This is the tone [Archive]

kingjoemom

12-09-2009, 02:42 PM

Hey everyone, I just wanted to share something with you, I'm not exactly sure what type of thread this actually is but here goes...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VINDziuRJYA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sixvGb4Qb6U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyA_BNIcIZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePaIr1GWoYg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi4d63k1rsc&feature=related

These vids are in order by the way.

So this is the exact tone that is in my head every day. When I'm at school, and when I'm sitting at home either playing the guitar or on The Gear Page. I hope you guys like this sound also, some of you may agree with me and think it's the greatest sound ever, or some of you may think it's just noise.

So I guess the point of this thread is just for you to see if you like this tone, and also if you could tell me exact amplifiers that get this tone or for fun you could post your amplifiers that you think give you this sound.

I'm sorry if this thread is totally pointless and useless but it's a tool for me and maybe for someone else out there to fiind out more about amps and the way they behave and sound.

Thanks so much guys. :) :) :) you rock.

:munch

EDIT: Yes I am aware that a Marshall Plexi or a Wizard Classic could get my this kinda tone. But I dont have 4K to shell out on an amp, I need something that would be a good bedroom type amp..

MBreinin

12-09-2009, 03:08 PM

You can get that kind of tone out of a myriad of Marshalls that don't cost 4k. I assume you are referring to Angus' tone, not Malcolm's? I bet that new little Class 5 could get in this ballpark.

'70s JMPs do this well, but they are not bedroom amps. You need an attenuator at least.

kingjoemom

12-09-2009, 03:24 PM

Well I've heard great tone comes from the Class 5 it's just theres the infamous tube rattle? Oh and on the note of small wattage tubes amps I found these:
http://www.ratvalveamps.com/epiphone-valve-junior

http://www.ratvalveamps.com/blackheart-bh5h

Would it really be worth it to do these things to these amplifiers? I mean these modded ones sell for like $450 or so. :thud

But the Class 5 looks promising and so does the Blackheart Little Giant. But I don't think I would spend all that money on upgrades that would just be used for a bedroom amp.

Any others?

MBreinin

12-09-2009, 03:34 PM

I think the tube rattle issue has been resolved by Marshall.

I had a Valve Junior. I say pass on a modded one. Go play the little Blackstar 5 watter. A friend just got one and it has a Marshallesque sound.

Of course, the Fargen offerings are really good for this. The Mini-Plex, etc.

Mike

Hendog

12-09-2009, 03:56 PM

kingjoemom

12-09-2009, 04:47 PM

Yeah I did look at the Fargen amps they look really good and sound even better but I don't think I can see the 2K price tag.

Any others? I'll keep in mind the Class 5 and the Little Giant. I'm leaning towards the Little Giant, cheaper, 12 inch speaker. and the half stack of course. :D

Guitar_Dude

12-09-2009, 05:25 PM

JTM45/100 with a G12H cab.

itgoesto11uc

12-09-2009, 05:26 PM

My vote is for the Class 5 Marshall. I just got one and I love it! EL-84 tube rattle is common in lots of combo amps. You just have to find a good EL-84 that is resistent to microphonics or use one of the many tube dampers available. I'm still experimenting with what works best.

d2macken

12-09-2009, 05:30 PM

Twister Amps Dust devil... yes.

kingjoemom

12-09-2009, 06:09 PM

So I guess this really comes down to WHICH ONE?

http://www.marshallamps.com/images/product_overview/class5feature2.jpg

OR????!?!

http://www.stevesmusiccenter.com/BlackheartLittleGiantHalfStackBig.jpg

OK GO!!!?!?!?!

JES1680

12-09-2009, 06:15 PM

A big part of that sound is Malcom's guitar. I run a 78 Marshall JMP 50 with a TV Jones loaded Tele and I'm as good as there.

ukslinger

12-09-2009, 06:35 PM

Thats what I was going to say. That high end spank is Malcolm coming in over the top. Some of those clips have more gain IMO than ACDC usually has. They really don't use a lot. Just play loud and really hard.

To me the ACDC sound is the mixture of Malcolm's pickups and Angus's humbuckers each with a decent amount of highend and distortion set to just a little breakup.

