one Two Rock, an Orangutang, a Swart, a Headstrong and my old Ampeg. Freaks me out to have so few, but in reality, they are all I need.

[sfarnell]

Now I'm down to one Two Rock, an Orangutang, a Swart, a Headstrong and my old Ampeg. Freaks me out to have so few, but in reality, they are all I need.

You sold your Custom Clean? Say it ain't so. :Spank

[GAT]

You sold your Custom Clean? Say it ain't so. :Spank

Yeah, I traded it toward a Guftavsson and I'm very happy with the 10th's cleans.

[Steve Snider]

Yeah, I traded it toward a Guftavsson and I'm very happy with the 10th's cleans.

I had the 100 watt 10th and 100 watt custom clean at the same time and I think the 10th cleans are very similar though not quite as tweakable but man are they good.

[J.T. Guitar]

Nah, just a guy that wants to try all the best amps out there, then pick the ones that fit what he wants to achieve. I've done it several times myself. There is never an end game!

At one time I had several Two Rocks, Marshalls, Brunos, 65 Amps, Sewells, Komets, you name it. Now I'm down to one Two Rock, an Orangutang, a Swart, a Headstrong and my old Ampeg. Freaks me out to have so few, but in reality, they are all I need.

Agreed... and I believe you and I have been through a lot of the same amps along the way. ;)

It should be interesting to see which one winds up on top. For me it is the CA OD-2... stellar. All of the Two-Rocks I've had, have been just to squishy for me when I play live. But man, do they sound great.

Sorry if I offended anyone with the "vainglorious" comment. I too am blessed enough to own several amazing pieces of equipment. I am all about the rewards of capitalism, and applaud it. However, with a 10% (and ever growing) unemployment rate, I just choose not to gasconade.

I also know players out there who play circles around every one of us (and do so nightly) with $199.00 Guitar Denter Specials.

Isn't music a grand pastime!

[* velcro-fly *]

Wow..killer lineup of amps there.

Played my first Two Rock today in fact. It was a Type II like yours. I get it now, that thing rocked if needed. Had it next to my Carol Ann OD2-100 it it was pretty nice. I need to say that my little ol' Aiken Intruder that was there with them more than held its own in the quality of tone dept ;)

but yeah, Two Rock Type II - awesome.

[peterdjp]

How about some clips so we can actually HEAR them ourselves! Lol!

:agree


:clips

[parker]

Such a beautiful sight, Love it!! Clips would be nice..

[Steve Snider]

Such a beautiful sight, Love it!! Clips would be nice..
Agreed! What a killer lineup!!! Awesome!!!!

[les]

OMG!

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one with OCD
(Obsessive Compulsive Dumble Disorder)!

Dude, that is an incredible amp line up!

You need to add some more bludo's and glaswerks and then you are good to go! - LOL!

[GAT]

I had the 100 watt 10th and 100 watt custom clean at the same time and I think the 10th cleans are very similar though not quite as tweakable but man are they good.

I agree, the CC can be tweaked a bit more, it is only one channel. However, I used the 10th at a gig as the only amp and I could get all my tones with just that amp so I decided I really didn't need the CC. I use the Orangutang now as my heavier lead amp and the 10th as the clean/Dumble lead amp. Works great live. That's why I sold off so many amps, I just love the 10th and the Orangutang. I'm done buying amps..........



except for the 3 Monkeys Grease Monkey!:messedup

[traviswalk]

Yes, vainglorious and all adjectives in between. The main reason for the madness is that I simply wanted to try things myself instead of second hand through other's ears. It's crazy, boastful and all other arrogant describers, but relative to guys that shell out $$ for pricey golf clubs and exotic cars it's not too exorbitant. That said, I'm going to start peeling some of these off and whitling down.

Weekend got away from me and I didn't get a chance to commit to the clips like I wanted to yesterday. Hopefully some tonight and tomorrow and then the fam is back Wednesday so time turn down again! This was a quick clip of the Type II and a Les Paul:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7767862


More to follow...

[BudLite]

Travis, You don't have to explain yourself, JT might be a bit jealous.
Great Pic's

[reddgeetarzan]

Yes, vainglorious and all adjectives in between. The main reason for the madness is that I simply wanted to try things myself instead of second hand through other's ears. It's crazy, boastful and all other arrogant describers, but relative to guys that shell out $$ for pricey golf clubs and exotic cars it's not too exorbitant. That said, I'm going to start peeling some of these off and whitling down.

Weekend got away from me and I didn't get a chance to commit to the clips like I wanted to yesterday. Hopefully some tonight and tomorrow and then the fam is back Wednesday so time turn down again! This was a quick clip of the Type II and a Les Paul:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7767862



More to follow...

Very nice! What speaker cab/speakers are you using? Anything in the loop or front end?? Sounds great- I like what I'm hearing.

[traviswalk]

Very nice! What speaker cab/speakers are you using? Anything in the loop or front end?? Sounds great- I like what I'm hearing.

Thanks, aimless noodling. Trying to get settings, etc. This was the Type II into a 2x12 with Austin Speaker Works KTS-70s. Nothing in the loop, nothing in front in terms of pedals, straight into Pro Tools. Dual mic'd with a 421 right on the cab and a condenser about 10 feet back for some room feel. It's amazing how loud the 50 watt Type II is when I recorded that!

[J.T. Guitar]

Travis, You don't have to explain yourself, JT might be a bit jealous.
Great Pic's

Hardly jealous BL... (PM me if you are that interested in my current gear list.) Just curious about what the goal is for TW.

I know a guy who is very well off. He sends his "assistants" to buy guitars and amps weekly... the good stuff. But, he hardly plays at all. I'm all for it if that is what you like.

I wanted to know if TW is looking for a gigging or recording amp, or whether he just wants a stellar collection... which he obviously has. I think it's great. FWIW- TW, I am happy that you are propitious and are sharing your experience with us on TGP.

As someone that is blessed with the ability to own more gear than I need, I also know that self-indulgence sometimes makes others feel bad. I just personally don't choose to go there. To each his own.

[Tag]

This was a quick clip of the Type II and a Les Paul:

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7767862


More to follow...

Thanks! Sounds pretty good too!

If there is anyway possible, if you could set the amps up for similar gain and volume, and then just unplug from one and plug right into the other, and play the same chord sequence and licks, that would be AWESOME. It would probably only take you 15 minutes, and you could at least give direct samplings of all the amps. Of course they are your amps, and you can do what you please. :D It would be ultra cool though, and would be the perfect clips for a twoRock shootout thread! :dude

[traviswalk]

Thanks! Sounds pretty good too!

