View Full Version : Even the new dumble book is overpriced. Are they kidding?
wedewer
10-06-2009, 07:38 PM
Just read in the Dec. 2009 issue of Guitar player that the new dumble book is ready for distribution. Its being published in Europe, so with the current exchange rate it comes in at 215.00. It says its made of some of the finest paper, printing and binding. And... a big part of the book was handmade. Sounds just like the amp.
I can't believe the hype has gotten all the way to the book level.
Hopefully there are a few smaller publishers printing clones as we speak.
RichSZ
10-06-2009, 07:40 PM
Hopefully there are a few smaller publishers printing clones as we speak.
:roll
Shark Sandwich
10-06-2009, 08:06 PM
I'm no fan of dumb-bell, but if you drop 50k on an amp then a book for $215.00 is practically FREE!
The Last Rebel
10-06-2009, 08:15 PM
Are you kidding me? It was written in a crystal lattice. They preserve the fragile clauses and abverbs MUCH better.
dividedsky
10-06-2009, 11:11 PM
Hopefully there are a few smaller publishers printing clones as we speak.
I know you are joking but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see a pdf version of it floating around before too long.
Roccaforte Amps
10-06-2009, 11:17 PM
I doubt there will be any schematics in it. :rimshot
Are you kidding me? It was written in a crystal lattice. They preserve the fragile clauses and abverbs MUCH better.
:banana
I love it!
dc
tokiswartooth
10-07-2009, 12:00 AM
TAG should be along soon, talking about haunting mids, saying Two Rock has a book similar that almost meets the real thing. Then he will pay 215.00, saying it really is better. With haunting mids.
LZ_69
10-07-2009, 12:02 AM
Interesting... My Vox book was $150 including schematics and has more then double the pages... Sounds like it a rip off to me.
jimfog
10-07-2009, 12:05 AM
I tried to buy one, but was told Harlequin Romances might suit my reading style better.
:cry:
tokiswartooth
10-07-2009, 12:11 AM
The schamatic drawings will have black goop on them, the ownership will have a trial to deterine if yoy are worthy, and 4 years plus money upfront for proper alignment of Printing Neutrons. Service is not offered, unless you make 20 million a year.
rhinocaster
10-07-2009, 12:12 AM
Is anyone here in the small production printing industry?
A custom made, professionally produced, individually numbered, color plate filled, 323 page, limited edition book is not inexpensive to produce. It's actually very expensive to produce.
Shoot, a crappy, coil bound, 100 page, color copy, hand laid, non numbered book can cost you $100.
I'm not saying that the book is worth it, but I seriously doubt that anyone is getting rich here. This is a custom book created for owners and fans of a supremely limited amp. It's just not going to be affordable.
dr.morton
10-07-2009, 12:16 AM
Is anyone here in the small production printing industry?
A custom made, professionally produced, individually numbered, color plate filled, 323 page, limited edition book is not inexpensive to produce. It's actually very expensive to produce.
Shoot, a crappy, coil bound, 100 page, color copy, hand laid, non numbered book can cost you $100.
I'm not saying that the book is worth it, but I seriously doubt that anyone is getting rich here. This is a custom book created for owners and fans of a supremely limited amp. It's just not going to be affordable.
x 2
...and taken all the time that is going in such a project and the limited potential in customers I think the price is OK.
Blame the low dollar for a hefty upcharge.
thesjkexperienc
10-07-2009, 10:32 AM
From what I read about the research, photos and binding quality it is probably worth it if Dumbles are your thing. The market for that book is VERY limited and they need to make some profit. Just not from me as Dumbles are not my thing. A Swart book on the other hand...
Doug H
10-07-2009, 10:34 AM
Just read in the Dec. 2009 issue of Guitar player that the new dumble book is ready for distribution. Its being published in Europe, so with the current exchange rate it comes in at 215.00. It says its made of some of the finest paper, printing and binding. And... a big part of the book was handmade. Sounds just like the amp.
I can't believe the hype has gotten all the way to the book level.
And you're shocked? Really, would you expect anything else?
Garygtr
10-07-2009, 10:36 AM
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=463731&highlight=schwarz
Well, the Vox book was $195, but you get all the schematics, and a nifty mini amp stand to put your book on. That's getting bang for your buck!
http://www.voxguidebook.com/orderdetail.html
Heck, I'm tempted daily to drop the $85 for the bare bones version.
teleharmonium
10-07-2009, 10:53 AM
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Travst
10-07-2009, 11:08 AM
After my audition to buy the book, I was told I lacked both speed and comprehension and didn't qualify to make the purchase.
After my audition to buy the book, I was told I lacked both speed and comprehension and didn't qualify to make the purchase.
