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DylanGuitar
10-11-2009, 01:37 AM
Looking for an el-84 recommendation.
What I'm looking for is:
Lot's of headroom
Big and tight bass
Present highs without sounding brittle.
Will not crap out or overcompress when hit with overdrive/distortion or with hot pickups. (Very important)
Also, I play a lot, so I'm not really looking to spend an arm and a leg on NOS tubes that I'm going to have to be constantly replacing. So I guess my choices are limited to current production tubes.


I've been using JJ's and have been relatively happy, but as I have never really tried a bunch of other tubes to make a comparison, I just want to get a feel for what's out there.

Thanks!

Dylan

Ming Chow
10-11-2009, 06:43 AM
With my 2 EL84 amps, AC15 and Club Royale. Well 3 if you count my VJ. I've done JJ, EHX, Sovtek, GT and Mullard. I keep going back to the JJs.

spyeman
10-11-2009, 06:52 AM
JJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJJ = very good, not going to find better in new production.

rockon1
10-11-2009, 07:19 AM
http://thetubestore.com/russianel84m.html


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sricabla
10-11-2009, 07:26 AM
Has anyone used the reissue Mullard EL 84's? I've been using the JJ's and I'm happy with them but maybe want to try something else.

arthur rotfeld
10-11-2009, 07:37 AM
I'm not so sure it has all those qualities that you are looking for (for example big tight bass isn't exactly what I think of when I think EL-84), but I got turned onto TAD tubes here and I've been very pleased with them.

tcmono
10-11-2009, 07:59 AM
I've got the Mullards in a Blues Jr., early breakup, lots of comression - but that's what I was looking for, so I really like them.

JJ's are best for what you're looking for.

slider313
10-11-2009, 08:08 AM
Try a set of SovTek EL84M's. I believe these are the only tube Matchless will use in their EL84 amps. They are a more robust tube and can take up to 400 volts.

rockon1
10-11-2009, 08:16 AM
Try a set of SovTek EL84M's. I believe these are the only tube Matchless will use in their EL84 amps. They are a more robust tube and can take up to 400 volts.


+1 but try the older versions.

http://thetubestore.com/russianel84m.html

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spyeman
10-11-2009, 08:48 AM
I will say I bought a pair of Roznov's which are early JJ/Tesla's, made in the 60's 70's, they are relatively cheap at $25 a tube and sound great as well as current JJ's.

sevenflatfive
10-12-2009, 02:17 PM
I'm not trying to de-rail the post but it sounds like you want bigger bottle tubes (ie el-34s, KT-77s, 6L6, etc... These can provide more "oomph" and less sparkle.

what amp are you using? Perhaps you could try a higher powered amp by the same manufacturer (with the bigger tubes) to compare?

If I'm off-base... than just ignore me... :)

neville5000
10-13-2009, 02:36 AM
+1 on the JJ's.

Deadduck
10-13-2009, 08:28 AM
Looking for an el-84 recommendation.
What I'm looking for is:
Lot's of headroom
Big and tight bass
Present highs without sounding brittle.
Will not crap out or overcompress when hit with overdrive/distortion or with hot pickups. (Very important)


Sounds like you're looking for a 6L6 ;)

Seriously though, I like the JJ's too.

pickaguitar
10-13-2009, 08:29 AM
Every JJ I have bought rattle :(

WTF!!!

DylanGuitar
10-13-2009, 12:07 PM
thanks for the input everyone. I'll check out the older sovtechs.
Not looking to change the amp. Just want to get a sense of how other el84's will react with my amp. Maybe swapping out v1 will effect the bass as well?

thanks

Dylan

deluxe83
10-13-2009, 12:33 PM
take yer jj's and throw em in the garbage. :)
seriously, i got some 70's Saratov EL84M's that are unreal. Very mullard-esque. and the quad cost me $60. They will put a smile on your face. Give Terry Kilgore a call. He can hook you up with a quad. If you need his info, send me a PM.

cugel
10-13-2009, 02:07 PM
i use TADs
no complaints but i want to try some russian military grades from tejas tubes (no affil)

rockon1
10-13-2009, 02:13 PM
take yer jj's and throw em in the garbage. :)
seriously, i got some 70's Saratov EL84M's that are unreal. Very mullard-esque. and the quad cost me $60. They will put a smile on your face. Give Terry Kilgore a call. He can hook you up with a quad. If you need his info, send me a PM.

Are those the same as these? Bob

http://i36.tinypic.com/noft35.jpg

Mike9
10-13-2009, 03:45 PM
I have a quad of those and they are very robust tubes. I can sell them if you need them. I have a quad of General Rohren (Reflektor) Russian tubes and they are nice too (also for sale), but the quad of Telam's I have in my UG30 prototype are extremely nice.

mclmk8d
10-13-2009, 07:55 PM
take yer jj's and throw em in the garbage. :)
seriously, i got some 70's Saratov EL84M's that are unreal. Very mullard-esque. and the quad cost me $60. They will put a smile on your face. Give Terry Kilgore a call. He can hook you up with a quad. If you need his info, send me a PM.

+100000 on the Saratovs from Terry. I put them in my TW Rocket clone and they made a world of difference. They replaced some Russian Mullards.

rockon1
10-14-2009, 03:15 AM
+100000 on the Saratovs from Terry. I put them in my TW Rocket clone and they made a world of difference. They replaced some Russian Mullards.

Are they the same as these-or earlier?


http://i36.tinypic.com/noft35.jpg

deluxe83
10-14-2009, 08:19 AM
Are they the same as these-or earlier?


http://i36.tinypic.com/noft35.jpg

Different. They have some gold Russian military logo on them.

frquent flyer
10-15-2009, 05:43 AM
I had JJ s in my Ac 15 and the sound was great.