Red Wirez Custom IR's - Axe-FX heaven

[Scott Peterson]

I am blown away, BLOWN away, by these IR's.

Caught wind of them a few days ago on the Fractal Forum.

Casually checked them out, decided to take the plunge (had enough sitting in the Paypal to cover the cost of their "BigBox" collection).

I've now logged some hours checking out all sorts of different IR's and pairs/quads of these Red Wirez IR's. Quite by accident, I've lucked into a strange mix that, logically, doesn't work. But damn, it does.

Here's my Bogner sound... really sounding like the best Bogner I've owned and heard recorded in my hands (just a quick mp3): http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0mwynjyj0y0

The mix of IR's? Marshall 1960A V30s Royer 121 6" cone and (gasp!) Marshall 1960A V30s Stereo Room.

Now, I know that you are NOT supposed to use the Stereo room as an IR in the Axe. And I KNOW it should not work.

But IMHO, it's a charm.

100% direct, no post processing, and recorded in mono. One pass. More of these quickie clips to come.

I am blown away with these IR's. Very happy. www.redwirez.com

[mtmartin71]

I was wondering if these would be worth the purchase. Thanks for the review Scott.

[Eric Thomas]

I haven't started checking out IR's other than the ones delivered with the Axe. I have downloaded a bunch from links on the Fractal forum. I guess I'll get to that some day, but there's a lot of them out there to sort through....

Thanks for the clip Scott. If you get time a comparison clip between one of the Fractal delivered IR's and a Red Wirez cab might be helpful to people who are considering making the plunge.

[Scott Peterson]

Fender Deluxe: http://www.mediafire.com/?mlknpt5jxjx

Vox AC30: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?k3mc1n7tti0

Marshall JCM 800: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zmw2djzzfuh

I used different IR's appropriate for each setup.

Combined the room and the Royer 121 at 6" at the cone.

I am DIGGING these IR's.

[Scott Peterson]

I haven't started checking out IR's other than the ones delivered with the Axe. I have downloaded a bunch from links on the Fractal forum. I guess I'll get to that some day, but there's a lot of them out there to sort through....

Thanks for the clip Scott. If you get time a comparison clip between one of the Fractal delivered IR's and a Red Wirez cab might be helpful to people who are considering making the plunge.

These are on a new level from the custom ones I was using before.

One of the MOST important aspects of your tone with the Axe-FX (assuming you are running it direct FRFR) are the cab IR's. There is NO way to downplay their importance.

These are STELLAR.

[mtmartin71]

Scott...any download issues for you? SLOW download rates and mine crapped out halfway through.

[traynor_garnet]

This looks really cool for DI'ing my amp in my condo. So how do you use these IR's? Do they load into something like Sonar or Cubase or is there a separate host program? The website mentioned some free programs . . .

Very interested.

TG

[Scott Peterson]

Scott...any download issues for you? SLOW download rates and mine crapped out halfway through.

Nope, never.

This looks really cool for DI'ing my amp in my condo. So how do you use these IR's? Do they load into something like Sonar or Cubase or is there a separate host program? The website mentioned some free programs . . .

Very interested.

TG

You convert the wav files into sysex and use them inside the Axe-FX. As of now, they come with the wav files.

You can use IR files in various programs and plug-ins with different gear too. Not needed with the Axe-FX though.

[Matt Jones]

Scott-

Those sound unbelievable. So do these come from redwirez as .syx files or did you need to purchase them and do the conversions yourself?

Thanks and those clips really sound good. Just when I didn't think it could get any better!

matt

[Scott Peterson]

Scott-

Those sound unbelievable. So do these come from redwirez as .syx files or did you need to purchase them and do the conversions yourself?

Thanks and those clips really sound good. Just when I didn't think it could get any better!

matt

Thanks. I really work hard on making my tones sound good both live and in the studio and it's cool when others say nice things.

When I bought it, there were no sysex files. I used AlbertA's (free) conversion tool to covert the wav files to sysex. Cliff has since (in the last day or so) converted all the Red Wirez wave's to sysex and the Red Wirez guys now include them with the wav files when you buy it.

[traynor_garnet]

You can use IR files in various programs and plug-ins with different gear too. Not needed with the Axe-FX though.

So for those who don't have an Axe-Fx, I can actually use these IR's in real time being feed from a DI?

TG

[Scott Peterson]

So for those who don't have an Axe-Fx, I can actually use these IR's in real time being feed from a DI?

TG

Depends on the latency of your DAW setup.

[Eric Thomas]

These are on a new level from the custom ones I was using before.

One of the MOST important aspects of your tone with the Axe-FX (assuming you are running it direct FRFR) are the cab IR's. There is NO way to downplay their importance.

These are STELLAR.

Scott, thanks for the clean AC30 clip. That sounds great. JCM 800 clip sounds great too! I couldn't get the Deluxe clip to download.

I am running FRFR with a FBT Verve 8ma. I'm going to have to check these out.

Am I correct that the Axe-FX will only allow 10 custom IRs to be loaded? Considering all IR's that are out there, and the fact that so many advanced users claim that custom IRs are the key to getting the best tones, this seems like a real limitation. Has there been talk from Fractal about increasing the number of custom IRs that can be loaded at once?

[Eric Thomas]

OK, I just took a look at the Red Wirez website and the number of IR's included in the full bundle.

In light of the other thread that is going on right now about tweaking and time management problems this looks like a black hole for tweak junkies.....

[Scott Peterson]

Scott, thanks for the clean AC30 clip. That sounds great. JCM 800 clip sounds great too! I couldn't get the Deluxe clip to download.

I am running FRFR with a FBT Verve 8ma. I'm going to have to check these out.

Am I correct that the Axe-FX will only allow 10 custom IRs to be loaded? Considering all IR's that are out there, and the fact that so many advanced users claim that custom IRs are the key to getting the best tones, this seems like a real limitation. Has there been talk from Fractal about increasing the number of custom IRs that can be loaded at once?

There is a wishlist item on it in the Fractal Forum. Time will tell.

OK, I just took a look at the Red Wirez website and the number of IR's included in the full bundle.

In light of the other thread that is going on right now about tweaking and time management problems this looks like a black hole for tweak junkies.....

You are missing the point. Listen again to the clips I've posted (I've put up 4). Realize that I've nailed MY tone from Fender, Vox, Marshall and Bogner. Perfectly. With a palette of effects optimized for each and controlled to the nth degree by me on stage (or in the studio) with my foot controller and expression pedals. Now remember I can play my acoustic direct, with the same sort of effect board (almost impossible in 'real life'). All in a small, portable and powerful rig that delivers the goods 100% every night. And what you hear recorded is EXACTLY what gets delivered to the FOH PA system, every gig, every session. No variables to worry about.

And note that I did indeed tweak this to get there; but I am 'there'. No further tweaking necessary and no 'time management problems'. Which IMHO, is a red herring.

Use your ears, not your brain. The tones are there. Nothing else matters.

And also note that I have nearly 40 presets to choose from for every gig, every session. Matchless, Soldano, Budda, Dumble, Trainwreck, CAE, and onward. All done. All ready to go. The tones fit the gig, every gig. Well over 100+ gigs now in this box with me; and it was a helluva lot cheaper and more efficient than buying a new amp and pedals as my gig needs changed.

[Eric Thomas]

You are missing the point.....

No, I didn't miss the point. I don't spend a lot of time tweaking advanced parameters and I get what I consider to be excellent results from the Axe-Fx. I think that those who claim it's hard to dial in the Axe-Fx are possibly over analyzing their tone and will do the same thing with any rig - tube or otherwize.

I'm just pointing out that the full Red Wirez bundle delivers a staggering amount of IR's. Maybe I'm misreading it, but with 9 positions per mike for each cabinet that adds up to a lot of IR's to audition and compare to find the right ones that work for me. For people who do not know when to stop tweaking and to start playing that could be a black hole.

[gdomeier]

Yes, you can. I have been running the line out from my hotplate into my daw and recording my guitar that way. I have a fairly old computer and I have no latency issues.


So for those who don't have an Axe-Fx, I can actually use these IR's in real time being feed from a DI?

TG

[gdomeier]

There is good info on how to use them at http://www.guitarampmodeling.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=2452 Essentially you load a vst in your host. The free ones I know of are Voxengo Boogex and KeFIR. From those vst's, you load the speaker impulse response. Route your DI signal into the same mixer channel in your daw that has the vst/impulse loaded in and you should be hearing the affected signal. This looks really cool for DI'ing my amp in my condo. So how do you use these IR's? Do they load into something like Sonar or Cubase or is there a separate host program? The website mentioned some free programs . . .

