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circusinthesky
04-23-2010, 03:52 PM
Thought this might be of interest to riders. Not looking for sympathy or anything. I am doing well. Just considered that the details might be interesting, or not. We riders often avoid thinking too much about these topics.

Monday, I am riding home from work on my Triumph Scrambler. Full face helmet. Gloves. Jacket. Normal shoes and pants (brand new, first time wearing them). Its 4 PM or so, and I am riding on a "frontage" road. Its a fairly empty road. One lane in each direction. Railroad tracks to the left, and to the right are loading docks and parking lots. I am in the right lane. Its a long and straight road. In the left lane coming towards me is a jeep wrangler. I am going maybe 40 MPH. As you might expect, he just big fat turns left in front of me. I have the time to think "really?" and grab for the brakes, then the bike hits the hood of his jeep.

I don't recall being in the air. I think my legs hitting the hood of the jeep sort of ruined that moment of peaceful flight. I DO recall hitting the ground. Hard. That was accompanied by a global pain and the usual blazing white light. I was not knocked out, but I was dazed for a moment. After coming to a stop, I noticed I couldn't breathe. I was laying on my right side. Still can't breathe. Someone at my side telling me not to move. (No chance of that at the moment.) STILL CAN"T BR...ah. A shallow breath. So my lungs are not collapsed. That's a good thing. Another one followed about ten seconds later, and then the breathing was okay.

I hear a lady calling 911. A guy: "What hurts?" What doesn't? My arm and legs. The paramedics and Fire Dept station are both about a mile away, so they arrived pretty fast. A VIP was visiting that day, so there were about eight guys hanging around and helping I felt pretty well supported. Some rapid fire questions. Name? What kind of bike? What hurts? Did I lose consciousness? Am I allergic to any medications? Do I like the bike? General stuff. They pulled my helmet off. My face mask broke off in the fall. They put a brace around my neck, although my neck was okay. They took off my jacket as far as the right arm. The glove would not come off without serious discomfort. No question about it, something was broken. They cut off the glove, removed my jacket, braced my arm, and loaded me up in the meat truck for the short ride to the emergency room.

At the ER, it was fairly quiet. It was a slow period before the evening storm, so again, I received a lot of attention by a number of different people. A lot of questions were asked and answered while my clothes were cut off. (They left me the boxer shorts, so I was saved that minor indignity (although the Doctor did check and notice one of my "jimmies" was cut up a little.)

I called my Wife who was expecting me home an hour ago. She needed to leave very soon to teach a night class, and we had arranged to eat together before she left. I explained that I was in an accident, had broken my arm, but was OKAY. I advised her to feed the dogs, lock them up, go to work, and then swing by the hospital. I kept it vague. I did not explain the details to her so that she did not worry too much.

They stitched up my chin, and washed some other wounds. When I hit the Jeep, I obviously just went up and down, and did not slide on the ground. I have no road rash!!! I do look like I was mauled by a weak bear though. I have some long claw marks on my right thigh probably caused by something on the hood of the jeep or on my handlebars. A gash on my nose, various cuts on my legs, my thighs are all purple, etc. Could be worse. No internal injuries. No brain damage. No spinal injuries. As I said, I am not looking for sympathy because I feel I have been pretty lucky.

My right forearm was broken. A nurse used the words "looks like the Pacific Coast Highway". It needed to be set before it could be splinted, so one doctor administered anesthesia to put me out, and another pulled my wrist away from my arm and aligned the bone, then splinted it. They set me up with an appointment two days later to have a plate screwed to the bone. (That operation went okay, and I have two weeks in this splint, then four weeks in a removable cast.) Sorry I did not take pics. I had my iPhone too!

I was technically released at this point, but when I tried to stand, I broke out in a cold sweat and experienced bad vertigo. They needed me out of the room, so they wheeled my bed to the hall so I could just recover a little more. It was really getting busy. A lot of unfortunate people came and went who were in much worse shape than I. After 30 minutes, I was able to move to a wheel chair. I stayed there for an hour or so before I could shamble about on my own. The problem is that my thighs hit the hood of that jeep at 40 mph. At a guess, I assume this would be similar to being beaten about the legs with a bat for a couple minutes. Although not broken, my legs were very weak, and very sore. Standing and walking was quite a task for the next three days, and I needed help getting up or down. I slept in a chair downstairs, but one morning I moved to the couch to lay down for a bit. Big mistake. It took about 15 minutes to get my legs off the couch, sit up, and then rise. Its much better now, and ibuprofin has been a great help.

