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NoahL
03-05-2010, 10:01 AM
I think so. Getting some push-back from some buddies, though.

phil esposito
03-05-2010, 10:03 AM
I love this album. I've actually burned out 3 copies.

jimfog
03-05-2010, 10:03 AM
Agree

A-Bone
03-05-2010, 10:05 AM
I agree, as well. It is just a great album period, and the guitar playing is the icing on the cake.

Derwood
03-05-2010, 10:10 AM
YES!!!

atquinn
03-05-2010, 10:12 AM
Yes. It is awesome on all possible levels, songwriting, singing and playing. I wish I could play like those guys.
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Austin

cmatthes
03-05-2010, 10:20 AM
That one has been in my top 10 list since the day I got it, which was within a week of its release. I saw M.S. and the band on Letterman one night, and was hooked.

Matthew Sweet has a TON of great material (and honestly, a few sinkers here and there), but that one holds up over time.

Great stuff.

Southern ILL
03-05-2010, 10:21 AM
Yep.....one of my favorites.

A-Bone
03-05-2010, 10:23 AM
Robert Quine and Richard Lloyd made for a very fierce combination.

I'm especially sorry that Quine didn't stick around longer.

guitardad
03-05-2010, 10:23 AM
Completely agree! Love that album.

snarkle
03-05-2010, 10:47 AM
Robert Quine and Richard Lloyd made for a very fierce combination.

I'm especially sorry that Quine didn't stick around longer.

+1

Two of my favourites...for rock, anyway.

tonydetiger
03-05-2010, 10:54 AM
Great album, though I have to say that 100% Fun is my personal Fave.

Paul Conway
03-05-2010, 10:57 AM
Yup, love it. Have loved it for a long time. My favorite of the three he did with Lloyd.

Jon Silberman
03-05-2010, 10:59 AM
I've dug it for a very long time!

tele_phil
03-05-2010, 11:00 AM
Great album to listen to and some fun music to play! Some seriously great tone on most of those songs.

recto-robbie
03-05-2010, 11:04 AM
One of the greatest guitar albums ever, NO. But it is a great guitar album for sure.
Been listening to that album for years.

NoahL
03-05-2010, 11:08 AM
these buddies of mine keep saying it's just a pop album, "Girlfriend." but it's so much more. you bet, he's steeped in pop, and the melodies and harmonies are poppy. but at every level he takes it so far beyond pop -- even as he's honoring pop traditions. and the guitars, in so many different styles but especially in raw rock power and skill -- prove it's not just a "pop" album.

AL30
03-05-2010, 11:14 AM
Great stuff. Always. That guy is a wizard in the studio. Everything sounds wonderful - guitars, drums, harmonies...

The Richard Lloyd stuff was great.

AL

Bobby D
03-05-2010, 11:22 AM
yes!


and live he used Ivan Julian....and even tho this is HERESY.....i like Ivan's playing better than the albums :banana

atquinn
03-05-2010, 11:43 AM
Great album, though I have to say that 100% Fun is my personal Fave.

If I'm being objective, 100% is a better album, but it wasn't as shocking as Girlfriend because by then, Sweet was a known quantity. I actually listen to In Reverse most of his older albums nowadays (the 2/3 of the songs I love, not the 1/3 I can't stand :D).

-Austin

atquinn
03-05-2010, 11:44 AM
yes!


and live he used Ivan Julian....and even tho this is HERESY.....i like Ivan's playing better than the albums :banana

I saw Sweet live when he was touring for 100% fun. I thought the guitarwork was adequate, but I was stunned by how good Sweet's voice was. I didn't expect it to be as strong as it was based on the albums.
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Austin

MBreinin
03-05-2010, 11:47 AM
Love the version of Cortez the Killer they did.

Whiskeyrebel
03-05-2010, 12:41 PM
Yes. It is awesome on all possible levels, songwriting, singing and playing. I wish I could play like those guys.
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Austin
Wouldn't it be 'like that guy'? I thought it was along the lines of Rundgren's Something/Anything, where apart from drums Matthew played all instruments on overdubs.

blood5150
03-05-2010, 02:04 PM
Also from that era..... Urge Overkill's album "saturation" had some great rock guitar tones and great songwriting.