Very interested.

TG

[traynor_garnet]

Thanks so much gdomeier! This could really be the solution I am looking for in my condo :)

How does the Hotplate DI into the IR's sound? Are you happy with the tone? Does it sound like your amp through a regular speaker?

Thanks again,
TG

[gdomeier]

I haven't used these impulses yet, but have had some good luck with the free ones I have found. Clean and edge breakup are easier for me that the heavier stuff.

I have been farting around with the impulses for the past few days and decided to stop tweaking and just record something. This is what I came up with last night.

http://webpages.charter.net/gregdomeier/thesound.mp3

To me, I am getting about the same tones I do when miking my amp as I am with IR's. Neither though sound like my amp in the room, at least to my ears.

[sgill72]

scott...i appreciate your insight and sharing of these. thank you.

the decision is mine whether i want to jump on it or not. hopefully 'some' will keep that in mind when they post.

[Scott Peterson]

No, I didn't miss the point. I don't spend a lot of time tweaking advanced parameters and I get what I consider to be excellent results from the Axe-Fx. I think that those who claim it's hard to dial in the Axe-Fx are possibly over analyzing their tone and will do the same thing with any rig - tube or otherwize.

I'm just pointing out that the full Red Wirez bundle delivers a staggering amount of IR's. Maybe I'm misreading it, but with 9 positions per mike for each cabinet that adds up to a lot of IR's to audition and compare to find the right ones that work for me. For people who do not know when to stop tweaking and to start playing that could be a black hole.

Understood, we agree in different words is all.

Here's this from Red Wirez (their tutorial section) that is also a primer on recording guitar tone using a mic setup; in essence this is the exact approach I used towards having so many IR's to choose from in their collection.

Dial in your tone. Part of the reason we gave you so many options is because we wanted to make it feel like you're sitting in the control room with an assistant in the live room moving the mic around the cabinet. Part of the fun is becoming familiar with each mic's unique characteristics and then figuring out how to manipulate them to your advantage. So it's not only an IR library it's a learning tool... it slices, it dices... it will also do your taxes.

It may seem overwhelming at first, so we provide a few starting points below that you can tweak to find the tone that best suits your amp, your instrument, your playing style, and your genre.

Based on our experience, and yours may vary depending on the factors noted above, a good place to start with just about every cab is a Royer on the cap at 1-2". Then you can dial in what you want from there.

Or with the other mics you can start: 421 CapEdge 0", CapOffAxis 0", Cone 3"
C414 CapEdge 2-3"
i5 Cone 0"
M160 Cap 0-2", CapEdge 0-2"
RE20 CapEdge 0"
KM84 CapEdge 2-3"
M7 CapEdge 1-2"
M8 CapEdge 1"
R121 Cap 1-2"
SM57 Cap Edge 0-1", CapEdgeOffAxis 0"
TAB57 Cap Edge 0", CapEdgeOffAxis 0"
U87 Cap Edge 2-3"
If you need one general rule for all mics then you should probably start on the CapEdge at 1", then dial in from there.

These won't always work right off the bat, and you may find yourself surprised by what sounds good, so play around with the placement. Here are some tips:

Move the mic closer for more proximity effect and thus more low-end. This will balance out the highs you get from being closer to the cap or overwhelm them in some cases and skew the balance.
Move the mic farther away to thin it out. This works well for clean guitars & "bassy" amps.
Move the mic towards the cap for more high end, or "definition" if it sounds too muddy
Move the mic out towards the edge of the cone if you're getting too much high end or it sounds too harsh.
If it sounds too bright, sometimes it'll work to leave the mic where it is and just flip it off axis. It will roll-off the highs and depending on the mic give it "grainy-er" sound.
Try blending multiple close mics. The IRs are time-aligned so you can mix a 2" mic signal with a 0" mic signal and not have to worry about phase coherence. Try mixing an SM57 for some bite and an R121 for the beef. Or try a 421 with an R121 for the same effect with more cut and less midrange bite.
Try blending in the room mics, the the back of cab mics, and the mics placed farther back for a more 3D sound

In short, if you use these guidelines and just start playing around you should quickly find many combinations that will work for you. No more applying dangerous amounts of EQ to try and get your IR'ed tracks to sit in the mix.

[mtmartin71]

Regarding these impulses, they're taken through a number of mics. I'm confused as to how that properly blends with the AxeFX or am I getting a mic sim of a mic'd impulse when I use the AxeFX mics? Or, is it more appropriate to load impulses of the cabs with a certain mic and then match up the mic on the AxeFX?...or....should I kill the mic sim on the Axe because the impulse is capturing the cab sound mic'd?....or.... :) .....just do whatever?

[Scott Peterson]

Regarding these impulses, they're taken through a number of mics. I'm confused as to how that properly blends with the AxeFX or am I getting a mic sim of a mic'd impulse when I use the AxeFX mics? Or, is it more appropriate to load impulses of the cabs with a certain mic and then match up the mic on the AxeFX?...or....should I kill the mic sim on the Axe because the impulse is capturing the cab sound mic'd?....or.... :) .....just do whatever?

These impulse already have the mic in them. Just leave the mic setting in the Axe-FX to none.

[mtmartin71]

These impulse already have the mic in them. Just leave the mic setting in the Axe-FX to none.

Perfect. Thanks for the quick response. I've tried the 1960 w/ G12Ms, the Orange, and the Mesa and they really sound good. They all seem a little more lively so far than stock.

[Gasp100]

Wow, very intrigued. I will have to check these out. So, I know with the new editor it's supposedly easier to upload IR's into bank / preset sections, I'm sure I can figure it out. So I assume the limitations are:

You have what, 8 or so USER "spaces" to upload the IR's you use? If you want to test all of the available IR's out, you'll have some decisions to make, correct?

So Scott, you described using 2 (at least) different IR configurations)? I take that to mean you have a patch in the AxeFX, your patch is stereo and therefor under the CAB block section you can choose different mic's/cab's OR in this case IR's for each side of the stereo signal?
Or are you doing a dual amp setup allowing even more IR usage?

Just curious, the Fractal IR section is a great place to begin, but extremely unorganized. I also have no interest on creating IR's myself, just using precreated ones so much of the reading material is im-material to me. And, I'm just being a little lazy :rotflmao

[Scott Peterson]

Wow, very intrigued. I will have to check these out. So, I know with the new editor it's supposedly easier to upload IR's into bank / preset sections, I'm sure I can figure it out. So I assume the limitations are:

You have what, 8 or so USER "spaces" to upload the IR's you use? If you want to test all of the available IR's out, you'll have some decisions to make, correct?

So Scott, you described using 2 (at least) different IR configurations)? I take that to mean you have a patch in the AxeFX, your patch is stereo and therefor under the CAB block section you can choose different mic's/cab's OR in this case IR's for each side of the stereo signal?
Or are you doing a dual amp setup allowing even more IR usage?

Just curious, the Fractal IR section is a great place to begin, but extremely unorganized. I also have no interest on creating IR's myself, just using precreated ones so much of the reading material is im-material to me. And, I'm just being a little lazy :rotflmao

You have 10 'spaces' for one custom IR each in the Axe-FX.

To demo them, I just drop a new one in the editor, it uploads into the Axe-FX, and then I play and listen. Takes 2 seconds each. Try doing that in a conventional situation moving mic's and such.

I drop them in the stereo cab but pan them center. I don't do stereo; I only do mono. Just me and what I need/want. I set the mic sim to 'none'. There are already mic's in the IR, no need or benefit to adding a mic sim IMHO.

You don't need to run dual amps to run two cabs; you can run two cab blocks (in the Ultra anyway) with one amp. The two amp setup never intrigued me at all. Again, just my needs and preferences.

[Shark Diver]

Damn, that Bogner clip makes me want an AXE again! Really, sweet. :phones

[Gasp100]

Thanks Scott, I'm leaning very close to pulling the trigger on these but my AxeFX Standard isn't here yet and I'd like to at least get more comfortable with user IR's (probably use some of Jay's, grab some other noteable ones from Fractal forum to get the process down first) but I think I get it.