If there is anyway possible, if you could set the amps up for similar gain and volume, and then just unplug from one and plug right into the other, and play the same chord sequence and licks, that would be AWESOME. It would probably only take you 15 minutes, and you could at least give direct samplings of all the amps. Of course they are your amps, and you can do what you please. :D It would be ultra cool though, and would be the perfect clips for a twoRock shootout thread! :dude

Thanks Tag, you set the bar for the comparos in my book! Agreed, that's what I will try to do. I can definitely do that between the Type III and 10th as they are similar in gain and volume, but I'm telling you, this Type II just has awesome volume!

[riffmeister]

Yes, vainglorious and all adjectives in between. The main reason for the madness is that I simply wanted to try things myself instead of second hand through other's ears. It's crazy, boastful and all other arrogant describers, but relative to guys that shell out $$ for pricey golf clubs and exotic cars it's not too exorbitant. That said, I'm going to start peeling some of these off and whitling down.

Great way to do it as long as you've got the funds. I'd also suggest "living with them all" for a while before peeling them off. It's funny how the same amp can sound different to you at different times, hang onto them until you're certain which are the keepers.

[traviswalk]

Just curious about what the goal is for TW.

I wanted to know if TW is looking for a gigging or recording amp, or whether he just wants a stellar collection... which he obviously has. I think it's great. FWIW- TW, I am happy that you are propitious and are sharing your experience with us on TGP.

As someone that is blessed with the ability to own more gear than I need, I also know that self-indulgence sometimes makes others feel bad. I just personally don't choose to go there. To each his own.

It was all taken in the right way by me JT, no worries from my camp. Hell, I've even bought gear from you before! I know this is a bit indulgent and surely didn't mean to make anyone feel bad. I just know there is a group of folks here who appreciate this stuff and appreciate to see them all under one roof.

My main goal is just to hear these awesome amps myself, that's all. My main gigging amp is still the Classic Reverb, although I brought the Bludo out this weekend and LOVED it (for another thread...). With the new Pro Tools set up that I got along with my drummer, I hope to print more stuff to tape (disc). I'll keep the amps that fit with me and try not to lose too much in the sale of them later. But if I do lose some $$, it was money well worth answering the lingering questiong in my mind of "man, would love to try a Type III..." There haven't been too many makers where I've felt the need to try them all, but for some reason the Two-Rocks suck me in like a tractor beam and I needed to scratch that itch.

[traviswalk]

Great way to do it as long as you've got the funds. I'd also suggest "living with them all" for a while before peeling them off. It's funny how the same amp can sound different to you at different times, hang onto them until you're certain which are the keepers.

That's a very good point, which is why I think the Type II will hang around for the near future, I keep discovering good stuff with that one. The Type III and 10th Anniv. are too similar to keep both.

[Tag]

There haven't been too many makers where I've felt the need to try them all, but for some reason the Two-Rocks suck me in like a tractor beam and I needed to scratch that itch.


You are doing exactly what I did, but I bought them all used! TwoRocks are just "it" for me. I love the Ultra refinement. Again, keep me in mind with the 10th if you decide to sell it, and you should REALLY check out my Custom. I will lend it to you regardless of the 10th, so just let me know if you want to check it out. I could just drop it off for a week or so. It will easily hang with anything you have, and you may even like it the most. (It is another very refined amp though, and if you really dig the Bludo and type2, it may not be up your alley.)

[Mark Kane]

Great way to do it as long as you've got the funds. I'd also suggest "living with them all" for a while before peeling them off. It's funny how the same amp can sound different to you at different times, hang onto them until you're certain which are the keepers.


to ad to this, I believe that you miss some great opportunites by forming and sticking to instant opinions based on setting every thing to 12 o'clock or whatever your lucky numbers are and then moving on. Expecially with these amp types as they are fairly complicated and infinately tweakable. I always take an approach with a new amp as if it's the only one I can have. I then do everything I can to and with it to make it sound and feel like I want it to. I've had some really cool revalations doing this and have had several amps rise to the top that I wouldn't have given a second thought to if I'd played them in a store. An example would be ScottL's often referencing the use of the loop box and it's effect on the overall sound of the amp. Of course you don't have to do this and lots and lots of amps sound fine without the box but, it's also possible that the right amp with the right tweaks and the box could be the best sound you ever heard. But, you'll never know this if you don't spend the time to look.

[traviswalk]

to ad to this, I believe that you miss some great opportunites by forming and sticking to instant opinions based on setting every thing to 12 o'clock or whatever your lucky numbers are and then moving on. Expecially with these amp types as they are fairly complicated and infinately tweakable. I always take an approach with a new amp as if it's the only one I can have. I then do everything I can to and with it to make it sound and feel like I want it to. I've had some really cool revalations doing this and have had several amps rise to the top that I wouldn't have given a second thought to if I'd played them in a store. An example would be ScottL's often referencing the use of the loop box and it's effect on the overall sound of the amp. Of course you don't have to do this and lots and lots of amps sound fine without the box but, it's also possible that the right amp with the right tweaks and the box could be the best sound you ever heard. But, you'll never know this if you don't spend the time to look.

I agree with you Mark, these amps in particular have seemingly infinite tweakability! My worst example is my Opal that I really liked, then decided to sell, and found my absolutely FAVORITE setting days before I shipped it! Doh! I knew I liked the 10th Anniversary/Type III right off the bat, just no need to keep them both. If I had to choose I'd probably keep the 10th over the Type II, but the Type II keeps showing me good things everytime I play it. And I love the raw volume with the Type II, I honestly think the 50 watts on the Type II rivals the 100 watts in the Bludo!!

[traviswalk]

You are doing exactly what I did, but I bought them all used! TwoRocks are just "it" for me. I love the Ultra refinement. Again, keep me in mind with the 10th if you decide to sell it, and you should REALLY check out my Custom. I will lend it to you regardless of the 10th, so just let me know if you want to check it out. I could just drop it off for a week or so. It will easily hang with anything you have, and you may even like it the most. (It is another very refined amp though, and if you really dig the Bludo and type2, it may not be up your alley.)

Appreciate that Tag, very good of you. We'll defiinitely be in touch!

[GAT]

I'm glad you have confirmed what I've been told about the Type III, that the 10th is very similar. I'm keeping my 10th because it's the one Two Rock that sounds like what I want to hear.

[goldtele]

Travis your my hero!!! How do the cleans on the 10th & Type III compare to your Sterling Sig. & Classic Reverb? BTW thanks for on the help picking out my CC I love it!!

[traviswalk]

While the cleans on the 10th and Type III are stellar, they don't have the weight and heft that I get with the Sterling. On the Sterling (as with a CC), I love the high and low cut switches to get a big, hearty clean that just plows through a 2x12 with EVM-12Ls....man that is an awesome tone. I'm curious to record that amp and see what comes across on tape, because in person it just pushes you back with clean volume.

[J.T. Guitar]

It was all taken in the right way by me JT, no worries from my camp. Hell, I've even bought gear from you before! I know this is a bit indulgent and surely didn't mean to make anyone feel bad. I just know there is a group of folks here who appreciate this stuff and appreciate to see them all under one roof.

