Anyone got their Way Huge Aqua Puss RI yet?

[j4j]

I just saw that they are sold out at PGS...

Anyone have one yet?

j4j

[nightraven]

'sold out' at PGS also means they haven't had their shipment yet. i don't think it's out yet (except for pre-orders), could be wrong though.

[j4j]

'sold out' at PGS also means they haven't had their shipment yet. i don't think it's out yet (except for pre-orders), could be wrong though.

Ah. This looks pretty cool. Cheap for an analog delay, too.

j4j

[CitizenAudio]

So.... Analogman's website has some new stuff coming real soon.... hint hint.

[PedalFreak]

Dunlop says early Spring. I'm guessing middle of March is when they will start shipping.

[Guitar Josh]

Dunlop says early Spring. I'm guessing middle of March is when they will start shipping.

A few online stores claim to have them in stock, so do some eBayers.

[whaiyun]

I just ordered mine at Long & McQuade, a Canadian retailer, the rep said it would be coming in a week or two. Let's see if they're right!

[PedalFreak]

A few online stores claim to have them in stock, so do some eBayers.

My rep at Dunlop says that no one will have them till, at the earliest Late February.

[Blakemore Effects]

My rep at Dunlop says that no one will have them till, at the earliest Late February.

I ordered from a store in Evanston who told me today that their shipment will be in this week? :huh

[livendieinchicag]

hey rhcp311, wat store?? im on the northside of chi and really want one asap. just one of hopefully a few tax return pedz!!

[PedalFreak]

I ordered from a store in Evanston who told me today that their shipment will be in this week? :huh

They had originally told us we would get them this week or next week, but for some reason they are being pushed back. The guys over at MusicToyz are saying May! But Dunlop is saying it wont be that long.

[Guitar Josh]

My rep at Dunlop says that no one will have them till, at the earliest Late February.

Time to find a new rep.

[PedalFreak]

Time to find a new rep.

:rotflmao he is one of the top rep's at Dunlop :beer

[Guitar Josh]

:rotflmao he is one of the top rep's at Dunlop :beer

Then shouldn't he know that people claim to have these in stock right now? ;)

[PedalFreak]

Then shouldn't he know that people claim to have these in stock right now? ;)

Yeah, it always happens though. Not many people will spend money if you tell them, "I'll have it between February and April, that'll be $149 right now please."

They originally said 2nd week of February, I'm still hoping for that, all but 2 of ours are sold already. 1 of them being to me, so I really hope they are here when they told us, but last week we were told to expect delays in them shipping them.

I really hope I am wrong though, and they ship ASAP :beer

[Blakemore Effects]

They had originally told us we would get them this week or next week, but for some reason they are being pushed back. The guys over at MusicToyz are saying May! But Dunlop is saying it wont be that long.

Wait, are you saying that they told you that, and that you're a separate store from the one I bought it from, or are you saying that you are the store I bought it from? Were you guys the ones who had the eBay auction online where people could reserve the first batch of your Aqua Pusses? The Chop Shoppe, I believe it was?

[Guitar Josh]

I ended up buying the Malekko 616 instead. I figured double the delay time, with modulation, for the same price, it was a better deal. Note, I'm not saying better PEDAL :D

[Blakemore Effects]

I ended up buying the Malekko 616 instead. I figured double the delay time, with modulation, for the same price, it was a better deal. Note, I'm not saying better PEDAL :D

Much better. :rotflmao

[Guitar Josh]

Much better. :rotflmao

Well, I don't want to dump on the thread. It's not all that fair however, since the AP isn't out in droves yet, but on paper, the Malekko has much better specs. I would still like a shootout though.

[Unadan]

The AP doesn't seem to be out at all yet. I'll await judgement until I see some real demos and get to try it myself.

[thetangmang]

Oh wow, they are pretty cheap.

[whaiyun]

The only diff afaik is that the chip is different due to the low amount of the NOS chips in the original AP

[Blakemore Effects]

I have orderd mine from the chop shoppe as well, supposed to ship by the 10th or sooner. Looks like the madape ebay store had some in stock today but all sold out now. Does anybody really know if they are coming in this week?

I actually think they said they would have them shipped by the 15th. They said they'd have them by the 10th, but then they left themselves some leeway for how long they had to get them out. Either way, not too far off.

[PedalFreak]

No, the shop I work for has not put any of the AP up on ebay, we won't either.

[brianeharmonjr]

I talked to the rep for the store I work at earlier this week and he said they were supposed to be shipping late this week and we should be receiving them early next week.

[Blakemore Effects]

Naturally, right after I paid for my Aqua Puss reissue, I found an Analogman ARDX20 in my local shop, bought a Skreddy Echo from another retailer, got a Boss DD-3 in a trade, and I already owned a Boss DM-2, and an Ibanez DE7. I think that once my Skreddy Echo and Aqua Puss show up, it's time to thin the heard a little bit. I'm especially curious to see if my Aqua Puss or DM-2 wins in a showdown though.

[Papito]

This store:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=370330844993&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123

claim to have them in stock.

[CitizenAudio]

the madape is good people.

[theHumbucker]

Ordered mine from MadApe. Talked to Matt at the MadApe and he said they are in fact in stock...and according the sales page as well: In Stock: Ships Same Day.

Free shipping as well. Total came to $149.

[Blakemore Effects]

Ordered mine from MadApe. Talked to Matt at the MadApe and he said they are in fact in stock...and according the sales page as well: In Stock: Ships Same Day.

Free shipping as well. Total came to $149.

If you get yours before I get mine, you'll have to let me know how you like it!

[Teletone65]

I have two on the way from The Mad Ape.

[Blakemore Effects]

I have two on the way from The Mad Ape.

You sure they've shipped actually?

[livendieinchicag]

i ordered one from themadape's ebay store on saturday night. im really hoping i dont have to wait to long to get it!! if anyone else who ordered from the mad ape recieves their pedal, let me know!!!!

:beer

[slimjw]

I am on the fence about ordering one, mostly due to the delay time. I realize it is a 300ms design, but I was watching some youtube video were the guy had the delay time dimed and it seemed much shorter than that (almost like a real relaxed slap-back). I've played AD-9's and DM-2's and they were fine for my uses in terms of delay time. Anyone played both who can comment on this?

[Guitar Josh]

I am on the fence about ordering one, mostly due to the delay time. I realize it is a 300ms design, but I was watching some youtube video were the guy had the delay time dimed and it seemed much shorter than that (almost like a real relaxed slap-back). I've played AD-9's and DM-2's and they were fine for my uses in terms of delay time. Anyone played both who can comment on this?

This is the exact reason I went with the Malekko 616 for the same price. Double the delay time, plus modulation. Can't beat it.

[Blakemore Effects]

I am on the fence about ordering one, mostly due to the delay time. I realize it is a 300ms design, but I was watching some youtube video were the guy had the delay time dimed and it seemed much shorter than that (almost like a real relaxed slap-back). I've played AD-9's and DM-2's and they were fine for my uses in terms of delay time. Anyone played both who can comment on this?

I haven't played both yet, but I pre-ordered an Aqua Puss, and I currently own a DM-2, so I can let you know once I A/B them. I'm actually thinking about having one huge delay-fest of a shoot out when I get a few more of my pedals in the mail. Would anyone be interested in hearing these pedals in a shootout?

Analogman ARDX20
Boss DM-2
Dr. Scientist Sunny Day Delay
Ibanez DE7
Skreddy Echo
Way Huge Aqua Puss Reissue

Possibly I could throw in some Line 6 M13 models, or my Boss DD-3, if it hasn't sold by then, but I was thinking of doing mostly all analog (plus the DE7 since it's so highly regarded).

[whaiyun]

I can't wait for my AP! :D It's gonna be awesome for that bit of filler ambience.

[Teletone65]

You sure they've shipped actually?

They told me they did. Should be here Wednesday, I hope.

[whaiyun]

PICS PICS

[livendieinchicag]

I haven't played both yet, but I pre-ordered an Aqua Puss, and I currently own a DM-2, so I can let you know once I A/B them. I'm actually thinking about having one huge delay-fest of a shoot out when I get a few more of my pedals in the mail. Would anyone be interested in hearing these pedals in a shootout?

Analogman ARDX20
Boss DM-2
Dr. Scientist Sunny Day Delay
Ibanez DE7
Skreddy Echo
Way Huge Aqua Puss Reissue

Possibly I could throw in some Line 6 M13 models, or my Boss DD-3, if it hasn't sold by then, but I was thinking of doing mostly all analog (plus the DE7 since it's so highly regarded).

this would be awesome. and i second you're DE7 logic and am really curious to see how it stands up to the analogs.

[Blakemore Effects]

this would be awesome. and i second you're DE7 logic and am really curious to see how it stands up to the analogs.

I had a suggestion from someone that I shouldn't say which delay is which at first. Let people guess and see if they can pick out which one is which. Not sure how I feel about that yet.

