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duckbunny
11-29-2009, 10:22 AM
I saw this article by Barry Petchesky, and thought it interesting, to say the least.

Bud Selig: Retrospecticus.

In honor of the commish starting a three year countdown clock until retirement, I thought it would be instructive to take a look at his tenure a fair and thorough manner: bullet points!

Allan Huber Selig gave us the Wild Card, two new teams in the Sun Belt, and landed MLB hugely impressive TV deals. Is that enough to overcome the myriad fiascoes? Let's take a stroll down memory lane...

•Led a secretive group of owners ("The Great Lakes Gang") in pushing for commissioner Fay Vincent's ouster. As the most vocal, he became de facto acting commissioner.
•After one year in office, rescinded George Steinbrenner's lifelong suspension. Denied that the fact that the suspension was handed down by Fay Vincent had anything to do with it.
•Upheld, to this day, Pete Rose's lifelong suspension, despite overwhelming public opinion. Denied that the fact that the suspension was handed down by close friend Bart Giamatti had anything to do with it.
•Oversaw the 1994 strike.
•Opened the door for replacement players.
•Gave us interleague play, which, for every White Sox/Cubs game gives us Pirates/Rays and Padres/Athletics games.
•To compensate for 1998's expansion, one AL team had to move to the NL, with a considerable financial advantage. Selig's Brewers were selected.
•Though acting commissioner for the past six years, Selig continued to operate the Brewers. Upon officially being named commissioner, Selig transferred his ownership interest to his daughter. Many suspected he continued to make decisions for the team up until their sale in 2004.
•Threw daughter under the bus, claiming the Brewers' disastrous performance under Wendy Selig-Prieb is proof that he was no longer running the team after 1992.
•Helped to write the hagiographies of Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa and Barry Bonds. Perhaps they should have been fact checked first.
•Saw the NFL institute an almost-total instant replay policy in 1999. Nine years later, introduced instant replay only for home run calls.
•Two days after the thrilling and inspiring 2001 World Series, held a vote on contracting the Twins and Expos. Was charged with racketeering and settled the case outside of court. Got the Expos moved anyway.
•Oversaw the 2002 All-Star Game in which both sides ran out of players. From then on, the ASG determined home field advantage in the World Series. The National League has yet to win home field advantage.
•Commissioned the Mitchell Report, led by Director of the Red Sox, and which seemed to rely on two sources and revealed nothing new.
•Failed miserably at keeping a secret list of steroid users secret. Fans now look forward to the annual reveal of superstar names.
•Saw other sports praised for their parity; oversaw an uncapped league where one team regularly spends six times as much as others.
•Made sure October baseball regularly ends after midnight.
•Made sure October baseball regularly ends in November.



With a record like that, he's a lock to join Bowie Kuhn in the Hall of Fame.

-db

Bankston
11-29-2009, 11:01 AM
No matter what good things he's done, there are two huge blackmarks on his record that will be his legacy.

Steriods and canceling the '94 World Series.

blood5150
11-29-2009, 12:26 PM
Cool. Now maybe Pete Rose will have a chance to get into the HOF.

Cobra
11-29-2009, 12:31 PM
Good riddance, & none too soon!!
Whada friggin zipperhead!!!

Trandy
11-29-2009, 01:00 PM
The man is a disgrace.

getbent
11-29-2009, 01:09 PM
Bud Selig makes Bowie Kuhn look like U Thant.

sovtekking
11-29-2009, 01:22 PM
The man is a disgrace.

/end thread here!! Baseball needs new life and new management and this guy isnt and never was it.

derekd
11-29-2009, 01:44 PM
Funny, but I see it the other way. I do agree that he has had some goofy gaffes. However, I will give you the other side of the coin from your list. If I omitted an item, I don't disagree with you on it.