MBreinin

12-09-2009, 06:38 PM

Class 5 for sure. It is a mini-Bluesbreaker.

macmax77

12-09-2009, 06:41 PM

they also used mesas, but forget the amps that ain't it.

it is the way they play and the pick of destiny!

kingjoemom

12-09-2009, 07:10 PM

set to just a little breakup.

It seemed like to me in that clip that that wasn't just a little breakup. Those amps seemed pretty cranked to me. Although I have never played a cranked superlead before, I can pretty much tell from the clips, those amps weren't set to just "a little breakup". They were being run pretty hard.

Of course I could be wrong, as other eople may know more about it than I do. But those amp's power tubes sure were cooking as for as I can tell. :P

macmax77

12-09-2009, 08:34 PM

the pick of destiny

kingjoemom

12-10-2009, 05:35 AM

the pick of destiny

Yeah thats what I thought also. :roll

wickidriffs

12-10-2009, 06:33 AM

they also used mesas, but forget the amps that ain't it.

They only used Marshalls, Wizard amps, and an amp called ARD.

CADdrafter

12-10-2009, 07:50 AM

The Young brothers never used Mesas

pgissi

12-10-2009, 08:01 AM

Well I've heard great tone comes from the Class 5 it's just theres the infamous tube rattle?

I think the tube rattle issue has been resolved by Marshall.

Internet forums are a funny thing, some rattle some dont, forums that is if you know what I mean.

I have a Class5 since Saturday, have played it to death in these last few days, there is no rattle and dont know if there ever was since I played 3 of them in Sam Ash. They all sounded the same and each was wrapped in plastic from the factory with a tag that indicated it was for Sam Ash.

If there is a rattle, the EL 84 would be my prime suspect especially since it shares the cab with the speaker in a partially open design with a small slit in the bottom at the cab back.

Tonight I will try it with the band and yes the drummer can be loud so we'll see how it hangs but for the money, that tone it does have. What I like most is the non master design, you have to work for your tone and technique, it reveals all. I will use some pedals of course for when it needs to be goosed, a YJM308, Fuzz Face, Beano, AC Booster, old Boss DSD-2, RI Dunlop Univibe. It is a very loud 5 watts.

Possibly the sleeper buy of 2009 and fits under the xmas tree.

MBreinin

12-10-2009, 09:10 AM

They most certainly DID use Mesas....live especially. And, for the record...you can get that tone out of a Mesa MkIII...but I didn't want to start a shit storm with that comment. LOL.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2002-1/8541/angus2.jpg

kingjoemom

12-10-2009, 02:02 PM

Yes it has been confirmed that Angus and Mal did use the Mesa racks. I believe it was for The Razors Edge and the tours up till '92.

Let me know how the Class 5 sounds with a heavy handed drummer. A couple friends I know can really give the drums a wooping.

Thanks.

remocity

12-10-2009, 02:08 PM

MBreinin

12-10-2009, 02:27 PM

OH NO!!!! what's a shit storm? :dunno:eek:

Me saying that you can get good AC/DC tone out of a Boogie. LOL

pgissi

12-10-2009, 02:33 PM

Let me know how the Class 5 sounds with a heavy handed drummer. A couple friends I know can really give the drums a wooping.

In about 2 hours the wanking commences and I will surely have to practice some creative positioning. The amp will be in front of me about 6 to 8 feet tilted up from the floor in order to allow the whopping 5 watts beam into mr drummers head with some wash aimed at me of course.

But having had the thing wide open for a few hours in the last few days, it is loud enough to make your ears ring, for days and that means the classic logic applies, 5 tube watts, specifically marshall really sounds like a 15 to 20 watt amp.

The cleans of course will not be as clean, oh well, were goin old school 2 night, filthy dirty and cheap.

They were the best dates anyway:roll

axuality.com

12-10-2009, 02:34 PM

axuality.com

12-10-2009, 02:38 PM

Internet forums are a funny thing, some rattle some dont, forums that is if you know what I mean.

I have a Class5 since Saturday, have played it to death in these last few days, there is no rattle and dont know if there ever was since I played 3 of them in Sam Ash. They all sounded the same and each was wrapped in plastic from the factory with a tag that indicated it was for Sam Ash.

If there is a rattle, the EL 84 would be my prime suspect especially since it shares the cab with the speaker in a partially open design with a small slit in the bottom at the cab back.