[Papito]

got mine now from MadApe, can't wait...but you guys will get it first, I need it to fly all the way to Israel to plug it. in the meanwhile if someone got it, REVIEW please!

[whaiyun]

demo up on PGS!

[MeMota]

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[Big Boss Man]

PGS has them in stock now too. I just placed my order.

[skunx]

This thing does sound pretty sweet. Esspecially the subtle parts on that demo.

[orogeny]

Just got news that the aqua puss shipped out to me today, should have by the weekend. I have two originals.....an ap1 with the older board and a mint ap2. Really looking forward to comparing the new reissue with the originals.
love pics of the originals. . . inside and out. . .

[Blakemore Effects]

I dunno. Everyone seems to be liking it except for me. I'm just not in love with it from that demo. I expected it to sound dark like my DM-2, but this seems a lot brighter. I'll reserve judgment until I can actually try it in my set-up next week, but until I A/B this with my DM-2, I'm still liking the DM-2 more, just based off that video. We'll see though. I sure hope the Aqua Puss can win me over since I've been wanting one of these forever.

[Guitar Josh]

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Very underwhelmed. I think the 616 kills this (not to mention the original).

[Blakemore Effects]

Very underwhelmed. I think the 616 kills this (not to mention the original).

I knew you'd be in here after this was posted. :roll

[Guitar Josh]

I knew you'd be in here after this was posted. :roll

:D

Someone posted the following in another WH AP thread:

"Jorge Tripps got hounded over and over again to do a reissue of the AP and everytime he asked why...he mentioned all the killer analog delay pedals on the market today that offer 600ms+, FX loops, tap tempo, expression jacks, etc but people just had to keep on and on about the AP...Jorge and Dunlop listen, gave the people what they want and the first thing that happens is people wonder why they would reissue a dirt simple 300ms delay with no features..."

He's right. Tripps is a very astute man. He should have listened to his gut.

[Unadan]

^ The above is old news. I have no problem with a re-release if its a quality product - which, based at least on this demo, it seems to be. I was surprised at how good it sounded - especially with the overdriven signal. I also wouldn't judge it solely by this demo - try it out with your own gear and see if you like it!!

[Blakemore Effects]

^ The above is old news. I have no problem with a re-release if its a quality product - which, based at least on this demo, it seems to be. I was surprised at how good it sounded - especially with the overdriven signal. I also wouldn't judge it solely by this demo - try it out with your own gear and see if you like it!!

Exactly this. The demo didn't floor me, but I can't accurately judge until I've tried it in my own set-up, so hopefully the shop I bought it from gets it to me quickly!

[Papito]

Sounds great to me. not similar to the CC at all, the CC sounded to me like someone ruined the repeats on purpose to sound lo fi.

[brianeharmonjr]

Can't wait for mine.

[tonefreak]

Mine ships Friday... I never judge a pedal by demos.

[Guitar Josh]

Mine ships Friday... I never judge a pedal by demos.

Luckily many people do, or I would never have bought a Severe or Abunai 2 :D :D :D :D :D

[Lolaviola]

Underwhelmed? Methinks NOT.

[Zeon45]

Not impressed. Glad I decided to go with the T-Rex.

[livendieinchicag]

im still lookin forward to hopefully getting mine in the mail soon. i actually really liked the demo. i have other delays for the longer and modulated stuff. i wanted a aqua puss for exactly what the demo offered. cant wait to try it with my setup!!

[muffinMan74]

I can't wait until a month or two from now, when the shiny has worn off for everyone who had to jump immediately and they sell them for $90 in the emporium. O glorious day! I'll buy 4 and have, like, 1200 midiclorians.

[tonefreak]

Luckily many people do, or I would never have bought a Severe or Abunai 2 :D :D :D :D :D

Good point, but that's why I have a tourbox program! Yes, you may have to wait until the pedals get to you, but once you tried them there will be no doubt whether or not the pedals will work in your rig.

Aqua Puss will work great with my Carbon Copy. I was going to get another CC, so I can have slap back and a longer delay. Since the AP was released, I might as well get that one instead of another CC.

The Red Llama is my favorite WH dirt pedal.

[Blakemore Effects]

Just found out mine either shipped yesterday, or will ship today, but in any case I should have it by Monday at the latest.

[traviswalk]

i thought the demo was pretty darn good!

[Blakemore Effects]

:eeks

http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae354/moahdeeb/pedalboards2010010.jpg

[JP]

A Inside source told me May. :beer

[Guitar Josh]

A Inside source told me May. :beer
He's so inside, he's outside!

[frozze]

:eek:

http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae354/moahdeeb/pedalboards2010010.jpg

[astigtigas]

http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae354/moahdeeb/pedalboards2010010.jpg
:eeks:eeks:eeks:eeks:eeks:eeks:eeks

[Blakemore Effects]

A Inside source told me May. :beer

Tell your inside source I just got a confirmation e-mail that my Aqua Puss shipped today. lol

[Aran]

Very underwhelmed. I think the 616 kills this (not to mention the original).

I'll be honest. I used to own an original AP1 model and it didn't sound any different then the one in the video. Good? Yes, worth the legendary status? Well....

[PedalFreak]

Dunlop says early Spring. I'm guessing middle of March is when they will start shipping.

I was so happy that my rep was wrong. He has some explaining to do, making me think they'd take longer to get here.

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n200/guitarcollector8183/IMG00071-20100210-1258.jpg

[whaiyun]

The biggest difference between the original and the Mk II is the chip used. The original was using the MN3205(?) chip which are NOS. It would be too expensive to mass produce a reissue with these chips so Tripps used a different one. However, he did comment the tonal differences between the two were unnoticeable at 9V. Take it how you will. People will still say the original sounds "better".

[erer]

man, that demo sounded great!

[Teletone65]

My two came today.

[Blakemore Effects]

I demand more clips out of all of you that got your reissues today!

[livendieinchicag]

My two came today.

i ordered mine from the mad ape as well. i hope mine are at my house when i get there tonite!!

[Guitar Josh]

I was so happy that my rep was wrong. He has some explaining to do, making me think they'd take longer to get here.



I'll accept this as your apology :D :D :beer

[PedalFreak]

I'll accept this as your apology :D :D :beer

Yeah yeah yeah :D :beer

[derek2615]

Mine is shipping from PGS today. I never use more than 300ms delay anyway... Hope it's as good as they say...

[PedalFreak]

Mine is shipping from PGS today. I never use more than 300ms delay anyway... Hope it's as good as they say...

I've been playing it a lot since we got it in. While I've never played an original, this one is really really good!

[BudLite]

The orig. AP has a MN3005. with out that chip it will be a little different.


The biggest difference between the original and the Mk II is the chip used. The original was using the MN3205(?) chip which are NOS. It would be too expensive to mass produce a reissue with these chips so Tripps used a different one. However, he did comment the tonal differences between the two were unnoticeable at 9V. Take it how you will. People will still say the original sounds "better".

[Teletone65]

I've never played an original either, I agree, these things sound great. It is the delay sound I have been looking for. It is crisp and clean but warm.

[Dumo]

That's how I would characterize it as well. It's a nice middle ground between darker analog units and digital delays. Best of both worlds.

[trucks]

I have one on order. The description above is everything I've wanted in a delay. If it achieves that at this price point then I will be floored. I've always loved the look of the pedal and glad they stuck with it.

[davidj]

Got mine today, I love it.
It's got way more clarity than my CC, but this is definitely my new favorite delay.
Now I'm sure there's those of you that won't dig it cause you need more time, but I play rockabilly and am currently in a surf band, so 300ms is perfect for me.
Also, a pic
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v398/teartheskyin2/IMG00129-20100210-1850.jpg

[Blakemore Effects]

Man, those look soooo good. Let's hope that if my package left Illinois early yesterday morning, that it will be here today haha.

[analogmike]

Thumbs up from my shipping guy, he tested a few out today. I did a quick test and thought it was great too.

[Blakemore Effects]

I'll check my mail after class. Hopefully I've got a Way Huge pedal waiting for me today, and if not, hopefully it'll be here tomorrow. :D

[hunkowood]

Mike just shipped mine out today. Thanks Mike.

Hunk

[Jahn]

That's how I would characterize it as well. It's a nice middle ground between darker analog units and digital delays. Best of both worlds.


that sounds like how I describe my AD80, with the DBD I had definitely being less crisp, which I thought was more of a DM2 vibe. if the puss slots in between the AD80 and DMM, that's going to be a sweet spot for a delay right there. right now i get that effect by turning both my DMM and AD80, match beats, and have at it.

[livendieinchicag]

hmmm usps tracking said yesterday that mine left a sorting facility about an hour from my house. if its not here today im gonna be kinda pissed.

[Sandro]

I was going to pull the trigger but the 300ms is to short for me.

