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rhythmrocker
03-16-2010, 01:20 AM
Past threads have talked about the 15” speaker, citing the following (more often than any other) as the “best” for guitar for different types of amps:

Altec 418B (100 watts)
Eminence Big Ben (225 watts)
Eminence Legend 151 (150 watts)
EVM-15L (200/400 watts)
EV-SRO 15” (75 watts)
JBL D130F (25 watts)
Jensen P15N (older ones, 30 watts; new versions, 50 watts)
Jensen P15Q (20 watts +)
Weber 15" Blue Dog Ceramic (50 watt)
Weber 15” Neomag (75 watts)
Weber 15A150-0 (30 or 50 watt, replaces Chicago Jensen P15N)
Weber California 15 (80 watts; replaces JBL D130)
Weber Michigan (100 watts; ceramic has EVM vibe; also in Alnico)
New! WGS 15” Guitar Speaker (http://warehousespeakers.com/proddetail.php?prod=AV_G15C&PHPSESSID=a2407d176f68d0e11e3d74d69279078b) Anyone try this yet?

Smooth cones are more “raw”; ribbed cones are cleaner than smooth cones and get “brighter” at higher volumes.

Any new contenders or updates? Which speaker do you use for what tube configuration (e.g. EL34, EL84, 6V6, 6L6, etc.)

Timbre Wolf
03-16-2010, 06:48 AM
Okay, I'll start...

I'm running a '50s Sittard EL34 and '40s Ken-Rad 6L6G in my parallel single-ended Victoria Regal II, which first came to me with the Weber-made Regal AlNiCo 15" (like 15A150). It was too fat and "warm" for my taste, so I went with a Weber NeoMag, which continued to be a bit too warm (but with tighter lows).

At Mark Baier's suggestion, I tried Eminence's Legend 151 and I'm done searching. I've got crisper high end, better articulation, tight lows, and still a natural feel.

Not a new 15" story, but a 15" story nonetheless.

- Thom

chervokas
03-16-2010, 07:02 AM
Yeah, still not many guitar-voice 15s in production, in fact many of those that you list are no longer in production, like the EVM-15L, JBL D130F, etc. I too am rocking an Emi legend in a 1X15 partially open backed cab with a '66 BF Bandmaster and, although I'd grab an EVM-15L for big clean tone if I could find one at cheap price--I'm very happy with the Emi which is a rocker for sure.

alberob
03-16-2010, 07:17 AM
Weber makes some great 15" speakers and they will recone any of the classic 15" out there and bring the dead back to life.:hiP

mad dog
03-16-2010, 07:25 AM
The old Jensen C15N is definitely worth a try. I have the one (reconed with smooth cone) that came stock in my Victoria 35115. A beautiful, spare sounding vintage tone. The Legend 151 sounds good to me in part because it reminds me of this C15N. I ended up going with another choice in that amp, but the old Jensens are definitely sweet.
MD

Mikeroesoft
03-16-2010, 07:46 AM
FUnny this should come up now. I was searching for a thread like this one a couple of months ago. I have a 1963 non-reverb Pro that I picked up off a TGP member last fall. The amp came with the original CTS 15" and I didnt want to risk blowing it. I went with a Emi Legend 151 after reading a Tone Quest article, and I couldn't be more pleased with the speaker. I was skeptical based on the low price, and thought it would be cheaply made. But its sounds incredible and now I dont have to risk blowing the CTS!! $99 + tax Cdn and made in USA too.

ReginaldBisquet
03-16-2010, 09:03 AM
Jensen Neo 15s are quite good. I had one in a Delta Blues and would have kept it had the amp tech not bent the speaker frame.

Peavey's Blue Marvel 15" speaker gets some praise too... although I found it to be a bit too dark for my taste.

Photos of the two speakers are here:
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showpost.php?p=6277783&postcount=19

riffmeister
03-16-2010, 09:17 AM
I am a 15" loud speaker noob. I have a Legend 151 in my new VVT Lindy Fralin amp. I have no point of comparison, but it sure does sound good!!

RR: Another one for your list........Eminence also makes a "Commonwealth" which has a huge magnet which presumably means it is JBL-inspired.

Travst
03-16-2010, 09:35 AM
I run an old Wilder 15" under my vintage Peavy Musician head just for the sake of nostalgia. The Wilder was my graduation present in 1976. It's big and clear, but can be too bright. The Peavey has an EQ section that lets me create some warmth. It's not a rig that I use a lot, but it's not worth much and has sentimental value.

rhythmrocker
03-16-2010, 09:56 AM
RR: Another one for your list........Eminence also makes a "Commonwealth" which has a huge magnet which presumably means it is JBL-inspired.

Thanks for that - I will "update" the list when there is more of a consensus, perhaps that is what I will add to the title. There are so many speakers out there that have not been tried. For example, no one seems to talk about the Weber 15F125, or the Ceramic Texas 15. It's easy to not try these because you would have to compare them by buying the others too, so folks go with the most popular choices and stop there. Who wants to buy and try ALL the 15's? ALL the 12's? ALL the 10's? All the guitars? You get the point.

Thanks everyone thus far!

Timbre Wolf
03-16-2010, 10:05 AM
Who wants to buy and try ALL the 15's? ALL the 12's? ALL the 10's? All the guitars? You get the point.

Well, I admit that I may want to. But a certain pragmatic financial reality keeps creeping in to my fantasy life. :bonk

- T

Caribou*
03-16-2010, 10:13 AM
I have a Emi Big Ben in a closed-back 1x15 cab and it sounds great. Very strong speaker. Right now it is being used by my band's bass player under his yorkville 200b. Stackola!

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/x96xum/200b013.jpg

Calloway
03-16-2010, 10:58 AM
I've heard a few 15's and continue to stand by the Big Ben. Its thick, mid heavy and just thumps. I would like to hear the Legend and the Commonwealth, but I'm happy with what I have, and just don't have the coin to try anything else.

WesKuhnley
03-16-2010, 11:30 AM
WGS has a new 15" coming out...

es137p
03-16-2010, 09:12 PM
I have a victoria trem de la trem, its came stock with the Eminence 151, which is a great speaker, but extremely efficient (LOUD!!!), my 14 watt amp was too loud with this speaker. So I'm currently using a Weber 15A150, very nice, and quieter than the Emi, but a little fat and warm for this amp.

If the Eminence 151 wasn't so loud, it would be perfect.

BadCat
03-16-2010, 10:09 PM
I have an EV15L and a JBL D130F and both are fantastic speakers.

I didn't care for the Eminence Big Ben, not enough sparkle for me.

pbradt
03-16-2010, 11:00 PM
GO on Ebay and look for a non-reconed JBL D130. Best 15" speaker ever made. If you can't find that, look for an EV SRO-15, almost as good.

packermann
03-17-2010, 06:19 PM
I have an EVM-15L and I think it is a great speaker for guitar. It has nice highs and mids. It is really a full frequency speaker and is surprisingly musical for a guitar amp cab (1 speaker cabinet - these are heavy speakers!). I have a pair of these I took out of some midrange JBL PA enclosures so they are broken in real nice.

Pete

solitaire
03-17-2010, 07:35 PM
The 15" Weber Thames would be an interesting 15" speaker to get to know, not having heard it myself. I know the 12" version well and that broad, smooth British tone is something else - a bit like the result of a tender moment between Celestion and EV.