-- "You don't need to run dual amps to run two cabs; you can run two cab blocks (in the Ultra anyway) with one amp. The two amp setup never intrigued me at all. Again, just my needs and preferences."

This is pretty crafty and something I have not tried on the Standard. To be honest, I have never "crossed" lines in my signal path / blocks; my presets have always just been one straight line linked like a conventional rig (well, one of everything - pedals -> amp -> cab -> postFX if you know what I mean). I need to break out of this paradigm and start digging deeper with using multiple cabs (and other stuff in tandem )on one amp like you describe.

-- "I drop them in the stereo cab but pan them center. I don't do stereo; I only do mono. Just me and what I need/want. I set the mic sim to 'none'. There are already mic's in the IR, no need or benefit to adding a mic sim IMHO."

:jo

I never even considered setting two cabs panned center to be able to get a mono source (with multiple cabs) happening... I would be recording and monitoring thru my studio monitors in stereo, but when I send signal to a "live" solution I would go mono (and actually prefer it). Great, simple, tip...

Their list of tips is something that you would do in a studio with mic'ing as second nature (adding a further room mic for ambience, mic'ing the back of a cab, etc... Are these features WITHIN ONE loaded IR exposed through the AxeFX, or do you just pic a particular IR that has say: Royer, 1" from cap, Fender Cab with no other options to tweak thru the AxeFX (or editor)? Just wondering, I'd love to see a YouTube tutorial specific to the AxeFX for this set of IR's. I know people have made them before for other 3rd party pieces using the AxeFX (Voodoo GCPro setup, midimate setup come to mind).

[mwc2112]

Damn you Scott Peterson!!!

Must... resist... buying...

Ok, I can't, I'm pulling the trigger. :aok

[Gasp100]

Damn you Scott Peterson!!!

Must... resist... buying...

Ok, I can't, I'm pulling the trigger. :aok

Me too, I went for the big box bundle for $55. I'll probably have to grab that celestion blue from the small box bundle too - may favorite speaker by far. I'll be testing this with an RP1000 (no cab sim) direct into Reaper. I'll have to figure out the IR loading stuff / VST stuff according to some of the 3rd party guys they linked too but I'll post clips if I can as well.
Can't wait until the AxeFX gets back.
:dude

[Scott Peterson]

Are these features WITHIN ONE loaded IR exposed through the AxeFX, or do you just pic a particular IR that has say: Royer, 1" from cap, Fender Cab with no other options to tweak thru the AxeFX (or editor)? Just wondering, I'd love to see a YouTube tutorial specific to the AxeFX for this set of IR's. I know people have made them before for other 3rd party pieces using the AxeFX (Voodoo GCPro setup, midimate setup come to mind).

I picked two of the IR's and simply dropped them into a cab block in the Axe-FX. I pan everything in that block to center and set all levels to 0db. I set the mic sim to 'none'.

So in effect, you are using two of the IR's combined as one. You can then also drop another cab block (serial, parallel, whatever) and add more. Or not.

I tried all kinds of combinations, all sorts of settings and stumbled by accident on the combination that worked for me. (IMHO). I accidentally grabbed the wrong IR to send up to one block, kept it and turned off the first cab block. What I heard was what I was going for.

In the end, like in a conventional rig, it's less the 'science' of it and more the 'art'. What I am doing with the IR's makes no sense; it should not work.

When I was listening back on my FBT 8ma, I was really surprised and had to double check what I did with the IR's. Then I turned off the powered cab and put on headphones.... then I knew I was onto something.

In the spirit of sharing, I cut these quickie clips (as my wife was screaming at me to "TURN IT DOWN!") and shared what I'd found. (That's why the Marshall clip is so full of rhythm issues; I was screaming back at my wife in the doorway, "I'M ALMOST DONE! CHILL OUT!"). ;) :D

Normally, I wait till I gig test stuff before I post anything; this was one of those 'lightening' realizations and I felt it was urgent to share what I'd heard and found. Next gig is Saturday, and then Wednesday. For me, that's the REAL acid test. I have complete confidence I'm gonna like what I am hearing though.

[mtmartin71]

I picked two of the IR's and simply dropped them into a cab block in the Axe-FX. I pan everything in that block to center and set all levels to 0db. I set the mic sim to 'none'.

So in effect, you are using two of the IR's combined as one. You can then also drop another cab block (serial, parallel, whatever) and add more. Or not.

I tried all kinds of combinations, all sorts of settings and stumbled by accident on the combination that worked for me. (IMHO). I accidentally grabbed the wrong IR to send up to one block, kept it and turned off the first cab block. What I heard was what I was going for.

In the end, like in a conventional rig, it's less the 'science' of it and more the 'art'. What I am doing with the IR's makes no sense; it should not work.

When I was listening back on my FBT 8ma, I was really surprised and had to double check what I did with the IR's. Then I turned off the powered cab and put on headphones.... then I knew I was onto something.

In the spirit of sharing, I cut these quickie clips (as my wife was screaming at me to "TURN IT DOWN!") and shared what I'd found. (That's why the Marshall clip is so full of rhythm issues; I was screaming back at my wife in the doorway, "I'M ALMOST DONE! CHILL OUT!"). ;) :D

Normally, I wait till I gig test stuff before I post anything; this was one of those 'lightening' realizations and I felt it was urgent to share what I'd heard and found. Next gig is Saturday, and then Wednesday. For me, that's the REAL acid test. I have complete confidence I'm gonna like what I am hearing though.

Just so I'm clear, each IR takes up 1 user space, correct? So you're not combining (2) IRs into (1) cab user space, right? You just mean that in the layout, you're using 1 cab block and using a stereo block to assign (2) IRs in that block? That's what I'm doing but I'm going with a combination of the close mic'd Royer sound and the off axis SM57 sound and doing that left/right for the Marshalls and the Mesa. I'm just doing one space each for the remaining 4 cabs with the suggested Royer. They all sound real good.

This makes me wonder...since Cliff got together with these guys to give them the .syx versions for the AxeFX, I wonder if he'll cut a deal on a pay-for update of cabs. I'd certainly consider it.

[Scott Peterson]

Just so I'm clear, each IR takes up 1 user space, correct? So you're not combining (2) IRs into (1) cab user space, right? You just mean that in the layout, you're using 1 cab block and using a stereo block to assign (2) IRs in that block? That's what I'm doing but I'm going with a combination of the close mic'd Royer sound and the off axis SM57 sound and doing that left/right for the Marshalls and the Mesa. I'm just doing one space each for the remaining 4 cabs with the suggested Royer. They all sound real good.

Yes. And we agree on how they sound.

[mtmartin71]

Cool...on a different note, your fitness blog looks interesting. I've been considering a program to do as I've trained over the past few years with no real program other than what I used to do for football. I'm 6'6" 245 right now and probably should be more in the 230 to 240 range. My peak shape was 260 for football but obviously I don't need to be in that place anymore. Anyhow, I've got the space and gear (except for a pullup bar) to go about looking into that P90x program.

[drmaf]

Scott -

Any good tutuorials on IR's and FRFR systems that you can recommend for a NOOB like me? I'm admittedly clueless. I'll ask the question in a new thread if it would be better.

[Scott Peterson]

Scott -

Any good tutuorials on IR's and FRFR systems that you can recommend for a NOOB like me? I'm admittedly clueless. I'll ask the question in a new thread if it would be better.

Head over to the Fractal forum and check out the FAQ's in the IR section. Also consult the Axe-FX wiki.

[Scott Peterson]

Cool...on a different note, your fitness blog looks interesting. I've been considering a program to do as I've trained over the past few years with no real program other than what I used to do for football. I'm 6'6" 245 right now and probably should be more in the 230 to 240 range. My peak shape was 260 for football but obviously I don't need to be in that place anymore. Anyhow, I've got the space and gear (except for a pullup bar) to go about looking into that P90x program.

Cool man. PM or email me if you want to talk.

[AndrewSimon]

I posted this on the AXE-FX forum.
It shows what you can do when you use more then 1 mic.

OK we are bored... so we are going to layer 5 microphones to capture 1 cab

Amp: BRIT 800
Cab: Orange 4x12 V30

Main Mic: RE20 Cap 0"
AIR Mic: RE20 Cone 1" Bandpass EQed 100Hz - 650Hz
Bright Mic: I5 Cap 1"
Back Mic: KM84 Back of Cab 6"
Room Mic: R121 NullAndWall 12"

Here is the "script" to what we are listening to:

1 - Main Mic
2 - Main + Bright
3 - Main + Bright + Back (a little more 3D)
4 - Main + Bright + Back + Room (even more 3d)
5 - Main + Bright + Back + Room + AIR (Wow did you hear that one?)