Tonight I will try it with the band and yes the drummer can be loud so we'll see how it hangs but for the money, that tone it does have. What I like most is the non master design, you have to work for your tone and technique, it reveals all. I will use some pedals of course for when it needs to be goosed, a YJM308, Fuzz Face, Beano, AC Booster, old Boss DSD-2, RI Dunlop Univibe. It is a very loud 5 watts.

Possibly the sleeper buy of 2009 and fits under the xmas tree.

Would it be possible to take that amp and cut the speaker hole big enough for a 12" speaker? I'm not fond of a 10" speaker.

kingjoemom

12-10-2009, 03:32 PM

Would it be possible to take that amp and cut the speaker hole big enough for a 12" speaker? I'm not fond of a 10" speaker.

That to me, would be wayyy to much work. I've heard great stories of the Class 5 running a 4X12, and it just knocking everyones socks off. That to me would be easier than going and drilling holes in a new amp you know?

Scott Auld

12-10-2009, 03:52 PM

So I guess the point of this thread is just for you to see if you like this tone,

Since you ask, I don't, actually like this tone much. I much prefer the cleaner crunch of Bon Scott AC/DC. I don't care so much for the Fly on the Wall / Maximum Overdrive type preamp-sounding distortion and it's not what I like so much. YMMV.

This wails:

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kingjoemom

12-10-2009, 04:18 PM

smolder

12-10-2009, 04:25 PM

mmmmm boy... long hair, tight jeans and white tennis shoes... I do not miss the eighties. Such bad production and direction in the first ten years of music videos

itgoesto11uc

12-10-2009, 05:03 PM

You got a class5? The 10" speaker isn't too small for a big sound?

Nope.......Not to me.

winkofaneye

12-10-2009, 05:12 PM

I thought they used Superbass Plexi's.

Scott Auld

12-10-2009, 05:19 PM

Hmm thats not very much gain to my ears. In face the typical AC/DC uses more gain than this. In that vid there isn't very much oooomph if you know what I mean. Good tone by all means it's just I guess I'm used to them having a touch mroe gain.

Right, that's exactly my point. Except for the part about the oomph. THere was a surplus of oomph, but it came from the attitude and cleans and natural poweramp distortion. It was sweeeeet.

kingjoemom

12-10-2009, 07:58 PM

Right, that's exactly my point. Except for the part about the oomph. THere was a surplus of oomph, but it came from the attitude and cleans and natural poweramp distortion. It was sweeeeet.

Yeah I see exactly what you mean :wave

That vid with them Live in Arnhem, that was almost all poweramp distortion and no preamp AT ALL. (well.. maybe a little :aok) But the amps they used in the late 70s were definately late 70s JMPs (metal panels). And they had master volumes on them which meant you could control pre amp gain aswell. (But you already knew that). So my guess is they just set the pre amp SUPER LOW and than just cranked the master to give it nothing but power amp breakup?

I don't know how much you know about AC/DC but in that same time on the Highway to Hell album, they had some of the most ballsiest tones I've ever heard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkpLONtRjn4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55wvdcCJfk&feature=related

Theres got to be some preamp in that right? And I know for a fact they didn't use pedals. I know I'm kinda straying off topic but I just thought I'd share that with you, this is by no means an arguement I just like talking about it. :aok

It maybe that they just played on a lower gain setting for that concert?

pgissi

12-10-2009, 10:03 PM

Would it be possible to take that amp and cut the speaker hole big enough for a 12" speaker? I'm not fond of a 10" speaker.

I have not opened it up yet but it sure looks like the baffleboard is large enough but I would be concerned with the magent size of a 12" speaker eating up room, bumping the tube and/or maybe being too heavy for the mount, maybe.

Anyway, I played the amp tonight (through the stock 10" spkr) at practice and it hung in there and then some. Of course the cleans had to be a little dirty, ok more than a little to keep up with the band but the breakup is sweet and I found that surprisingly, I was not struggling to hear it. I did place it on the floor a good 7 or 8' in front of me aimed at the band as to not compete in a corner next to the drums or bass amp etc. Thats they key with a low wattage amp, it may not be able to compete on a backline but that depends on the room and how loud the band is although placing a small amp against a wall and/or in a corner will beef it up, use the walls to take advantage of a proximity effect.

