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steve_man
04-09-2010, 11:24 AM
Watching used ones on the bay right now. Probably gonna get a used Technics/Pioneer/Kenwood direct drive unit. Anything I should stay away from?

Thanks...

supergenius365
04-09-2010, 12:00 PM
I think there is so much variation in different brands over the years, your question might be too broad.

You might have better luck here:

http://www.audiokarma.org/

hippiebob
04-09-2010, 12:11 PM
If you're buying an older turntable, watch out for the prices of replacement needles. They can get pretty pricey. You can't go wrong with a 70's Pioneer turntable IMO.

fjabjr
04-09-2010, 12:26 PM
There are some cool new turntables that have USB connections. Can go direct to the computer. Get all the cool analog vinyl scratches recorded and digitally stored on your ipod. The best of both worlds.

It's Time!
04-09-2010, 12:48 PM
I still use my mint Pioneer PL L800 Linear Tracking Turntable I bought new in 1981.

antojado
04-09-2010, 12:51 PM
It's gotta be tube!

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/bogen-vp-20-tube-turntable-phonograph

aeolian
04-09-2010, 12:53 PM
If you can, stay away from lower end direct drive turntables. The better Denon quartz ones aren't as bad, but theres a reason every high end turntable is belt driven.

Direct drive transmits the cogging, or stepping from pole to pole in them motor directly to the record. Belt drive allows a reduction which makes the cogging less rumbly, and the belt helps isolate the motor.

TRIODEROB
04-09-2010, 12:53 PM
http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/09/basis2.jpg

Bryan T
04-09-2010, 12:53 PM
Watching used ones on the bay right now. Probably gonna get a used Technics/Pioneer/Kenwood direct drive unit. Anything I should stay away from?

Thanks...

For some reason, I thought that direct drive turntables were frowned upon. More motor noise, maybe?

I bought my wife a Music Hall 2.1 several years ago. The geometry of it never seemed quite right to me. I've heard good things about the Rega turntables.

If I had to do it again, I'd probably get a turntable that lifts the needle at the end of the record. My wife has a habit of not paying attention when the side ends.

TRIODEROB
04-09-2010, 12:56 PM
http://www.audioark.com/whats_new/clearaudio-statement2.jpg

TRIODEROB
04-09-2010, 01:03 PM
http://www.reallywantone.com/wp-content/turntable%20transrotor.jpg

speakerjones
04-09-2010, 01:22 PM
http://www.zenn.com.sg/Rega_Planar_2.JPG

steve_man
04-09-2010, 02:22 PM
Wow...had no idea that direct drive was rather frowned upon...and I'll make sure it has a new needle before I buy...just don't wanna drop a ton of cash on one right now...

speakerjones
04-09-2010, 02:27 PM
I got a Planar2 like the one above at a used stereo shop for $75. It needed a new cartridge and belt, but after I fixed her up a bit, I was in vinyl bliss.

aeolian
04-09-2010, 03:06 PM
Don't worry about the needle. A new $30 Grado cartridge from the needledoctor.com will work better than most of the 70's cartridges you could run across. Then you could go up from there.

Trandy
04-09-2010, 03:10 PM
The Project III turntable is an excellent value....and the price won't kill you either.

It has received excellent reviews.

http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=debut

dewey decibel
04-09-2010, 03:26 PM
Direct drive is good for DJs, because they need the higher torque. That's why the Technics 1200s are the standard for DJs- when you press "start" they don't slowly speed up, they start pretty much at speed/pitch. For home use you don't need a high torque unit.

Brian Scherzer
04-09-2010, 03:37 PM
A vinyl playback system is a very personal thing with MANY choices that depend on other parts of the turntable. If you just want a basic turntable and don't plan on upgrading that particular turntable to a high end setup, life becomes a lot easier!

First of all, if you do have speakers that cost in the thousands of dollars, plus a really good amp and preamp, you won't want any of the turntables you mentioned. If your audio system is a more modest one, there is no reason to spend money on a high end turntable, tone arm or cartridge because they would exceed what your current gear can reproduce. If you can say a bit more about what you would be playing your turntable through, or what your budget for a turntable is, people can respond better.

steve_man
04-09-2010, 04:27 PM
Okay...good point. I for sure do not have a "high-end" stereo system. I've got a 15 year old Pioneer head unit, pioneer cd/dvd player, pair of optimus (don't laugh...they really do sound good) floor speakers, and a smaller set of Bose speakers. Really just looking for something that sounds good for a reasonable ($50-75) investment. May upgrade everything later on...but I'd like to re-use some of my gear that I already have...