Yes, and you can't sell it w/o permission...
dc
Travst
10-07-2009, 11:12 AM
Another example of the man keepin' me down.
zzmoore
10-07-2009, 11:48 AM
After my audition to buy the book, I was told I lacked both speed and comprehension and didn't qualify to make the purchase.
Thank You -
That fulfilled my laughter quota for the month. My Crate V18 cost less than that book. And it is a pretty decent sounding amp.
No problem, as mentioned earlier that is not a whole lot of money for a book of that type and quality. Just part of the Dumble, Bumble, Fumble, subculture that exists in todays music society.
rogwerks
10-07-2009, 11:50 AM
wat is the tone of the book?
teemuk
10-07-2009, 12:47 PM
So, each copy of the book must be hand-written in candlelight on the finest NOS pergament. Printed book on a regular paper would lack all the fragile nuances that give each letter its unique bloom and detail. Naturally, you can customise the content with the author so that it is exactly what you want to read. No two books are the same.
What I'm more interested to hear is are there any famous blues or jazz artists who have read this book, e.g. Santana or Robben Ford. SRV must have undoubtedly read it post mortem.
Julia343
10-07-2009, 01:01 PM
Were they hand-written in a monastery on parchment? Is there a copy in Latin?
midnightlaundry
10-07-2009, 01:14 PM
Who cares. It's an overpriced book about overpriced amps that essentially no one has played; that were designed by a irresponsibly reclusive man.
Furthermore, if there were enough amps accesible to the everyday player for comparison, I bet they wouldn't be so revered. There's no reason to covet un obtainable items perpetuated by doushy old guys, playing the same tired, and reheated licks...
I'll take a modern design, built by mature individuals that don't live in caves.
Doug H
10-07-2009, 01:34 PM
Furthermore, if there were enough amps accesible to the everyday player for comparison, I bet they wouldn't be so revered. There's no reason to covet un obtainable items perpetuated by doushy old guys, playing the same tired, and reheated licks...
Oh come on man, I wanna hear some more of this modal noodling over slow blues. You know, with all the midrange and the "touchy" playing. That's so cool. -<DING!>- Oh wait a minute... Here's my floor. See ya later!!
fazen
10-07-2009, 01:48 PM
Will Henry Kaiser demo how to read the book in a way not understandable by mere mortal players.
After my audition to buy the book, I was told I lacked both speed and comprehension and didn't qualify to make the purchase.
I am SO upset that you beat me to this one.
:thud
teemuk
10-07-2009, 02:37 PM
Will Henry Kaiser demo how to read the book in a way not understandable by mere mortal players.
I think he will actually demo it by having Orson Welles read excerptions of the book while Kaiser simultaneously reads it in a stuttering voice, backwards, in gibberish, all the while scraping blackboard with his nails. Yoko Ono will be performing improvised "singing" along with him. :bong
macmax77
10-07-2009, 02:59 PM
ohhh, the sound those pages make when you turn them to the left, or at least a few golden ears can really hear them sing!
Doug's Tubes
10-07-2009, 03:05 PM
I have the book, and I can't read it. The pages are gunked shut.
Travst
10-07-2009, 03:06 PM
That's because YOU didn't sign the non-disclosure agreement.
TopDog
10-07-2009, 03:22 PM
Thanks for the laughs..
some seriously funny s**t in these posts...
Billion81
10-07-2009, 03:46 PM
Who cares. It's an overpriced book about overpriced amps that essentially no one has played; that were designed by a irresponsibly reclusive man.
Furthermore, if there were enough amps accesible to the everyday player for comparison, I bet they wouldn't be so revered. There's no reason to covet un obtainable items perpetuated by doushy old guys, playing the same tired, and reheated licks...
I'll take a modern design, built by mature individuals that don't live in caves.
You're my hero!!! I shall repeat these paragraphs upon sight of new dumble threads.
wedewer
10-07-2009, 03:48 PM
I am waiting for the second printing. The hot rubber paperback.
teemuk
10-07-2009, 04:02 PM
I wonder if that book (which is really just a modified version of "The Fender Amp Book") will end up having a similar success story as Dumble amps. A selected few of people buy them at an moderately expensive price, but after about 20 years these books end up in sale in ebay for 100000$ with advertisements like "This book is in pristine condition, it's only been read for few minutes in its lifetime".
pedalcr8z
10-07-2009, 05:09 PM
But it was written by this guy!!!!!!!!!!http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e51/hifivic/Guitars%20and%20Amps/guitar-solos1.jpg
bluesdoc
10-07-2009, 05:23 PM
doushy ....
What a great word! New to me, and I'm a word guy :). New favorite word of the day :D
Sorry for the hijack..... :huh:dunno
jon
rjhalsey
10-07-2009, 05:49 PM
I sure there are several here that are waiting with baited breath. 215.00! give me a break!:nuts
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