Basic Audio Solar Myth Fuzz review...progressive thread

[vicenzajay]

John at Basic Audio graciously contacted me with an offer to try out a Solar Myth…what I intend to do is generate a bit of a review thread over the course of a week or two, adding information and material until finished. I will attempt to write this review from a “contextual” viewpoint, vice a technical or “this pedal in a vacuum” standpoint. Doing a quick search here will show that the Solar Myth has been reviewed several times before, so I am hoping to approach the evaluation from a slightly different direction.

To do that, I am going to post up the description and photos (inside and out), then talk about first impressions and the first playing experience. This will be followed by a “being played out” review and, shortly thereafter, I will do some clips with the idea of playing through the pedal alongside some program material with a fairly decent mix of instruments. I will attempt to describe what I hear with a view toward using the pedal as part of a rig, vice a stand-alone application of its usage (although that will be covered, obviously, as well).

Quick note – many of my impressions and comparisons will be done with/against a Basic Audio Scarab. I have two of them for two different rigs, and I have been an outspoken fan of the Scarab for some time on the forums. Given that it seems to be one of the more widely distributed models of John’s fuzzes, I’m hoping that this point of reference will help with some of the descriptions.

Lastly, I am in the military and may have to travel during this week or next – as a result, there will be days when I will not be able to contribute the next “piece”. Rest assured, I will get back to the project and complete it when time allows.

[vicenzajay]

From John’s website, the Solar Myth is:

Smooth silicon transistor (loosely based on the "Fuzz Face") fuzz with a variable input EQ "fatness" to tune in how much bass you like. The variable input EQ helps dial in how the fuzz responds to your picking and the amount of fuzz vs. overdrive. Set to the most bass heavy side gets the most fuzz as well as a compressed and slower attack. Set to the thinner side has a fast and more articulate picking attack with clearer definition or dynamics. Cleans up well with the fuzz knob and has a lot of level on tap for driving an amps input harder.

Here are some photos of both the enclosure and the inside construction of the pedal. Please note that I am a HUGE fan of John’s enclosure work…it’s understated but very elegant and functional. In addition, I love the very tidy size of his single pedals in general as they are easy to fit on any pedal board. I have included two pictures of my Scarab’s as well for comparison.

Photos:

Solar Myth:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/vicenzajay/BasicAudioFuzzes004.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/vicenzajay/BasicAudioFuzzes005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/vicenzajay/BasicAudioFuzzes006.jpg

My two Scarabs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/vicenzajay/Basic_Audio_Scarab-blue-wrinkle.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/vicenzajay/Basic_Audio_Scarab-blue-wrinkle-gut.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/vicenzajay/BasicAudioFuzzes003.jpg

[vicenzajay]

I received the pedal Friday afternoon (29 Jan), however, I had a show that night so the first time I took the pedal out of the box was last evening (Saturday). I typically don’t get in until 2:30 a.m. or so after PA packup and driving home, so by the time I unload, unwind and get to bed, it’s usually close to 4…I’m sure there are quite a few weekend warriors here who work the same hours when they play out!

In any case, I got the Solar Myth patched into a rig and then called my daughter out to the studio/garage to help me with her ears. She plays guitar as well, and has excellent hearing – standout vocalist with the local audition vocal groups (yes, I’m a proud dad). We fired up the rig - Marshall 18-watt clone (beautiful amp) in a gorgeous Swanson custom cabinet (yes, I’m a lucky guy) loaded with an Eminence Private Jack. I used a Flaxwood Rautia guitar into the pedalboard and then direct to the amp – very simple signal chain here with pretty much guitar – Scarab – Solar Myth – touch of Deep Blue Delay (I’m a DBD junkie) the only pedals I was using at this point (with a few exceptions, which I’ll describe).