My main goal is just to hear these awesome amps myself, that's all. My main gigging amp is still the Classic Reverb, although I brought the Bludo out this weekend and LOVED it (for another thread...). With the new Pro Tools set up that I got along with my drummer, I hope to print more stuff to tape (disc). I'll keep the amps that fit with me and try not to lose too much in the sale of them later. But if I do lose some $$, it was money well worth answering the lingering questiong in my mind of "man, would love to try a Type III..." There haven't been too many makers where I've felt the need to try them all, but for some reason the Two-Rocks suck me in like a tractor beam and I needed to scratch that itch.

:beer
All good here... I'm just pissed I don't have more airline miles... You'd be having a holiday weekend visitor!

I misplaced your phone #, can you PM it to me again? I want to hear the down and dirty on the Anniversary amp. Best!

[lukeII]

Travis,

Love the Type II clips you did...fantastic edge of breakup tones. Its nice to hear somebody showcase what TRs can do aside from aping Dumble tones (Robben Ford and the like). No offense to those who do that (to each his own) but IMHO TRs are such great amps because there are so many styles and great tones you can play with them. That is what makes the right TR worth the money to me. I can't imagine not having my classic reverb and I know sometime in the future I will pick up another TR.

Can't wait to hear your 10th anniversary or type III clips

[jdisaster]

"If there is anyway possible, if you could set the amps up for similar gain and volume, and then just unplug from one and plug right into the other, and play the same chord sequence and licks, that would be AWESOME. It would probably only take you 15 minutes, and you could at least give direct samplings of all the amps. Of course they are your amps, and you can do what you please. :D It would be ultra cool though, and would be the perfect clips for a twoRock shootout thread!" :dude[/QUOTE]

Yes! It would be great to hear the same thing with clean tones too.

[scottl]

Todd,

The Type II has much less negative feedback on the poweramp than the other Two Rock models. It is basically a Marshall style PI/presence/NFB circuit. With the values used, it has several db more gain in the poweramp than the standard Dumble PI/presence/NFB setup.

The 50 watt Bluesmaster style amps are a little louder than 100 watt standard Dumbles as a result. My Bludo Bluesmaster is a 100 watter! That is real loud. It is also smoother than any 50 watt Bluesmaster variant. One of my Glaswerks is exactly the same circuit as my Bludo, except it is a 50 watter. The Bludo is smoother due to the increased NFB from having more voltage on the NFB tap. I think a 100 watt Type 2 would sound better than a 50 watter.... Although I admit that I greatly prefer all my 100 watters regardless of circuit.

[csanford]

The Type II has much less negative feedback on the poweramp than the other Two Rock models.

True, but not the whole story. :) The T2 has switchable feedback levels, so you can go with less or more, depending on what you like. Now my own personal amp was shipped with FB resistor values that ended up making 2 of the three positions the same, but mine is an early example, and I suspect that they've since fixed that.

chris

[scottl]

Yep... I thought that was wierd when you told about that switch! None the less, my Glaswerks SOD50 has a switch I added that changes from a 100K to a 75K feedback resistor. I prefer it in the 100K setting. But, the 100 watter is still smoother and girthier.

True, but not the whole story. :) The T2 has switchable feedback levels, so you can go with less or more, depending on what you like. Now my own personal amp was shipped with FB resistor values that ended up making 2 of the three positions the same, but mine is an early example, and I suspect that they've since fixed that.

chris

[Randy]

Travis, could you possibly give a comparison between the gain channels of the Type II and Type III, both for lead playing and for gainy chords?

[Tag]

True, but not the whole story. :) The T2 has switchable feedback levels, so you can go with less or more, depending on what you like.
chris


There was a 3 position feedback switch on both the preamp and power amp on the one I had. I have liked 50 watts more than 100 on every D style amp I have played. As usual, Scott and I hear things very differently. I hear 100s as slightly punchier but also brassier. 50s I hear as smoother and sweeter.

[csanford]

There was a 3 position feedback switch on both the preamp and power amp on the one I had. I have liked 50 watts more than 100 on every D style amp I have played. As usual, Scott and I hear things very differently. I hear 100s as slightly punchier but also brassier. 50s I hear as smoother and sweeter.

Tag,

When you had the T2, do you recall hearing a difference between the 'up' and 'down' positions of the *power-amp* feedback switch?

I know it's been a while...

Thanks!

chris

[* velcro-fly *]

Tag,

When you had the T2, do you recall hearing a difference between the 'up' and 'down' positions of the *power-amp* feedback switch?

I know it's been a while...

Thanks!

chris

I recall that yours sounded pretty kick ass yesterday ;) nice introduction to Two Rock stuff.

Steve E

[Tag]

Tag,

When you had the T2, do you recall hearing a difference between the 'up' and 'down' positions of the *power-amp* feedback switch?

I know it's been a while...

Thanks!

chris

I remember going through all the settings, and liked different ones for different things. I do not remember "not" hearing a difference between settings, and I think I would have remembered that. I can not say with 100% certainty however.

[csanford]

I recall that yours sounded pretty kick ass yesterday ;) nice introduction to Two Rock stuff.

Steve E

Well, thanks.. your amps sounded pretty good too (sigh)! :)

chris

[csanford]

I remember going through all the settings, and liked different ones for different things. I do not remember "not" hearing a difference between settings, and I think I would have remembered that. I can not say with 100% certainty however.

Ok, thanks! Maybe the OP can chime in on this?

chris

[sfarnell]

I'm glad you have confirmed what I've been told about the Type III, that the 10th is very similar. I'm keeping my 10th because it's the one Two Rock that sounds like what I want to hear.


I haven't played a 10th Anniversary with tube rectifiers but the one with a SS rectifier sounded and felt way different than the Type 3 to me. Stiffer and more modern sounding than an old saggy Fender. :D

TW, you may want to live with each amp for awhile before you sell one or the other.

[traviswalk]

Ok, here are some comparo clips. In each on the Type III is first and the 10th Anniversary second trying to play roughly the same stuff through the same 2x12 cab with ASW KTS-70s. Nothing in the loops, nothing in front, just the two mics into Pro Tools. Les Paul is a stock R9 and Strat is a stock '65 Custom Shop.

Clean Strat (no FET Gain, Clean Gain and Masters at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771544

Clean Strat w/ Funk (FET Gain at noon, Clean Gain and Masters at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771543

Dirt Strat (FET at noon, Lead on w/ Lead Gain, Gain and Lead Master at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771542

Clean Les Paul (Clean channel, no FET, gain and master at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771547

Dirt Les Paul (Clean Channel, FET engaged, Gain and Master at noon)

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771545

Crunch Les Paul (Lead Channel, FET engaged at noon, Lead Gain, Gain and Master at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771546

[Tag]

Ok, here are some comparo clips. In each on the Type III is first and the 10th Anniversary second trying to play roughly the same stuff through the same 2x12 cab with ASW KTS-70s. Nothing in the loops, nothing in front, just the two mics into Pro Tools. Les Paul is a stock R9 and Strat is a stock '65 Custom Shop.