Sandro

[madscientist]

I just placed an order from Musictoyz....should get it tomorrow or Saturday...can't wait to check it out.


P.S. I signed the "petition" thread, and kept my promise.

[missing_dave]

So when do these hit local dealers and places like GC ?

[mahler]

So when do these hit local dealers and places like GC ?

Hopefully soon, would love to try it and if it impresses me, take it home!

[wiklund87]

http://files.effectsdatabase.com/brands/pics/wayhuge_lot_001.jpg

Have anyone tried the Super-Puss?

[Guitar Josh]

In case anyone was interested, here's a webarchive capture of the old WH site:

http://www.jedistar.com/pdf/wayhuge_product_1999.pdf

[fuzzface71]

WANT!!

[Unadan]

Does it sound as good as the older AP-2?
Like i said it is close and is worth the $150.00 but it does alter your guitar tone when engaged, no volume boost or cut..........just makes my strat sound a little duller when engaged, the older ap-2 keeps all the strat chimey tones there, the reissue does not.

-Can anyone else confirm whether their guitar sounds "duller" with the effect engaged? That would bother me if true.

[Medication]

:D
Someone posted the following in another WH AP thread:

"Jorge Tripps got hounded over and over again to do a reissue of the AP and everytime he asked why...he mentioned all the killer analog delay pedals on the market today that offer 600ms+, FX loops, tap tempo, expression jacks, etc but people just had to keep on and on about the AP...Jorge and Dunlop listen, gave the people what they want and the first thing that happens is people wonder why they would reissue a dirt simple 300ms delay with no features..."

He's right. Tripps is a very astute man. He should have listened to his gut.

I don't understand the significance of claiming "he should have listened to his gut."
I think it's great we have so many delays (nonetheless, analog delays) readily available.
Does this pedal's mass production affect you in some significant way that hinders your everyday routine?

Just sayin :dunno

[Guitar Josh]

I don't understand the significance of claiming "he should have listened to his gut."
I think it's great we have so many delays (nonetheless, analog delays) readily available.
Does this pedal's mass production affect you in some significant way that hinders your everyday routine?

Just sayin :dunno

Either you understand what Jorge was saying or you don't. You appear not to. I suggest re-reading it, with a special consideration given to the current state of analog delay technology.

[Unadan]

The only way the "should have listened to his gut" comment makes sense is if the new aqua puss is an abject failure. Somehow I don't think that will be the case.

[Medication]

Either you understand what Jorge was saying or you don't. You appear not to. I suggest re-reading it, with a special consideration given to the current state of analog delay technology.
Sorry, you must've misunderstood me.
What I was curious about was why you feel that Jeorge "should have listened to his gut."?

[steven d]

-Can anyone else confirm whether their guitar sounds "duller" with the effect engaged? That would bother me if true.
I just want to be clear that i think the new aqua puss sounds fantastic and jeorge has done a great job. I was not that impressed with the other new dunlop way huge pedals. The pedal does make my strat sound a little duller compaired to the older Puss. I would not hesitate to throw this pedal on my board and take to shows with no worrys.
Now if he would just make the Super Puss i would be happy.

[Guitar Josh]

Sorry, you must've misunderstood me.
What I was curious about was why you feel that Jeorge "should have listened to his gut."?

I mean, I feel like he's right.

300ms delay without modulation, TT, etc. makes this a very limited pedal. For it's time, it was incredible, but I think, as did Jorge, that its time may have passed.

Take a 808 for instance. Same basic platform, but it's been improved countless times and countless ways.

I would have loved to see Jorge double the delay time (at least), add potentially external tap tempo, maybe some additional controls, or even modulation or warble, something besides a straight reissue.

Even the Swollen Pickle had updates to its MKII model. Why the AP doesn't really makes little sense.

I anticipate seeing quite a few of these on the emporium as people buy them and get past the nostalgia aspect of them.

[orogeny]

I mean, I feel like he's right.


I would have loved to see Jorge double the delay time (at least), add potentially external tap tempo, maybe some additional controls, or even modulation or warble, something besides a straight reissue.




he did. it's called the carbon copy:aok

i agree that they will be easy to buy at 100 bucks in a years time . .. . . if not much sooner.

[Guitar Josh]

he did. it's called the carbon copy:aok

i agree that they will be easy to buy at 100 bucks in a years time . .. . . if not much sooner.

I mentioned it before, the very things that Jorge mentioned are what brought me to the 616 over the Aqua Puss.

[brianeharmonjr]

Well, I got mine today and love it. Don't really care what all you big spenders think. I never cared that much about the original Way Huge stuff because I new I'd never be able to justify spending that much on a basic analog delay or muff copy. The new stuff by Jorge/Dunlop puts pretty damn incredible pedals in a price range average Joe's without a ton of extra cash to spend on over-hyped rarities can afford. Thanks to Jorge and Dunlop!

[tjmicsak]

I got mine today after seeing one in Brad Paisley's rig, years of buying wishfull substitutions and just missing the boat some years ago right after Mr. Huge stoppped building but still had the website, so I decided to put them all in a row:
AD80
Memory Lane
Carbon Copy
AP MKII

DD3 (large chip)
H2O
First Act

The closest one of the bunch to the AP was the ML. The APII could easily sub out the memory lane V1- but only with a good power supply. As soon as the 9V gets labored the trails can get a bit distorted. The AP needs a good supply as it drains batteries quite quickly. Both the AP and the memory lane had almost identical decay characteristics on the trails.

CC has darker clear trails with less noticable decay on the trails. There is decay, but not so dramatic as the AP and ML.
AD80 was the darkest of the Analogs but that is a good character if needed. Alot of decay on trails but going from dark to darker.


DD3 was the brightest of the digitals.
H2O was the middle of the digitals with an obvious decay circuit that went too fast from clean to decayed.
First act was the best digital being very VERY analog sounding but with great clarity too. Slight decay sound but very smooth.
Glad I got one of these at TRU when they had them!

I noticed some distortion in the trails and eventually the pedal actually began to run away ocilate and even at low settings it would not stop.
I turned the feedback knob all the way down and still it ran away. I quickly found out that this is a symptom of the dying battery, and it happened in about 15 minutes.
Get a power supply for this one, but for the money you are getting very close to a ML. Great pedal at a great price. Thanks Jorge! I finally got my AP.

[brianeharmonjr]

I quickly found out that this is a symptom of the dying battery, and it happened in about 15 minutes.
Get a power supply for this one, but for the money you are getting very close to a ML. Great pedal at a great price. Thanks Jorge! I finally got my AP.

I've never even bothered using a battery on any time-based effect (and I really don't use batteries in any pedals, ever). They're all battery drainers.

[Guitarplayerdan]

okay i dont like the demo but still would love to try it out. I also didn't like most of the King of tone demos but man when i played one myself i knew i needed to get one. I like my carbon copy but i might have to try one out when all the excietment dies down.

[The P-Man]

I mean, I feel like he's right.

300ms delay without modulation, TT, etc. makes this a very limited pedal. For it's time, it was incredible, but I think, as did Jorge, that its time may have passed.

Take a 808 for instance. Same basic platform, but it's been improved countless times and countless ways.

I would have loved to see Jorge double the delay time (at least), add potentially external tap tempo, maybe some additional controls, or even modulation or warble, something besides a straight reissue.

Even the Swollen Pickle had updates to its MKII model. Why the AP doesn't really makes little sense.

I anticipate seeing quite a few of these on the emporium as people buy them and get past the nostalgia aspect of them.

But despite all the 'improvements' people still want and buy TS808s because they're the original. Sometimes its the limitations of a product that make it what it is. Same goes for the AP.

I'm the least technical person I know but presumably if the delay time was doubled it would have required different components making it sound different from the original - not really the point.

I don't really see how the Aqua Puss was 'incredible' for its time any more than it is now. Its a modified Boss DM2, no?

[Teletone65]

-Can anyone else confirm whether their guitar sounds "duller" with the effect engaged? That would bother me if true.

I have a non vintage nocaster and Fender style amps. I can honestly say I have been through about 15 of the top analog delays and this delay is the best of the bunch. It does not dull my tone at all. I bought two and will probably buy a third as a backup. For my style of music, this is the delay sound I was looking for.

[Guitar Josh]

But despite all the 'improvements' people still want and buy TS808s because they're the original. Sometimes its the limitations of a product that make it what it is. Same goes for the AP.

I'm the least technical person I know but presumably if the delay time was doubled it would have required different components making it sound different from the original - not really the point.

I don't really see how the Aqua Puss was 'incredible' for its time any more than it is now. Its a modified Boss DM2, no?

It's not the point? It's called the MK2. The Swollen Pickle Mk2 is a vastly different pedal. This could have been as well. It probably wouldn't have required anything more than a few additional chips. This sounds different from the original anyway, so what's the difference?

Your TS808 argument makes no sense.

The AP came at a time when 1) The DM2 was no longer readily available; 2) used high quality parts; and 3) was TB, all of which were fairly novel concepts at the time.