Okay – usually I place all controls at noon on the dials to start dialing in a pedal; however, being familiar with the amount of volume on tap with John’s fuzzes, I placed the volume knob (upper left pot) on 9:30 or so. I then did a bit of A/B with the Scarab to get the volume levels close; however, this very quickly identified some of the main differences of the Solar Myth’s control set. These are:

- Input gain pot – upper right: This control work very similarly to your guitar’s volume knob in that it sets the input gain to the pedal. A practical way of looking at this pedal would be to consider it a “limiter” to how much input gain you are able to introduce into the pedal while playing. Assuming you are using your guitar’s volume as you “play” a fuzz, this will set what you have available at max and min “throw” of your volume control. Hopefully that description makes sense. In essence the “fuzz” portion of the pedal is “full on” all the time – it’s just that the input gain controls how much of the fuzz you can “drive” with your guitar’s volume. So you can go from overdrive”ish” to fuzz/overdrive to all out fuzz depending on how you set the input gain (and the next knob…covered below) in conjunction to how you use the guitar’s volume.

- “Fatness” knob – lower middle: This is, in John’s words, “An input bass cut EQ control”. This control is VERY interactive with the input gain control to define how the pedal’s “dirt” is driven and/or limited while also very noticeably and effectively controlling the voicing of the pedal. Basically, all the way “off” on this control (7 o’clock or so) allows all bass freq. input through to the circuit – all the way “on” (5 o’clock or so) cuts a large amount of the bass frequency input from the pedal’s circuitry at the input – definitely affecting both volume and drive on the pedal.

- Volume knob – upper left: This control is self-explanatory, except to say that with all John’s pedals that I’ve tried, there is a massive amount of level on tap – unity for my guitars/rigs has always been around 9:30 or so with a good 3db increase in overall perceived volume at 10:00 or so. Basic Audio fuzzes will definitely “push” your amp’s input/preamp tone stack in an effortless manner.

More in the next post….

[vicenzajay]

Okay – once I figured out how all the controls interacted, my daughter and I tried a few different combinations and settled on an input gain setting of about 3 o’clock. This allowed good volume control throughout the guitar’s volume knob range while giving the pedal plenty of headroom for the fatness control. We then spent a while just comparing basic chords, both ringing and palm-muted and the response of the pedal. Some quick comparisons:

Solar Myth: Right off the bat, the difference between the pedals is obvious. The Solar Myth is (in my words) a more “organic sounding” pedal – both with respect to attack and individual string vibration. The Myth is less refined than the Scarab in several respects – which is expected given the fuzz face heritage vice the Scarab’s tonebender-like tone. Please don’t misunderstand me, though, the notes were definitely distinct…even at higher distortion and more “fatness” levels – as my daughter said, the Solar Myth sounds more open and raw. The lower frequency content is (even at noon or so on the fat control) more present, yet it also affects the vibe of the pedal’s sound. One can sense more individual “feedback” from the pedal from each pick attack on a string – i.e. the pedal really reaches back to the guitar and interacts with the playing on a very “feel-related” level.

Scarab: There have been quite a few Scarab reviews…even some very recent ones, so I’ll not write too much here. The Scarab is a much more “refined” fuzz circuit – with a unique voicing that emphasizes the upper mids in a way that (in my opinion) is magic in a dense mix…the Scarab also has a more “complete” sound to big “wall of sound” chords, vice the Myth’s “wall of raw vibrating string” chords….does that make any sense? I hope so – there’s a separateness and organic quality to the Myth’s representation of each string’s vibration – while the Scarab sounds…both my daughter and I used the same word….”polished”.

We then compared the sound of higher-voiced lead playing and four and three note chords….I think my daughter summed it up like this:

“The Scarab sounds like it is giving you a sound of something already produced in a studio – very ‘professional’ sounding even live and unprocessed”. The Myth sounds like a bit less-controlled, live-venue concert sound – with a big sound stage and a more open vibe.” Surprisingly (to me), she really preferred the Myth’s big-chord sound to the Scarab, but she also preferred the Scarab’s lead tone and (important point here) – she noticed something that I probably would not have caught. She immediately preferred the Scarab’s palm-muted sound for syncopated rhythm playing – this is due to the high-mid voicing of the Scarab which emphasized the pick’s percussive sounds in a way that added to the whole effect. She pointed it out immediately and I thought, “Wow, I need to learn to listen better!”

After working with this for a while on both pedals, we figured out that the Myth is much more sensitive to pickup selection than the Scarab. Again, this should have been intuitive given the voicing of the Scarab, but with the fatness rolled up and the bridge pickup solo’d, the palm-muted pick percussiveness of the Myth began to rival the Scarab’s…not quite as prominent, but definitely sounding VERY good.