Clean Strat (no FET Gain, Clean Gain and Masters at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771544

Clean Strat w/ Funk (FET Gain at noon, Clean Gain and Masters at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771543

Dirt Strat (FET at noon, Lead on w/ Lead Gain, Gain and Lead Master at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771542

Clean Les Paul (Clean channel, no FET, gain and master at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771547

Dirt Les Paul (Clean Channel, FET engaged, Gain and Master at noon)

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771545

Crunch Les Paul (Lead Channel, FET engaged at noon, Lead Gain, Gain and Master at noon):

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=7771546

UUGHHH!!!! TERRIBLE!!! The FET is HORRID!!! Solid state city! I never ever ever use it!!! I had my Type 3s footswitch FET button changed to activate the mid boost. PLEASE do some more drive clips with OUT the Fet!!! That sounds like an MXR distortion box. OUCH!! The cleans with no FET sound great though on both amps!!! VERY similar.

[Presc]

Like the Type III better on all 3 Strat clips - the Type III was warmer and fatter than the 10th on the clean clips, and when it came to the dirty chording, the 10th sounded muddier.

Again on the cleans I leaned in favor of the Type III with the cleans on the Les Paul. I didn't really like either of the dirty Les Paul clips, sounded really fizzy. "Dirty" clip sounded about the same to me, again on the "Crunch" clip the 10th sounded muddier so I preferred the Type III.

Nice group of amps and thanks for the clips.

[GAT]

Like the Type III better on all 3 Strat clips - the Type III was warmer and fatter than the 10th on the clean clips, and when it came to the dirty chording, the 10th sounded muddier.

Again on the cleans I leaned in favor of the Type III with the cleans on the Les Paul. I didn't really like either of the dirty Les Paul clips, sounded really fizzy. "Dirty" clip sounded about the same to me, again on the "Crunch" clip the 10th sounded muddier so I preferred the Type III.

Nice group of amps and thanks for the clips.

Check out the live clips (Shame Shame and Society) in my sig, those are a ES335 and a strat through the 10th at live volumes. No fizz whatsoever.

[Presc]

Check out the live clips (Shame Shame and Society) in my sig, those are a ES335 and a strat through the 10th at live volumes. No fizz whatsoever.

Clips sound good, I agree, no fizz there :aok

I wasn't meaning to generalize that all TRs or those models are fizzy - just calling those particular clips as I heard them. Given they are fairly complex amps with a number of possible settings I am sure a wide range of sounds are possible from them. And there's always a lot of variation between rooms, players, mics, etc. If anything is certain in recording at least from my experiences, it never sounds the same in the clip as it did in the room when you were playing it!

[GAT]

Clips sound good, I agree, no fizz there :aok

I wasn't meaning to generalize that all TRs or those models are fizzy - just calling those particular clips as I heard them. Given they are fairly complex amps with a number of possible settings I am sure a wide range of sounds are possible from them. And there's always a lot of variation between rooms, players, mics, etc.

Understood, just wanted to show the amp in a live situation.

[dr.morton]

IMO the Type II clip impressed me the most.

[traviswalk]

I'm a little disappointed in how the clips came out to be honest, I don't know if I need to work on mic'ing technique or what because both of these amps sound AWESOME in person and you would want to keep each if you heard them individually. And there were some hot signals the clip at points, that's my fault for riding too hot.

[reddgeetarzan]

I'm glad you have confirmed what I've been told about the Type III, that the 10th is very similar. I'm keeping my 10th because it's the one Two Rock that sounds like what I want to hear.

Your 10th and the Type III they are referencing are slightly different beasts- the 50 watters (Type 3 and 10th) are in the same ball park, but there is some different magic goin' on with the 10th 100 watters for sure. Some folks dig that tube rectification, personally, I dig the stiffer feel of the 100 watter without it. I guess it all depends on what you're going for- with your gig, Gil, you need something a bit more versatile, and to my ears, the 50w tube rectified amps, as good as they sound, give something up in trade for the harmonic "squishiness" they give in return.....and I think we have similar ideas on "our" tone.

[reddgeetarzan]

I'm a little disappointed in how the clips came out to be honest, I don't know if I need to work on mic'ing technique or what because both of these amps sound AWESOME in person and you would want to keep each if you heard them individually. And there were some hot signals the clip at points, that's my fault for riding too hot.

Its all a learning experience, right??? Come back to it another day......we all SERIOUSLY appreciate your efforts- most of us have been there.....or are there right now!!! Give it some time- I think recording these things takes as much or more time as tweaking the amps themselves!!!
Thanks again for this- it is invaluable to those of us who are interested.

[J.T. Guitar]

I think they sounded fine... Musicians are always their own worst critics. I liked the 10th.

[Bigtone]

Traviswalk, if you get a chance to do it again, as your placing your mic,
play a little at the same time, as you play ,move the mic while the notes ring,
you will find a sweet spot easier this way,

Massive differences, even a 1/2 inch can bring, the angle of the mic also plays a role.

Thanx for your efforts also,

Clips here...http://soundclick.com/Belltone

Bigtone

[Tag]

Travis, sorry to be so harsh, but I call them as I hear them as well. The Bludo and Tyoe2 recordinges were fine, so its not mic placement. The clean clips no FET sounded great. Its the damn FET. Thats exactly how mine sounds with in on as well. IMO, it sucks, and is only good for really high gain situations. It sounds solid state and buzzy, because it IS solid state. Just leave it off and get the gain you want with the gain knobs! Please do more, as I know how great the type III is! :banana

[traviswalk]

Travis, sorry to be so harsh, but I call them as I hear them as well. The Bludo and Tyoe2 recordinges were fine, so its not mic placement. The clean clips no FET sounded great. Its the damn FET. Thats exactly how mine sounds with in on as well. IMO, it sucks, and is only good for really high gain situations. It sounds solid state and buzzy, because it IS solid state. Just leave it off and get the gain you want with the gain knobs! Please do more, as I know how great the type III is! :banana

I know you weren't being harsh and appreciate the frankness! I will turn off the FET and do some again.

[reddgeetarzan]

I found this to be true when using a TR with a pair of ASW's- they get a little fizzy in the high end- I would highly recommend mixing it with a Scumback HP65LDC-75hz or just a HP65/75hz- you'll like what you hear.


Like the Type III better on all 3 Strat clips - the Type III was warmer and fatter than the 10th on the clean clips, and when it came to the dirty chording, the 10th sounded muddier.

Again on the cleans I leaned in favor of the Type III with the cleans on the Les Paul. I didn't really like either of the dirty Les Paul clips, sounded really fizzy. "Dirty" clip sounded about the same to me, again on the "Crunch" clip the 10th sounded muddier so I preferred the Type III.