[BudLite]

Are there internal pic's available? What chip or chips are they using? Thanks

[The P-Man]

It's not the point? It's called the MK2. The Swollen Pickle Mk2 is a vastly different pedal. This could have been as well. It probably wouldn't have required anything more than a few additional chips. This sounds different from the original anyway, so what's the difference?

Your TS808 argument makes no sense.

The AP came at a time when 1) The DM2 was no longer readily available; 2) used high quality parts; and 3) was TB, all of which were fairly novel concepts at the time.

As i understand it, the reissue happened on account of the demand from people that wanted the original due to players like John Mayer etc using them. You and I both know that if MkII had featured 600ms of delay and tap tempo it would lose the market that demanded it in the first place.

My TS808 'argument' makes no sense?! There's hundreds of 'improved' TS808s. Some with less mids, some that are more 'hi-fi, some with stronger bass response. My argument is, the more 'improved' they become, the less like a ts808 they are. Therefore, if you want a ts808, buy a ts808. If you want a 600ms tap tempo analog delay, don't buy and AP and move on.

I don't see your argument. This delay doesn't do it for you, fine, lets hope it makes all the people that asked for it to be reissued happy.

[Jahn]

I got mine today after seeing one in Brad Paisley's rig, years of buying wishfull substitutions and just missing the boat some years ago right after Mr. Huge stoppped building but still had the website, so I decided to put them all in a row:
AD80
Memory Lane
Carbon Copy
AP MKII

DD3 (large chip)
H2O
First Act

The closest one of the bunch to the AP was the ML. The APII could easily sub out the memory lane V1- but only with a good power supply. As soon as the 9V gets labored the trails can get a bit distorted. The AP needs a good supply as it drains batteries quite quickly. Both the AP and the memory lane had almost identical decay characteristics on the trails.

CC has darker clear trails with less noticable decay on the trails. There is decay, but not so dramatic as the AP and ML.
AD80 was the darkest of the Analogs but that is a good character if needed. Alot of decay on trails but going from dark to darker.


DD3 was the brightest of the digitals.
H2O was the middle of the digitals with an obvious decay circuit that went too fast from clean to decayed.
First act was the best digital being very VERY analog sounding but with great clarity too. Slight decay sound but very smooth.
Glad I got one of these at TRU when they had them!

I noticed some distortion in the trails and eventually the pedal actually began to run away ocilate and even at low settings it would not stop.
I turned the feedback knob all the way down and still it ran away. I quickly found out that this is a symptom of the dying battery, and it happened in about 15 minutes.
Get a power supply for this one, but for the money you are getting very close to a ML. Great pedal at a great price. Thanks Jorge! I finally got my AP.


Whahaaa? Makes the AD80 sound dark comparatively? Man, I've been using the AD80 as my definition type delay, with the DMM the hashout. Hmm, APII...

[nixpix]

Mine arrived today from PGS. This is really the pedal I've been looking for! I've had a few: Ibanez EM-5 Echomachine, Keeley Ibanez AD9, Boss DD-2, CMATMods Deeelay, MXR Carbon Copy. I use my delays for mostly slapback. For me this pedal is the best sounding of all of these. I'll give you my impressions...

...I find the repeats to be warm and super natural. They sound good with my Tim pedal set for grit - I think some delays are better at this than others. The repeats aren't super defined like a digital pedal - the attack of the repeats are soft. I don't do self-oscillation and all that so I can't comment on those sounds and functions.

I've never played an original, but for the price ($150) I think most people who don't need tap tempo and over 300ms delay would be very happy with this pedal.

[steven d]

Thought there might be a few freaks out there who might like this.
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[mikelaw]

Mine ships Friday... I never judge a pedal by demos.

right on

[koolgearguy]

Got mine today, I love it! But I noticed a slight high pitched frequency, following some notes while picking (when the delay level was set to max). It's almost like a ghost note or something. I'm somewhat new to delay, but over the past year I've had a keeley ad9, and still have an analogman ar20dl. Those didn't seem to do this. I will put it thru more paces tomorrow, with different amps. Is this normal? Because it's my favorite setting that I found. Should I be concerned? It's a great pedal, I just want to make sure there is nothing wrong with it...Because I didn't notice it for the first hour of test driving it.

I used a strat, super reverb, and powered with my pp2+, all in good working order.

[SG-GUY 92']

Mine was ordered today, as a Valentines Day gift from my Girlfriend. Should arrive sometime next week :)

[Blakemore Effects]

Mine showed up today. I didn't get much time to test it out at all (only 10 minutes or so), but from my first experience, it seems like that demo video is pretty much spot on. That's unfortunate for me, because I didn't really care for the demo video too much. I compared the Aqua Puss to my Analogman ARDX20 (at comparable settings), and the Analogman won, hands down. The Aqua Puss seems a lot brighter than I like in a delay, which is odd, since I thought it was a DM-2 clone, and my DM-2 is the darkest delay pedal I've ever heard. Also, that weird high pitched noise that was in the video (that sounded almost ring-mod like) on the repeats when the delay time was maxed out is definitely there. I was hoping it was just a problem with recording the video, but it definitely is there. Overall though, the Analogman just seemed warmer, and more pleasing to my ears, while the Aqua Puss just seemed overly bright, and sort of harsh in comparison.

I'll try it out again tomorrow, and actually A/B it with my DM-2 so I can compare them head-to-head, but I'm not feeling good about the Aqua Pusses chances right now, which is very disappointing for me since I've been wanting an Aqua Puss for years. :( Oh well. Tomorrow is another day, and hopefully my opinions will be completed changed about the Aqua Puss after tomorrow's tests!

[koolgearguy]

sounds like you need to turn back a little on the feedback

Thanks, I had the feedback turned all the way down.

I guess I'm relieved that you (rhcp311) are hearing the exact same high pitched sound, when the delay is maxed. Guess mine is not a lemon, it just may be a slight flaw in the pedal. No matter where you set the feedback or blend knobs, if the delay knob is maxed the frequency is there. And this is most likely a preferred setting by some out there, but it's definitely mine.

Please chime in: Did the originals do this? Is anyone else experiencing this with their reissue?

I truly love the pedal, I just want to make sure that this frequency is just part of the puss' nature....

[JZG]

Got mine today, I love it! But I noticed a slight high pitched frequency, following some notes while picking (when the delay level was set to max). It's almost like a ghost note or something. I'm somewhat new to delay, but over the past year I've had a keeley ad9, and still have an analogman ar20dl. Those didn't seem to do this. I will put it thru more paces tomorrow, with different amps. Is this normal? Because it's my favorite setting that I found. Should I be concerned? It's a great pedal, I just want to make sure there is nothing wrong with it...Because I didn't notice it for the first hour of test driving it.

I used a strat, super reverb, and powered with my pp2+, all in good working order.

Mine has the same issue. Almost like an octave up or ring modulator effect. At first, I onlly heard it with the Blend at about 10:00 or higher, but now I hear it at lower Blend settings. I have a replacement on the way.

[koolgearguy]

Mine has the same issue. Almost like an octave up or ring modulator effect. At first, I onlly heard it with the Blend at about 10:00 or higher, but now I hear it at lower Blend settings. I have a replacement on the way.

So that's three of us experiencing the same issue, and not crazy about it. So you are returning yours, for another reissue?

I'd like to see if anyone else is experiencing it as well?!?

[whaiyun]

Can any of you get a sound clip of this issue?

[JZG]

So that's three of us experiencing the same issue, and not crazy about it. So you are returning yours, for another reissue?

I'd like to see if anyone else is experiencing it as well?!?

Yes, I have another one on the way. I too wasn't sure if this is how the pedal is supposed to sound, so I contacted the dealer I bought it from to see if I could exchange it.

[Unadan]

Please post a sound clip of this high pitched frequency. I'm planning on picking one of these up in the next few days and want to play it at the store to see if I hear something similar before I buy. Thanks!

[koolgearguy]

I do not currently have a way to post a clip, but rhcp311 said he could hear it on the pgs clip (earlier in this thread). And I too heard it this morning from the clip, which I didn't before I received the pedal. It's pretty subtle in the clip, but much more pronounced when physically testing. Some will be able to live with it, some won't. It may be alright when playing out live, I'll post my results after a show or two. I really love the tone of the pedal, that high end frequency just disappointed me on my favorite setting...

[ruger9]

Can't wait to see the "new vs. old" comparison video... come on, somebody with an old one, do a demo!

(not that it matters to ME, personally, it's too limited of a box for me, but it'll be interesting to see how close Jorge got it using the new chip.)

[Unadan]

Koolgear can you point to the exact minute/second in the PGS clip where you feel this can be heard? Are you referring to the trails at about the 2:20 mark? It's tougher to tell here because of the amps distortion. It seems like it would be easier to hear any high frequency problem when Andy is playing with a clean amp. Honestly I don't hear any problems during the clean portions of the clip.