Jahn
03-05-2010, 02:09 PM
My personal geekout:

The video "Girlfriend" by Matthew Sweet uses anime footage from the movie (http://stason.org/TULARC/art/anime-faq/16-Matthew-Sweet-S-Girlfriend-Video-And-Space-Adventurer-C.html#) SPACE ADVENTURER COBRA, based on the comic of the same name by Buichi Terasawa.

Bobby D
03-05-2010, 02:14 PM
I saw Sweet live when he was touring for 100% fun. I thought the guitarwork was adequate, but I was stunned by how good Sweet's voice was. I didn't expect it to be as strong as it was based on the albums.
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Austin


i was there for that tour :banana

helped promote that record for Zoo.

Ivan Julian blew me away....i really loved his style.

Tonefish
03-05-2010, 02:16 PM
I like it, but hedge a little on "one of the greatest" ... I guess it depends on how many can credibly fit into that category.

tonydetiger
03-05-2010, 02:44 PM
Also from that era..... Urge Overkill's album "saturation" had some great rock guitar tones and great songwriting.

That has to be one of my top 5 albums ever. Sister Havana is a classic.

atquinn
03-05-2010, 02:45 PM
Wouldn't it be 'like that guy'? I thought it was along the lines of Rundgren's Something/Anything, where apart from drums Matthew played all instruments on overdubs.

"Those guys" was referring to the 2 soloist guitars, Lloyd and Quine. Sweet only played the solo on "Your Sweet Voice" if memory serves.

-Austin

OM Flyer
03-05-2010, 02:47 PM
Tell your buds they're dead wrong. Great album, not a clunker in the bunch.

Zelja
03-05-2010, 04:25 PM
Really dig the album & "I've been Waiting" is one of my favourite jangle pop tracks of all time - just perfect.

I really like the Urge Overkill album a few others have mentioned but something of a more similar ilk (for me) from the same time are a couple of Lemonheads albums - "Shame About Ray" & "Come On Feel".

Mike Duncan
03-05-2010, 04:33 PM
Yes.


Been in constant rotation since 1992 on my various players through the years.

swla
03-05-2010, 06:30 PM
Four words:
Robert Quine
Richard Lloyd

There ain't nothing more that needs to be said

kenneth
03-05-2010, 07:39 PM
I'm a big Matthew Sweet fan, and really am still blown away by Girlfriend and many of his other albums, as well as Matthew songwriting and vocals. Really a complete package.

If you like Girlfriend, you may like his relatively new CD Sunshine Lies. After doing a bunch of vocal harmonies with The Thorns, there are a lot of complete rockers on Sunshine Lies.

dankayaker
03-05-2010, 07:41 PM
One of my favorites . . along with Damien Rice "O".

tim gueguen
03-05-2010, 07:44 PM
My personal geekout:

The video "Girlfriend" by Matthew Sweet uses anime footage from the movie (http://stason.org/TULARC/art/anime-faq/16-Matthew-Sweet-S-Girlfriend-Video-And-Space-Adventurer-C.html#) SPACE ADVENTURER COBRA, based on the comic of the same name by Buichi Terasawa.

Funny thing is when I actually saw the anime I was let down. It looks cooler in the vid than watching it turned out to be.

jimbach
03-05-2010, 07:56 PM
Four words:
Robert Quine
Richard Lloyd

There ain't nothing more that needs to be said
100% agreement.

MBT74
03-05-2010, 08:28 PM
That has to be one of my top 5 albums ever. Sister Havana is a classic.

Saturation is great for rock, but I honestly enjoy Exit The Dragon more. I think the songwriting is better. Having said that, they're both great albums.

As for Girlfriend, it's a fantastic album with great guitar work but I'm not sure it's "one of the greatest guitar albums ever".

dmb70
03-05-2010, 08:30 PM
One of the greatest guitar albums ever, NO. But it is a great guitar album for sure.
Been listening to that album for years.

I'd have to agree there, but it is a great album.

Powerpopfan
03-05-2010, 08:43 PM
I think so. Getting some push-back from some buddies, though.

Solid all the way through. Big fave here.

The Golden Boy
03-05-2010, 08:45 PM
I love the album.

Don't dig the guitaring too much though.

9-Pin
03-05-2010, 11:13 PM
I really like that album. One of the ones I was listening to a lot when I was learning guitar.