Insurance totaled the bike. Their payment to me is very fair. I have not seen it after the crash. It was out of my POV, and I did not sit up on the scene. The other guy's insurance company is accepting 100% of the blame, so that's good that I don't have to deal with those sorts of frustrations. There were two witnesses who saw the guy turn left directly in front of me, so I was not too worried.

I always assumed this sort of accident would be very bad, and it certainly could have been much worse in different conditions. But, I feel as if I fared pretty well all things considered. In retrospect, there was nothing I could have done better or worse. I did not have time to maneuver, so I cannot fault myself for failing to brake or turning, etc. It was a narrow road, and he was taking up all of my lane, and much of the left lane. There was nowhere to go. If I have any advice for riders, it is this:

Wear a full face helmet
Wear a good armored jacket, and gloves

Hacksaw
04-23-2010, 03:59 PM
Glad your are in this good of shape!! :) and thanks for typing this all up! Must of took quite some time!

What kind of bike was it? I know repeat questions.. :D Glad you are posting.

circusinthesky
04-23-2010, 04:02 PM
Triumph Scrambler (2007).

Thanks. Yep, this took a while, mostly left handed, but with the occasional right middle finger tapping. I am an IT guy, so I need to get up to speed soon!

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200705/2007-triumph-scrambler-9_460x0w.jpg

ReddRanger
04-23-2010, 04:07 PM
I can relate to your type of accident having been in a similar one myself way back in high school (hit the back of a car in my case). The difference with me was that I was young/stupid/at fault, and I walked away immediately from the accident....though with one injured leg from hitting the car. You definitely have it much worse than I did.

The cops on scene took a look at my bike, the car, and were surprised I wasn't leaving on a stretcher. I certainly attribute a good part of that to my full face helmet.

Glad you came out relatively ok, and not worse.

tripp2k
04-23-2010, 04:08 PM
I'm glad you're alive. Not much more I can say after reading this.

circusinthesky
04-23-2010, 04:12 PM
The difference with me was that I was young/stupid/at fault, and I walked away immediately from the accident....

I never said I wasn't stupid.

It IS amazing the things we walk away from when we were younger. I should be dead 10 times over. Sounds like you've had your fair share of cats lives too.

mlavin00
04-23-2010, 04:27 PM
Glad you are ok! Helmet, Jacket, and Gloves are always a must.

Hacksaw
04-23-2010, 05:02 PM
Triumph Scrambler (2007).

Thanks. Yep, this took a while, mostly left handed, but with the occasional right middle finger tapping. I am an IT guy, so I need to get up to speed soon!



Was a nice ride. :(

man.. I've only hit one car so far and I got lucky and just clipped it on the right rear side. left turn person. i am rather amazed at the detail you remember for such a hard hit!

one IT guy to another, hey might be fun to try voice recognition :D

dave-o
04-23-2010, 05:34 PM
glad your ok! I had the same thing happen to me. Only when she saw me she stopped! Right in front of me! I ended up on the trunk and didn't get a scratch. The cops arrested her. I had severe riding anxiety for the next few years, I still ride, wear a full face helmet, gloves, boots and a armored leather jacket as well as read tons on defensive riding.

Glowing Tubes
04-23-2010, 05:40 PM
Get well soon, sorry that happened to you. You're right, as a fellow rider I hate hearing stories like that, I'm careful but it's not me I worry as much about, it's the idiot in the jeep turning in front of me...

Quick recovery for you.

RC

t3oi
04-23-2010, 06:00 PM
Glad you're OK. I don't get it how people are so blind to what else may be on the road with them. Did the Jeep driver ever admit to not seeing you?

Route234
04-23-2010, 06:01 PM
What happened to the dickhead driving the Jeep?

Structo
04-23-2010, 06:18 PM
Glad it wasn't worse.