6 - Solo Room Mic
7 - Solo Back Mic
8 - Solo Bright Mic
9 - Solo AIR Mic
10 - Solo Main Mic
11 - All Mic Finale

http://www.andras-shimon.com/TEMP/5micTest.mp3

"United, we are Strong"
Any Mic by itself sounds so so, but together they rule!
:D :o :D


And now... just for fun.... we will take these 5 mics as they are mixed right now
and we will resample them to create a single IR that we will convert and load into the AXE-FX.
Let's see how close can we get.

AXE-FX with 1 User Cab:
http://www.andras-shimon.com/TEMP/5in1.mp3


:aok

[Gasp100]

Wow, not that sounds huge (and REAL!!!). Excellent way to test and provide examples of what these can do. Thanks man!
BTW - does that now mean that you have ONE sysex file / one IR that can be loaded into the AxeFX to get that SUPER in the room feel? And if so, can I get it from you :)

[AndrewSimon]

BTW - does that now mean that you have ONE sysex file / one IR that can be loaded into the AxeFX to get that SUPER in the room feel?

Yes the second sample is a single SYS file created from the 5 IR's.
It sounds pretty close considering the limitation of 1024 point IR.

And if so, can I get it from you :)

Sorry, it won't be fair to Redwirez to share derivative work from a commercial library..... but I'll teach you how to do it if you want.

:)

[iaresee]

Sorry, it won't be fair to Redwirez to share derivative work from a commercial library..... but I'll teach you how to do it if you want.

:)
A tutorial would be cool. Especially for Standard owners. :) Presumably re-mixing our owned IRs for personal use is within the EULA, right?

[iaresee]

I too took a chance on the BigBOX set and...umm....holy. Wow.

I've only played with the Mesa and Vox IRs so far (and that I had issues getting stuff to load into spots other than U1 and U2 via the Axe-Editor) but, issues aside, they sound gloriously good.

On my DD Tribute patches, where I've been using RECTO1 and 2 cabs, I'm using the Mesa V30 + Royer sims and they are much, much more like my old Recto 2x12 that I loved. It's the lovely, gooey, mid-thick Rectifier tone I love.

And on the "Dirty 30" global amp, a top boost that I've never been able to make sound quite right, this is the fix. Their AC-30 cab IR is perfect. Absolutely perfect. Chime, not peaky, nothing harsh -- just good old blues.

I've dropped a ton of EQ off my main patches switching to these. They just sound great straight up.

Best $60 I've spent in a while.

[Matt Jones]

I too took a chance on the BigBOX set and...umm....holy. Wow.

I've only played with the Mesa and Vox IRs so far (and that I had issues getting stuff to load into spots other than U1 and U2 via the Axe-Editor) but, issues aside, they sound gloriously good.

On my DD Tribute patches, where I've been using RECTO1 and 2 cabs, I'm using the Mesa V30 + Royer sims and they are much, much more like my old Recto 2x12 that I loved. It's the lovely, gooey, mid-thick Rectifier tone I love.

And on the "Dirty 30" global amp, a top boost that I've never been able to make sound quite right, this is the fix. Their AC-30 cab IR is perfect. Absolutely perfect. Chime, not peaky, nothing harsh -- just good old blues.

I've dropped a ton of EQ off my main patches switching to these. They just sound great straight up.

Best $60 I've spent in a while.

You guys are really pushing me towards the edge of buying these. I converted those two Marshall .wav files redwirez provided in that long IR thread at the Fractal forum and they sound really good with the brit 800 model.

It's interesting how there has kind of been a wave of ir's that come complete with the mic sim as well.

[AndrewSimon]

A tutorial would be cool. Especially for Standard owners. :) Presumably re-mixing our owned IRs for personal use is within the EULA, right?

I have not read the EULA.... did you?
... but I assume it's OK....

I put up a "little tutorial" on the AXE-FX forum:

http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9347 (http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9347)

Not sure this will help newbies that don't have any computer skills at all.
But if you used a DAW and/or a Wave Editor before, you should be fine.

:)

[iaresee]

I have not read the EULA.... did you?
... but I assume it's OK....
Does anyone? I just unzipped and went straight to the Axe-Fx Syx folder. :) I'll read it. I'm not too worried though. I bought them, as long as it's for my use I feel no guilt remixing their files to create strange new IRs for myself.

I put up a "little tutorial" on the AXE-FX forum:

http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9347 (http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=9347)

Not sure this will help newbies that don't have any computer skills at all.
But if you used a DAW and/or a Wave Editor before, you should be fine.

:)
Thanks a bunch!

You know that other thread about the Axe-Fx and Time Management? This is the kind of stuff that I can get delightfully lost in for hours at a time. It can be overwhelming for sure.

[iaresee]

You guys are really pushing me towards the edge of buying these. I converted those two Marshall .wav files redwirez provided in that long IR thread at the Fractal forum and they sound really good with the brit 800 model.

It's interesting how there has kind of been a wave of ir's that come complete with the mic sim as well.
They're priced right. It's almost an easy amount of money to spend. And then future 20% promise, when you look at what they're working on, really sold it for me.

[Gasp100]

I couldn't wait for my AxeFX Standard to arrive and I had enough gear (really just a guitar, audio interface, Reaper and the keFIR convolution VST plugin (Free)) to at least test (beyond the convolution bot program on the Red Wirez site, which is pretty damn nifty I might add) so I could at least hear a very small portion of the IR's.
So, I used Reaper (somehow I have Cakewalk DX's left over from an old Sonar install that show up as available FX in Reaper (cool, the more the better I always say). I used the Cakewalk Amp Sim (DX) which is pretty much HORRID imho to get a Brit Crunch amp sound. So, it's my Tele direct into my audio interface - Cakewalk Brit Crunch amp sim with NO CAB selected. I played a track, then duplicated it three times (extremely simple with Reaper). I then used the recommended (and free) keFIR "convolution plug in) -- it's just a VST plug in that lets you load IR's (in wav format) into a track(s) in your DAW (ie. Reaper, Sonar, etc...).
So now I have three (pretty nasty sounding) Brit Crunch tracks from Cakewalk / Sonar Amp Sim. I then have a VST plug in on each track (keFIR) and I have a different Red Wirez IR loaded into each one. I believe I used:

Track 1: AC30-Royer-1" from cap
Track 2: AC30-C414 - 6" from edge of cap
Track 3: AC30-Stereo room mic

In the clip it starts off with is the plain amp sim (yuk), then I add one IR (that was bypassed) back in one track at a time. So the end result is three tracks (same exact clip) with all of the cab/mic IR's on it.
The difference is astounding and to be honest, I spent VERY LITTLE time determining which IR's I wanted to use. There are a ton of options, I'm have NO latency issues using the FREE keFIR download and it's SIMPLE if you have used any type of DAW with ANY type of DX or VST plugin.

I suspect this will sound a million times better with the AxeFX because the actual initial SOURCE amp quality BLOWS the Cakewalk/Sonar amp sim out of the water. But, this is a great way to audition these IR's simply and easily and obviously shows you don't need an AxeFX to take advantage of these IR's.

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=8037116

On a side note, when writing down the process this seems very difficult, but it's simple and nothing out of the ordinary for home recording enthusiasts who record direct to disk. The amount of options provided with the big box Red Wirez IR's is astounding. Now I'm SUPER stoked for the AxeFX to get here.
If you have ever played a nice Vox (or killer clone) the thing that always jumps out is the pleasing, forward midrandge and the swirly/chimey top end that just kind of hangs in the air. Like I said, these tracks don't sound great mainly because the initial amp sim SUCKS but it's clear that when the IR's are added in they add THAT dimension (at least to my ear) even though I haven't decided on which combo of cab / mic / placement will work best for my useage). IMHO of course, YMMV....

Here is a screenshot of what my Reaper session looked like. I have circled the FX within the track and also circle how I was able to easily bypass the IR's and add them back in one by one. Reaper allows you to bounce the mix to a track (outside of Reaper in mp3, wav or any other format for the final mix). Reaper is the BOMB!!! Here is the link to resize for a larger view: http://s249.photobucket.com/albums/gg225/Gasp100/?action=view&current=CakeAmpRedWirezAC30.jpg

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg225/Gasp100/CakeAmpRedWirezAC30.jpg

[redwire]

Hey guys,

Just found this thread. Glad you guys are liking the IRs.