Darth Tater
03-17-2010, 07:56 PM
The WGS 15" is on their website, it costs the same as a Weber, and quite a bit more than Eminence. Hard to justify that.

rhythmrocker
03-17-2010, 08:30 PM
The WGS 15" is on their website, it costs the same as a Weber, and quite a bit more than Eminence. Hard to justify that.
WGS 15” Guitar Speaker (http://warehousespeakers.com/proddetail.php?prod=AV_G15C&PHPSESSID=a2407d176f68d0e11e3d74d69279078b)

spkrbldr
03-18-2010, 07:50 AM
Hey guys, I know my opinion is kind of biased here, but our new 15" is one of the best sounding guitar speakers I have ever heard. I've been telling people it's like a really big 12". I mean you get the big sound of a 15" but it is very focused and quick,lots of detail without any flub. We have sold a few,both ceramic and alnico, so I've been watching here to see if we get any kind of opinions from the public. FWIW,Kendrick Amps told me an internationally known player is getting an amp from him that is loaded with one.Anyway,hope I didn't break any forum rules by posting this but I'm just so impressed and proud of this speaker that I felt I needed to say something about it! Dean

rhythmrocker
03-18-2010, 08:09 AM
Hey guys, I know my opinion is kind of biased here, but our new 15" is one of the best sounding guitar speakers I have ever heard. I've been telling people it's like a really big 12". I mean you get the big sound of a 15" but it is very focused and quick,lots of detail without any flub. We have sold a few,both ceramic and alnico, so I've been watching here to see if we get any kind of opinions from the public. FWIW,Kendrick Amps told me an internationally known player is getting an amp from him that is loaded with one.Anyway,hope I didn't break any forum rules by posting this but I'm just so impressed and proud of this speaker that I felt I needed to say something about it! Dean

Thanks Dean. SInce the market is so 15" deficient, IMHO your comments are welcome vs. unwelcome. ~rr

Timbre Wolf
03-18-2010, 08:27 AM
I'm just so impressed and proud of this speaker that I felt I needed to say something about it! Dean
Dean - I love your enthusiasm. And your new 15" speaker sounds promising - I always applaud innovation. Hope to be able to experience one of these first-hand.

- Thom

spkrbldr
03-18-2010, 03:03 PM
Thanks guys! We shipped 2 more to new homes today so maybe there will be some posts on them soon. Dean

WesKuhnley
03-18-2010, 03:11 PM
I gotta finish some projects up here, you're making me drool in anticipation for a sweet tweedish amp loaded with a 15" alnico!

Fishtale
03-18-2010, 05:40 PM
It seems that their are enough 15" speakers out there to find one that will work well. But why do the builders other than Jensen not make any of the good ones in 4 ohms. I read tons of posts of guys wanting a 1-15" cab for their Bandmasters, Bandmaster Reverbs and Bassmans that all like to see a 4ohm load. I understand that Weber will make them to order but they take forever. I would love to try the new WGS 15" but it is the same old story they come in 8 & 16ohms.

PeeCee
03-18-2010, 06:58 PM
Rarely do I ever read such an enthusiastic thread on TGP. Everyone seems to love whatever 15" speaker they have.

I'm not a bandwagon kind of guy, but this is one lovefest I can't pass up.

The original P15N is in my 59 tweed Pro. I had been playing my other amps and hadn't spent much time with the Pro, so I decided to sell it last October. I had my auction copy all written up--photos taken and all. Then I decided to plug it in to be sure that it was still working.

I was completely blown away. It was such a good sounding amp. My image of 15s is that they are big beefy sounding speakers, but the P15N has lots of sparkle on the top end--as well as being more solid on the bottom than 12s. It seemed to extend the range of the P12s both on top and on the bottom. I don't know how much of that was due to the speaker and how much due to circuit differences compared to the Deluxes and Tremoluxes I compared it to.

Needless to say. I decided not to sell the Pro.

That's one tweed that doesn't get much hype, but it's one of my favorites.

rhythmrocker
03-18-2010, 07:00 PM
It seems that their are enough 15" speakers out there to find one that will work well. But why do the builders other than Jensen not make any of the good ones in 4 ohms. I read tons of posts of guys wanting a 1-15" cab for their Bandmasters, Bandmaster Reverbs and Bassmans that all like to see a 4ohm load. I understand that Weber will make them to order but they take forever. I would love to try the new WGS 15" but it is the same old story they come in 8 & 16ohms.

There ya go spkrbldr (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/member.php?u=41486) http://img.thegearpage.net/board/images/statusicon/user_offline.gif !! A niche waiting to happen.

spkrbldr
03-19-2010, 07:43 AM
PM sent!

rhythmrocker
03-24-2010, 12:32 PM
bump

dustinhofsess
03-24-2010, 12:49 PM
I vote for the Jensen Neo 15. I tried the Jensen Neo, the Jensen P15N, the Weber Neo 15 , and the Weber Blue Dog in my Oldfield Club Master and the Neo won out by a large margin. I even liked the Jensen Neo better than the original speakers in my 65 vibrolux.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm207/lizarddust/oldfield.jpg

billyguitar
03-24-2010, 03:02 PM
A club here has a Twin Reverb Custom 15 as one of their backline amps. I don't know what speaker they used but it really sounded good.
I have a Weber Blue 15 but didn't use it long enough to break it in. I put an old JBL in the cab and loved it! After that I bought a Brown Sugar that had a Weber Jensen clone in it. I wasn't impressed. I then ordered a Weber Neo Mag and put it in the Brown Sugar. I'm satisfied.

rhythmrocker
04-01-2010, 12:33 AM
bump

kimock
04-01-2010, 03:45 AM
Past threads have talked about the 15” speaker, citing the following (more often than any other) as the “best” for guitar for different types of amps:

Altec 418B (100 watts)
Eminence Big Ben (225 watts)
Eminence Legend 151 (150 watts)
EVM-15L (200/400 watts)
EV-SRO 15” (75 watts)
JBL D130F (25 watts)
Jensen P15N (older ones, 30 watts; new versions, 50 watts)
Jensen P15Q (20 watts +)
Weber 15" Blue Dog Ceramic (50 watt)
Weber 15” Neomag (75 watts)
Weber 15A150-0 (30 or 50 watt, replaces Chicago Jensen P15N)
Weber California 15 (80 watts; replaces JBL D130)
Weber Michigan (100 watts; ceramic has EVM vibe; also in Alnico)
New! WGS 15” Guitar Speaker (http://warehousespeakers.com/proddetail.php?prod=AV_G15C&PHPSESSID=a2407d176f68d0e11e3d74d69279078b) Anyone try this yet?

Smooth cones are more “raw”; ribbed cones are cleaner than smooth cones and get “brighter” at higher volumes.

Any new contenders or updates? Which speaker do you use for what tube configuration (e.g. EL34, EL84, 6V6, 6L6, etc.)

You're not gonna get a consensus on best.
If there was a "best", but there were only a very few of them, you would see a list like the list above.
If there were a "best" and there was a shit-ton of them out there, everybody would know about it, and the list would have just one name on it.

Therefore, there is no best at all, so there is no "name of the best" on the list.

Or . ..

There is a Best, so "the name of the best" is not on the list.

Either way, the result of the consensus omits the name of the best.

Witch Izzit?

I'm not tellin'!!!!

Troy T. Blues
04-01-2010, 06:17 AM
The JBL D130 only 25W? I don't think that's right. Typo?

Darth Tater
04-01-2010, 06:46 AM
The JBL D130 only 25W? I don't think that's right. Typo?

Nope. 25 watts it is. I've actually got two of them in my basement in mint condition, all original. My Dad bought them back in the 60's. I'm afraid to use them!

http://www.classicaudio.ru/images/oldpages/image/jbl_d130.jpg

Darth Tater
04-01-2010, 06:50 AM
It seems that their are enough 15" speakers out there to find one that will work well. But why do the builders other than Jensen not make any of the good ones in 4 ohms.

You can get any Weber speaker (other than the Sigs) in 4 ohm.

It is a shame there are not more 4 ohm speakers out there though. I've been searching for a good 4 ohm 12" to build a Champ cabinet around, without spending a mint. The cheapest new GOOD one I can find is the Eminence Texas Heat 4.