Nice group of amps and thanks for the clips.

[reddgeetarzan]

I'm a little disappointed in how the clips came out to be honest, I don't know if I need to work on mic'ing technique or what because both of these amps sound AWESOME in person and you would want to keep each if you heard them individually. And there were some hot signals the clip at points, that's my fault for riding too hot.

Sounds to me like I'm not hearing the close mic- only the room mic.

Also, its important to note these are 50 watters, right?? GAT's clips are of a 100 watter, this might make a slight difference in tone, plus stage volume makes ALL the difference.

Another thing- the 10th sounds really good thru the 10th cab and speakers.........might have something to do with it too.

Its kinda apples and oranges when you do comparisons with the same settings and the same speaker setups- each of these amps really reacts to different tweaks and different speaker setups, as well as different volume levels......its not really a fair comparison when you set everything the same- these have to be tested in a real world situation (at least some of us, its on stage or stage volumes), or you're just not getting the full benefit of what the amps are truly capable of. Then you get into how each of us perceive those differences and what each of us actually expects from the amp........its a tall order for sure!!!

Good luck with it- try getting that close mic a bit hotter and maybe a different position for the room mic?? Great work thus far- it is appreciated!!!

[Presc]

Some folks dig that tube rectification, personally, I dig the stiffer feel of the 100 watter without it. I guess it all depends on what you're going for- with your gig, Gil, you need something a bit more versatile, and to my ears, the 50w tube rectified amps, as good as they sound, give something up in trade for the harmonic "squishiness" they give in return.....and I think we have similar ideas on "our" tone.

Definitely - I come from the Fender camp (play a Deluxe Reverb) and like the squishy, bouncy tone. I don't like overly tight or stiff amps. So no surprise that I liked the Type III more!

Just to clarify I hope I didn't come off overly critical - I liked the clean clips of both and really appreciate the effort you are going through to put this together!

[reddgeetarzan]

I know you weren't being harsh and appreciate the frankness! I will turn off the FET and do some again.


The FET is useful as a lead gain at stage volumes- it does and will sound "fizzy" at lower volumes, but works great as a lead boost when you get these amps cookin'!!!

[reddgeetarzan]

Definitely - I come from the Fender camp (play a Deluxe Reverb) and like the squishy, bouncy tone. I don't like overly tight or stiff amps. So no surprise that I liked the Type III more!

Just to clarify I hope I didn't come off overly critical - I liked the clean clips of both and really appreciate the effort you are going through to put this together!

Yep, this is exactly why these comparisons are so difficult to do. Inevitably, they will be praised by some and criticized by others as they don't meet the requirements of each individuals ears......but man, this stuff is FUN!!!

[reddgeetarzan]

Definitely - I come from the Fender camp (play a Deluxe Reverb) and like the squishy, bouncy tone. I don't like overly tight or stiff amps. So no surprise that I liked the Type III more!

Just to clarify I hope I didn't come off overly critical - I liked the clean clips of both and really appreciate the effort you are going through to put this together!

I don't think you're being overly critical- this is about each of our opinions on this, right?? You likes what you likes!!!

I love the old Fender stuff- I can get into that territory with speaker choices on the TR stuff, for the most part- the mix of a Scummie and an ASW is sublime.....you get the tightness and the looseness all in one! Its hard to explain, but I like a tight amp and a loose speaker box (insert analogies here!), if that makes sense. I get the best of both worlds....especially when you get these babies SMOKIN'!!! :bong

[jdisaster]

Yeah thanks again Travis. From the clips, I also liked the Type III by a wide margin. I'm curious to hear if TAG is right about the FET. Makes me wonder about my Classic Reverb, cuz some days I love it, some days I think it could be better somehow. Hard to put my finger on it, but "solid state sounding" fits the description. I wonder....FET....practice volume...hmmm...good tip TAG, thanks!

[phillyred79]

Thanks for the clips TW!! I think they both sounded great. IMHO: The biggest differences I'm hearing are with the Strats- The 10th seems to have a little more presence with focus on slightly brighter high freqs while the Type 3 sounds a little more boomier/warmer. I think for an all out winner as to cleans I would give the nod to the 10th. Crunch/Lead stuff is very very close to my ears between the two. I dare say the 10th is voiced a little more modern/gainy. I can't decide on which is better to my ears. I think either way, the amps are similarly voiced to a degree and I would imagine considering they were EQ'd the same I bet you could get them to sound even closer to each other with just a little fiddling.

The question of the day for you TW is what do you hear/feel and ultimately as of right now which do you prefer and why?

[reddgeetarzan]

The way you have these amps set up for strats vs. LP's will make a HUGE difference too- input gain on the amp and the contour will play a massive role in the tones you get from guitar to guitar. Does anyone keep their amp at the exact same settings when going from a Strat to a Les Paul??? For the most part, I seriously doubt it, so from that point, the comparisons are going to be inherently flawed to a degree....

I would suggest getting the best possible tone out of each amp, optimized for each guitar and maybe explaining what exactly is the tone you're going for- maybe give an example of that tone.

[traviswalk]

I would suggest getting the best possible tone out of each amp, optimized for each guitar and maybe explaining what exactly is the tone you're going for- maybe give an example of that tone.

That's actually what I was going to shoot for tonight, get what I think is the strong tone out of each vs. the 'set at noon on each and let it ride'. In person, I prefer the 10th vs. the Type III, the gain is easier to dial in and I will agree at the higher gain the Type III is a bit more 'modern' and smoother.

The 10th does an interesting thing on the cleans, if you crank the (clean)Master on the Type III on the clean channel it will begin to distort and get a nice crunch accompanied by some high, high volume. If you dime the (clean) Master on the 10th it reacts almost like a Custom Clean/Sterling Sig where it just delivers volume to a point without being taken over by the crunch, a very cool effect that delivers the great clean at loud volumes. It wasn't an unbearably loud clean volume like the Sterling can get to, perhaps that is due to the 50 watts, but it sounded really nice and brought in more power tube character.

[ohshait]

The Type III cleans are the shit! Am I the only one that digs the FET with a strat? Any way a CRS can get in that ballpark? Thanks so much for doing clips.

[phillyred79]

I enjoy the use of the FET as well. Works wonders to push the amp harder. The only way a CRS can get in the ballpark is to dial up the gain a lot on the clean channel, toggle the mids, and engage the bypass.
The Type III cleans are the shit! Am I the only one that digs the FET with a strat? Any way a CRS can get in that ballpark? Thanks so much for doing clips.

[ohshait]

I enjoy the use of the FET as well. Works wonders to push the amp harder. The only way a CRS can get in the ballpark is to dial up the gain a lot on the clean channel, toggle the mids, and engage the bypass.