[vicenzajay]

So then we tried some other, practically-based stuff. Both pedals like to be before phase…after phase, both get very muddy with their response and the phase effect is pretty much wasted on the user. Before phase, they both sound beautiful – just the type of movement that works without being overpowering. A light chorus is FANTASTIC with John’s fuzzes – just make sure the “mix” is down around 20% or so (all my opinion, obviously). That light touch of chorus really adds to a singing fatness that is simply dynamite – more so on the Scarab, by the way, as the Myth’s open, raw quality doesn’t really need it – it sounds good with chorus, but really the Scarab kind of “wants” it for the singing, wailing lead stuff with that slight movement inherent to modulation. Delay was beautiful with both, but the DBD is probably one of THE best delays with dirt….so take that with a grain of salt.

The 18-watt’s tremolo channel sounded great with both. In fact, the sound of both the pedals “alone – with no other effect activated at all” was phenomenal with the tremolo. The Myth was a standout here – the fuller frequency of the content and the raw, organic vibe of the fuzz interacted exceptionally well with the tremolo. Definitely nails that “single chord, singing machine-gun” sound heard in so many intro’s/outro’s for classic and alternative rock.

Oh, and another important, important thing – both of these pedals work great both first in the chain and/or after a buffer/boost. I find this amazing, and my hat is completely off to John here – don’t know how me makes this work so well. So much of placing/playing fuzz has to do with impedance issues and the quality of the fuzz as it is impacted both with respect to voicing and volume control. The Myth and the Scarab remained very touch and volume sensitive in both places, and the quality of tone and responsiveness of the pedals remained consistent. I have said on the Basic Audio threads for a while now – John’s fuzzes integrate themselves into your rig…they become part of your guitar and amp vice being a ‘sound-affecting’ device that seems to drastically change the integral voicing of your sound and tone. You can “feel” them exceptionally well through the pick and the strings and the amp – if I had to pick a “winner” in this arena, the Solar Myth edges out the Scarab for integration into your guitar’s feel; however, the Scarab also does this exceptionally well.

Last two notes for the first impressions – as has been noted by other reviewers, the Solar Myth and the Scarab do a really nice job of cleaning up with the volume knob (for silicon fuzzes). You can do the “little hair on the notes of a clean sound” very nicely with both of them – again, the edge on this goes to the Solar Myth due to the organic nature of the sound, but this distinction between the two is close to negligible.

The last point has to do with the Scarab’s tone knob versus the Myth’s Fat knob. Hopefully I’ve made this clear, but they are not the same type of control at all. The Scarab’s tone knob might subtract bass frequency content as you turn it “up”; however, the control must come after the fuzz content, overall gain is set inside the pedal as it does not affect the overall volume and tone/feel of the pedal like the Myth’s input bass-cut type control. This is an important distinction to note, because you will find it necessary to make several control tweaks when moving the Myth’s fat control as both overall volume and gain will be affected in a very noticeable way…bottom line is that the Myth is a more tweakable pedal for both tone and volume – which could be both a positive and/or a negative depending on your interpretation of what you need for your rig/sound.

More later this week – I’m going to use the Myth tonight at a small church gathering as I think it will be “money” as the only instrument to allow fuller, organic-sounding drive at very controllable volume levels. The Scarab shines in this regard as well, by the way.

[mahler]

Nice Idea for a thread, John also gave me one to try out and wrote a review.

Nice detailed descriptions.

Looking forward to hearing more.

[vicenzajay]

Nice Idea for a thread, John also gave me one to try out and wrote a review.

Nice detailed descriptions.

Looking forward to hearing more.
Always good to have more than one impression! I'm looking forward to your thoughts as well.

I need to get off the web and get some stuff done - I'll try to chime in before bed with how it went this evening; however, after that, I may be out of pocket until Tuesday evening.

Cheers - Jay

[vicenzajay]

Okay....got back about an hour ago from the small meeting. For reference, here's a picture of the rig (pedal-wise) that I used for the music:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v731/vicenzajay/SolarMythsmallrig.jpg

The amp was a small Orange practice amp...set completely clean with a small amount of reverb to help put the sound correctly in the smaller room.