Troy T. Blues
04-01-2010, 07:19 AM
Nope. 25 watts it is. I've actually got two of them in my basement in mint condition, all original. My Dad bought them back in the 60's. I'm afraid to use them!

http://www.classicaudio.ru/images/oldpages/image/jbl_d130.jpg

Thanks! Wow. That is surprising!

saxguy
04-01-2010, 07:35 AM
I just ordered a Weber Blue Dog Ceramic for my Peavey Delta Blues 115. Hope it makes a nice addition and can't wait to hear it with my Rocketfire strat when it arrives in a few months.

Red House
04-01-2010, 08:54 AM
Hey guys, I know my opinion is kind of biased here, but our new 15" is one of the best sounding guitar speakers I have ever heard.

Since I'm new here, can you state which company you represent, and the name of your new 15" speaker?

I'm interested in this thread because I have 3 amps with 15's:
1955 Pro - mint
1960 Pro - beater
1964 Vibroverb - mint

I appreciate your enthusiasm!

Darth Tater
04-01-2010, 09:13 AM
I just ordered a Weber Blue Dog Ceramic for my Peavey Delta Blues 115. Hope it makes a nice addition and can't wait to hear it with my Rocketfire strat when it arrives in a few months.

Dang man, I had a brand new one for for sale in the emporium for like a month at $75. Ended up taking it to Ebay. If you're going for Vox chime for your Delta Blues, the Blue Dog is the way to go. However, I missed the thump, punch, and grit that I lost with the Blue Dog and ended up going back to the stock Eminence.

Darth Tater
04-02-2010, 12:45 PM
Since I'm new here, can you state which company you represent, and the name of your new 15" speaker?

I'm interested in this thread because I have 3 amps with 15's:
1955 Pro - mint
1960 Pro - beater
1964 Vibroverb - mint

I appreciate your enthusiasm!

He's with WGS Speakers
www.warehousespeakers.com

amphog
04-02-2010, 01:03 PM
JBL made the k-130 in a 4 ohm. There is one for sale on ebay, but it is in a solid state Ampeg.

dspellman
04-02-2010, 01:07 PM
Nope. 25 watts it is. I've actually got two of them in my basement in mint condition, all original. My Dad bought them back in the 60's. I'm afraid to use them!

http://www.classicaudio.ru/images/oldpages/image/jbl_d130.jpg

Interesting -- i thought that they were designed for the Dual Showman, and were 75 or 100 watt speakers. The "F" was, supposedly, designated for Fender.

dspellman
04-02-2010, 01:10 PM
I've got a pair of Altec 418-8A's with a mid-hi tweeter in a 48" x 30" x 11" (thereabouts) ported closed back cabinet from about '71. I've got something similar stuffed in four of my A7 cabinets (these are from the late '60's or '70). Probably my all-time favorite 15" speaker for guitar.

hoochiecoochie
04-18-2010, 12:19 PM
Here is some info from Harvery Gerst - the designer of the D130 that I found on the web:

From: Harvey Gerst
Newsgroups: alt.guitar.amps
Subject: Re: How many watts can a JBL D-130 safely handle?
Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 01:41:09 -0700
>
> It's amazing about the variation in answers you'll get. Watts of what
> kind? RMS at 30 hertz? White noise? The question has almost no
> meaning without stating some parameters.
>
> If you look at the original spec sheet for the speakers in that series
> you'll see that the D-130 is rated at 25 watts. Since this appears on
> the rear of the pamphlet that gives dimensions for recommended B/R
> enclosures, one should assume that it is 25 watts when mounted in the
> proper cabnet.
>
> You should find that about 20 to 30 watts into one of these in a
> proper sized enclsure will drive you out of the room. If you put it
> in an undersized and over damped box like a Benson then the speaker
> will take more power, but it will need it to get the volume.
>
> The D-130 was/is an effeceint speaker. It doesn't need a lot of input
> to get a lot out.

On the other hand, I saw a lot of D130's come through with fried voice
coils that were running off a 12 Watt Williamson amp during the 50's and
60's. Integrated music from HiFi systems caused one kind of problem -
using the D130 as a musical instrument speaker created other problems.

That's why I suggested the D130F (which was a redesigned D130), made
expressly for musical instrument amps, as were the D110F (a totally new
design), the D120F (a redesign of the D131), and the D140F (a new design
using existing parts).

Power specifications for the F series were nominally 35 to about 60
Watts. How did I arrive at these figures? Pretty simple, I played guitar
and bass through them and kept increasing the power till they blew. Then
I downrated them from the power that fried them. Pretty hi-tech, huh? It
seemed to work pretty well (of course we didn't have synth players back
then).

The major amp manufacturers back then were Fender, Sunn, Kustom, and
Ampeg. Rickenbacher and Mosrite also bought some, but nowhere near the
volume of the other amp makers. All had JBL speaker options.

And yes, the "F" stood for Fender, since they were the largest single
buyer, and also distributed the F series to music stores. They had no
part in the design or the idea for the new series, I am solely to blame
for that.

let me take you back to the late 50s, early 60s. JBL was a small
company with their main offices above a candy store, and the manufacturing
scattered in a number of buildings up and down the street, near Glendale, on
Fletcher Drive.

They made the following speakers;
the D130 a full range 15",
the D131 a full range 12",
the 130A a 15" woofer,
the 130B (same as the 130A, but 16 ohms),
and the 150 - a 15" woofer with a heavier cone.

The D stood for a metal dome and the A and B were for woofers of different
impedances. I don't remember if we made a 131A. We also made a D123 (full range
pancake 12" speaker) and the D208 and D216 (both 8" speakers but with 8 and 16
ohm voice coils).

Fender was buying D130s for use in their Dual Showman systems, but they were
experiencing problems in surrounds drying out from outdoor use, and burnouts
>from improper mounting techniques. I wrote a memo to the president of JBL,
outlining a plan to let me design a series of speakers made specifically for
musical use and he agreed. My plan called for modifications to the D130 and
D131, plus an all new bass 15" speaker, and a new 10" speaker.

Since Fender was our largest purchaser, I did not want the headache of trying to
re-introduce a whole new series so I kept the D130 name for the 15" and simply
added an F (yes, the "F" is for Fender - don't know why to this day I did that,
but I did). Since I was making up new model numbers, I decided where possible to
keep it simple, so the 12" (originally the D131) became the D120F, and the new
10" became the D110F.

That left the new bass speaker. I didn't want to leave it in the 13x range
because it was different and the 150 was already being used by our theater
woofer. The 140 was not being used, so I named the new bass speaker the D140F.

After I left JBL, I understand they came out with the black crinkle finish and
renamed them E series. The first major modifications were made in the K series,
as I understand it.

>And one other question. Can a similarly-sized frame/magnet assembly be
>reconed with a different kit? Can I take a K140D frame and have it
>reconed with a D130 kit?

I really don't know what changes were made in the K series, so I can't answer
that, but I'll bet the owner of Orange County Speaker Repair can.

*************************


I personally have a 2-15 cab designed, builit and ported by me in the 80's. It is the size of the big box Fender Dual showman cabs sealed back and ported. I used it for keyboard. I never had a problem being heard and this is in the days B4 micing cabs and runing them through the PA. I never blew a speaker and was using a 200 watt solid state amp. One of the important things with JBl is that they can handle a ton of clean power. Theay are very efficient so you can get lots of SPL with low wattage. Clipping your amp does NOT help a JBL. Back in the 60s when the Dual showman was THE AMP, I don't remember anyone blowing JBLs. AND this was before the D130 F came into vogue. I still have the cab and and origianal speakers. Try a dual 15 JBL cab with a Twin Reverb powering it. Still my favorite sound. A little difficult transporting stuff that big and probably too much power for most gigs now-a-days.