How would you describe the cleans of the CRS v2 to the Type III besides the feel? Sorry for the questions I'm debating on buying a Type III or a CRS.

[phillyred79]

I play mainly strats/teles, but with everything EQ'd the same between the two and switching back and forth to my ears the CRS has more high end sparkle and feels stiffer. The Type 3 is bouncier, warmer and I would say has more clean headroom overall. The reverb on the CRS is very nice though too!
How would you describe the cleans of the CRS v2 to the Type III besides the feel? Sorry for the questions I'm debating on buying a Type III or a CRS.

[ohshait]

Thanks a lot phillyred I appreciate it. Im using a strat and 335 and love sparkle!

[Tag]

How would you describe the cleans of the CRS v2 to the Type III besides the feel? Sorry for the questions I'm debating on buying a Type III or a CRS.

Here are clips of the Type III, Custom and Custom Sig1 if it will help. Did not do the cleans on the sig or Custom sorry! The Type 3 is more Scooped than the Sigs to my ear. Look forward to hearing Travis's take on them! No FET on in any of the clips!

Type III http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=121826&content=videos&vidID=77276

Custom and SigV1 http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=121826&content=videos&vidID=80760

[ohshait]

Thanks Tag, love the clips that you do. What didnt you like about the CRS?

[Tag]

Thanks Tag, love the clips that you do. What didnt you like about the CRS?

Thanks. I did not dig my Sig V2 as much as the V1. The V1 I did not dig as much as the plain old Custom. I still have the Custom, Type 3, and am looking to get another E.Pro. Those are my favorite 3 twoRocks. I have not played a 10th yet however, but for my style, Bill recommended the TypeIII. Thats why I went with it instead of a 10th. I like the smoother, more refined tones. Bill told me the 10th was slightly more aggresive, which is what everyone else seems to be saying as well. The clips sound very similar to me though.

[lukeII]

I liked the Type III better on all clips. Granted the clips didn't deliver optimum tone out of the amp (unless you are great with micing amps that's a hard task for a mortal TGPier) but from what I heard the Type III is livlier and less compressed on the clean tones and the dirty tones sounded more natural and less compressed out of the Type III whereas the 10th anniversary tones sounded more percussive and bold and bought a harsher mid frequency.

[sfarnell]

Thanks for the clips. It's hard to tell because I don't think the eq settings were optimized for either amp, but I'm surprised that I liked the cleans on the 10th Ann. more than the Type 3. I agree that they sound more like the cleans on the Custom Clean than the cleans on the Type 3. For me, there's no comparison on the overdriven tones...the type 3 wins hands down. Before hearing the clips I would have thought the opposite.

Do the contour controls make as much of a difference on the 10th Ann. as on the Type III? The contour on the lead channel on the Type III makes all the difference. It's really amazing how the amp changes personality.

More clips please, with the eq optimized on each amp.

[reddgeetarzan]

Thanks for the clips. It's hard to tell because I don't think the eq settings were optimized for either amp, but I'm surprised that I liked the cleans on the 10th Ann. more than the Type 3. I agree that they sound more like the cleans on the Custom Clean than the cleans on the Type 3. For me, there's no comparison on the overdriven tones...the type 3 wins hands down. Before hearing the clips I would have thought the opposite.

Do the contour controls make as much of a difference on the 10th Ann. as on the Type III? The contour on the lead channel on the Type III makes all the difference. It's really amazing how the amp changes personality.

More clips please, with the eq optimized on each amp.

Yes, the contours make a HUGE difference. Love having them on both channels- that's a wonderful thing.

The Type 3 dirt channel is great, but it was almost too smooth for my tastes- I like a little more grit and my 100 watter 10th does it nicely.
I'm still trying to get used to the reverb on it.

[wec]

I agree about the contours on the Type 3. They do make a huge difference. Also, the negative feedback switches make a dramatic difference in the tone, response and feel of the amp. They can really change the character of the amp and how smooth or open sounding it is.

[Tag]

I agree about the contours on the Type 3. They do make a huge difference. Also, the negative feedback switches make a dramatic difference in the tone, response and feel of the amp. They can really change the character of the amp and how smooth or open sounding it is.

Agree. The amp is amazing. The seperate contours allow you to make the cleans as bright as you want, and dial in the smoothness in the lead channel. The feedback switches can make the amp incredibly refined, or very open and in your face. Add the class A switch, and you can get almost any Dumble type tone under the sun. From Sonny Landreth, to Robben Ford!

[Jay Strange]

Type 3 for me all the way. SERIOUS note bloom:beer

[BudLite]

Hi Travis, do any of your amps have a more desirable OD tone than the OD channel of the Epro. Thanks

[traviswalk]

Hi Travis, do any of your amps have a more desirable OD tone than the OD channel of the Epro. Thanks

Dave, it's funny that you ask that because after trying all those amps, never once did I say 'man, those blow the doors of the E.Pro, I should sell that one!'. The E.Pro hangs for sure with the new Two-rock offerings. If anything, I loved that the E.Pro has an awesome reverb, serial/parallel loop, the most distinctive 'Mid Boost' and can go from quiet people in the room gain to killer volume at the high end of the dial. And while the E.Pro is a solid state rectifier, given the time that this one has been broken in it 'feels' almost as soft as the Type III with the Dual Recs. It doesn't have the killer volume of the Type II that is just out and out LOUD!, but I would say the reverb is in the same zip code as the 10th Anniversary. I wouldn't say one is more desireable, I find that I dial them all in to sound within 98% of each other and they all sound good!

And sorry fellas for the abrupt stop in clips, the family came back home and it was a crazy house over the 4th!

[BudLite]

Thanks Travis, I found the type II was a LOUD amp as well, I always feel w/ the Epro I can get a nice tone even at very low volumes. Have you noticed any of the other amps to be able to achieve this? I bet you having a blast playing all these different amp!!! Enjoy!!!

[traviswalk]

Interesting to look back at this thread after all this time has passed. I have since sold the Type II, Type III, 10th Anniversary, Classic Reverb and EmPro!! Of those, I miss the Classic Reverb and 10th Anniversary the most...will likely take down 100 watt versions of each of those at some point.

BUT.....today is NEW TWO-ROCK DAY!! Delivered earlier today was Steve's 70's Krinard ODS. About to leave work to go fire it up and test it out, very excited. I've been out of the Two-Rock loop for a while and eager to get back in to some of the new stuff they are doing. This is a 100 watter as well and will be my first 100 watt Two-Rock outside of the Sterling Sig, which is the ultimate keeper for me and holds the label of Two-Rock I'll never sell!

More info later after I get home and give it a whirl.

[Oz Hofstatter]

Congrats Todd!!!
Play it loud and healthy!!!
Today is my new Two-Rock Day too..... Just arrived a TR J2..... It's a "Wolf in Sheep's Clothing".....
Cheers,
Oz

[traviswalk]

Thanks Oz! Just got her all unpacked and she is beautiful, wow. And that's even before plugging in!