Here's the EULA in brief. You can do whatever you want with the IRs for your own personal use. You can do anything you want with any audio you make with them. The IRs themselves are copyrighted, though, so like any copyrighted work you're not supposed to distribute the IRs themselves or derivatives of the IRs.

The library is huge. But, every IR we included has a potential use. We wanted it to feel like you're sitting in the control room with an assistant in the live room moving the mic around the cabinet, so we included a virtual ton of mic placements and mics. That way you can dial in the tone that's right for your amp, your playing style, and your musical genre and don't have to apply dangerous amounts of EQ to get the sound you want.

The tutorial (http://www.redwirez.com/tutorials.jsp) on the site has some pretty good advice for using the IRs and dialing in your tone.

We invested a lot of time and money into sampling some legendary cabinets with first class equipment and we're really proud of our work, so, please check them out. Got some really great cabinets in the pipeline, as well.

If you guys want to try our IRs you can do it at the site using the ConvolvoBot! It'll run your audio through any one or our IRs and email you the processed files. We also offer a 14 day money back guarantee. So, there's really no risk to trying them out.

There are Axe-Fx sysex files included that Cliff Chase was kind enough to convert for us. In October, we are going to do some close mic'ed and far field samples with an Earthworks TC30 reference mic into an Earthworks 1022, so you guys can use our cab IRs with the Axe-Fx mic sims. You can do it now and it may even sound good, but it's not how it was intended to be used. Of course, that can be part of the fun.

If you have any questions about the IRs, I'll try my best to answer them.

Although you guys seem to have it covered :beer

Thanks.

-- mike, Red Wire Impulses

[redwire]

Nice tutorial, Gasp100.

A few things about keFIR and some other convolution plugins for those who've never used them. keFIR is "zero" latency, so it's great for real-time use. LeCab is another good zero latency free convolution plug-in. If you hear latency then it's probably your audio interface (which all have a buffer to hold data for a short while) or your DAW applying latency compensation to deal with some other plug you have on a track or buss.

Being zero latency, keFIR and LeCab aren't the most accurate in the application of the IR to the audio source. SIR II is much more true to the original impulse, but sometime keFIR and LeCab can sound better, depending on what you like.

keFIR often sets the length of the impulse response too short. If it's too short, you will hear weird, almost metallic, high-end stuff creeping in. I don't normally go below 5% and higher usually sounds better, but I usually don't go much beyond 12% because of the CPU hit. Watch your CPU meter, because a longer length will eat up more CPU.

keFIR also defaults the mix parameter to 50% which means you are hearing equal amounts of the dry signal and the "convolved" signal. This can sound nice for clean sounds, but will sound prickly and horrible with distorted sounds, so move it to 100% for distorted stuff.

LeCab is kinda cool because you can mix 2 IRs in parallel without having to duplicate tracks. Our IRs are time-aligned which means you can mix them without the phase issues you would normally get mixing mics at two different distances.

Have fun.

[mwc2112]

Has anybody bought either of the 2 individual sets from the Speakerbox series (the Alnico Blue and Weber Blue Dog)?

[mtmartin71]

Is there a spot to figure this stuff out that's a little more clear? I've got the Big Box bundle and Cakewalk Sonar but the instructions are a little confusing, maybe because I lack the IR plug-in that is noted nor do I have any experience with these. I guess my worry is how much play do I have to still create a proper IR? Is there a lot of room to make a bad IR based on trying to combine them or is it easy to remove the silence etc to make a good one. I would like to make my own IR based on the cookbook given so I can just put 5 cabs in the user slots.

[gdomeier]

Will the new cabs be their own bundle, or will they be added to the current bundles?

Nice tutorial, Gasp100.

A few things about keFIR and some other convolution plugins for those who've never used them. keFIR is "zero" latency, so it's great for real-time use. LeCab is another good zero latency free convolution plug-in. If you hear latency then it's probably your audio interface (which all have a buffer to hold data for a short while) or your DAW applying latency compensation to deal with some other plug you have on a track or buss.

Being zero latency, keFIR and LeCab aren't the most accurate in the application of the IR to the audio source. SIR II is much more true to the original impulse, but sometime keFIR and LeCab can sound better, depending on what you like.

keFIR often sets the length of the impulse response too short. If it's too short, you will hear weird, almost metallic, high-end stuff creeping in. I don't normally go below 5% and higher usually sounds better, but I usually don't go much beyond 12% because of the CPU hit. Watch your CPU meter, because a longer length will eat up more CPU.

keFIR also defaults the mix parameter to 50% which means you are hearing equal amounts of the dry signal and the "convolved" signal. This can sound nice for clean sounds, but will sound prickly and horrible with distorted sounds, so move it to 100% for distorted stuff.

LeCab is kinda cool because you can mix 2 IRs in parallel without having to duplicate tracks. Our IRs are time-aligned which means you can mix them without the phase issues you would normally get mixing mics at two different distances.

Have fun.

[mtlin]

I bought the Marshall cab with the greenbacks, the Vox AC30, and the Deluxe IR's. So far I've only played with the Vox and Marshalls. They sound very nice. Some quick impressions:

The Vox IR's sound very similar to the stock cabs in the Axe-FX with a crucial difference. The stock 2x12 Brit cab with a Royer 121 sounds a little to fat and bassy for the sound I'm looking for. The Redwirez Vox with a Royer at 1" from the cone sounds very much like the stock AF cab. Since I want less bass, I selected the IR with the Royer 4" off the cap. Perfect.

The Marshall 4x12 with greenbacks sounds much better to my ears than the stock version in the AF. It's much creamier and punchier. The stock cab sounds trashier and more nasal. This is the Marshall sound I've been looking for.

The tutorial on the Redwirez site is very good. I followed their directions and I found the sounds I was looking for pretty quickly. For recording I'm going to use the room impulses with a convolution reverb. I don't need added reverb for my live sound except the onboard spring reverb simulation.

This is a very high quality product!

[redwire]

Will the new cabs be their own bundle, or will they be added to the current bundles?

We're planning on splitting them into different themed bundles. Just how we'll do it is still in the works. They'll also be a BIGBox Bundle 2.0 with everything. The price will be commensurate with the number of cabinets.

We may do a Speakerbox bundle, as well, if we sample enough cabinets.

We've got a lot cabs in the hopper. The new cabs should be sampled before the end of the year, if everything stays on track.

Thanks for your interest.

[OutterLimits]

Scott, the Bogner sound is killer ... been a Bog head for 12 years, you are nailing the XTC with that cab setup now. Great stuff ... love the way the high notes sit in there above the distortion ...

[jzgtrguy]

I am really interested in these. After a cursory look at the tutorial. I am concerned that loading these IR's onto my Ultra is just going to be too much for this Ludite.

[Scott Peterson]

Scott, the Bogner sound is killer ... been a Bog head for 12 years, you are nailing the XTC with that cab setup now. Great stuff ... love the way the high notes sit in there above the distortion ...

Cool - glad you picked up on it. The hardest thing about the Bogner thing to 'get' (without a Bogner) is that broken up crazy bottom that somehow doesn't explode and that high note sitting out there without being buzzy or lost; but cutting and holding. The mids are full of body and pack that 'grrr' that I love from them so much. The Shiva was my preferred flavor of Bogner ice cream, but I surely loved my Ecstasy Classic.

[alexgrignon]

I am really interested in these. After a cursory look at the tutorial. I am concerned that loading these IR's onto my Ultra is just going to be too much for this Ludite.

If you already know how to load a patch, you can load the IR's...it's the same process. The red wire IR's now also come converted for Axe-FX, so you just need to drop them into the User slots.

[jzgtrguy]

If you already know how to load a patch, you can load the IR's...it's the same process. The red wire IR's now also come converted for Axe-FX, so you just need to drop them into the User slots.

Really? That's great. I thought I need to get a bunch of other plugins etc.

Thanks!

[alexgrignon]

Really? That's great. I thought I need to get a bunch of other plugins etc.

Thanks!

I think that's if you want to use them in your DAW (in a reverb plugin) or if you want to combine a couple of them into new IR's.