Note the settings on the Myth - the overall volume was dialed back to about 8:30 or so and the input gain was right at 3:00 - I left the fat control just to the left of noon. The result was that when the fuzz was engaged, I had just "less" than unity gain from the clean sound. I played the evening with a reference of about 1/2 of the guitar's volume knob as a "starting point" - allowed me to have some headroom on the fuzz when the music/clapping/singing got louder while not blowing away the room needlessly at the 1/2 volume point.

GREAT tone here, folks - very FF"ish" - notice that I used a battery to power it tonight to keep things simple - the battery was putting out right at 7.8-8.0 volts on the tester, and that was about perfect....I noticed just a touch more "bounciness" and "looseness" to the string response, and the organic vibe was just "that much more" evident than while powered with the daisy chain. The pedal played exceptionally well with the phaser right after the fuzz - and, of course, the DBD allowed for ambiance as well as the counterplay to palm-muted rhythm playing - great syncopation available.

I liked the fairly full frequency response of the Myth in this type of "standalone instrument" environment (I was the only one leading the music - both vocally and instrumentally - besides a tambourine). It allows for a more visceral feeling to the dirty tone palette.

Anyway - that wraps up today's portion of the review. I might be out of town for a few days, but after I get back, I'll fire up the recording gear and do some clips with the goal of demonstrating basic chord tone/lead tone/rhythm tone all in contrast to the Scarab. Then we'll try a basic recording alongside and over some program material to see how things sound against a mix.

Cheers - Jay

[Blunder]

Very nice review. (I wish I could write detailed descriptions like that.)
The Solar Myth is a cool pedal for sure. Comparing it with the Scarab was a good idea.(I have one of those as well) Seems that's the one most people are familiar with. They are quite different and I think you hit on some points that will help people that are interested in either of these pedals.

[edkoppel]

Not to hijack your thread but I just got my Basic Audio custom "Spooky/Wah" Fuzz. and this shit is intense.

I posted this on another board but here is my description;
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So I had been wanting a Basic Audio "Spooky Tooth" Fuzz for a bit and then Sickle posted this thread:
http://stompboxes.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4598&hilit=spooky+tooth

It basically got me to immediately email John and request one of these bad boys.
I also shot him the idea of putting a fixed-wah in it and John got to work.

What he ended up with is a really versatile fuzz pedal that can go from an angry distortion to a fuzzrite type of sound to full-on saturated, snarling, spitting fuzz...and when the wah is kicked in I can achieve everything from a typical fuzz into wah type sound to an overpowering, feedbacking, screeming fuzz!

The other cool thing is that I can use the wah just by itself. When testing it out it responded really well with every other type of fuzz I put in front of it. There is also a control for Resonance to balance it out if the filtering is too extreme. I was able to get a good AM radio affect, pillow-over-your-head affect, steam/wind type of sound, and a wide array of feedback squeels.

This thing is super loud too. I'm pretty sure I destroyed my brain; but what the hell, right?


So a Huge Thanks to John Lyons! and many thumbs up on this one.
http://stompboxes.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/freakout.gif http://stompboxes.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/freakout.gif http://stompboxes.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/freakout.gif


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/skymall/IMG_1090.jpg
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y215/skymall/IMG_1099.jpg

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sorry; ok go on with your review.
-ed

[basicaudio]

Jay
Thanks for your thoughts here. I appreciate your detailed approach!
I look forward to your thoughts after you play with them a bit more.
The "Fatness" knob does help dial in girth for different guitars and setups.
The Fuzz face is pretty sloppy as stock but with the control to dial in the bass getting into the circuit it really opens up and adds different shades
of overdrive and a more snappy response to the pedal.

Ed
I had fun making the Spooky-Wah for you.
With that Spooky Tooth circuit there are a lot of nuance
to blend through and with the wah in there it really brings out
some quacky resonant goodness :)

[vicenzajay]

Got back from the trip and this evening I had a little bit of unscheduled time...so I did four clips of the Solar Myth. I'm really happy with the way the mics captured the amp (ribbon on the grille and a MXL v67 about 5 feet away for the room). I put a clearsonic panel in front of the amp (as usual), but the overall volume on the 18 watt was at 1.5 as I wanted to keep it as clean as possible for the pedal review. It's still quite loud (:dude)!