I have also read statements from Dick Dale that he had a lot of input into the design of the D130F.

amphog
04-18-2010, 02:02 PM
The K series came after the D series and had alinco mags.. The E series had the very heavy ceramic mag. assembly.

Laced Senses
04-20-2010, 09:30 AM
I'm happy with 15" Eminence Kappa Pro speakers for both guitar and bass. My DR405 amp puts out a lotta juice (1000 watts peak) so my options were limited to speakers that could handle the power in a 2x15 cab.

62deluxe
04-20-2010, 04:27 PM
I have the following 15" speakers: (listed in order fo preference)

JBL D130F the best! rich and deep
Jensen EM series 15", original, spectacular, complex
EV old 15" forget the number, excellent!
Eminence Legend 151, good, but not great
Weber Calif. ceramic, dissapointing, does not sound anything like the JBL (does sound similar to the Eminence)
Jensen square magnet ceramic, might be good for bass, lacking good highs, too muddy for guitar

just my .02

Cottage
04-20-2010, 04:44 PM
GO on Ebay and look for a non-reconed JBL D130. Best 15" speaker ever made. If you can't find that, look for an EV SRO-15, almost as good.

I agree. Altecs were very good, if a bit bright, as well. In the first post on this thread, I was very surprised to see that the D130F was a 25 watt speaker. I am amazed at this, since I regularly used them with twins and showmans and never came close to blowing one.

Timbre Wolf
02-21-2011, 08:42 PM
Okay, I'll start...

I'm running a '50s Sittard EL34 and '40s Ken-Rad 6L6G in my parallel single-ended Victoria Regal II, which first came to me with the Weber-made Regal AlNiCo 15" (like 15A150). It was too fat and "warm" for my taste, so I went with a Weber NeoMag, which continued to be a bit too warm (but with tighter lows).

At Mark Baier's suggestion, I tried Eminence's Legend 151 and I'm done searching. I've got crisper high end, better articulation, tight lows, and still a natural feel.

Not a new 15" story, but a 15" story nonetheless.

- Thom

I've been using the Altec 418B in my Victoria Regal II, for the last several weeks. I immediately noted the sweet treble RhythmRocker had mentioned, and the nice clarity. But I also immediately noted that the punchy, growly low end of the Eminence Legend 15" that had previously been in there was missing. The Altec has typical AlNiCo compression, and I dug it well enough. But today I went ahead and swapped back to the Eminence Legend, and I think I actually prefer it in that amp.

The parallel single-ended power is fast responding - no sag, so I can get the punch if the speaker keeps up. But the power section breakup and compression are already there. I think I would prefer the Altec on a fixed/adjustable-bias class AB power section, as that power type can be a little sterile, and can benefit from the softening effect of the Altec.


Anyway - that was my experience with the speaker. Thanks, Rhythmrocker, for suggesting the 418B - even though I didn't end up keeping it in my amp. That was a very instructive exercise, and I wouldn't know my preference if I didn't actually try it out.
:beer

- Thom


By the way... any field reports from WGS 15" speaker users? I'm still curious (ever searching, always finding).

rhythmrocker
02-21-2011, 09:33 PM
I've been using the Altec 418B in my Victoria Regal II, for the last several weeks. I immediately noted the sweet treble RhythmRocker had mentioned, and the nice clarity. But I also immediately noted that the punchy, growly low end of the Eminence Legend 15" that had previously been in there was missing. The Altec has typical AlNiCo compression, and I dug it well enough. But today I went ahead and swapped back to the Eminence Legend, and I think I actually prefer it in that amp.
The parallel single-ended power is fast responding - no sag, so I can get the punch if the speaker keeps up. But the power section breakup and compression are already there. I think I would prefer the Altec on a fixed/adjustable-bias class AB power section, as that power type can be a little sterile, and can benefit from the softening effect of the Altec. Anyway - that was my experience with the speaker. Thanks, Rhythmrocker, for suggesting the 418B - even though I didn't end up keeping it in my amp. That was a very instructive exercise, and I wouldn't know my preference if I didn't actually try it out.
:beer - Thom
By the way... any field reports from WGS 15" speaker users? I'm still curious (ever searching, always finding).

Seems like there might be a few more to try: the WGS, Big Ben and the SRO-15.

Zimi
02-21-2011, 10:43 PM
Jensen square magnet ceramic, might be good for bass, lacking good highs, too muddy for guitar

I realize it's been a while, but do you have a pic of this speaker? Are you sure it's a Jensen?

I heard someone say he had one in a bass cab, and I told him I'd never heard of a Jensen with a square ceramic magnet. Then he said it had a Fender label and we figured it was probably a CTS or Eminence, but never bothered to check.

Timbre Wolf
02-21-2011, 10:54 PM
Seems like there might be a few more to try: the WGS, Big Ben and the SRO-15.

Do you have any of those?

- T

jcs
02-21-2011, 10:56 PM
15's i own:

Eminence 70s alnico - 2 inch aluminum coil, smooth cone, fairly smooth not bad overall (bit dark) and will handle a lot of power, not as efficient as most later Eminence.

1957 Jensen P15N - original smooth cone, beautiful tone up and down tonally, not real efficient but well balanced and a reference 15 for me though i rarely put more than 15-20 watts thru it .

EV15L - efficient tight and bassy though well fairly balanced, not really my tone as its a bit stiff and cool sounding but i imagine it would be excellent in many applications for some (live work etc).

Eminence 151 - loud and fairly well balanced, punchy bottom end, this is the speaker that i have kept in my 67 Ampeg Gemini II as it seems to fit well compared to others.

Fender 70s Utah ceramic mag - i was surprised how good these sound, quicker breakup and plenty of top end, fairly well balanced.

I want to trade for a Big Ben and try a JBL D130F as well!

Antihero
02-22-2011, 12:36 AM
I realize it's been a while, but do you have a pic of this speaker? Are you sure it's a Jensen?

I heard someone say he had one in a bass cab, and I told him I'd never heard of a Jensen with a square ceramic magnet. Then he said it had a Fender label and we figured it was probably a CTS or Eminence, but never bothered to check.

I have a square backed Emi that was in a Sunn Sonaro cab( or at least i think its a sonaro cab).

It has an aluminum dust cap thats been broken, but it actually sounds pretty good. Ive thought about gluing another cap over the top but im afraid it'll change the sound.

Emi couldnt tell me anything about past the year it was made though.

buddyrama
02-22-2011, 04:56 AM
I just got a WGS ceramic 15 and stuck it in a Red Plate pine cab. I am using it with a Ceriatone 100 watt head, no OD and I love it! Big, clear and well defined. Good even sound with chords and single string stuff. I got my first WGS in a Red Plate combo and went apeshit crazy over it. Bought two ceramic tens for my Victoria super and the 15 to use with every thing. Pricing a side, I think these are the hippest speakers to come around in a while, all due respect to the good folks at Weber and Tone Tubby,of course. I own and love their speakers, I just sound better with WGS.

Timbre Wolf
02-22-2011, 07:22 AM
I just got a WGS ceramic 15 and stuck it in a Red Plate pine cab. I am using it with a Ceriatone 100 watt head, no OD and I love it! Big, clear and well defined. Good even sound with chords and single string stuff. I got my first WGS in a Red Plate combo and went apeshit crazy over it. Bought two ceramic tens for my Victoria super and the 15 to use with every thing. Pricing a side, I think these are the hippest speakers to come around in a while, all due respect to the good folks at Weber and Tone Tubby,of course. I own and love their speakers, I just sound better with WGS.

Thanks for the report - I've been curious about the WGS...