I found this amp loves a treble boost type pedal for solo's, it ate it up and delivered a focused tone with just the freqs you need to cut since 5 watts is not gonna deliver tight thick bottom (different speaker could change that some), work the mids and top end and it will hang. Everyone said they could hear it although they did work on their dynamics more than normal which is a good thing, it was a good jam with this blazing 5 watts, I am still laughing. I think being a non master type amp with a spartan layout is the key, there is not much in there and thats why its toneful. KISS

Next time I will try my 2x12 with the amp to tighten it up or may pick up an oversize 1x12 cab. The stock 10 seems to enhance the el84 flavor but despite that, with my les paul its all marshall. With my srv strat, it was just as toneful just not as clean and chimey as with a higher watt amp.

The OD tones are hands down good no matter what you do to f it up, you cant and it has a distinctive growl. They could not believe this little amp was making all that noise:roll

I had the volume at about 3/4 up, turn it up, work you guitar vol pot and hit a pedal

What you notice about a non master single ended design is how each guitar tends to be presented to sound as themselves more so and that you cant hide behind gobs of preamp saturated OD but yet, the OD its does have has got more power section el84 flavored mojo in there and the harder you hit it the sweeter it gets.

I would recomend going easy on the bass, a 10" speaker will only handle so much low end before it gets rubbery.

All in all a toneful little box that is truly old school tone and for the money, a ridiculous value.

Recapture your youth, pick one up.

Ok so you were in diapers or maybe you were born when hair metal was on the wane, this is even more of a reason to pick one up, its a little time machine and adheres to the tone flavor of its grandparents!.

Frenster

12-11-2009, 10:20 AM

Sounds surprisingly like my Pro Junior on 12.

Brian Maestro

12-11-2009, 10:36 AM

Sounds surprisingly like my Pro Junior on 12.

I love AC/DC toneand I love that my Pro Jr gets that tone:rockin

kingjoemom

12-11-2009, 02:13 PM

Really? I never thought a Pro Junior could get that much, or for that matter KIND of drive. Cool though.

ellpolo

12-11-2009, 02:38 PM

My 78 jmp does this tone in spades. Gain at 12 oclock and let the master volume rip

MBreinin

12-11-2009, 02:46 PM

My 78 jmp does this tone in spades. Gain at 12 oclock and let the master volume rip

Yep, it sure did do that tone perfectly!!!

Mike

kingjoemom

12-11-2009, 02:47 PM

How often you actually get to do that? :huh

ellpolo

12-11-2009, 02:58 PM

in my rehearsal studio before the rest of the band showed up :).

With the master on 11:30 (50 watter mind you) its perfect for rehearsal and the shows i play.

Still nails it!

77jordan

12-11-2009, 03:01 PM

Never listened to any ACDC between 1983- until Thunderstruck hit. & anything after Razor's edge

HeeHaw

12-11-2009, 03:46 PM

kingjoemom

12-11-2009, 04:31 PM

That was some rippin' ass lead tone in that.;)

Got that right. :Devil

Scott Auld

12-11-2009, 06:06 PM

Yeah I see exactly what you mean :wave

That vid with them Live in Arnhem, that was almost all poweramp distortion and no preamp AT ALL. (well.. maybe a little :aok) But the amps they used in the late 70s were definately late 70s JMPs (metal panels). And they had master volumes on them which meant you could control pre amp gain aswell. (But you already knew that). So my guess is they just set the pre amp SUPER LOW and than just cranked the master to give it nothing but power amp breakup?

I don't know how much you know about AC/DC but in that same time on the Highway to Hell album, they had some of the most ballsiest tones I've ever heard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkpLONtRjn4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y55wvdcCJfk&feature=related

Theres got to be some preamp in that right? And I know for a fact they didn't use pedals. I know I'm kinda straying off topic but I just thought I'd share that with you, this is by no means an arguement I just like talking about it. :aok

It maybe that they just played on a lower gain setting for that concert?

WORD

5150user

12-11-2009, 06:15 PM

I wasn't very impressed with those tones. Back in Black was the signature tone for those guys.:mob

Good luck.

kingjoemom

12-11-2009, 07:21 PM

WORD

Huh? What does this mean?

77jordan

12-11-2009, 09:21 PM

I wasn't very impressed with those tones. Back in Black was the signature tone for those guys.:mob

Good luck.

+1 & Let There Be Rock/Highway to Hell IMHO.