Anyway, it was still a family night, so although you won't see or hear it, I had to answer questions and take care of small interruptions throughout the recordings...it's all good. These are one time run throughs - and they are noodling and random....on purpose. I wanted to talk and play and just demonstrate what I'm hearing with both the Myth and the Scarab - so I had no intention of going for a "produced" or perfect product. The only signal processing in Reaper was some light compression, a touch of reverb, and some gain leveling on the CD clips. Took about five minutes total to "mix" these as I really want you to just hear the pedal as raw as possible. Enjoy!

The clips are posted in the order I made them - The first one is now the new, shorter one based on straight comparison with the Scarab. The other three are much shorter (5-6 minutes). The first is kind of an intro and a run through of different types of playing through both pedals (with some examples of playing with chorus, etc. as well). The middle two clips are recordings of solo noodlings on top of CD material.

Warning - if Christian music offends you, then you may not want to listen to the middle two clips.

The last clip is just hammering around with higher gain settings on the Solar Myth.

I narrate a bit through all the recordings to let the listener know when I'm changing pedals or when I have a comment, etc. Hope that doesn't distract too much.

Let me know if someone would like something else recorded on the Myth - I'll do my best to accomodate as time allows. I'll post some more observations over the next few days as well - gotta hit the rack soon as work will come early in the morning.

Clips:

This is the new one posted Friday, 5 Feb:

Solar Myth v Scarab no screen.mp3 - 14.14MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/722104331677246d/)

Solar Myth Review CD mix.mp3 (http://www.zshare.net/audio/721306959570d2de/)

Note: In the next clip, my guitar is the one panned to the right....the one on the left is from the original recording...

Solar Myth Review CD mix 2.mp3 (http://www.zshare.net/audio/72130705dc0aee81/)

Noodling again higher gain.mp3 (http://www.zshare.net/audio/72130702a9b0415b/)

[vicenzajay]

Okay - another quick suggestion/observation that I meant to make much earlier. I really think the Solar Myth will be MAGIC for single-coil guitars (while remaining awesome for humbuckers as well, of course). It has some real girth and meat while still maintaining that string-to-string separateness. My main guitar I have not yet used with the Myth - I can split the coils on that one and get a great single coil/parallel pup setting...I'll try that over the next few days and report back.

Jay

[vicenzajay]

Actually, I know I said that you needed to download the first clip, but in actuality, it buffers fairly quickly on the zshare page...so it will start playing fairly rapidly.

[basicaudio]

That's a L O N G clip!
Honestly I don't listen to any light rock/contemporary christian
stuff but it's good hear how it would sound with the Scarab
and Solar myth.

Thanks for taking the time to post clips.

John

[vicenzajay]

Yeah...I found I was just trying to demo some different settings and styles and the next thing I knew I was stopping the recording with something like 28 minutes there...lots of fun playing through these pedals, John! Both the Solar Myth and the Scarab are simply stunning tools.

[vicenzajay]

Update - going to do another Scarab v. Myth comparison clip (shorter) tomorrow when I can open up a bit more and do away with the amp panel...will help with the touch of phase cancellation and boxiness that you hear in the "guitar alone" clips (Thanks, John!).

Cheers - Jay

[vicenzajay]

Okay - today, as I'm not going to do any more clips until tomorrow, I experimented a bit more with settings and with a lower overall volume for the rig....thoughts:

1. I like the voicing of the Myth here with the input gain at 4:00 - really close to all the way open...the pedal is slightly more articulate at the same "fat" setting (about 10:30-11:00 now...I really like this voice) while having even more "bounce", "give" and "fatness" to the overall tone.

2. This resulted in a killer solo tone that my wife (another musician) wound up liking significantly better than the Scarab at the same volume setting. The Scarab sounded great, but we both agreed that the Myth at this volume and with these settings was just "3-D" in comparison to a more "2-D" sound on the Scarab. She also really liked the "fat, singing, fuzz" sound of the Myth a bit more on the solo lines than the Scarab - although both of us agreed that the Scarab's voicing is (again) just "mix magic" as far as remaining quite focused and polished up and down the fretboard.

More to follow as it's time for dinner....of note, though, is the fact that every setting on the Myth affects everything else - even more so than the Scarab....