With the AxeFX you don't need to worry about that (unless you want to). You just point to the folder where the Red Wire IR's are located in Axe-Edit's preset manager and drag them over to your Cab user slots on the AxeFX....just like a patch. Good luck!

[jzgtrguy]

I think that's if you want to use them in your DAW (in a reverb plugin) or if you want to combine a couple of them into new IR's.

With the AxeFX you don't need to worry about that (unless you want to). You just point to the folder where the Red Wire IR's are located in Axe-Edit's preset manager and drag them over to your Cab user slots on the AxeFX....just like a patch. Good luck!


I just want to use them for live FRFR applications. With what comes with the AXE I really like the Brit 4X12 25W. Anything like that in the Big box?

[mtmartin71]

I just want to use them for live FRFR applications. With what comes with the AXE I really like the Brit 4X12 25W. Anything like that in the Big box?

I like the 1960A cab w/ G12Ms which is basically the same thing. Sounds a little more present to me plus you have all sorts of options w/ mic and distances.

[Tonekat]

I've got to get these! I hadn't heard of them as I haven't been on the Fractal Forum much out of disgust for the lack of a dedicated foot controller.

[iaresee]

I like the 1960A cab w/ G12Ms which is basically the same thing. Sounds a little more present to me plus you have all sorts of options w/ mic and distances.
+1 -- with Scott's Bogner patch or my own recto orange and plexi patches that cab sounds superb. I didn't think I was a G12M kinda guy. Always went straight to V30s. I didn't know what I was missing!

[elektroglide]

We're planning on splitting them into different themed bundles. Just how we'll do it is still in the works. They'll also be a BIGBox Bundle 2.0 with everything. The price will be commensurate with the number of cabinets.

We may do a Speakerbox bundle, as well, if we sample enough cabinets.

We've got a lot cabs in the hopper. The new cabs should be sampled before the end of the year, if everything stays on track.

Thanks for your interest.

i'd be very interested to hear some other speakers in the cabs - fewer vintage 30's, more scumbacks, asw's, and alnicos...

[gdomeier]

A gold would be schweet

[pdouds]

how 'bout an asw kts-70? NICE!!!

[claudel]

I'm pretty sure I'd use a nice D130 IR a lot...

I'd squeeze it in between the Orange, 1960A and the AC30 cabs somewhere.

Great stuff.

Best add on for the Axe since I got a MOTU Traveler

[Bo Faulkner]

Those clips are stunning! That is the first really convincing sounding Deluxe Ive heard. The clips dont just sound "like" the amps. they sound like I am in the room with the amps!

[Matt Jones]

Here's a clip I made with the redwirez ac30 cabinet. So far these sound really good.

http://s298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/matthewjones0224/?action=view&current=ac30_test.flv

[pdouds]

I'm having a ball with these ir's. The p12 and tweed deluxe are a real gas, and i really dig the 1960 greenback w/the royer 121. I did a tweed thing with the p12, really put a smile on my face! I wish the axe had more user slots, though.

[iaresee]

I'm having a ball with these ir's. The p12 and tweed deluxe are a real gas, and i really dig the 1960 greenback w/the royer 121. I did a tweed thing with the p12, really put a smile on my face! I wish the axe had more user slots, though.
I'm very much diffing the Tweed Deluxe P12R w/Royer on my clean tones. It does this compression thing when you really smack the cabinet block hard that's hard to explain and unlike anything I've heard before. Highly additive.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/870088/AxeFx/pjredwirezir.mp3

[Matt Jones]

I'm very much diffing the Tweed Deluxe P12R w/Royer on my clean tones. It does this compression thing when you really smack the cabinet block hard that's hard to explain and unlike anything I've heard before. Highly additive.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/870088/AxeFx/pjredwirezir.mp3

Thanks for that iaresee. Sounds great! Have you compared the P12R with the Celestion Alnico Blue ir's? I want to purchase one of those Fender bundles bot don't want to spring for the whole bundle because I am cheap. If you have any experience in comparing the two, any advice is appreciated.

Thanks!

matt

[iaresee]

Thanks for that iaresee. Sounds great! Have you compared the P12R with the Celestion Alnico Blue ir's?
Yup. I bought the big box bundle a couple of weeks ago when Scott originally posted about these IRs. The P12Rs compress so well...they don't have the mid-range hollowness to them the Blues have. I have no good way to describe it really. Here's another take on Yellow Ledbetter but with the Blues IR I have loaded in the Axe-Fx:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/870088/AxeFx/pjredwirezblues.mp3

Clips speak a 1000 words. :) And apologies for the inconsistent playing. That, in particular, is one track I never seem to be able to play the same way twice.

IMO: that bundle is a mega deal. The G12Ms sound freaking amazing on crunchy stuff. The Recto V30 gets you the thick and heavy grind you need for filling out space with gain-heavy power chords in a one guitar band. I haven't found a use for the Orange cab yet, but I will. Surprising amount of high end content comes through when you use the Orange IRs.

So what to to with? Depends on what you need. The P12Rs sound flatter across the mids and have this really smooth top end roll off and the low end is tight. The Blues are tight in the lows, but have some scoop in the mids, and the high end roll off isn't as smooth. There's some definite spike along the top for that "chime" bit Blues are known for.

[AndrewSimon]

I'm very much diffing the Tweed Deluxe P12R w/Royer on my clean tones. It does this compression thing when you really smack the cabinet block hard that's hard to explain and unlike anything I've heard before. Highly additive.

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/870088/AxeFx/pjredwirezir.mp3

Nice tone!

:love:

[iaresee]

Nice tone!

:love:
Thank you!

[Scott Peterson]

I've gone through a LOT of playing and gigs the past two-three weeks. I'm just tickled with the results.

I have to cut clips for a review of a trio of Taylor Solid Body guitars I have here and cannot wait to get at them.

Tangible and very serious strides forward in the flat out 'body' of the tone now, very much more full to my ear than just using close mic'd IR's. It's the equivelant of listening to your amp one inch from the speaker LOUDLY versus backing off a half foot AND a few feet away or so and mixing up the results for that fullness and rounded OOMPH yet still have the 'in your face' ripping top end and presence close mic'ing adds.

And you can hear it in your IEM's or powered monitor. It's just MORE... of everything I like.

I am really REALLY liking these IR's.

I am totally convinced that, whether in the studio recording OR on the gig LIVE in the room - the IR's you use for the cabs are a MAJOR component of what you get when you run direct. Indispensable.

[iaresee]

I am totally convinced that, whether in the studio recording OR on the gig LIVE in the room - the IR's you use for the cabs are a MAJOR component of what you get when you run direct. Indispensable.
+1 - I've stopped using EQ blocks almost completely. I just flip through IRs instead.

I still haven't tried mixing a near and far IR though. Maybe tonight...

[Matt Jones]

Yup. I bought the big box bundle a couple of weeks ago when Scott originally posted about these IRs. The P12Rs compress so well...they don't have the mid-range hollowness to them the Blues have. I have no good way to describe it really. Here's another take on Yellow Ledbetter but with the Blues IR I have loaded in the Axe-Fx:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/870088/AxeFx/pjredwirezblues.mp3

Clips speak a 1000 words. :) And apologies for the inconsistent playing. That, in particular, is one track I never seem to be able to play the same way twice.

IMO: that bundle is a mega deal. The G12Ms sound freaking amazing on crunchy stuff. The Recto V30 gets you the thick and heavy grind you need for filling out space with gain-heavy power chords in a one guitar band. I haven't found a use for the Orange cab yet, but I will. Surprising amount of high end content comes through when you use the Orange IRs.

So what to to with? Depends on what you need. The P12Rs sound flatter across the mids and have this really smooth top end roll off and the low end is tight. The Blues are tight in the lows, but have some scoop in the mids, and the high end roll off isn't as smooth. There's some definite spike along the top for that "chime" bit Blues are known for.

Thanks for the review and for adding the extra clip! That was a huge help and it sounds awesome.

One more question - what amp block were you using?

matt

[iaresee]

One more question - what amp block were you using?

Tweed amp block. How 'bout I just give you the patch (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/870088/AxeFx/patches/Bang%20Bang.syx)? :D God I love being able to do this!

That's setup to use my User IR. I originally ran it with a Custom 2x12 cab and a U87 mic and it was still a very, very good sound.

[Matt Jones]

Tweed amp block. How 'bout I just give you the patch (http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/870088/AxeFx/patches/Bang%20Bang.syx)? :D God I love being able to do this!