I'm going to have to give it a good listen again. It's been a little while.

Defendant
03-05-2010, 11:59 PM
Great record. Still listen to it a lot. Love the dry, wirey guitars and the songwriting.

SnidelyWhiplash
03-06-2010, 08:09 AM
Fantastic songs & playing.

Bazaboy33
03-06-2010, 10:21 AM
Classic Matthew Sweet. The 2 disc reissue is great!!! The steel is what it's all about though...love the normal guitars, but the steel...damn.

lanny
03-06-2010, 08:28 PM
Four words:
Robert Quine
Richard Lloyd

There ain't nothing more that needs to be said

Agreed!!!

bab
03-10-2010, 12:30 PM
It still gets the family harmonizing on long car trips.

sleshnyc
03-10-2010, 12:32 PM
+1

Two of my favourites...for rock, anyway.

I worked at Sam Ash guitars in NYC back in the late 80s early 90s and Robert Quine used to come in all the time and we'd talk for hours. Just an absolutely great guy with zero ego.

furry
03-10-2010, 12:42 PM
funny, I used to run into Fred Maher and Lloyd Cole from time to time back in NYC, and I ran into Lloyd a few months back in New England... in any case, I love that record...with one caveat. I never really bonded with Richard Lloyd's frenetic guitar style. For some reason, I can dig it when Neil Young does that sort of thing, but otherwise I find it, well, grating...

NoahL
03-10-2010, 12:46 PM
I don't know which guy did which solos on which songs. Has anyone seen a breakdown? I suppose a real fan would know just from styles and tones...

rogwerks
03-10-2010, 01:36 PM
sooo many guitar tones, such melodies, soo "pop", without being pop...

matthew sweet indeed!!!

guitardom
03-10-2010, 10:33 PM
One of my all time favorite albums. Check the liner notes on the CD for a breakdown of who played what. Quine playing on the song Girlfriend is to me as good as rock and roll guitar gets. Lloyd kicks ass on Divine Intervention. I don't think Lloyd and Quine ever really played on anything at the same time.

rwijaya
03-11-2010, 12:24 AM
wow, can't believe i never heard matthew sweet. thanks for the heads up! Downloading on itunes now.

p.j.
03-11-2010, 03:27 AM
I think so. Getting some push-back from some buddies, though.

For awesome Quine playing check out Richard Hell's Destiny Street.

PJ

dirtyguitar
05-05-2010, 01:28 PM
Glad I found this thread.

Help me out! We're working up the title cut to Girlfriend and I'm not getting a solo tone I dig for it.

I play a PRS into a Trem Cat. When I dime it,.. I get the solo tone in spades. But I need to add a pedal that delivers that sustain/saturation while leaving the amp at bar room volume.


Any experience?

Thanks!

guitardom
05-05-2010, 02:26 PM
I've gotten it with my Prescription Electronics Yardbox. Which Quine had recommended on his Web site before he passed.

gvonpaul
05-05-2010, 02:33 PM
I've always loved Matthew Sweet, and raged that he never got the recognition he deserved. So after reading this thread I wasted most of my afternoon on youtube listening to a lot of his stuff. I found an interesting series of duets with John Hiatt that rocked!
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dorfmeister
05-05-2010, 03:19 PM
Quine speaking about his rig on "Girlfriend".

"But on that album all I used was a Strat, a SansAmp, and various Fender amps."

http://www.robertquine.com/ask.html

Pretty spartan!

So why do I have so many pedals?!?

Jahn
05-05-2010, 03:21 PM
and why dont i have a sansamp?

GM1
08-02-2010, 02:35 PM
Just listened to this album again over the weekend and it really is a spectacular peice of work. To me the vocals are the pop aspect of the recording while the guitar playing is just raw. The combination really makes for far more than a routine pop album, by a long shot.

What's interesting, from what I have read the guitar gear used by both LLoyd and Quine was pretty straight forward, nothing exotic. ( Marshall, Vox AC30 and Sansamp?) The recording and mixing of the right and left channels really brings out the individual characteristics of each player and his tones. Very live sounding which I think is part of the raw appeal in contrast to the somewhat overprocessed vocal and backing vocal tracks.


It may not rate as one of the greatest guitar albums in terms of groundbreaking, but it certainly holds its place as an exceptionally well crafted guitar album.