As for the amp, this 70s type circuit is really great as Lance demonstrated on his recent Bludo clips. Non-HRM and not a lot of switches in the back, very straightforward gain machine! And briefly I already realized I should have gravitated towards 100 watt Two-Rocks long ago! Such huge sonic footprint, wow.

Put my new Spring Chicken in the loop for some verb, damn is that a great pedal too and fit's perfectly in the loop for a no reverb head!

More to follow...having a lot of fun here!

[J.T. Guitar]

Congrats Todd!

[Mike]

Thanks Oz! Just got her all unpacked and she is beautiful, wow. And that's even before plugging in!

As for the amp, this 70s type circuit is really great as Lance demonstrated on his recent Bludo clips. Non-HRM and not a lot of switches in the back, very straightforward gain machine! And briefly I already realized I should have gravitated towards 100 watt Two-Rocks long ago! Such huge sonic footprint, wow.

Put my new Spring Chicken in the loop for some verb, damn is that a great pedal too and fit's perfectly in the loop for a no reverb head!

More to follow...having a lot of fun here!Helluva amp, helluva tone.

Mike

[traviswalk]

Are you familiar with this amp Mike?

It really is great...I'm a bit beside myself!

Thanks Steve!!

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_4176.jpg

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/traviswalk/IMG_4174.jpg

[Mike]

Are you familiar with this amp Mike?

It really is great...I'm a bit beside myself!

Thanks Steve!!

I had it's predecessor - which may have been the finest amp I've ever played for that thing. Trouble for me was it was a 50 watter and - being a tweed style circuit - it didn't have the headroom I needed and I couldn't justify keeping it. PLUS I sold it to a local friend who will loan it to me any time I want!

I told Bill he needed to do a 100 watt version of that amp, and around the same time it seems as Bill found a customer for it. I don't remember now, but Steve may have flipped out over a clip we did at the time, this one:

Mike's Old Amp (http://www.tonegurus.com/blindwhitebreadkelly.mp3)

Bill had originally been creating something for Kimock-the-slide-king. After playing it I hounded him about it for a couple of months until he finally sold it to me.

Mike

[traviswalk]

I had it's predecessor - which may have been the finest amp I've ever played for that thing. Trouble for me was it was a 50 watter and - being a tweed style circuit - it didn't have the headroom I needed and I couldn't justify keeping it. PLUS I sold it to a local friend who will loan it to me any time I want!

I told Bill he needed to do a 100 watt version of that amp, and around the same time it seems as Bill found a customer for it. I don't remember now, but Steve may have flipped out over a clip we did at the time, this one:

Mike's Old Amp (http://www.tonegurus.com/blindwhitebreadkelly.mp3)

Bill had originally been creating something for Kimock-the-slide-king. After playing it I hounded him about it for a couple of months until he finally sold it to me.

Mike


YES!! That is a great clip! And yes this seems like the 100 watt monster version of that! Unfortunately I'm going out of town this weekend for a week, so no clips of this bad boy soon. But I have a real good feeling about this amp already.

[Mike]

YES!! That is a great clip! And yes this seems like the 100 watt monster version of that! Unfortunately I'm going out of town this weekend for a week, so no clips of this bad boy soon. But I have a real good feeling about this amp already.Good for you man - killer amp right there, at a ridiculous price. Bill had that "L" thing DOWN long before others started trying to make them.

It seems like Kimock just keeps pushing for more, more, MORE tone! Bill loves the challenge and the end results. A lot of the mojo in your (and my) amp is what ended up inspiring the J-2.

Mike

[wishkahdaddy]

I jumped into this thing late, mainly because I stay out of about every thread except the Carol Ann site. Seems if the word "Dumble" appears mud begins to sling and life is too short to deal with that! LOL I just assumed that Two Rock would turn into a Dumble thread but after reading a few strands it seems it's ok so far. Nice job gents...
I owned the 100 Watt Two Rock Type 2 that Mike from Tone Gurus was talkinga about. A great amp for blues, but and for about any lead I could throw at it. For rock rhythms, it just kind of "farted out" on me for lack of a better term. It just did not have the punch for rhthms that I was looking for-and almost gave me a "muddy" tone for rock rhythms. With that said, the thing truly was A BEAST. If money was no object I'd still own it. I've been known to blow it a kiss after a lead I loved the tone so much! LOL In my opinion it did not really sound "right" until I used the Effects Loop Interface. When that was plugged it it smoothed out so much and did not have that "harsh" sound to it. It was so, so, so smooth to my ear on the lead tone. The cleans were big and bold, but they did break up fairly quickly. I actually liked it for what I did with the cleans. I had the Robben Ford thing going with a the 2290 rack delay. Again, the lead tone was to die for. With the type of music I play (modern country and 80's style rock), I decided to sell it and buy a Carol Ann Tucana. I have not looked back. With that said, I will own another Two Rock someday, I really did like it that much. I'm just not a rich man so I can't keep everything I have owned like I wish I could. My new set-up is a Bruno Cowtipper 45 Pro for my cleans (I add a Zendrive to it or a tubescreamer for some dirt) mixed with a Carol Ann Tucana. I run them at the same time with the Bruno being louder on cleans and the Carol Ann louder on the overdrive. A great tone for what I do! I miss my Two Rock but, with my new system, I cannot complain.
Thanks for keeping the thread positive. It makes for a nice read!

[traviswalk]

I jumped into this thing late, mainly because I stay out of about every thread except the Carol Ann site. Seems if the word "Dumble" appears mud begins to sling and life is too short to deal with that! LOL I just assumed that Two Rock would turn into a Dumble thread but after reading a few strands it seems it's ok so far. Nice job gents...
I owned the 100 Watt Two Rock Type 2 that Mike from Tone Gurus was talkinga about. A great amp for blues, but and for about any lead I could throw at it. For rock rhythms, it just kind of "farted out" on me for lack of a better term. It just did not have the punch for rhthms that I was looking for-and almost gave me a "muddy" tone for rock rhythms. With that said, the thing truly was A BEAST. If money was no object I'd still own it. I've been known to blow it a kiss after a lead I loved the tone so much! LOL In my opinion it did not really sound "right" until I used the Effects Loop Interface. When that was plugged it it smoothed out so much and did not have that "harsh" sound to it. It was so, so, so smooth to my ear on the lead tone. The cleans were big and bold, but they did break up fairly quickly. I actually liked it for what I did with the cleans. I had the Robben Ford thing going with a the 2290 rack delay. Again, the lead tone was to die for. With the type of music I play (modern country and 80's style rock), I decided to sell it and buy a Carol Ann Tucana. I have not looked back. With that said, I will own another Two Rock someday, I really did like it that much. I'm just not a rich man so I can't keep everything I have owned like I wish I could. My new set-up is a Bruno Cowtipper 45 Pro for my cleans (I add a Zendrive to it or a tubescreamer for some dirt) mixed with a Carol Ann Tucana. I run them at the same time with the Bruno being louder on cleans and the Carol Ann louder on the overdrive. A great tone for what I do! I miss my Two Rock but, with my new system, I cannot complain.
Thanks for keeping the thread positive. It makes for a nice read!