[Blakemore Effects]

Starting at 1:40 he uses the longest delay time, and that's when you can start to hear it. I was just hoping it was faulty recording on their part, but it doesn't seem like it in person. I'll do more testing today though, to see what I think.

[Unadan]

I went and listened to the clip beginning at 1:40. I'm not hearing any issues there. All I hear are the note definitions in the trails that began with the original notes. There is a slight distortion there but it seems like it is coming from his amp setup.

[Blakemore Effects]

I went and listened to the clip beginning at 1:40. I'm not hearing any issues there. All I hear are the note definitions in the trails that began with the original notes. There is a slight distortion there but it seems like it is coming from his amp setup.

That's what I thought too, but that hasn't been my experience so far..

[Papito]

That's what I thought too, but that hasn't been my experience so far..

Every 100% analog delay will distort on a long feedback setting, also I listened repeatedly from 1:40, and couldn't hear anything you talking about that reminds me a ring modulator or an octave pitch.

[Blakemore Effects]

Every 100% analog delay will distort on a long feedback setting, also I listened repeatedly from 1:40, and couldn't hear anything you talking about that reminds me a ring modulator or an octave pitch.

Not even at 1:50?

[PerFusionist]

I could hear it when he bangs those chords out right around 1:45 or so. Its not just the "analog distortion" which is also there. Interesting...kinda cool in a way.

[Blakemore Effects]

Comparing it to my DM-2 as we speak. The DM-2 seems to have the same sort of problem on it's longest settings, but it is a lot more pronounced on the Aqua Puss. Right now, giving the edge to the DM-2, but the Skreddy Echo I got today destroys them both. :love:

[redeyeflight]

I definately hear that high pitched ringing in the clip. I had the same issue with an old boss DM-3, it would have some nasty high pitched artifacts when the delay time was maxed. I believe it's a term called "clock noise" and it happens when the bucket brigade chip reaches the max limit of it's ability to do a ling echo. With proper calibation you can get rid of this at the expense of having less delay time. Sounds like the new aqua pusses either aren't well calibrated or the bb chip in them just isn't going to sound good at it's max time. Either way it's rather dissapointing...I'm going by memory here but having played a friends original aqua puss some time ago I remember it did not have this issue.

[JZG]

FWIW, I used the AP at band practice today, keeping it on all the time, and I was never able to pick out this anamoly that some of us are reporting.

[Blakemore Effects]

FWIW, I used the AP at band practice today, keeping it on all the time, and I was never able to pick out this anamoly that some of us are reporting.

If you were using it on all the time, I'm assuming you didn't have the delay time cranked? I think that may be the main source of the problem.

[tjmicsak]

Got mine. No issues with it at all and I am very happy. One thing I will note though is when I got it out of the box I noticed a small rattle inside so I opened the battery cover (which is a real nice feature!) and shook it a bit to see what would fall out. It ended up being a snipped off lead to a component left inside from manufacuring. Glad I noticed it and got it out before it shorted something out.

[koolgearguy]

Just wanted to chime back in, I really do love the mkii. That little bit of high frequency on the max delay setting, doesn't overshadow the great amazing tone from this pedal. It will be easy to live with, because it stacks well and will cut in beautifully in a live mix. Just wanted to followup, and reaffirm it's worth the $150. Don't hesitate to give it a shot, it's a nice piece.

[Unadan]

How is the tone from the Aqua in comparison to the shorter delay sounds from the Carbon Copy or big box DMM? (both of which I own).

[GuitarBrent]

Over rated. I know the emporium will be full of these when guys realize how limited they are. You got a dark slap back sound with clock noise guys. No tap tempo. No modulation. No presets. 300ms. Over rated. Guitar Josh is right. The original Aqua Puss' were inventive for their time, but look like old geezers now. Jorge was right to not want to make these. Hype will sell enough units to make it worth their while though. And then folks will move on to the next thing, and sell their Aqua Pusses.

[lukeII]

Over rated. I know the emporium will be full of these when guys realize how limited they are. You got a dark slap back sound with clock noise guys. No tap tempo. No modulation. No presets. 300ms. Over rated. Guitar Josh is right. The original Aqua Puss' were inventive for their time, but look like old geezers now. Jorge was right to not want to make these. Hype will sell enough units to make it worth their while though. And then folks will move on to the next thing, and sell their Aqua Pusses.

No tap tempo, no modulation, no presets and 300 ms.... why did you even bother buying or trying a reissue???. The whole point of a reissue is to reissue a delay which is as close as possible to the original (chip limitation is one exceptio n), and not to make an analog delay factory. The features you are referencing would make the AP reissue a very different circuit that would have nothing to do with the original which is fine but then it why expect it to be related to the aquapuss.

If you are interested in a specific delay such as an Echoplex, TTE, Pete Cornish TES, Binson, Boss DM2 or AD9 then you have to accept the inherent limitations to that delay in terms of features, pros and cons etc. Otherwise you are just wasting your cash and your time.

The thing that made the Aquapuss such a popular delay is that it is an outstanding short analog delay that gives warmth while maintaining a good amount of clarity and is great for the type of short delays that you see used in blues, jazz, country rockabilly or classic rock. It is in no way sufficient to cover a great variety of delay applications.

[Austintone]

My AP should arrive tomorrow. I remember many, many years ago being in the local guitar shop as a teeneager and playing an original AP. I was amazed at how easy it was to dial in the delay sounds I wanted. So, in part, I am going off a memeory that is over 17 years old. I have been through a few high end delay pedals - it is an effect I do not use that often, but one I like to have the option of having on my board. For me, 300 MS is plenty of delay time, and I am stoked to have an easy to dial in delay pedal.

[skywade]

I agree with lukeII. Maybe not everyone that buys an Aqua Puss needs tap tempo, modulation, presets, and whatever else you require from a delay pedal. All I need a delay pedal for is the quick slapback and this pedal does the job. When I play guitar, I worry more about playing the right note than what pedal I can stomp on next.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Just because the Aqua Puss doesn't appeal to GuitarBrent, doesn't mean it won't work for me.

[GuitarBrent]

I agree with lukeII. Maybe not everyone that buys an Aqua Puss needs tap tempo, modulation, presets, and whatever else you require from a delay pedal. All I need a delay pedal for is the quick slapback and this pedal does the job. When I play guitar, I worry more about playing the right note than what pedal I can stomp on next.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. Just because the Aqua Puss doesn't appeal to GuitarBrent, doesn't mean it won't work for me.

This is true, and for those guys that only want that one sound, then the Aqua Puss is an option. I still believe and have believed since they were commanding crazy EBAY money over the last 8-10 years that this pedal is over hyped and over rated for what it does.

[slopeshoulder]

The thing that made the Aquapuss such a popular delay is that it is an outstanding short analog delay that gives warmth while maintaining a good amount of clarity and is great for the type of short delays that you see used in blues, jazz, country rockabilly or classic rock. It is in no way sufficient to cover a great variety of delay applications.

Sounds like you are describing the original Analogman AR-20DL (also discontinued). Great for short/slap/room.
Has anyone compared these 2?

[telecasterlove]

The problem with the aqua puss is that the carbon copy is a better sounding pedal and more useful. The carbon copy is also made by the same company and roughly the same price if not $25 cheaper at some locations. I would much rather 600ms and some modulation than 300ms and zero modulation other than clock noise ring modulation. not to mention the carbon copy is smaller and in my opinion looks cooler.

[erksin]

I think trying to compare a 300mS delay against a 600mS is pretty pointless.

For some people (myself included), only a 300mS will do the job for slapback and thickening/double-tracked sounds - longer delays just dont have the same response and feel at shorter settings. You use the right tool for the job, and this sounds like a good option for short time delays.

I guess 'value' is determined by the user, and for $150 I think that's a pretty cool pedal. Based solely on clips, I much prefer my AR20DL to the AP as it's a clearer sound to my ears - I'd like to try one in person though, just to see what the fuss is all about.

[Austintone]

This is true, and for those guys that only want that one sound, then the Aqua Puss is an option. I still believe and have believed since they were commanding crazy EBAY money over the last 8-10 years that this pedal is over hyped and over rated for what it does.

Based on the insane ebay prices - absolutely. I have an Analogman Sunlion, have you seen the ebay prices on those? In comparison, the Sunlion prices are absurd because you can still buy both components, just not in the same box.

[analogmike]

The problem with the aqua puss is that the carbon copy is a better sounding pedal and more useful. The carbon copy is also made by the same company and roughly the same price if not $25 cheaper at some locations. I would much rather 600ms and some modulation than 300ms and zero modulation other than clock noise ring modulation. not to mention the carbon copy is smaller and in my opinion looks cooler.