That's setup to use my User IR. I originally ran it with a Custom 2x12 cab and a U87 mic and it was still a very, very good sound.

Gracias! I am off to buy the Deluxe ir's. :drink

[mtmartin71]

I feel like I've been chasing my tail a bit with the IRs as you can't separate them from the mics at this point. I think it might be time for me to pick one and go and I may just choose simplicity and do Mono cabs. Seems like many are using stereo in their cab blocks and using a Royer w/ an ambient room mic to get that "in-the-room" feel. Are you also using the AIR parameters if you're mixing cabs that way? Are any of you just going Mono Hi-Res with these Redwirez cabs and using AIR to give you the amp cab feel? For those using AIR, what do you typically use? I've run it at 25% with freq between 2000-3000Hz

[iaresee]

Are any of you just going Mono Hi-Res with these Redwirez cabs and using AIR to give you the amp cab feel?
Those clips I posted above are all Mono Hi-Res cabs. No air on them.

I haven't had a chance to play with IR blending yet. I don't usually touch the Air parameter in the Axe-Fx.

[Scott Peterson]

I drop in a stereo cab block -panned to center - and do adjust the 'air' to taste. I leave the Axe-FX's mic sim to 'none'.

[mtmartin71]

I drop in a stereo cab block -panned to center - and do adjust the 'air' to taste. I leave the Axe-FX's mic sim to 'none'.

I thought I read elsewhere that you were using the Royer 121 and the Stereo Room panned 50/50. Did that mean center? On the Axe FX, when you use the values of 50 that's panned hard left and hard right.

I followed Andrew Simon's method and went with a compromise of the RE 20 and the NullandWall room mics. Still trying, but this one is getting nicer to my ear.

[Scott Peterson]

I thought I read elsewhere that you were using the Royer 121 and the Stereo Room panned 50/50. Did that mean center? On the Axe FX, when you use the values of 50 that's panned hard left and hard right.

I followed Andrew Simon's method and went with a compromise of the RE 20 and the NullandWall room mics. Still trying, but this one is getting nicer to my ear.

You didn't read that from me. I only play in mono, so everything is panned center.

[mtmartin71]

You didn't read that from me. I only play in mono, so everything is panned center.

Got my sites confused...here was your quote on the Fractal Forum...

I love the varied responses, that's the key. Much like real life, there is no 'right' approach, just subjective opinions. As it SHOULD be.

For Marshall's I am using the 1960A G12M IR's. I like the Royer 121 6" off the cone and the Stereo Room with the KM84 mixed 50%/50%. Works for me. YMMV.


Your using the one cab in Mono with two different IRs, correct? So when you said 50/50, you just meant that you're centered, right? Sounds like if I'm running in mono as well, there is no need to pan the cabs within the one block.

[Scott Peterson]

Got my sites confused...here was your quote on the Fractal Forum...



Your using the one cab in Mono with two different IRs, correct? So when you said 50/50, you just meant that you're centered, right? Sounds like if I'm running in mono as well, there is no need to pan the cabs within the one block.

Yes. One cab, running stereo with two separate IR's loaded in, panned center.

[iaresee]

So when you said 50/50, you just meant that you're centered, right? Sounds like if I'm running in mono as well, there is no need to pan the cabs within the one block.
I think perhaps he meant the level of each of the cabs in the stereo block was set to equal amounts. 50% on one, 50% on the other. Both panned down the middle.

That's a guess...

[OutterLimits]

I just bought the V30 IR package, can't wait to start trying these out ... but I guess starting with Scott's setup is the most logical thing to do, it really does sound great.

[OutterLimits]

I am blown away, BLOWN away, by these IR's.

Caught wind of them a few days ago on the Fractal Forum.

Casually checked them out, decided to take the plunge (had enough sitting in the Paypal to cover the cost of their "BigBox" collection).

I've now logged some hours checking out all sorts of different IR's and pairs/quads of these Red Wirez IR's. Quite by accident, I've lucked into a strange mix that, logically, doesn't work. But damn, it does.

Here's my Bogner sound... really sounding like the best Bogner I've owned and heard recorded in my hands (just a quick mp3): http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?0mwynjyj0y0

The mix of IR's? Marshall 1960A V30s Royer 121 6" cone and (gasp!) Marshall 1960A V30s Stereo Room.

Now, I know that you are NOT supposed to use the Stereo room as an IR in the Axe. And I KNOW it should not work.

But IMHO, it's a charm.

100% direct, no post processing, and recorded in mono. One pass. More of these quickie clips to come.

I am blown away with these IR's. Very happy. www.redwirez.com (http://www.redwirez.com)


Ok, I bought the Big Box collection, seven of the cab IR series came with it ... but I only see G12M speakers for the 1960A cab under the Fractal subfolder ... where are the V30 1960A IRs? Is there another package I am missing? Or was I just really, really tired and brain dead when I looked through this last night? :eek:

BTW, the stereo IRs works real well mixed with other IRs, as you indicated ... odd ...

[iaresee]

where are the V30 1960A IRs? Is there another package I am missing? Or was I just really, really tired and brain dead when I looked through this last night? :eek:
Should be in BIGBox/Axe-Fx/Marshall1960B-V30s/...

BTW, the stereo IRs works real well mixed with other IRs, as you indicated ... odd ...
Someone explained it on the Fractal site: AlbertaA's IR --> sysex converter only converts the left channel in the IR, so you're always working with mono IRs in the Axe-Fx.

[OutterLimits]

[QUOTE=iaresee;6851839]Should be in BIGBox/Axe-Fx/Marshall1960B-V30s/...

The 1960A cabs are in there? I will have to look again ...

Thanks ...

[Scott Peterson]

Ok, I bought the Big Box collection, seven of the cab IR series came with it ... but I only see G12M speakers for the 1960A cab under the Fractal subfolder ... where are the V30 1960A IRs? Is there another package I am missing? Or was I just really, really tired and brain dead when I looked through this last night? :eek:

BTW, the stereo IRs works real well mixed with other IRs, as you indicated ... odd ...

I made a mistake on the name of the V30 cab, it's a 1960B.

[Scott Peterson]

I have spent a week or so really 'taste testing' all sorts of crazy combinations of IR's with the TOTALLY COOL Red Wirez IRMixer. From simple to as complex as I could mix and match up; and it's been a blast.

Where I ended up would require that you have the BigBox Collection and the AlnicoBlues speaker from the SpeakerBox set to 'mix up' your own to try if you so desire. They are named appropriate for the patches (also included in the zip file) that I used them in.

Anyway, if folks want to share their own 'IR recipes' here - feel free!

I've found this very fun, very exciting and am very happy with the results I ended up with.

Have fun!

The link to the IR mixer is here: http://www.redwirez.com/ir/IRmixer.zip

AlbertA's converter is here: http://guitarlogic.org/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=0 (direct link to download the file): http://guitarlogic.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=ofsd7ggmbpuu5j5gkt1gp3ag54&action=tpmod;dl=get9

The Red Wirez site is here: http://www.redwirez.com

My patches and 'IR Recipes' are here: http://www.fractalaudio.com/forum/download/file.php?id=970

[iaresee]

Where I ended up would require that you have the BigBox Collection and the AlnicoBlues speaker from the SpeakerBox set to 'mix up' your own to try if you so desire. They are named appropriate for the patches (also included in the zip file) that I used them in.
Scott, I played with your IR recipies the other night and they're really nice. The room mics mixed in are excellent. I don't have the SpeakerBox collection but saw you use the Alnico Blue from there -- what do you find it adds? High end?

Thanks again for posting those. I'll try and put some of my own up on that Fractal thread this weekend.

[lazymonday]

Just bought the Bigbox collection. Pretty good! But I think it'd be misleading for people to think these are some how the magic link for awesome tone (certainly can't go wrong with this though). I personally prefer the sound of the stock AFX 2x12 Blues over most of the Big Box's 2x12 Blues IRs so that's just an example of how good the AFX built in ones are.

The Marshall cabs, however, floored me the first time I heard them.

Anyway, it was an investment well worth it and for people hankering on the edge, Red Wirez offers a money back guarantee and individual cabs for cheap. Again, the Marshall Big Boxes are awesome so that's a good starting point right there :D.

[Scott Peterson]

Scott, I played with your IR recipies the other night and they're really nice. The room mics mixed in are excellent. I don't have the SpeakerBox collection but saw you use the Alnico Blue from there -- what do you find it adds? High end?

