How do you make your fuzz face (sun face) work with your deluxe reverb?

[nealyu]

Hey guys, for those getting awesome tones from your deluxe reverbs using a sunface, how do you do it? Amp settings? Fuzz settings? speaker replacements? Please tell... Thanks!
If possible,
:clips

-Neal

[wyatt]

If the amp isn't cranked high enough to overdrive and smooth out the fuzz, I use a OD pedal to smooth it out...been using the AnalogMan TS-9/808 since '96 or so.

[Pelagic]

Of course tone is subjective, but you could try running thru the 1st channel and/or lowering the both treble & bass to increase the relative mid level. If on 2nd channel turn off reverb, or run into a DLS on rock mode.

[analogmike]

speaker is very important, Celestions are nice

[nealyu]

speaker is very important, Celestions are nice

Thanks. played my sunface through a 66' bassman w/ g12t 75 speakers and didn't get good results. I'm hoping a DR w/ scumbacks will

[scr@tchy]

If the amp isn't cranked high enough to overdrive and smooth out the fuzz, I use a OD pedal to smooth it out...been using the AnalogMan TS-9/808 since '96 or so.

When I was putting together the current band I am in, I was trying fender amps and a fuzz face clone and it just wasn't working. Wyatt is correct, 6L6 or 6V6 tubed amps usually have more clean headroom than a el34 or el84 tubed amp, and the main fuzz face sounds people are going for require some overdrive at the amp to get it. THe el amps soak up the extra volume and compress it all together for some gloriousness and give you much more options in overall volume at the amp.

You could try the overdrive box approach or you could get an attenuator so you can crank the amp more. For me I like the amp to be just about to break up and then kill it a FF clone with the knobs dimed. Then when you back off the guitar's volume it relaxes both the pedal and the amp and you can get all the way clean sounds... depending on the FF clone.

[nealyu]

When I was putting together the current band I am in, I was trying fender amps and a fuzz face clone and it just wasn't working. Wyatt is correct, 6L6 or 6V6 tubed amps usually have more clean headroom than a el34 or el84 tubed amp, and the main fuzz face sounds people are going for require some overdrive at the amp to get it. THe el amps soak up the extra volume and compress it all together for some gloriousness and give you much more options in overall volume at the amp.

You could try the overdrive box approach or you could get an attenuator so you can crank the amp more. For me I like the amp to be just about to break up and then kill it a FF clone with the knobs dimed. Then when you back off the guitar's volume it relaxes both the pedal and the amp and you can get all the way clean sounds... depending on the FF clone.

Can a 6v6's breakup work as well as the breakup of el34 amps for a fuzz face?

[fusionbear]

I prefer BC108 Sunface's with Fender's. I prefer to use a a/b box and run the Sunface into the normal channel and set the reverb channel for clean tones only. The NKT sounds better in Marshall variants IMO...

[nealyu]

I prefer BC108 Sunface's with Fender's. I prefer to use a a/b box and run the Sunface into the normal channel and set the reverb channel for clean tones only. The NKT sounds better in Marshall variants IMO...

Care to elaborate? What's the difference in tone between a nkt and bc108 plugged into a blackface type fender?

[scr@tchy]

Can a 6v6's breakup work as well as the breakup of el34 amps for a fuzz face?

Not in my experience, but it was with only two different dual 6v6 amps running at around 22 watts each. With a 22 watt 6v6 amp and the FF clone dimed I had to turn the volume on the amp to under "1" on the dial. The amp was not breaking up and the fuzz sound was not good. IIf the amp was at break up volume we couldn't have been in the room with it. However, my current amp is a dual el34 50 watt JCM800 and with the same pedal I am able to turn the amp up to 3 (with the preamp at around 2 1/2) and it sounds glorious.

That said, it would probably sound good with the break up of the 6v6's once you have it up loud enough. I saw a clip on youtube where some guy had a twin cranked up with a FF and it sounded great. Also, Hendrix used a Bassman on the Voodoo Chile recordings, at least that is what I have read.

I have a Marshall 30 watt dual 6l6 amp and with it I have to use some preamp distortion to sort of cushion the FF's volume boost. That is also what I do if I am in a situation where I have to use a sold state amp, I put it on the distortion channel and run it so it is just barely breaking up, then the preamp section is handling the compression and I can at least get in the ballpark. This is why that other fellow was saying put an overdrive after it, to mimic the break up of a cranked amp and the soak up the FF's assault.

Of course some of this is taste, and then there has to be some 6l6/6v6 single volume amps out there that would do the trick. Black face perhaps, or tweed styled? Out of my experience but worth a try.

[wingwalker]

This subject has been talked abotu a good bit and there is a lot of good info out there.

It has been my experience that speaker swaps are the biggest single thing you can do to make a fuzz with with an amp...

A Deluxe Reverb with a Greenback or a G12H30 is very fuzz friendly!

[Steven]

Run the FF into a Honeybee or a DSL in rock-mode.

[nealyu]

any other suggestions?

[bratch]

I think these suggestions are about as good as you can get. I run a g12h30 in my old Ampeg (similarish to a DR) and 4 eminence ragin' cajuns in my BF Fender Concert. I don't have a Sun Face, but I have a several other fuzz pedals and they all sound great. Really, I prefer them through my amps now then when I had an AC30.

Speakers make a difference. A point I should mention is that I never run the bright switches up on my Concert (I play Teles or a Strat), because , of course, the FF-style pedals will be hissier and not as smooth. Run the fuzz through the normal channel (or clip the bright cap on the vibrato channel).