I sell both so I am not biased, but I disagree. Look inside the pedals and you will see why the Way Huge costs what it costs, it's hand made with normal parts. If something goes wrong, anyone can fix it, you can find most of the parts at radio shack. Machine made boards like the Carbon Copy are great because they are cheap to make, but if something goes wrong and you are out of warranty it's probably landfill.

And the basic tone of the aquapuss may be better, a lot of people care about the tone more, option on a pedal that does not sound good are like tits on a bull.

Both pedals have their uses, which one you prefer depends on your needs.

[Mac-P]

The whole question of whether the AP was too dated to re-released is silly in my opinion.

There are plenty of people who don't need more than 300ms, or modulation. And many of us use a vintage unit because it sounds better.

There's a reason why some folks will still stick to their old Boss or Ibanez unit despite the several significant "improvements" in more modern designs.

Regarding tap tempo (which I think anyone may find useful): to my ears, the beauty of an old Boss DM-2 (or similar) is that since the repeats are not as defined and sort of have a drippy reverby thing that stretches out & creates a textural wash in the background, tap tempo is not really necessary. I bend down & adjust the knob if I need to. I'll take the trade off for that sound - I mean, come on...

And I betchya anything, if Boss turned around tomorrow & re-released the DM-2 no one would be saying it is a stupid idea.

:D

[missing_dave]

The carbon copy is also made by the same company and roughly the same price if not $25 cheaper at some locations. I would much rather 600ms and some modulation than 300ms and zero modulation other than clock noise ring modulation. not to mention the carbon copy is smaller and in my opinion looks cooler.


valid points..I haven't tried them yet but based off spec i could see your points

[sutherland]

And I betchya anything, if Boss turned around tomorrow & re-released the DM-2 no one would be saying it is a stupid idea.

:D


They will be saying "What a great idea, about time!!" until it is released...at that point, they will criticize. "Gosh...why doesn't the DM-2 have TB, where is tap tempo...ugh."

[nightraven]

i would get one of these if someone could put a delay-oscillator-modulation thing on it :)

[Mac-P]

I sell both so I am not biased, but I disagree. Look inside the pedals and you will see why the Way Huge costs what it costs, it's hand made with normal parts. If something goes wrong, anyone can fix it, you can find most of the parts at radio shack. Machine made boards like the Carbon Copy are great because they are cheap to make, but if something goes wrong and you are out of warranty it's probably landfill.

And the basic tone of the aquapuss may be better, a lot of people care about the tone more, option on a pedal that does not sound good are like tits on a bull.

Both pedals have their uses, which one you prefer depends on your needs.

Well said.

Aside from construction issues, the Carbon Copy sounds nothing like what I want a good analog delay to sound like. To my ears, the CC sounds waaay too defined - like a digital delay with a tone control.

From the ProGuitarShop clip the RI AquaPuss sounds like they got some of that drippy blurry "repeats schmearing into one another" analog character right - which is the very thing I was doubting they were going to get right (though I thought it was going to be due to the lack of the old chips). I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. Of course trying one in person is a different thing altogether...

[orogeny]

Well said.

Aside from construction issues, the Carbon Copy sounds nothing like what I want a good analog delay to sound like. To my ears, the CC sounds waaay too defined - like a digital delay with a tone control.

From the ProGuitarShop clip the RI AquaPuss sounds like they got some of that drippy blurry "repeats schmearing into one another" analog character right - which is the very thing I was doubting they were going to get right (though I thought it was going to be due to the lack of the old chips). I have to say I was pleasantly surprised. Of course trying one in person is a different thing altogether...
ya see?! one man's darkness is another man's clarity. . . . .

i think the carbon copy is my second favorite analog delay. . . right after a DMM. both of them are pretty 'clear' in their initial repeats. . . .which i love. it is also a characteristic of the 'better' slapback delays. better, of course, meaning 'what i like better'. . . . .

. . . and some folks claim the carbon copy is too dark. .. .

there is no dark side of the moon, really. . . . as a matter of fact, it's all dark.

[madscientist]

I had a chance to test mine out over the weekend, and I'm thrilled. I wanted a delay like this for some slap back/reverb-ish delay that has a bit more character to than a digital but yet, doesn't have the darkness that I find so irritating in many other analog delays. This pedal NAILS it! So rarely does a pedal deliver exactly what I want, but the AP does.

[Teletone65]

I'm really loving my two AP's. Thanks Way Huge for reissuing these! They are the perfect delay for slapback. I agree, I bought mine for the tone, not for added features. For $150, I think its a steal.

[kelvinator60]

And I betchya anything, if Boss turned around tomorrow & re-released the DM-2 no one would be saying it is a stupid idea.

:D

I have often wondered what Boss is / has been waiting for!

[analogmike]

The real question then: are you going to offer a MK2 to original AP mod

:munch

Good question. It's not easy to mod a pedal (even the later DM2 or DM3) with the 3205 chip to use the 3005 chip, even if you had a supply of the long-gone 3005 chips. So I don't think you will see that type of mods as it's a bit impractical.

[erksin]

I have often wondered what Boss is / has been waiting for!

Boss' worldview does not include the rear-view mirror.

[kelvinator60]

Boss' worldview does not include the rear-view mirror.

I suppose there is something to be said for this. I would think if there is money to be made that they would do it much like Ibanez has done with the Tube Screamers but Boss doesn't seem to be hurting so...

[ruger9]

And I betchya anything, if Boss turned around tomorrow & re-released the DM-2 no one would be saying it is a stupid idea.

:D

I thought the original AP WAS a clone of the DM2??? Which would mean the RI AP is a RI of a clone of the DM2... I think...

[Unadan]

Contrary to the "rear view mirror" comment the Boss DD-7 contains a very good model of the DM-2 in its analog mode. I've got two DM-2s and man I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in a blind test.

[Blakemore Effects]

Contrary to the "rear view mirror" comment the Boss DD-7 contains a very good model of the DM-2 in its analog mode. I've got two DM-2s and man I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in a blind test.

I had heard people say that before, but never someone who actually owned a DM-2 also. That's interesting to say the least.

[JZG]

If you were using it on all the time, I'm assuming you didn't have the delay time cranked? I think that may be the main source of the problem.

Sorry...left the party for awhile. I was running the delay time pretty close to cranked. Maybe anywhere from 2:00 - 4:00. Later that evening, I did some more fiddling with the AP in my studio, and honestly, sometimes I hear this clock noise thing, other times I don't. I think it might just be one of those things that when you're playing in a quiet, controlled environment, it's gonna jump out at you, but put it in the band mix and it's gone.

Putting all that aside, I think it's a fantastic sounding pedal.

[erksin]

Contrary to the "rear view mirror" comment the Boss DD-7 contains a very good model of the DM-2 in its analog mode. I've got two DM-2s and man I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in a blind test.

This goes to prove my point - they would rather use new technology to model an analog circuit than to go 'backwards' in their view and reissue a faithful analog copy.

[Unadan]

Personally I wouldn't want Boss to reissue the DM-2 unless they used the exact same BBDs they originally used. The best reissues I've played are those that have been recently made by MXR/Dunlop: the 76 reissue Dyna Comp and the 74 Phaser, and JH-F1 fuzz, are faithful recreations of the original equipment. I've also recently obtained the whiteface rat reissue - smokin!!

[kelvinator60]

I picked up a DM-2 with 3205s off ebay and got it last night. I used to own on in the past and missed it. I played it next to my Retro Sonic Analog Delay and the Retro Sonic can nail the tone exactly AND do a lot more.

[Mac-P]

I picked up a DM-2 with 3205s off ebay and got it last night. I used to own on in the past and missed it. I played it next to my Retro Sonic Analog Delay and the Retro Sonic can nail the tone exactly AND do a lot more.


A friend & I spent a long time comparing the Retrosonic Analog Delay to a few vintage DM-2's & I don't think they sound anything alike, despite what influenced the Retrosonic's design.

The two of us were in agreement that the Retrosonic is much more pristine & hi-fi sounding - like many of the new analogs that use the new chips. Great pedal & the 2nd foot switch is really useful - but a DM-2 it ain't.

[kelvinator60]

I had no issues dialing up a good DM-2 sound with mine. The trick was finding the sweet spot on the tone knob. It was about one tic off the darkest setting. Anything other than that it was it's own creature I agree.

Maybe you were using DM-2s with the 3005. Mine has the 3205.

[Unadan]

I've had DM-2s with the 3005 and 3205 chips. There was zero difference to my ears.

[kelvinator60]

Yeah I think the 3005 and 3205 difference is all bunk myself. Your testing just proves that.

[spitshineguitars]

I started the "RI the AP thread" and I still haven't got mine yet! i've been broke. I have an original AP so i'm not in dire straits but i REALLY want the new one for comparison and so i can put the original in a safe place. The PGS demo sounds great! Geez....thinking about putting it on my credit card right now......

[kelvinator60]

Watched the demo. I mean it sounds fine but for $50 more you can pick up a DM2 on ebay all day long. Nothing here to make me dump the DM2 and the Retro Sonic. BUT it is nice to see another decent inexpensive analog delay on the market!

