What's so special about the M3000's delay?

[ultraboy]

Just saw a pic of petrucci's new rig and it has three M3000 delays. Why does he chose that delay? It's advertised as a reverb unit and it's really for studio productions, so what gives?

[storm319]

I am a sound tech and the venue I work at has a TC M2000 which is a dual channel multi unit. I assume this would sound similar to the M3000. I will say it is a very pristine sounding unit. We also have a TC DTwo delay which I think sounds better for strait delay than the M2000 but has major reliability issues. This was also on vocals as well :)

Petrucci was known for using the TC 2290 for years.

[ultraboy]

I am a sound tech and the venue I work at has a TC M2000 which is a dual channel multi unit. I assume this would sound similar to the M3000. I will say it is a very pristine sounding unit. We also have a TC DTwo delay which I think sounds better for strait delay than the M2000 but has major reliability issues. This was also on vocals as well :)

Petrucci was known for using the TC 2290 for years.

Yeah, I knew he'd been using the 2290 for a long time. Just wonder why he would switch from that to the M3000. :messedup

[solitaire]

Just saw a pic of petrucci's new rig and it has three M3000 delays. Why does he chose that delay? It's advertised as a reverb unit and it's really for studio productions, so what gives?Going specifically with a t.c. electronic M3000 for delays only lack any sense of logic what so ever, the unit developed primarilly for reverb. The other features are not particularly refined of this reason. I agree the delay is likely to be the same as that of the M2000 and D-2, except for perhaps the bit-depth, samplerate and converters.

[ultraboy]

Going specifically with a t.c. electronic M3000 for delays only lack any sense of logic what so ever, the unit developed primarilly for reverb. The other features are not particularly refined of this reason. I agree the delay is likely to be the same as that of the M2000 and D-2, except for perhaps the bit-depth, samplerate and converters.

He was asked in an interview about it and I qoute:

John: I use a TC Electronic M3000 unit for all of the delays.

MPc: What’s your main reverb unit now?

John: I don’t really use reverb, to be honest with you. It’s not my favorite effect on guitar. If I were going to use it, I might use the M3000 for reverb.

[Shredmonster]

I have one. I use it with my amp. It sounds really really good.

Lots of great pre-sets and useable sounds. Not overbearing or overprocessed.

I don't think you can buy a better reverb unit at any price.

As for why someone would switch from the 2290 to this - that does not make sense to me cause this is mostly a reverb unit.

[zachman]

I have one. I use it with my amp. It sounds really really good.

Lots of great pre-sets and useable sounds. Not overbearing or overprocessed.

I don't think you can buy a better reverb unit at any price.

As for why someone would switch from the 2290 to this - that does not make sense to me cause this is mostly a reverb unit.

JP wasn't using the 2290 for delay, rather for chorus

[ultraboy]

Back to the original question. Why would he use the M3000, which is mainly a reverb unit, for his delays? Is there something that the M3000's delay offers that others don't?

[tatter]

You can gradually morph between two different presets on the M3000 i believe. I don't know whether this is something that would be useful?

[movingpictures]

Maybe he likes the sound?? i suggest going to the TC website and find out the differences... or look here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKMYeXkYcgs&feature=PlayList&p=86CE11472F7AA180&index=0&playnext=1

[drfrankencopter]

Old rig:
http://www.johnpetrucci.com/images/gear/IMG_0798.jpg
New rig:
http://www.johnpetrucci.com/images/gear/bcsl2009/right_rack.jpg

No clue as to why the change but here are some of the changes:
TC2290 and Eventide Timefactor are gone. These appear to be replaced with the TC1210 chorus, and a couple more M3000's.

Maybe he's chaining the M3000's and Eventide Harmonizer together digitally...or maybe he wanted true stereo.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again here, that the TC2290 isn't the holy grail of delays. It's a good delay, but but back when I had one I never really heard any magic from it (I liked the Chorus and ADT settings the best actually).

Cheers

Kris

[zachman]

Back to the original question. Why would he use the M3000, which is mainly a reverb unit, for his delays? Is there something that the M3000's delay offers that others don't?

Possible reasons:

* Despite being a Reverb unit, it (obviously) 'also' functions as a delay unit, which suites his needs.
* Bulk order price break
* Availability-- at the time of building his rig, and if one goes down- replacing it isn't such a hassle.
* Reliability

As to: "Is there something that the M3000's delay offers that others don't?" You mean other than Reverb? Perhaps he utilizes the ability to affect the diffusion of the reverb w/ predelay times to smear the delay affect/effect. He does still have the Eventide H7600-- which does VERY nice delays as well.

We know that JP likes using 2 separate delay time settings on L/R frequently-- (Something the 2290 doesn't do, but he was suing the 2290 for chorus, not delays. Perhaps he is using them for that reason, along with others.

Speculation aside, one thing is sure: He is using the M3000 because it suites his needs.