I had a guy pull in turn in front of me, wet rainy, at night, I was the only thing coming down the road with my headlight on bright.
He turned in front of me from the right, I had half a second before I hit him.
I was in the process of laying the bike on it's side when I hit his rear bumper.
I bounced back and to the right into the curb which struck my tail bone and low back.
I couldn't feel my legs for about 10 minutes. Thoughts of being in a wheel chair the rest of my life.
The guy stopped looked back then took off.
A deputy came by about 20 minutes later and helped me pick the bike up.

I had ridden for 10 years. My only wheels.

I sold that bike a week later and haven't ridden the streets since.
People just simply do not see you. They are not looking for a motorcycle so they don't see one.

Are you going to get another bike and ride again?

5E3
04-23-2010, 06:21 PM
Glad you're OK. I've had a car make a left in front of me while on a motorcycle. I locked the brakes, the bike swerved then made a high side and threw me off. I missed the car, my bike put a black mark on its bumper. I got away with some broken fairing bits on the bike, some bruises and scratches, a hole scrubbed in my First Gear leathers, and scrapes on my full face helmet. I was lucky I guess.

DC1
04-23-2010, 06:59 PM
And, as you discovered, you hurt a lot worse 2 days later than when you walk out of ER...

I got hammered by a red-light runner in October. About 45 mph into the right headlight of my Honda van. Nothing broken, but I had the crap kicked out of me by the car as it spun around. I could almost walk out of the hospital 3 hours later, and we got home OK, but I felt like a death about 2 days later, and it took a while to come back to anything like normal.

It was last Thanksgiving, and I still have a big lump in my right chest from the seat belt injury. (seat belts can really mess you up...) My legs are still kind of numb, but I am mostly back.

You could have been much worse than you were. I have a 20K knee from a bike wreck. The doctors call them "donorcycles" because they get so many parts for transplants from bike wrecks...

No more bikes for me. Hell, even in a van, I got my ass kicked.

Glad you are still with us.

dc

circusinthesky
04-23-2010, 07:31 PM
Glad you're OK. I don't get it how people are so blind to what else may be on the road with them. Did the Jeep driver ever admit to not seeing you?

Thanks all! Appreciate the kind words.

The cop at the ER said the guy "pretty much" admitted to not seeing me. Not heard from Jeep guy but honestly, all I needed to hear was that his insurance company has accepted 100% of the fault. Maybe when it's all settled he'll call. If not, no big deal. I am not angry at him. Just won't do me any good.

circusinthesky
04-23-2010, 07:36 PM
The guy stopped looked back then took off.
A deputy came by about 20 minutes later and helped me pick the bike up.

Are you going to get another bike and ride again?

So they never got the guy that tagged you?

I may keep riding. I'll actively think about it. Logically, I know I should not. Maybe I should stop commuting. Lots of miles and more chances for accidents when you commute.

chrisle
04-23-2010, 07:36 PM
Best wishes for a very speedy recovery.

circusinthesky
04-23-2010, 07:58 PM
And, as you discovered, you hurt a lot worse 2 days later than when you walk out of ER...

It was last Thanksgiving, and I still have a big lump in my right chest from the seat belt injury. (seat belts can really mess you up...) My legs are still kind of numb, but I am mostly back.

Yeah, I am always surprised about the seat belt damage I hear about. Its too bad you still have some lingering effects. Still, its hard not to feel safe in automobiles.

DC1
04-23-2010, 08:03 PM
Yeah, I am always surprised about the seat belt damage I hear about. Its too bad you still have some lingering effects. Still, its hard not to feel safe in automobiles.

Yes, nothing like getting hit on a bike.

Man, that seatbelt did a number on my chest though.. Black, blue, purple and green from left to right, armpit to waist, and a lump the size of a large orange where the belt crossed. Imagine having a huge right breast, except it's all hematoma...

I'll spare everyone the pics.


dc

circusinthesky
04-23-2010, 08:11 PM
My friend had the same thing from a car accident. He said I got it worse than him, but to read your description, I am not so sure

twinrider1
04-23-2010, 08:36 PM
Yep, physics always wins.
Once upon a time I wanted to be a photojournalist. Walking down High St, a bus stops, and the motorcycle behind him pulled out into the left lane to go around. Right at that moment a Mustang coming the other way turned left right in front of the bike. Bam, his hits her right fender and goes flying over her hood and lands a good 10 feet beyond. Conscious but with a jacked up arm bent in an unnatural position. The girl is in her car faaaareaking out.
Had my camera bag with me, everything I needed. I know I couldn't have been a help. I'm no doctor and someone had already called for help. But it just didn't feel right to take pictures.