Yep, share the same feeling with you on the Type II and wish I had tried the 100 watt version because I may have kept it for the cleans! The 50 watter that I had was the one that Tag recorded clips with that MacDaddy owns now, it was an awesome amp and Tag demonstrated how darn good the lead sounds could be on it.

This was/is a very positive thread and dug that people were respectful, I don't like to sling crap around but more just appreciate that all these amps are absolutely stellar and folks would generally be happy with any one of them!

[wishkahdaddy]

Yep, share the same feeling with you on the Type II and wish I had tried the 100 watt version because I may have kept it for the cleans! The 50 watter that I had was the one that Tag recorded clips with that MacDaddy owns now, it was an awesome amp and Tag demonstrated how darn good the lead sounds could be on it.

This was/is a very positive thread and dug that people were respectful, I don't like to sling crap around but more just appreciate that all these amps are absolutely stellar and folks would generally be happy with any one of them!
All of these amps are simply stellar. They truly are! I played in the King Of Blues competition at Guitar Center last year. I made it threw a couple of rounds and just dreaded going there as the amps they made me play could not hold a candle to my Two Rock Type 2. I would hit the first note and almost cry as the tone was simply not there. The boys at Two Rock, Carol Ann, etc. have it going on. Expensive amps but you get what you pay for. Thanks again for a coordial thread (at least the posts I have read thus far). It shows a lot of class for the people who posted on here. NICE!:bow

[J.T. Guitar]

All of these amps are simply stellar. They truly are! I played in the King Of Blues competition at Guitar Center last year. I made it threw a couple of rounds and just dreaded going there as the amps they made me play could not hold a candle to my Two Rock Type 2. I would hit the first note and almost cry as the tone was simply not there. The boys at Two Rock, Carol Ann, etc. have it going on. Expensive amps but you get what you pay for. Thanks again for a coordial thread (at least the posts I have read thus far). It shows a lot of class for the people who posted on here. NICE!:bow

Yeah, might be a whole new game if they'd let players use their own gear.

Hard to beat TR's cleans for sure!

The tax man has smacked me down hard this year... I'm just hoping I can keep my 100 watt 10th. :worried

[sfarnell]

All of these amps are simply stellar. They truly are! I played in the King Of Blues competition at Guitar Center last year. I made it threw a couple of rounds and just dreaded going there as the amps they made me play could not hold a candle to my Two Rock Type 2. I would hit the first note and almost cry as the tone was simply not there. The boys at Two Rock, Carol Ann, etc. have it going on. Expensive amps but you get what you pay for. Thanks again for a coordial thread (at least the posts I have read thus far). It shows a lot of class for the people who posted on here. NICE!:bow

These threads about individual manufacturers stay civil a lot longer than the "Dumble" threads in which everyone is comparing the newer amps to a Dumble, and the fight about which new amp comes closest to a Dumble starts there. I think that the Carol Ann and Glaswerks threads stay civil too. It's only the Dumble threads that attract a lot of haters.

Ever since the Classic series was introduced at TR, I think that it's harder and harder to call a TR a clone of anything. My Type 3 is so much more than a Dumble type amp. Every time I speak with Bill he's got some new circuit swimming around in that head of his and the next thing I know there's a new killer amp. He's been devoting a lot of time to reverb circuits that change the character of clean channel of an amp. Last summer I heard an amp that Bill made and loaned out to Kimock for some California shows that he did. It was huge, bigger than the Custom Clean and was 150 Watts. It was so loud it could only be used at an outdoor gig but that amp had the best lead tone I've ever heard. I think Bill still has that amp and is holding onto it. To my ears it sounded like a Lindley type amp but with more headroom.

Congratulations Todd, the amp is beautiful and Steve is great to deal with. I can't wait for some clips.

[Mike]

Every time I speak with Bill he's got some new circuit swimming around in that head of his and the next thing I know there's a new killer amp. He's been devoting a lot of time to reverb circuits that change the character of clean channel of an amp. :aok

Mike

[StratStringSlinger]

Congrats on the new amp, looks beautiful. Tell us more about this baby? Hopefully clips to come after your weekend trip. Thanks.

[traviswalk]

These threads about individual manufacturers stay civil a lot longer than the "Dumble" threads in which everyone is comparing the newer amps to a Dumble, and the fight about which new amp comes closest to a Dumble starts there. I think that the Carol Ann and Glaswerks threads stay civil too. It's only the Dumble threads that attract a lot of haters.

Ever since the Classic series was introduced at TR, I think that it's harder and harder to call a TR a clone of anything. My Type 3 is so much more than a Dumble type amp. Every time I speak with Bill he's got some new circuit swimming around in that head of his and the next thing I know there's a new killer amp. He's been devoting a lot of time to reverb circuits that change the character of clean channel of an amp. Last summer I heard an amp that Bill made and loaned out to Kimock for some California shows that he did. It was huge, bigger than the Custom Clean and was 150 Watts. It was so loud it could only be used at an outdoor gig but that amp had the best lead tone I've ever heard. I think Bill still has that amp and is holding onto it. To my ears it sounded like a Lindley type amp but with more headroom.

Congratulations Todd, the amp is beautiful and Steve is great to deal with. I can't wait for some clips.

Double :aok:aok !!

[traviswalk]

Congrats on the new amp, looks beautiful. Tell us more about this baby? Hopefully clips to come after your weekend trip. Thanks.


It is really beautiful, isn't it! The color combo was even better in person than I thought when looking at the pics. Steve can correct me if I'm wrong with anything, but this is a Krinard ODS with 70's voicing and non-HRM. 100 watts with a half power switch, dual contour knobs for clean and lead and only a feedback swith on the back in addition to a passive FX loop. Bill was telling Steve all about this great amp that he had just built and Steve talked him into using some of his NOS parts to build another. It was unfortunate that Steve had to sell and I'm lucky to have it and keep it in the TGP community. It will be at least until next weekend when I can do clips, but there will be plenty of them!!

[strat1953]

how does the type III differ from my custom reverb?

[traviswalk]

how does the type III differ from my custom reverb?

Is yours a Custom Reverb Sig? V1 or V2? The Type III overall has the soft feel as a result of the rectifiers, which really benefits the cleans on the amp with a wonderful, spongy feel.

[sfarnell]

how does the type III differ from my custom reverb?

The cleans on the T3 are more versatile and more in the BF camp than the Custom Reverb. The feel of the T3 is more BF and the OD is smoother.