Thanks again for posting those. I'll try and put some of my own up on that Fractal thread this weekend.

I don't have a word to describe what I feel the Alnico Blue adds. A little 'zzaa' to the mix, a little 'happy to the laughter' if that makes any sense. :phones

[nsriley]

I know this is about Axe-fx use and these IR's....but I am using my traditional pedalboard/amp setup into a HotPlate and using it's load/direct out into my Line6 UX2 interface. How/Would I be able to use these IR's in that context. I only use Adobe Audition 1.5 as my recording software.

[fr8_trane]

You route the guitar feed to a track in audition and load the cab IR's as a vst plugin on that track. Here's the skinny

http://www.redwirez.com/tutorials.jsp

[traynor_garnet]

You route the guitar feed to a track in audition and load the cab IR's as a vst plugin on that track. Here's the skinny

http://www.redwirez.com/tutorials.jsp

Awesome, cannot wait to try this once I get my new laptop!

I've tried most attenuators but at whisper levels, a real speaker just doesn't sound "right" (not getting hit with enough signal). I am hoping a line level signal through a simulated cab will finally allow me to use my tube amp at very low volumes. Ah, the joys of apartment living . . .

TG

[guitarlix]

I must admit, the sounds that I'm hearing in this thread are incredible and almost indistinguishable from real amps.

I can almost sense the 'feel' even through mp3 clips.

Now only if this were a cheaper product that had a better user interface. I'd want to use something like this for fx only, amp modelling + fx and amp modelling + cab modelling + fx. And the user interface needs to cater to this right up front without having to dig through menus.

[Matt Jones]

I must admit, the sounds that I'm hearing in this thread are incredible and almost indistinguishable from real amps.

I can almost sense the 'feel' even through mp3 clips.

Now only if this were a cheaper product that had a better user interface. I'd want to use something like this for fx only, amp modelling + fx and amp modelling + cab modelling + fx. And the user interface needs to cater to this right up front without having to dig through menus.

Have you tried one? There's no digging through menus to get some really good sounds. Within five minutes I can have a really good sounding patch put together and one push of a button gets you access to all the amp/cab/fx blocks in the patch. One more push gets you to the basic controls in the blocks. It's as in-depth (or not) as you want it to be. I choose to keep it pretty simple.

[bryan k]

sorry to dig up and old thread.......but......

Just downloaded the ENGL and 5150 BIgbox impulses.......freaking great!

Used the IRMixer, and got such sweet results for a modern rock tone.....

ENGL_TAB57_coneEdge0"-40%
5150_TAB57_coneEdge0"-30%
ENGL_TC30_RoomL-30%

[Scott Peterson]

OK folks - straight off the stove and outta the rabbit hole.

Went back and using the most EXCELLENT little mixer app on the Red Wire site (registered owners only-just cut and paste the recipes below; name it and click "mix". Download the "syx" file and send it to your Axe_FX at the user slot you want to use) I came up with a slew of mixed cabs to use as mono hi-resolution cabs.

And without further ado, here is what I am using:

Killer Mix IR Recipes 12 09 2010

GreeenbackMarshallBackCabRoom:
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
BasketweaveG12M20s-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-KM84-BackCab-1in.wav,0.05
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-KM84-Room-L.wav,0.025
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-KM84-Room-R.wav,0.025


BognerV30BackCabRoom:
Uberkab-T75V30-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Uberkab-V30-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.05
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025


VoxBackCabRoom:
VoxAC30Blues-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
VoxAC30Silvers-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
VoxAC30Silvers-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.05
VoxAC30Silvers-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
VoxAC30Silvers-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025


FenderTwinBackCabRoom:
TwinD120s-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
TwinJensenC12N-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
TwinD120s-TC30-Back-6in.wav,0.05
TwinJensenC12N-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
TwinJensenC12N-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025


FenderDeluxeBackCabRoom:
TweedDeluxeP12R-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
TweedDeluxeBlue-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
TweedDeluxeP12R-TC30-Back-2m.wav,0.05
TweedDeluxeBlue-KM84-Room-L.wav,0.025
TweedDeluxeBlue-KM84-Room-R.wav,0.025

MatchlessBackCabRoom:
Matchless-G12H30-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Matchless-G12M25-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Matchless-G12H30M25-TC30-Back-6in.wav,0.05
Matchless-G12H30M25-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
Matchless-G12H30M25-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025


BassmanBackCabRoom:
BassmanP10Qs-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.90
BassmanP10Qs-TC30-Back-6in.wav,0.05
BassmanP10Qs-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
BassmanP10Qs-TC30-RoomR.wav.wav,0.025


SoldanoBackCabRoom:
Soldano412BLegendV12s-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.90
Soldano412BLegendV12s-TC30-Back-6in.wav,0.05
Soldano412BLegendV12s-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
Soldano412BLegendV12s-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025


OrangeBackCabRoom:
Orange4x12-V30s-SM57-CapEgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.90
Orange4x12-V30s-KM84-BackOfCab-3in.wav,0.05
Orange4x12-V30s-KM84-Room-L.wav,0.025
Orange4x12-V30s-KM84-Room-R.wav,0.025


Mixed Celestion BackCabRoom:
Uberkab-V30-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
BasketweaveG12H30s-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-Back-6in.wav,0.05
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
BasketweaveG12H30s-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025


CelestionG12LV30BackCabRoom
Basketweave-G12Ls-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Uberkab-V30-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Basketweave-G12Ls-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.05
Basketweave-G12Ls-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
Basketweave-G12Ls-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025


CelestionG12LV30BackCabRoom2
Basketweave-G12Ls-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Uberkab-V30-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.45
Basketweave-G12Ls-TC30-Back-0in.wav,0.05
Basketweave-G12Ls-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025

[Dancing Frog]

:bow

[echo44]

Thanks for your work!!!

[Scott Peterson]

Here's what I ended up keeping and running with after my "Rethink/Rebuild/Rework" this past month:

Celestion G12M V30 Ref Mix4
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.85
Uberkab-V30-TC30-CapEdge-0in.wav,0.05
BasketweaveG12M20s-TC30-Back-12in.wav,0.05
BasketweaveG12M20s-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
BasketweaveG12M20s-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025

V30 Ref Mix4
Uberkab-V30-TC30-CapEdge-0in.wav,0.05
Uberkab-V30-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.85
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-Back-12in.wav,0.05
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
Uberkab-T75V30-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025

Matchless 212 Ref Mix4
Matchless-G12H30M25-TC30-CapEdge-0in.wav,0.05
Matchless-G12H30M25-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.85
Matchless-G12H30M25-TC30-Back-12in.wav,0.05
Matchless-G12H30M25-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
Matchless-G12H30M25-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025

Bassman 410 Ref Mix4
BassmanP10Qs-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.85
BassmanP10Qs-TC30-CapEdge-0in.wav,0.05
BassmanP10Qs-TC30-Back-12in.wav,0.05
BassmanP10Qs-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
BassmanP10Qs-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025

Fender Deluxe Ref Mix4
TweedDeluxeBlue-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.85
TweedDeluxeP12R-TC30-CapEdge-0in.wav,0.05
TweedDeluxeBlue-TC30-Back-2m.wav,0.05
TweedDeluxeBlue-KM84-Room-L.wav,0.025
TweedDeluxeBlue-KM84-Room-R.wav,0.025

Fender Twin 212 Ref Mix4
TwinD120s-TC30-CapEdge-0in.wav,0.05
TwinJensenC12N-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.85
TwinD120s-TC30-Back-12in.wav,0.05
TwinD120s-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
TwinD120s-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025

Vox 212 Ref Mix4
VoxAC30Blues-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.85
VoxAC30Silvers-TC30-CapEdge-0in.wav,0.05
VoxAC30Silvers-TC30-Back-12in.wav,0.05
VoxAC30Silvers-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
VoxAC30Silvers-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025

Greenback 412 Ref Mix4
Marshall1960A-G12Ms-SM57-CapEdgeOffAxis-2in.wav,0.85
BasketweaveG12M25s-TC30-CapEdge-0in.wav,0.05
BasketweaveG12M25s-TC30-Back-12in.wav,0.05
BasketweaveG12M25s-TC30-RoomL.wav,0.025
BasketweaveG12M25s-TC30-RoomR.wav,0.025