Glad you had the smarts to wear full gear. Glad you're recovering. Hope you feel like riding again. Heck, you've got the big wreck out of the way. Statistically, you are good to go! :-)

They're working on airbag systems for bikes. Although I'm not sure if I want to plant my face in this one..... :-)
http://www.autoevolution.com/images/news/gallery/medium/honda-gold-wing-motorcycle-airbag-system-explained-medium_2.jpg
...fat bottom girls make the rockin' world go 'round....

svenhoek
04-23-2010, 08:44 PM
Dreadful story, good to hear ya made it out ok. After I got knocked down it spooked me for a while, but it made a better rider out of me in the long run. Now I pretty much assume everyone is out to run into me, so if there's another car in sight, I go slow. Though splitting lanes is always a crap shoot.

My time in Los Angeles was crazy compared to what I was used to, but it all pales in comparison to the crazy riding that goes on out here...

T.Wesley
04-23-2010, 08:44 PM
Glad you're (mostly) OK. Been there, though lots worse off than you!

My greatest disappointment at the scene of my collision was that I did not pass out. I really, REALLY wish I had passed out. The pain was ... incredible. Now, the upside of having stayed awake through that massive amount (and duration) of pain is that NOW, my tolerance for pain is really up there - takes a lot to get past what I remember.

Sounds like the guy's insurance company has covered your bike - make sure they cover ALL your medical bills as well, including physical therapy & rehab. Don't hesitate to sue them if you need to. They will try to get off paying as little as possible, but don't fool yourself - you're not 100% the day the cast comes off, and all things considered, you may never be 100% again.

Best of luck.

--chiba

circusinthesky
04-23-2010, 09:47 PM
make sure they cover ALL your medical bills as well, including physical therapy & rehab. Don't hesitate to sue them if you need to. They will try to get off paying as little as possible,

Thanks again, all.

Yes indeed. I'll wait till I am all recovered to sign off on the insurance settlement. I am operating under the impression that I'll need to scrutinize everything, so I am going to ask around a bit to see what I should expect. I may look into having a lawyer check over the settlement before I sign.

LHanson
04-23-2010, 10:54 PM
Every bikers nightmare.

maccampbells
04-24-2010, 06:46 AM
Post like this make me forget about the regret I have when I sold my bikes when My kids were very young.

Glad you are well.

JES1680
04-24-2010, 06:52 AM
Glad to hear you're recovering and it wasn't worse. I've been riding on the street for 23 years. But lately it's not as fun. I'm becoming too aware of all the idiots out there. Not a ride goes by that if I weren't paying attention would have led to an accident. I've always ridden like everyone was out to kill me but I used to be able to spot the trouble fairly easily now it seems I can't tell the difference between an inocuous driver and a threat. Sounds strange but you develop a sixth sense and I feel I've lost that. I'm thinkng it may be time for me to finaly hang up the two wheels. Speedy recovery to you.

5E3
04-24-2010, 07:09 AM
I've always ridden like everyone was out to kill me ...
Same here. The last few years I rode, (I'm currently without a motorcycle) I imagined I were invisible. I assumed no other vehicles even knew I was there. This attitude saved my bacon more than once.

I also quit riding in the city, absolutely never commuted by MC. I would take the route of least traffic straight out to the mountains for weekend rides, or stick to 2-lane back roads on my cross country rides (mostly the southwest US).

Everybody be safe out there!

strtdv
04-24-2010, 07:31 AM
The doctors call them "donorcycles" because they get so many parts for transplants from bike wrecks...


They do call them donorcycles, but they actually don't get many organs from bike wrecks, because to orgon donate you need brainstem death with the heart still working. That doesn't happen very often with a bike wreck.
Usually you get severe internal injuries, or instant death, so the organs are useless.
There was a guy who got decapitated here last year when a low loader turned in front of him.

I never ride without a full face helmet, armoured jacket and gloves, and armoured jeans and boots, if not full armour. I have yet to come off but have had several people pull out in front of me.