- Thom

dewman
02-22-2011, 09:32 AM
lemme throw out a request for the 'best' 15 inch speaker for a tweed pro amp?? modern production or vintage...and why do you like it, or rather what are the features that you like about it?

rhythmrocker
02-22-2011, 09:46 AM
I just got a WGS ceramic 15 and stuck it in a Red Plate pine cab. I am using it with a Ceriatone 100 watt head, no OD and I love it! Big, clear and well defined. Good even sound with chords and single string stuff. I got my first WGS in a Red Plate combo and went apeshit crazy over it. Bought two ceramic tens for my Victoria super and the 15 to use with every thing. Pricing a side, I think these are the hippest speakers to come around in a while, all due respect to the good folks at Weber and Tone Tubby,of course. I own and love their speakers, I just sound better with WGS.

oh no!! more gas . . . .

Thom - I do have an SRO-15" . . .(no cab though).

Timbre Wolf
02-22-2011, 09:49 AM
oh no!! more gas . . . .

Thom - I do have an SRO-15" . . .(no cab though).

Gonna have to get an extension cab for that...

- T

NoGlassNoClass
02-22-2011, 12:23 PM
I have a pair of EVM15L Series II (200 Watt). I am thinking about building a Thiele-type cabinet per EV's TL606 spec to use with a Mesa MkV combo (open back, C90 spk). Advice, pro/con would be greatly appreciated. FWIW, the speakers were reconed by Weber about 3 yrs ago and used in a pair of full-range PA cabs, so are nicely broken-in.

rhythmrocker
02-22-2011, 12:33 PM
I have a pair of EVM15L Series II (200 Watt). I am thinking about building a Thiele-type cabinet per EV's TL606 spec to use with a Mesa MkV combo (open back, C90 spk). Advice, pro/con would be greatly appreciated. FWIW, the speakers were reconed by Weber about 3 yrs ago and used in a pair of full-range PA cabs, so are nicely broken-in.

Had one but for my old ears, just too ice-picky and my ears rang from it. Not a good choice with a "bright" amp IMO.

NoGlassNoClass
02-22-2011, 07:35 PM
Had one but for my old ears, just too ice-picky and my ears rang from it. Not a good choice with a "bright" amp IMO.

Interesting...I would have never figured a 15 in a ported box would be anything even close to bright or "ice-picky". Thanks.

jcs
02-22-2011, 08:49 PM
My EV15L is not too bright or ice picky, its just a cool sort of sterile tone.

I've never heard many 15s that were overly bright.

For a 50's tweed Pro style amp a smooth cone P15N is what i would use for proper authentic tone.

zenfreud
10-31-2011, 10:53 PM
I really like the tone of a EVM15 in an EV TL606 type cab. Big & punchy, not ice picky to my ears. I gotta say, it's one of the nicest sounding speakers I've hooked up to my BFVR. But all bigger drivers have a trade-off as far as off-axis response goes; stand off to the side and your highs really disappear.

rhythmrocker
11-04-2011, 10:11 PM
Just purchased a Big Ben and WGS 15C - I'll try and get back to here to post in the next few weeks. Anyone have an EV Force 15 speaker?

Wileyone
11-05-2011, 03:10 AM
To me the EV SRO 15L is the "Holy Grail" of 15" Guitar speakers. I recently put one in my Peavey Delta Blues. The stock speaker was a Blue Marvel probably a Peavey branded Big Ben. I just love the sound of the SRO Speaker. It is just a cut above everything else.


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y228/Scotty111/IMG_0710.jpg

rhythmrocker
11-05-2011, 05:24 AM
To me the EV SRO 15L is the "Holy Grail" of 15" Guitar speakers. It is just a cut above everything else.

I'll find out soon - I've got an EV SRO 15L in the shop waiting for an original recone kit (on backorder). I'll A/B it against the afore mentioned speakers, using a 68 Bassman and MusicMan RD50 head with a couple of Ed Goforth mods.

vrdyer
11-05-2011, 05:39 AM
Definitely the EVM 15 L. Put it in a really small enclosure and it still sounded great. Amazing in a 215.

corn husk bag
11-05-2011, 08:07 AM
Great thread, can't wait to here more thoughts on various 15ners.

Thanks,
Steve

straightblues
11-05-2011, 08:33 AM
I have a JBL matched with my '64 Deluxe which is in a custom cabinet. It is a really good combination. I am very happy. It is a bright speaker with the aluminum center so I have to watch it so I don't get ice pick. But it sounds great. Lots of classic rock tones.

rhythmrocker
11-05-2011, 08:36 AM
I have a JBL matched with my '64 Deluxe which is in a custom cabinet. It is a really good combination. I am very happy. It is a bright speaker with the aluminum center so I have to watch it so I don't get ice pick. But it sounds great. Lots of classic rock tones.

Try the Mitchell Donut (Do a search) to help "even out" those highs.

rhythmrocker
11-05-2011, 08:37 AM
Definitely the EVM 15 L. Put it in a really small enclosure and it still sounded great. Amazing in a 215.

Too bright for my MusicMan Amp - what amp works well with that EVM15L?

Jahn
03-02-2012, 08:44 AM
Had to graveyard bump this, because I am truly surprised by the EVM15L Series II (200 Watt) speaker that came stock in my Mesa IIA 1X15 combo. I wouldn't call it sterile, but it is drier than the pair of C12N type speakers in my Pro Reverb. However, the 15 inch with my Mesa in 100 Watt Mode was something I thought would be boomy and flabby on the bass end - no way, it's tight and punchy and gives out some of the BIGGEST cleans I've owned, period. The highs were also revelatory - not ice picky here, in a Mesa IIA (which is known to put out great cleans) I got a full range all the way up into the highs, after I dimed the Presence knob. It even can chime, and the sustain on the clean notes aren't beaten by anything else I've owned. This 1X15 is extremely cohesive, and belies its heavy metal looks. GREAT SPEAKER that WEIGHS A TON. Here it is in my Mesa:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/1980%20Mesa%20Mark%20II%201x15%20Combo/IMG_5557.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v449/jahn0603/1980%20Mesa%20Mark%20II%201x15%20Combo/IMG_5556.jpg

rhythmrocker
06-15-2012, 01:34 PM
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x203/rhythmrocker/IMG_0001.jpg

Here's the deal . . .
I have always been curious about 15" speakers, having only used 10's and 12's. My favorite 12" speaker(s) are an EV Force 12, Mesa MC-90, followed closely (very closely) by a Fane AXA12, Celestion Gold, and Celestion G12-65. So - a few years ago I bought an Altec 418B 15", 100 watt speaker. What a muscial sounding speaker! (with Bassman head or MM RD50, a slighter brighter amp, single coils and buckers too). Finally, I got a few more speakers to try as pictured above. Here's my review:
Altec 418B (100 watts) - Very Musical Sounding Speaker
WGS 15C - (75 watts) - When compared to Eminence Big Ben – punch, smooth upper mids, very tight bottom end sound very, very big!
Eminence Big Ben (225 watts) - When compared to a WGS 15C – bright, too much upper trebles; bottom end flubby (using a strat).
EVM-15L (200 watts) - Big, bold, heavy but too bright for my taste; better with a Bassman since MM RD is a tad bright, but not overly so.
JBL D130F (35-60 watts as rated by Harvey Gerst) - Not tried b/c of vintage prices; I want modern production with 50 watts+ and don’t want to worry about pushing it.

Next - will do a comparison of the WGS to the Altec 418B.

But the most interesting thing here is this. Before I broke in the Big Ben and WGS, I comapred them and the WGS was super bright and the Big Ben warmer. I ran an Isotek CD for about 40 hours at a pretty fair volume (you could hear it outside the house and I had to get "clearance" from my upstairs neighbor as well). Now - broken in - the WGS is the warmer, more musical sounding speaker and the Big Ben bright (much more treble) and less musical - a 180 degree turn around!! This of course with the same amp and same testing location in my living room, etc.)

Now I know - speakers can change tremendously between new and broken in status. Take my actual experience for it!