[SG-GUY 92']

Just got mine this afternoon, It sounds amazing!!! I can only hear that weird ghost note thing on the longest setting with the feedback turned up at least two thirds of the way, so I am really happy with it.

Edit: I hear the clock noise at the longer settings on the pedal, but where I have the delay time set, its not noticeable at all. Regardless of some of the noise, the tone and slap-back sound of this delay is amazing!!

[theHumbucker]

Just got mine. Very smooth, simple, and warm.

http://gallery.me.com/adamkingmusic/100262/AP-20MK2/web.jpg?ver=12665602120001

[spitshineguitars]

Just got mine this afternoon, It sounds amazing!!! I can only hear that weird ghost note thing on the longest setting with the feedback turned up at least two thirds of the way, so I am really happy with it.

Edit: I hear the clock noise at the longer settings on the pedal, but where I have the delay time set, its not noticeable at all. Regardless of some of the noise, the tone and slap-back sound of this delay is amazing!!

Glad to hear you like it. Don't sweat the clock noise. On my original, I get clock noise about 1 o'clock on the dial. Doesn't really bother me as I only use it for slap.

[joesef]

Can anybody compare the Aqua Puss MkII to a Wampler Analog Echo?

I use my delay mainly to add a little to my lead tone. After trying several delay pedals, the Wampler has done it for me. However, I have always wanted to try an AP.

I'd also like to know if anyone has both and how they compare?

thanks

[SG-GUY 92']

Glad to hear you like it. Don't sweat the clock noise. On my original, I get clock noise about 1 o'clock on the dial. Doesn't really bother me as I only use it for slap.

Yeah, I set the delay time at about 11:30 and the clock noise isnt there. I'm also glad to hear that the clock noise is not only on the MkII.

[cacibi]

Mine just arrived and I love it. There's a low-fi quality to the repeats that I really like. In my experience - having a really low-fi repeat allows you to increase the blend without the delay getting in the way of the original signal. This one's definitely a keeper for me. It seems very easy to dial in a range of useable sounds. And it does the short slap better than just about any of my other delays.

[macmax77]

just got one, will be playing it later today and then i will not report back, just to tease you all.

[macmax77]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b294/macmax77/Picture1-26.jpg


Here you can see 3 delay pedals, i prefer the two on the bottom
There is s very small ringing sound that comes out of the Aquapuss that you won't notice in a band context, but alone you will. It also has a small drop in volume.
Great little pedal for ambience, then again for that, i prefer the DMM

So i was not going to comment to drive you all crazy, but i guess this post will drive you all crazier, so i am kinda loving bothering you all... :D
Have a nice day.

[lukeII]

Anyone actually done a side by side comparison of the MKII puss with the original of the species i.e., the AP.

[steven d]

Anyone actually done a side by side comparison of the MKII puss with the original of the species i.e., the AP.
I have compaired the original with the reissue and i can honestly say the reissue is very close, to me there is nothing better for short delays then the original Aqua Puss. The reissue makes my strat sound a little duller when engaged, the original does not. For $150.00 you can play it out live with no worrys and be very close in tone to the original.....
http://i987.photobucket.com/albums/ae354/moahdeeb/aquapussreissue001.jpg?t=1266608591

[lukeII]

Thanks for the info. From what you wrote it seems that the sound difference doesn't seem to be that dramatic to justify a 700 dollar premium for the original Puss if you are just after Aquapuss tones. The original may be slightly better but also has the collectible value.

[tjmicsak]

I got that too. There is "something" in the interaction of the voicing on the repeats and the clean signal that is more than the sum of the two seperate. I thnk that is the "magic" I hear. Some how they compliment each other addng a very realistic delay tone that is perfectly in between to bright and sterile dgital and too dark and muffled analog, especially and mostly in that slap-back rock-a-billy range, likened to a vintage delay that has been already recorded on an old recording. A very realistic yet vintage sounding sound stage effect. It comps "that" effect better than anything I have ever tried or heard.

[JimmyR]

I dunno - Got mine today and it just sounds like a good analog delay. Nothing terribly magical about mine at least. I like it. It has a more natural and full sound than the CC but doesn't sound as deluxe and beautiful as my Maxon AD999. Which is fair enough because it's half the price.

I also have a Wampler "analog" delay and of course the Aqua Puss sounds a lot more analog. The Wampler sounds like most other delays based on the PT2399 or whatever it's called. The Wampler isn't quite as warm as the DBD but not too far off. To be honest I actually prefer my old BYOC delay over the Wampler and quite possibly the Aqua Puss.

There IS a weird ringing noise with the AP but it's not enough to really annoy me. And there IS something about it I like. For the best, most beautiful analog delay nothing has yet beaten the AD999 for me. It's clear, quiet but warm and fits what I do. The AP is a throwback to how analog delays used to sound like before the AD999. I think I'll hang onto it for a while and keep experimenting with it. It's a lot of fun.

[Unadan]

For the best, most beautiful analog delay nothing has yet beaten the AD999 for me. It's clear, quiet but warm and fits what I do.

Have you ever tried a two chip AD900? That one is the best maxon delay I've ever played.

[tjmicsak]

Anyone actually done a side by side comparison of the MKII puss with the original of the species i.e., the AP.

I would if I had an original. However, I do have a meory lane V1, carbon copy, AD80, H2O, Faux Tape Echo, and even a First Act delay.

The delay that is almost identicle to the APMKII is............




































The Memory Lane V1.
Almost identicle.
If you don't believe me then compare them yourself and see.

:munch

[aman74]

Have you ever tried a two chip AD900? That one is the best maxon delay I've ever played.

Wish I never sold mine :(

[JimmyR]

Yes I have tried a Maxon AD900. Great pedal! It's been a while but from memory it sounded a little darker than the 999. I actually prefer the 999 and also like that it runs off 9V. But I can see why some folks love the 900. I also has an Ibanez AD99 in the big folded metal black box. It sounded wonderful but was a noisy as hell.

Today as I was experimenting with the new Aqua Puss I noticed that it doesn't like hotter inputs. Playing a Tele through a BB or a Shredder in front (both set to "just breaking up", not very dirty) it was ok with pedals set to unity but as soon as I raised the levels at all it sounded rather nasty. Unfortunately I find that most dirt pedals sound best when just above unity...

Swapped the AP for my trusty BYOC (home-made) dual delay and the problem went away. The BYOC seems to handle the hotter signals with no issues at all, and I think I do prefer the tone overall. The BYOC delays are just fantastic. Incredible value.

[DOMINIC]

Have a MN3005 AD900 and love it. Is it worth it to buy an AP?

[nixpix]

Today as I was experimenting with the new Aqua Puss I noticed that it doesn't like hotter inputs. Playing a Tele through a BB or a Shredder in front (both set to "just breaking up", not very dirty) it was ok with pedals set to unity but as soon as I raised the levels at all it sounded rather nasty. Unfortunately I find that most dirt pedals sound best when just above unity...

Swapped the AP for my trusty BYOC (home-made) dual delay and the problem went away. The BYOC seems to handle the hotter signals with no issues at all, and I think I do prefer the tone overall. The BYOC delays are just fantastic. Incredible value.

Thanks for bringing this up. I guess this may be why the AP instruction manual says to put the AP before distortion pedals. Haven't tried it that way yet.

[Unadan]

I finally played the new AP today and was impressed. Sounded very lush and organic (yeah I know those words are overused but in this case they are appropriate). I was really trying to detect any weirdness at the longer delay settings but could not detect anything but the natural buzz of the amp coming through. I couldn't here any high pitched noise at the longer settings. Seemed pretty cool. If I didn't already have an AD-900 I'd probably go for it!

[Mac-P]

Today as I was experimenting with the new Aqua Puss I noticed that it doesn't like hotter inputs. Playing a Tele through a BB or a Shredder in front (both set to "just breaking up", not very dirty) it was ok with pedals set to unity but as soon as I raised the levels at all it sounded rather nasty.

Thanks for bringing this up. I guess this may be why the AP instruction manual says to put the AP before distortion pedals.


Does it really say that in the instructions? Considering 90% of players use echo after gain that is bizarre... :messedup

[lukeII]

Here is a demo from Tonefactor that is more to my liking as to the applications of this pedal.

WHZgNilpubc

[JRC4558Dude]

Here is a demo from Tonefactor that is more to my liking as to the applications of this pedal.

WHZgNilpubc


That's a nice demo. Sounds quite good to me.

[trainwrecker]

Got one, tried it for 20 minutes, packed it up and sent it back. Dunno just didn't get it with this one.

[orogeny]

Here is a demo from Tonefactor that is more to my liking as to the applications of this pedal.