These are both phenomenal pedals...lots of fun!

[vicenzajay]

New clip posted instead of the L O N G one....still not short, but more to the point and a better recording overall...

Enjoy:

Solar Myth v Scarab no screen.mp3 - 14.14MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/722104331677246d/)

[basicaudio]

Jay
Yeah, sounds great, thanks for taking some time to do these clips.
The plexi shield in front of the amp on the last clips was a bit boxey
sounding. This clip sounds more natural.

You can really hear the openness and thickness of the Solar Myth
compared to the Scarab. That being said, the Scarab cuts though in a dense mix...just different voicing and circuit....

Nice to hear them with some effects in there for a change.
The phase sound good with them, your right.

Glad your diggin' the pedals. :banana

John

[vicenzajay]

Jay
Yeah, sounds great, thanks for taking some time to do these clips.
The plexi shield in front of the amp on the last clips was a bit boxey
sounding. This clip sounds more natural.

You can really hear the openness and thickness of the Solar Myth
compared to the Scarab. That being said, the Scarab cuts though in a dense mix...just different voicing and circuit....

Nice to hear them with some effects in there for a change.
The phase sound good with them, your right.

Glad your diggin' the pedals. :banana

John
Thank YOU for asking me to redo that one clip...nice ears...

Which should tell you somethin', folks, the designer of these pedals is both quite knowledgeable and also has a great ear...there's a reason these are designed so well.

Jay

[basicaudio]

Guess it's just you and I here Jay. :)

I ran a recording studio for about 10 years... you pick up on things.
Thanks for the compliments... too kind.

[vicenzajay]

Guess it's just you and I here Jay. :)

I ran a recording studio for about 10 years... you pick up on things.
Thanks for the compliments... too kind.

On both - your ears...and the fact that this seems to be just you and I here! :dunno

It's all good, at least I gave it as good of a shot as I possibly could - I'll send a pm later....

[Blunder]

I like the new clip. You did a great job comparing the two pedals. Captured the vibe of each pedal really nicely. The added effects is cool too. Especially the trem ones.

[vicenzajay]

I like the new clip. You did a great job comparing the two pedals. Captured the vibe of each pedal really nicely. The added effects is cool too. Especially the trem ones.
Thanks, Blunder...good to hear that at least the intent of the comparison came through well...

[vicenzajay]

outing with the very small pedal board using the Myth as the only dirt pedal/tone choice. I'm really (again) very impressed with the difference in how the fuzz reacts/plays when powered by a battery that's not quite up to snuff. GREAT sounds...touching on some splutter and splattiness coupled with the big sound stage and 3d liquidness evident when the pedal is pushed a bit.

It might just be my favorite way to run the Myth...it sounds GREAT (per the clips) when powered by the One Spot, but the battery response is really "doing it for me" right now.

[basicaudio]

I haven't really messed with it with a battery let alone a slightly depleted one... Maybe I should put a voltage starve knob on there...(wheels turning in head) :love:

[vicenzajay]

I haven't really messed with it with a battery let alone a slightly depleted one... Maybe I should put a voltage starve knob on there...(wheels turning in head) :love:
The mind boggles....great thought.

I should mention (just in case anybody gets the wrong idea) that the "spluttery/splattiness" I mentioned in the battery post is anything but overbearing or "tone-changing". It's more of a hint of more give/bounciness/and change of attack as well as individual note "ring-out"...hard to describe in words, but instantly noticeable and playable (on a feel level) once you try it out.

I strongly recommend trying it :aok Just didn't want to give the impression that the pedal completely changed character with the battery...not so!...it just plays a bit differently with a super great feel coupled with a superb tone soundstage.

[roknfnrol]

The audio clips are gone?

[basicaudio]

I guess Jay pulled them or....
I have them here if you want to email me.

John

[roknfnrol]

I guess Jay pulled them or....
I have them here if you want to email me.

John

Ah, I'll just wait and compare them myself. ;)

[basicaudio]

Heh...oh yeah! :bonk Good point!
(he ordered them).

[roknfnrol]

Heh...oh yeah! :bonk Good point!
(he ordered them).

I will post video demos when they arrive (scarab dlx and solar myth) :JAM

[Lolaviola]

:clips...got any more clips?