I look forward to trying other 15" speakers and comparing them. As a matter of fact, I may become a 15" convert since that 15" speaker really sounds fantastic next to a couple of 12's I've tried. I really like the BIGNESS of that sound, even in a relatively small cabinet. Eventually, I'll compare my best 15 to 10's since I like the punch of 10's

Later folks. ~RR
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jcs
06-15-2012, 03:31 PM
Good review! Of course it goes without saying that you can't fairly compare a new speaker to an broken in version.

There is something about a 15 in the right cabinet and i agree, it doesn't need to be a big cabinet to have that 'Big 15 sound' either.

I am getting set to install my mint early 60's Chicago Jensen C15N in my 67 Ampeg Gemini II....until now the plain old Eminence Legend 15 has been a fav along with some early 70's Eminence alnico smooth cones...in this amp the EV15L has been too dry and boomy sounding in my music room.

rhythmrocker
06-21-2012, 10:28 PM
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x203/rhythmrocker/15-inchspeaker-4.jpg

Will have some new results soon. I have been breaking in a EV-15" SRO with a brand new "e" cone, i.e., an original kit (took 2months to find) AND a Jensen Neo 15". Same setup with 2 identical cabs using Isotek CD for 50 hours plus this time. The above pic is for show - I put each cabinet on the same spot on the floor to account for any reflective surfaces that will alter the tone.

Ok - "tested" both speakers and here's what I (and a good friend who knows tone) say:
1) Jensen Neo - by comparison to the EV SRO, just a little tighter bottom end, and bit more musical sounding, with a little "splatt" on the top end which is one way of saying a bit - a slight bit - brittle. Remember that I am using a G&L Strat with ceramic pickups and an RD head, which is a little bit bright. I have other amps I could use but have found that if a speaker sounds good (like the WGS 15C) with this head, it will also sound good/great with my '68 Bassman head.
2) EV SRO - by comparison to the Neo - breaks up a little sooner at higher volumes (a good sound breakup for rock 'n 'roll for sure), bass is not quite as tight as the Neo, a little more brittle on the top end (not overly so but my experience tells me that I might get ear fatigue with it over the course of a gig, but probably wouldn't with Bassman head).

Use the information as you can/add it to your own. The winner in my book is the WGS 15C. I have a few other speaker to try but at this point, if you've been afraid to try the 15" WGS since not many have tried it yet - don't be.

Till next time.

mad dog
06-24-2012, 07:45 PM
RR:

You're making me real curious about that WGS 15" ceramic. My usual first choice for 15 is the Weber Cali paperdome ceramic. Wondering how that WGS would compare.
MD

rhythmrocker
06-24-2012, 09:50 PM
RR:

You're making me real curious about that WGS 15" ceramic. My usual first choice for 15 is the Weber Cali paperdome ceramic. Wondering how that WGS would compare.
MD

JUST ORDERED A cALI CERAMIC 15 WITH A LARGE SCREEN DOME (i LIKE SMOOTH HIGHS AND CAN DIAL IN MO "E" IF i NEED TO)

sTAY tUNED . . .

BobbyRay
06-25-2012, 09:55 AM
What is the speaker that comes in the '64 Vibroverb Custom from Fender closest too? I'm pretty sure it's an eminence of some sort. Is it just a relabeled 151?

Onioner
06-25-2012, 11:07 PM
Been watchin' this for a while. Not that I have anything to add now, but the one I do have just came up a couple posts ago, so might as well check in.

Just started in with 15" a bit ago, and my single experience so far is not what I was expecting. That single speaker is a Ceramic California, paper dome. Very pleasing. Does not get undesirably bass heavy, and highs come through just fine. Has that big, open, rich feeling that pairs so wonderfully with a BF style amp. While I like the big prettiness in general, it borders on divine with the Zhangbucker neck P90 on my LP. To be fair, that's become about all I use with that speaker, with brief forays into a Voxy style amp, which is never quite satisfying, and of course, the Tele neck (a Shep) is lovely too. As advertised, sounds awful with any sort of distortion. Still, very pleased, but I'm not sure I can't do better. It can be breathtakingly lovely, but I still wonder if there can't be a bit more of everything I like about it. I'd like to try an AlNiCo aluminum dome.

More importantly, I'd really like to try a 15" with my 5E3. I have a feeling that could be awesome. Because I'm a Weber fanatic, I'm naturally gravitating towards the 15A150, and probably the 'B', as I appreciate inefficiency. Might see if they can do more of a 15A125 but w/ decreased efficiency. Part of me is really tempted to do two 15A100s though... That last probably won't happen, as it would entail getting a 2x15 cab, and while I think it might be awesome, it might also be horrible, and then what do I do with a 2x15 cab?

wesleywest
06-25-2012, 11:25 PM
Of the 15's I've tried (most of which have been mentioned), the EV15L and JBL E-130 are my favorites with the edge going to the JBL.

To my ear, the E-130 has all the things I like about the EV while having a much more pleasing high-end response.

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w371/wwstedman/a5a90034.jpg

rhythmrocker
06-25-2012, 11:45 PM
Been watchin' this for a while. Not that I have anything to add now, but the one I do have just came up a couple posts ago, so might as well check in.

Just started in with 15" a bit ago, and my single experience so far is not what I was expecting. That single speaker is a Ceramic California, paper dome. Very pleasing. Does not get undesirably bass heavy, and highs come through just fine. Has that big, open, rich feeling that pairs so wonderfully with a BF style amp. While I like the big prettiness in general, it borders on divine with the Zhangbucker neck P90 on my LP. To be fair, that's become about all I use with that speaker, with brief forays into a Voxy style amp, which is never quite satisfying, and of course, the Tele neck (a Shep) is lovely too. As advertised, sounds awful with any sort of distortion. Still, very pleased, but I'm not sure I can't do better. It can be breathtakingly lovely, but I still wonder if there can't be a bit more of everything I like about it. I'd like to try an AlNiCo aluminum dome.

More importantly, I'd really like to try a 15" with my 5E3. I have a feeling that could be awesome. Because I'm a Weber fanatic, I'm naturally gravitating towards the 15A150, and probably the 'B', as I appreciate inefficiency. Might see if they can do more of a 15A125 but w/ decreased efficiency. Part of me is really tempted to do two 15A100s though... That last probably won't happen, as it would entail getting a 2x15 cab, and while I think it might be awesome, it might also be horrible, and then what do I do with a 2x15 cab?

https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/dt15-rear.jpg

Maybe this would be the ticket: a Weber DT-15 ! The bigger brother of Derek Trucks DT-10.
https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/dt15.html

rhythmrocker
06-25-2012, 11:47 PM
Of the 15's I've tried (most of which have been mentioned), the EV15L and JBL E-130 are my favorites with the edge going to the JBL.

To my ear, the E-130 has all the things I like about the EV while having a much more pleasing high-end response.

http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w371/wwstedman/a5a90034.jpg

OK - but what amp? what guitar? I tried this a few years back and it didn't blow my socks off. That's what I am looking for, like the Altec 418B paper screen speaker (NOT the aluminum dome one).

Onioner
06-25-2012, 11:57 PM
Maybe this would be the ticket: a Weber DT-15 ! The bigger brother of Derek Trucks DT-10.
https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/dt15.html

I would love to give one of them a test run. That could be it.