Brian Scherzer
04-09-2010, 05:31 PM
I don't know if you have a local record store (meaning one that sells new and used LPs). We have one here and they always have some fairly nice low-priced used turntables. That would be one way of finding what you want. I only recently got back into vinyl and bought a nice setup. I had forgotten that a turntable needs a phono preamp, so make sure that your receiver has the capability of accepting a turntable's signal. If not, there are a lot of used phono preamps out there.

wilerty
04-10-2010, 03:11 PM
I've got a Denon belt driven one from the 60's or 70's that hasn't been on in 25 years. It just sits on the cabinet. I just checked, and it is a DP 1200A.

GAD
04-11-2010, 09:39 AM
I got back into vinyl a year or so ago and scored a Techniqes SL1200MK2 on Ebay for $200 or so. I love it. Worth looking into.

steve_man
04-14-2010, 12:47 AM
Well...found my dad's old Realistic, which works...for now. Enjoying some nice tunes. Also raided his vinyl collection. Scored some Ventures, Mamas and the Papas, Beatles, Righteous Brothers...and a whole bunch more.

Gonna keep watching ebay for a good deal on a Technics/Pioneer/Kenwood, etc.

banjoze
04-14-2010, 03:17 AM
Where do you buy your vinyl? For new recordings not the old stuff. I know tons of places to get that.

Doug's Tubes
04-14-2010, 09:19 AM
Where do you buy your vinyl? For new recordings not the old stuff. I know tons of places to get that.

http://www.soundstagedirect.com

steve_man
04-14-2010, 11:26 AM
nice...have to get some newer stuff...

Doug's Tubes
04-14-2010, 11:33 AM
nice...have to get some newer stuff...

Lots of new releases also include the CD version or a digital download. This is the best of all worlds! I received Pat Metheny's Orchestrion in vinyl, CD and digital download for $35!

Doug's Tubes
04-14-2010, 11:41 AM
Watching used ones on the bay right now. Probably gonna get a used Technics/Pioneer/Kenwood direct drive unit. Anything I should stay away from?

Thanks...

Rega turntables, excellent bang for the $$.
http://www.rega.co.uk/index2.htm

Also Music Hall turntables

http://www.musichallaudio.com/products.php?l=3&c=2

Brian Scherzer
04-14-2010, 03:59 PM
I have a feeling that Doug knows his stuff, which wouldn't be surprising for a tube guy! Rega is well-known and does some very good turntables for the price.

One word of caution before I start reading like an audio cork-sniffer (I'll own up to that). Please do NOT judge what an LP can sound like if you are using a beat up turntable and an old cartridge. I wrote something on TGP a while back about my experiences with what a fairly cheap turntable (that was running at the correct speed!) and an upgraded cartridge did to my listening experience.

It was at least 30 years ago and I had JVC separates (nothing special). I was talked into upgrading to a new cartridge about a year after I owned the system. At that time I though I was being foolish. The cartridge I upgraded to was $125, but the difference I heard made a believer out of me that some upgrades are worth it.

The point here is that if you buy an old used turntable, please bring it to someone who works on turntables and make sure that the speed is correct and that the cartridge is OK. Chances are that, for not a whole lot of money, a new cartridge could help you get a much better sound.

BTW, I buy new LPs via the internet at Soundstage (already mentioned in the thread by Doug) and from Acoustic Sounds. Check both for price before ordering an LP. Sometimes one place is less expensive than the other. Also, unless you have audio gear that costs at least $20k, don't pay extra for albums that are cut at 45 rpm for audiophiles if you can get the 33.3 rpm LP for a lot less. Yes, there is a difference, but I doubt you would hear it.

steve_man
04-14-2010, 11:22 PM
Thanks! When I finally get a different turntable, I'll check into a new cartridge...

barkndog
04-16-2010, 07:02 AM
The Project III turntable is an excellent value....and the price won't kill you either.

It has received excellent reviews.

http://www.project-audio.com/main.php?prod=debut


THIS and the Rega Plannar 2 or 3. I have had a P2 since 1990 and its still going strong.

steve_man
04-16-2010, 08:25 AM
when I get a bit of cash stored up, I'll give it a look. Thanks man.

larimar
04-16-2010, 08:43 AM
I bought a "vintage" BIC 980 model off Craigs List a bit back for $40. Belt driven, pitch control with window, etc. Works like a charm and sounds good for everyday listening.