To the OP, glad you're OK, but next time ride something that stops better than a Triumph Scrambler :hide

strtdv
04-24-2010, 07:34 AM
Y


They're working on airbag systems for bikes. Although I'm not sure if I want to plant my face in this one..... :-)

Better still are the airbag systems that are built into your leathers, like Moto GP guys wear for practice runs. They also have a built in inflatable neck brace.

The technology is still young, but expect it to appear in everyday bike jackets within 5 years.

circusinthesky
04-24-2010, 10:13 AM
To the OP, glad you're OK, but next time ride something that stops better than a Triumph Scrambler :hide

Ha. In this case, the less than top of the line disk brakes were not a factor. When you have 1.5 seconds, and no where to go, a jeep hood will stop you more quickly than the best Brembo system.

DC1
04-24-2010, 10:25 AM
They do call them donorcycles, but they actually don't get many organs from bike wrecks, because to orgon donate you need brainstem death with the heart still working. That doesn't happen very often with a bike wreck.
Usually you get severe internal injuries, or instant death, so the organs are useless.
There was a guy who got decapitated here last year when a low loader turned in front of him.

It's pretty awful... The Doc who told me that had just put a brain back in a body after a bike wreck when he was working ER one night.

stratbred
04-24-2010, 01:19 PM
Wow. This is the type of story that is much too common, which keeps me off of a bike. I'm glad your ok, and the damage was not far worse.

strtdv
04-24-2010, 05:26 PM
Wow. This is the type of story that is much too common, which keeps me off of a bike. I'm glad your ok, and the damage was not far worse.

The worst part is that the driver says "sorry mate, didn't see you" and that's taken as a reasonable excuse. If it was a car he turned in front of he'd at least be convicted of driving without due care and attention, if not dangerous driving.

circusinthesky
04-26-2010, 02:08 PM
Doesn't LOOK totaled, but I guess the frame is bent. So, frame, fender, tank, forks, handbars, wheel rim, tire, front instruments.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_zEvaTbEFp48/S9Xx1mFlAPI/AAAAAAAAAjQ/IhnQrpjHirc/s800/image001.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_zEvaTbEFp48/S9Xx1xCnd3I/AAAAAAAAAjU/4YmaRFHZ3z0/s800/image002.jpg
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_zEvaTbEFp48/S9Xx2LcmZ9I/AAAAAAAAAjY/e3Ps03hGfCE/s800/image003.jpg

Ros
04-26-2010, 02:18 PM
So glad you're gonna be ok! From one biker to another, I hope you recover fast and are back out on the road enjoying life!

-R.

circusinthesky
04-26-2010, 02:20 PM
So glad you're gonna be ok! From one biker to another, I hope you recover fast and are back out on the road enjoying life!

-R.

Thanks very much!

ReddRanger
04-26-2010, 02:34 PM
Doesn't LOOK totaled, but I guess the frame is bent. So, frame, fender, tank, forks, handbars, wheel rim, tire, front instruments.




That's almost exactly how mine looked. Yeah, the pictures don't do it justice. I'll have to try and find one of mine.

Same thing, my frame was bent, etc. We're lucky to walk away from these things.

In our local news the other day, a rider slammed into the back of a stopped car on a bridge. Dead at a 35, father of two young kids. Guy was just going to work. Sad.

Dr. Tweedbucket
04-26-2010, 04:32 PM
Wow this story jerked me around inside in several ways :cry: I've kind of been there but in different circumstances. First of all I'm glad it wasn't any worse and glad you will probably heal up and be ok eventually.

What I wonder is was the guy texting or what? How could he not see a motorcycle headlight just fifty feet or whatever away? I've been thinking about giving up riding and stories like this kind of supports my feelings. My biggest peeve is that texting and driving is still legal in most places :nono(not that it's what happened here, but it's a major safety concern for any motorcyclist).

Good luck, hang in there and you'll be ok before you know it.

circusinthesky
04-26-2010, 05:37 PM
What I wonder is was the guy texting or what? How could he not see a motorcycle headlight just fifty feet or whatever away?

Thanks.

Yeah, straight road. No distractions. No other cars in view. Its just RR tracks and warehouses. Nothing to catch the eye, really. I assume he was pulling into work for a late shift. He HAD to be busy with something else, but who knows. I guess I am not too pissed off because, really, its not like I haven't ALMOST made a few stupid moves in my time. Still, I don't text when I am driving. I cannot believe that people are basically content to read a book while operating a car.