Mario C.
06-26-2012, 12:02 AM
what about the Fane AXA 15B ? anyone tried one ? specs look impresive ...

celestion101
06-26-2012, 12:04 AM
The prototype Celestion I have! :D Avatar built me one of his oversized 2x12's however made the baffle for a 15"....very nice! I am not sure if this speaker will ever see production but it sounds really nice. I belive its a 2" voice coil, H style magnet. Really chimey in the mids and top-end, but tight lows.

rhythmrocker
06-26-2012, 12:19 AM
what about the Fane AXA 15B ? anyone tried one ? specs look impresive ...
Maybe - but it weighs 18.73 pounds . . . .
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQwlhyDbLON-wD-if57wTavNcPDgczKKJ59f8uT8miCVfshGIWf

CaptRKirkB
06-26-2012, 01:25 AM
I can't give good comparisons 'cause they are so different, but both work perfectly in their own application. I have 2;52' Fender WP Pro w/ Jensen P 15N, and a 63 BF Pro w/ a JBL D-130F.The JBL kills with the Brownie and the Jensen seems perfectly matched to the tweed. Though I would love to hear some of these others especialy the WGS peace Kirk

mad dog
06-26-2012, 05:30 AM
Onioner:

On the 5E3 side, an eminence Legend 151 came stock in my Victoria Trem de la Trem (a tweed tremolux type), and I may not experiment with others here. The Legend matches up perfectly with the tonal character of the amp. Adds volume, texture in the bass, and certainly doesn't fight the swampy, raw vibe the TDLT seems to be all about.
MD

BobbyRay
06-26-2012, 10:36 AM
Onioner:

On the 5E3 side, an eminence Legend 151 came stock in my Victoria Trem de la Trem (a tweed tremolux type), and I may not experiment with others here. The Legend matches up perfectly with the tonal character of the amp. Adds volume, texture in the bass, and certainly doesn't fight the swampy, raw vibe the TDLT seems to be all about.
MD

I posted earlier, but with no reply...Do you know if the Emi Legeng 151 is the same speaker that came stock in the now discontinued '64 Vibroverb Custom?

Cottage
06-26-2012, 11:58 AM
I used to always use JBL, Altec or EV. In that original post, it lists a D130F as being a 25 watt speaker, is that correct. I always assumed it could handle way more than that. I used them in Single Showmans and Twins and never blew one.

mad dog
06-26-2012, 12:23 PM
Bobby:

Sorry, I never saw one of those Vibroverbs, so haven't checked the speaker. The Legend seems to be Mark Baier's speaker of choice for later Victorias. As in the 35115 and 1x15 Victorilux as well as trem de la trem. I don't know of any other builders using it in any quantity.

MD

Figaro
06-26-2012, 05:34 PM
Rhythmrocker,

Can you please give your comparison of the Jensen Neo 15 and the WGS G15C? I'm looking for a speaker for my new Fender Excelsior amp and I have liked the Jensen Neo 12 in other amps. I really like the light weight so I would rather go with the Neo if it sounds as good as the WGS G15C. Is your Jensen Neo 15 broken in?

Also, Have you tried the Eminence Legend 1518 speaker? if so, how does it compare?

Thank you!

rhythmrocker
06-26-2012, 10:09 PM
Rhythmrocker,

Can you please give your comparison of the Jensen Neo 15 and the WGS G15C? I'm looking for a speaker for my new Fender Excelsior amp and I have liked the Jensen Neo 12 in other amps. I really like the light weight so I would rather go with the Neo if it sounds as good as the WGS G15C. Is your Jensen Neo 15 broken in?

Also, Have you tried the Eminence Legend 1518 speaker? if so, how does it compare?

Thank you!
First, the Emi Legend is on my short list to try.
Neo vs. WGS comparison - the bottom end of the WGS is bigger/tighter. I prefer the WGS - they are relatively inexpensive and I would recommend one instead of a Neo - just so you can try it. I would also recommend an Altec 418-B, the most musical of all the 15's I've tried. It's my #1 and this process is about finding a modern production "best". If you get an Altec, be sure to get a Screen dome.
EDIT: I spent the day A/B my 15's - with a good break in between - and revise my previous statements a bit. The Neo definitely has less bottom end than the WGS, however, the Neo mids are lower (less treble?) and so with a slightly brighter amp (my MusicMan RD50), is is more pleasant. The WGS is a very close second overall. I tried my SRO-15 today (again) and it just doesn't cut it IMHO).
Neo and WGS both are very light - don't have thme out of cabs right now so can't weigh them but I can lift each by the magnet with one hand - pretty easily.

BobbyRay
06-27-2012, 05:25 AM
Bobby:

Sorry, I never saw one of those Vibroverbs, so haven't checked the speaker. The Legend seems to be Mark Baier's speaker of choice for later Victorias. As in the 35115 and 1x15 Victorilux as well as trem de la trem. I don't know of any other builders using it in any quantity.

MD


Thanks Brother!

Just trying to get a bead on what speaker I have so I can understand more of the descriptions here in a relative way.

rhythmrocker
06-29-2012, 10:22 AM
Ok - so spent another 8 hours doing comparisons with two different amps and 5 different guitars, just to get out of this "project."
>My overall favorite = Altec 418B, very sweet and musical sounding, not at all bright but plenty of treble there.
>second = Jensen Neo 15, all the frequencies there, good and tight bottom, even with humbuckers, slightly better for sure with single coils
>third = WGS 15C, a really good sounding speaker; has lots of upper mid, treble content in both my amps but I like more mids; the tightest and biggest sounding bottom end of all the speakers I've tried (Altec 418B (100 watts), Jensen Neo 15 (100 watts), WGS 15C (75 watts), EV-SRO 15” (75 watts), Eminence Big Ben (225 watts) - just too bright for me with any bright amp, EVM-15L (200 watts), JBL D130F (35-60 watts as rated by Harvey Gerst), EV Force 15 (150 watts) - great sounding speaker).

Selling the SRO.

rhythmrocker
09-21-2013, 10:21 PM
Altec #1 418B (100 watts) Alnico mag

Very Musical Sounding Speaker; Good balance Bass good and reasonably tight (little soft); mids good but not humphy; you have to turn the treble down with some amps or it definitely gets ice-picky; 3D, balanced; very efficient; loud but very musical; this would be Ron’s #1 also; all original.

Weber Ceramic Cali 15

Large H dome (screen cloth) (80 watts)

Weber's California Ceramic 15 is very balanced and responsive. Bass not as solid as the WGS but still excellent with a little nice breakup; mids are excellent and mixes well with the other frequencies to yield a complexity of tone; treble is solid and “sweet”; less efficient than the WGS. Best overall IMHO (Ron). Trades loudness for complexity in tone; sounds in between the Weber Michigan and the Weber Classic Alnico 15, but so far, somehow, I prefer this to the Michigan, like different flavors of ice cream.

Weber Michigan Alnico 15”

(100 watts)

Bass – rounded notes; mids more pronounced than the Weber Classic Alnico 15; much warmer, more rounded, fuller sounding than Classic Alnico; Sounds like a well-broken in speaker, and not flabby.

Weber Classic Anico 15

Solid Bass; modest mids; sweet highs; musical sounding; well controlled in all ranges; articulate and balanced.

Altec # 2 418B (100 watts) Alnico mag

A Reconed 418B with Waldom Parts; voice coil is round wound copper, not edge wound; 391850 (1978); vented dust cap no original; compared to #1, this speaker sounds a little congested (cloudy), like a thin blanket over it; less defined notes; resonant frequency = 60 Hz.

Weber Dereck Trucks DT15

Overall, very smooth and musical; lower bass response than above speakers (at least lower bass sounding); not woody (I LIKE woody however).

WGS 15C (75 watts)

(no sound absorber)

When compared to Eminence Big Ben – punchy, flat in the upper mids, very very solid and tight bottom end sounds very, very big! I have not compared to an Alnico but heard that ceramic in general has tighter bottom end; when compared to a Neo, the Neo is more “balanced”; the WGS has way more bottom end – even better than the neo, especially with humbuckers; and the mid emphasis is flat); “sounds better” with a Bassman than with a solid state amp

EV Force 15 (150 watts)

(no absorber)

Like a 15L but much smoother on the top end; might keep this one around for a day when I really need something to cut through.