WHZgNilpubc
THAT is what short delay is all about. . . which is why i have a setting just like that on my dd20.

hey luke - remind me what we did that gets me honorable mention on your transactions list!!! it's pretty bad when I can't keep track of that stuff, eh? . . . or maybe you just moved to india? i feel like i should remember doing business to or from india, no?

[waters]

Does it really say that in the instructions? Considering 90% of players use echo after gain that is bizarre... :messedup
I use my amp for overdrive at times so a delay pedal out in front would seem to be the same idea as having it before an OD pedal. Oh, and yes the manual does say that but generally I would agree with the delay at the end of the chain.

[lukeII]

hey luke - remind me what we did that gets me honorable mention on your transactions list!!! it's pretty bad when I can't keep track of that stuff, eh? . . . or maybe you just moved to india? i feel like i should remember doing business to or from india, no?

You sold me one of the old Analogman delays. I was in France back then.

[lukeII]

Got one, tried it for 20 minutes, packed it up and sent it back. Dunno just didn't get it with this one.

Wow thats pretty fast to be able to decide about a pedal

[orogeny]

You sold me one of the old Analogman delays. I was in France back then.
i remember that!!!!!!!!!!!! 600ms version. . . . . !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
truthfully, i'd probably pick THAT one over the aqua puss. . .
great pedal. . . . .

[Brianshreds]

Sounds to me like trainwrecker didn't know what he was buying. For a simple "no frills" effect there seems to be a lot of debate. First thing most should do is get out of their bedrooms with their boutique amps and play with a band or record. Sure fire ways to decide wether it works for you or not. Second one should have an idea of what effect they're buying and why. Not sure from online demos, try one out first.... comparing this to half the delays mentioned is like comparing a smartcar to a caddy.

[trainwrecker]

Sounds to me like trainwrecker didn't know what he was buying. For a simple "no frills" effect there seems to be a lot of debate. First thing most should do is get out of their bedrooms with their boutique amps and play with a band or record. Sure fire ways to decide wether it works for you or not. Second one should have an idea of what effect they're buying and why. Not sure from online demos, try one out first.... comparing this to half the delays mentioned is like comparing a smartcar to a caddy.

Actually I did. Just wasn't for me. I imagine a lot of people will like it though.

Been gigging for 15 years, recorded a CD, etc.

[Papito]

Got mine today, love it. it's a one trick pony, but boy what a pony!
took a pic of the inside, Enjoy all you transistors and chips geeks out there:
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7391/p2230300.jpg

[Brianshreds]

Wasn't attacking you trainwrecker just sayin. People expect it to be the holy grail of all that is guitar. When in fact in quite a weak pedal in todays market and all together ( anything past noon distorts its analog!), albeit it is great at slapback and ambient style playing to a point. I've owned 2 originals and just got my reissue, pretty darn close I'd say 95% of what made in the originals sound good is there. I imagine a lot of people will buy it because of hype and the fact that it looks like a device that wouldn't be out of place in a tim burton movie. I believe if you are playing rock and have this and a digital delay or carbon copy you're poised for a good time. I play dub reggae, and rock, carbon copy is cool but listen to the aqua puss on short delay, its bright and clear and the oscillation is sweet too.

.Actually I did. Just wasn't for me. I imagine a lot of people will like it though.

Been gigging for 15 years, recorded a CD, etc.

[Unadan]

I've played the RI AP and the repeats do not distort when setting the delay time past noon.

[Brianshreds]

The trails do I just had band practice, having the feedback and delay each past noon conjured up distorted clock noise. Not that it matters to me my band is a wall of sound hardly noticable to anyone.

[theanalogdream]

It's an analog delay...what about Boss Dm-2's? You could get 5 of them and they'd all sound a bit different. I can't imagine how this would be any different, some distorting, others not. You know?

[Brianshreds]

I'd say the boss dm2 is darker and smoother sounding. Whatever makes the AP bright also makes it noisy. All in all I'm happy with it, now let's see how long it holds up.

[Brianshreds]

I noticed the bbd's are in sockets....hmmmmm, think you can mn3005 this thing?

[spitshineguitars]

I noticed the bbd's are in sockets....hmmmmm, think you can mn3005 this thing?


i think analog mike mentioned something about that being a big no no. something about maybe frying the chip?

[throbert]

I got my AP RI today to replace an original AP-1 that was destroyed in an accident back in December and I like it! It is a bit different from the earlier AP version I had but I think Jeorge got it right. In particular, at it's price point, it's very nice and although there are many more choices now than back in the 90's when they were first issued, this pedal is more than adequate for my needs. A lot of players were demanding a reissue and Jeorge listened and came through in a good way and I think it's very cool. THANKS, JEORGE!

[Unadan]

Got mine today, love it. it's a one trick pony, but boy what a pony!
took a pic of the inside, Enjoy all you transistors and chips geeks out there:
http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7391/p2230300.jpg

Is there just the single 3205 BBD?

BTW I just ordered one. $134.99 new was just too tempting to pass up.

[traviswalk]

Got one of the new Aqua Puss' today and must say that after one night of goofing around with it I'm pretty happy, especially for the price point. Leaves the Carbon Copy in the dust IMHO. Shot a few vids quick this evening with the AP in the loop of my Carol-Ann, worked very well and was whisper quiet (outside of the Tele buzz).

Top one is just the AP on the clean channel and no Mad Professor, second one doesn't change the AP but puts the SHOD in front of the amp.

UH5nLou0NWY

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[Hugo Da Rosa]

Got mine today. Played with it and compared it to my Carbon Copy for about 45 minutes just now.

It's a cool pedal. I like nice warmth I immediately get as soon as I turn it on. Some people mentioned that their tone gets duller as the pedal engages...can't say I experienced that. My tone doesn't change as it runs through the AP and I'm not using any loopers.

While it's a good sounding pedal in itself, I honestly cannot hear an audible difference between the Carbon Copy and Aqua Puss when the delays are matched. The fully CCW delay setting on the AP is the same as the Carbon Copy's delay time set at about 10-11 oclock. With that said, I had no idea how short the delay time of the AP really was.... this is pretty short. Beyond that, I tweaked the delay times and mix levels on both pedals and honestly, they sound about the same. The repeats on the CC might be just a SLIGHT bit darker, but not audible enough when played in a band setting. In addition, as you increase the delay time on the AP, it doesn't get significantly brighter. In fact, I don't really hear it getting much brighter at all, whereas the CC gets noticeably brighter.

All in all, I would have to say that if you are looking for a more flexible "analog" style delay, the Carbon Copy is a better choice - at least within the same manufacturer. If you want a cool collector's item, the AP is that (and has a really unique and solid switch if I might add). Even though the AP hardly differs from my CC, I think I'll keep it to have two different delay settings without having to kneel over and turn some knobs. But for the most part, there is far more delay time on the CC and in my experience, far my flexibility.

If you are in that boat of skeptics that don't want to invest in the Carbon Copy after hearing all the horror stories over the internet (mind you not necessarily any reliable sources), then I'd suggest giving Dunlop a call and they may change your mind. My CC died a while ago and I posted a thread about how I got it repaired directly from Dunlop. The pedal died within 3 months of use. It has been almost a year since I've gotten my replaced CC and have yet to come across any problems.

[Unadan]

I've had the Carbon Copy for over a year and mine is rock solid with zero problems. I'd definitely buy another if I needed to.

[benschmidt]

I'm noticing a slight loss in tone when the pedal is engaged. Anyone else getting this?

[Neptune1]

there is a slight drop in tone and volume when you engage but you have to listen pretty hard because I didn't notice it at first. I have also noticed that mine sounds better with lower output pickups. Doesn't seem to have much headroom which might explain the oddity in the manual about running the AP in front of any distortion unit. BUT I have to say it does some things VERY well and has many sweet spots. I have contacted Dunlop to see what they suggest about the clock noise.

[drbob1]

I've owned an original now for 10 years and have done many, many shootouts with it and other delay pedals. I just tried one out for a while at a quiet GC. I compared it to the CC and the Echoboy.

The AP RI has the original 300 ms, which seems shortish compared to the newer delays, it does self-oscillate, and the controls seem intuitive and work well. Unfortunately, if you set it to nearly infinite repeats you'll hear the major differences between this, the original and the CC. The RI emphasizes the attack of the note, as the delays repeat they gradually lose the majority of the tone and come to be basically a click of attack. The delays gradually become brighter. If you turn off the delay with it just repeating and the volume staying steady, then turn it on a little later you'll find a harsh scream in a square wave. It's kind of cool I guess. The CC has delays that remain slightly dark with a good balance between attack and note. Over time the delay loses volume, then gradually gains it again. The Echoboy is somewhere in between, a little less harsh than the AP, a little less smooth than the CC. Of the 3 I far prefer the CC, but given the choice the original AP with it's warmth and great balance between attack and note, I'll still take that as my first choice (with the DBD coming a close second). Sorry, NO real similarity between the two versions of the AP, guess I'll be keeping mine.