Steinbrenner, while an ass, has done a ton for MLB. I didn't agree with the ban to begin with.
Public opinion about Rose shouldn't count for squat. The man bet on baseball, and games he managed. Let him in post mortem.
Selig has presided over the longest period of labor peace in modern times. Ueberroth got caught in the big collusion case, but also reinstated Mays and Mantle after Kuhn heavy handedly booted them. Kuhn struggled with much more labor problems, and Vincent didn't make the owners enough $, originally floated the idea of realignment, with the Cubs & Cards moving. He lost confidence of the owners due to his handling of tv contracts and player salaries, and voted him out 18-9.
Interleague play continues to be highly popular among fans, as evidenced by attendance #'s. Yes, there are some dogs, but there are also league dogs.
My Royals were given first shot at moving, before the Brewers. They declined. Nonissue to me.
His Commissioner/owner duties are a nonissue to me. Not like the Brewers were regularly running away with the division before or after his ownership.
To lay the whole steroid thing at one person's feet is at best misguided. Where is the same angst for commissioners past for rampant amphetamine use among players?
I am with you about instant replay, but do you think any other Commissioner before him would have done it? I sincerely doubt it. Besides, the GMs just voted not to expand it. If there is no push from the GMs or owners, why would the commish change what isn't wanted?
Expos were dying on the vine and were a glorified farm club for the rest of the league. The Twins was something else, not sure what it was, but something was amiss there.
I remember the 2002 ASG, and I have no issue with what he did. At that time it was an exhibition game only, and why in the world would you risk the health of pitchers by allowing them back for an exhibition game?
By giving the ASG winning league home field advantage for the WS, you give these guys something more to play for than the tv time. I like the change. NL over all is a weaker league the past few years, hence they continue to lose.
With the Senate breathing down MLB's neck, they did the best they could do, and now have the most comprehensive drug testing program of all the major US pro sports. Where was the Senate when the NFL was full of steroid laden players? Was a witch hunt imo.
Confidential test results were confiscated by the FBI. Not sure how anyone from MLB or PA could stop that. Court order trumps.
He also oversaw the largest increase in MLB revenues ever, and all have benefited, including the players. I have said it before. He was paid to make a bunch of very wealthy old men even wealthier. Mission accomplished.

FiestaRed
11-29-2009, 01:47 PM
Bob Costas for Commissioner!

Jon C
11-29-2009, 01:48 PM
Selig is, always has been, and never will be more than a used car salesman.

Good riddance!

MudPies
11-29-2009, 01:50 PM
To someone who's never payed attention to much of MLB Bud has always seemed like the Vince McMahon of MLB.

coldfingaz
11-29-2009, 01:59 PM
Way too little way too late. Wonder how much more damage he'll do in the next couple years.

I still love the game, but in no other commish's era has it been so tainted by a guy that let the union bulldoze over him time & time again while burying his head in the sand & allowing irreparable harm done to the game.

All that said, he's carried just a slight conflict of interest throughout his, uh, reign.

BuckeyeBrown
11-29-2009, 02:17 PM
Bob Costas for Commissioner!

How about Peter Gammons?

I've been waiting for Selig to go for a long time.

Trandy
11-29-2009, 02:52 PM
Bob Costas for Commissioner!

Not a bad thought actually.

Costas does love the game....and he is quite knowledgeable.

He sure as hell couldn't do any worse then Selig.

The Last Rebel
11-29-2009, 03:00 PM
I'm really not much of a baseball fan, but even I don't like Selig. I think he's a slimy little weasel and I'll be glad to see him go.

todd richman
11-29-2009, 05:34 PM
Good!!! Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out! Remember the fiasco in Philly Bud-thank God it didn't cost us the Series in 2008.

FlyingDutchman
11-29-2009, 06:04 PM
How about Peter Gammons?

I've been waiting for Selig to go for a long time.

I like the idea alot! Gammons is the man.

Selig should have been gone years ago. Im looking forward to a new version of MLB. Selig is why the MLB is old..

coldfingaz
11-29-2009, 06:52 PM
I like the idea alot! Gammons is the man.

Yup, I'd love to see that.

Please... anyone but Costas! He might love the game, but so does Billy Crystal.

Gammons is a rocker, too!

http://hotstovecoolmusic.org/photos/web_2005b/images/P1080021.jpg

http://hotstovecoolmusic.org/photos/web_2006c/images/HSCM%2706%20PG%20Allstars16%28r%29.jpg

:bow

duckbunny
11-29-2009, 08:06 PM
Bob Costas for Commissioner!

How about Peter Gammons?



Both men have too much dignity to become the owners' mouthpiece (remember, the comissioner's salary is literally paid by the owners). Ueberrroth is just the kind of smarmy rubber-stamp the owners love, and has a track record of anti-union action, but he is probably too old to be considered. They'll no doubt install another shady yes-man like Kuhn or Selig to do their bidding.


-db

blood5150
11-29-2009, 08:37 PM
Peter Gammons

http://umpbump.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/gammons1.jpg


Andrew Jackson

http://www.christiangallery.com/Andrew_jackson_20bill.jpg

sodapopinski
11-30-2009, 12:45 AM
No matter what good things he's done, there are two huge blackmarks on his record that will be his legacy.

Steriods and canceling the '94 World Series.

i agree... the best thing to do is to forget his name once he retires...