Jensen Neo 15

(100 watts)

(test at home with carpets)

Not bad; more crisp bottom than my re-coned/broken-in EV SRO (surprisingly); bass is soft yet solid; more mids than the WGS 15C; Treble is a little spikey

EV-SRO 15” (75 watts)

(test at home with carpets)

This is an old speaker with a brand new “e” cone (NOT the B cone that is widely used in re-coning), replaced by Audivex (very competent); sounds about average; no more specifics as I am just selling it cause it’s just too heavy

Eminence Big Ben (225 watts)

(no absorber)

When compared to a WGS 15C – bright, too much upper trebles; bottom end flubby.

Eminence Legend 1518

(150 watts)

Very even response all around; for my tastes, too flat sounding (not like a Neo at all, but “dull” might be a better word). Interesting that lots of folks like this speaker so just goes to show . . .
EVM-15L (200 watts)

(tested at home with carpets)

Big, bold, heavy and too bright; ice picky

JBL D130F (35-60 watts as rated by Harvey Gerst)

Not tried b/c of vintage prices; I want modern production with 50 watts+ and don’t want to worry about pushing it.

es137p
09-22-2013, 08:32 AM
haven't gone back over all the pages, but I'm with maddog, the Eminence Legend 15" is the best 15" that I've used.

rhythmrocker
07-01-2014, 12:36 AM
Any new additions?

mad dog
07-01-2014, 09:11 AM
WGS G15C. Excellent sound for me in a pine 1x15 cab. MD

corn husk bag
07-01-2014, 01:14 PM
Great thread, thanks for all the information on the various 15 inchers.

Kind Regards,
Steve

Timbre Wolf
07-01-2014, 01:32 PM
I'd love to hear from anyone who has played through a Telonics Neo 15" speaker. Not much information on these, but here's a link to their origin: http://www.tpa-az.com/page11.htm

- Thom

Cottage
07-01-2014, 01:47 PM
Hard to believe a JBL D130 is only a 25 watt speaker. I used em for years singly with 40 and 45 watt heads and they were loud and clear, never blew one. There was even a single 15 Fender Showman option.

Tone_Terrific
07-01-2014, 04:35 PM
Eminence Legend 1518

(150 watts)

Very even response all around; for my tastes, too flat sounding (not like a Neo at all, but “dull” might be a better word). Interesting that lots of folks like this speaker so just goes to show . . .




I have one and I have only used one other, but neither were dull.
How do you rate a v30?
I put the Emi Leg15 as brighter, with less in the upper mids, more scooped/even than the Cele, as a point of comparison.

pale fire
07-04-2014, 09:07 AM
Just got a new 1 - 15" (empty) cabinet from Mojotone yesterday.....this morning I tried it with a SICA (Jensen) NEO and an old Pyle "Pyle Driver" I had laying around. The Pyle was pretty mediocre. The Neo was good....had some sparkle to it....bass didn't overwhelm the overall tone. I also have a Fender reissue of the JBL D130 in a Fender Steel King that I will try next.

Also spent some time listening to various clips from the manufacturers this morning and really liked the Jensen P15n and WGS G15a ....Alnicos just suit my style of playing and taste. Will probably buy the Jensen P soon....both sounded great clean, I thought the Jensen was a little punchier and less "woofy" when distorted.....but I know a lot of factors can influence the sound (cabinet, mic used, guitar, etc...)

fernieite
07-05-2014, 03:04 AM
FUnny this should come up now. I was searching for a thread like this one a couple of months ago. I have a 1963 non-reverb Pro that I picked up off a TGP member last fall. The amp came with the original CTS 15" and I didnt want to risk blowing it. I went with a Emi Legend 151 after reading a Tone Quest article, and I couldn't be more pleased with the speaker. I was skeptical based on the low price, and thought it would be cheaply made. But its sounds incredible and now I dont have to risk blowing the CTS!! $99 + tax Cdn and made in USA too.

Funny, I actually own the '64 Pro that was in The Tonequest Report. The Eminence Legend does sounds good, however, I'd like to hear what an original C15P or CTS sounds like. (Mine originally came with the Jensen - which was reconed; although I never got around to getting it from Dave Wilson when I bought the amp)

I also hear that a vintage C15N may sound good in this amp - Any opinions? :beer

fernieite
07-05-2014, 03:29 AM
Good review! Of course it goes without saying that you can't fairly compare a new speaker to an broken in version.

There is something about a 15 in the right cabinet and i agree, it doesn't need to be a big cabinet to have that 'Big 15 sound' either.

I am getting set to install my mint early 60's Chicago Jensen C15N in my 67 Ampeg Gemini II....until now the plain old Eminence Legend 15 has been a fav along with some early 70's Eminence alnico smooth cones...in this amp the EV15L has been too dry and boomy sounding in my music room.

JCS, how did the C15N sound in comparison the Legend? :bounce

hotraman
07-05-2014, 09:49 AM
I play into a Sica Neo 15" speaker as well. Had the cabinet made by Tommy Huff, out of Texas.
This speaker gets a lot of props from steel guitar players.
My buddy built a Deluxe head 53E head.
Its a nice combination.
I enjoy the sound of the Sica ..very lightweight.

EFK
07-05-2014, 10:23 AM
I'm kind of late to this, but if I can offer some experience, given that I'm a huge fan of 15" speakers and have used quite a lot of them over the years: I think for any vintage-type or traditional-type American amp, it's incredibly hard to beat a vintage C15N/P15N either original or reconed by someone who really knows what they're doing (I use Gordon Kjellberg for all this stuff). And, they still can be had relatively affordably and it seems easy to find speakers that retain a very clean, unused appearance. I also like the EMi 1518 very much as to my ear it retains the C15N tone with an added helping of 'more,' however it is is quite a loud speaker and takes a bit of time to loosen up and loose some of the 'flat' feel that some have noted.

If you want a bit more of a nasal honk with some added breakup and mids emphasis (with less bass), a P15P can be really hard to beat: N-series voice coil size with a smaller magnet.

DC1
07-05-2014, 10:35 AM
Here's what is in the new Quilter Steelaire. Very nice speaker that sounds like a D130 to me.


http://www.eminence.com/speakers/speaker-detail/?model=EPS_15C


dc

MaxTwang
07-05-2014, 10:47 AM
I like the Weber 15A150, have in a Weber 5E5A kit I built. Not a JBL vibe, more relaxed and not 'in your face'. A nice big, warm, full sounding speaker.

79stratman
07-05-2014, 11:37 AM
Well...I'm even later to this than EFK ( and didn't read all the thread posts), but I continue to enjoy my TT hemp re-coned JBL D130F's. I had three of them, but just sold my spare I had in safe-keeping. Never had a problem with the two I have in service. I imagine the power handling capacity is a bit higher with the hemp cones, but don't really know the specs. I'm sure ABrownSoun can enlighten anyone that's interested.

Onioner
07-06-2014, 09:30 PM
Maybe this would be the ticket: a Weber DT-15 ! The bigger brother of Derek Trucks DT-10.
https://taweber.powweb.com/weber/dt15.html

Just on the by and by, I'm giving one of these a shot. I kinda love the DT-10s with a couple different setups, most notably a simplified D-style amp. I keep the treble way higher than I would, and it smooths it out really beautifully. I still have an empty 1x15, so I figured it was time to give something else a try.

Gonna have to try it along w/ the 2x10 of DTs too. I know multi-sized speaker pairings rarely work out, but it's worth a shot.

hotraman
07-06-2014, 09:40 PM
Another question to ask:
4 ohm vs 8 ohm?

Which is best for OP's application?

I know the Steelaire has a 4 ohm speaker, which some pedal steel players prefer.

Tone_Terrific
07-09-2014, 04:08 PM
Another question to ask:
4 ohm vs 8 ohm?

Which is best for OP's application?

I know the Steelaire has a 4 ohm speaker, which some pedal steel players prefer.
The one best matched to the amp is the better choice.