Relic question cars vs guitars

[mannish]

Would you buy a relic'd car maybe some bondo on it, dents & dings here and there. A small crack in the windshield - Mechanically new & sound

Would you buy one....?

I have trouble understanding why someone would prefer a new shiny car but would buy a beat up guitar

So you do more driving than playing guitar - Do you like cars more than guitars...

I don't care what you buy but I was just thinking about it..guitar geeks usually cherish guitars moreso than cars yet SOME desire s nice looking shiny car but a guitar that's been beat to crap...?

[Badfinger]

For crying out loud :bonk

If you don't like the relic thing, its ok, you don't need to understand otherwise. Its just a guitar.

[Dannc6]

the metaphor doesn't hold weight. Well played guitars have been played by almost all the greats - greatly publicizing them. Also, a well played/ relic'd guitar isn't less functional than a shiny new one- whereas a car would be broken down and ugly. The best thing about it all is that you don't have to buy a relic'd guitar.

[germs]

i don't buy relic'd cars or guitars. but i would buy a clean 2-3 owner 50/60/70's model if it were the right price.

but this is TGP. this is the place where if you announce the purchase of a new E class, you'll catch crap about how much better the CL is...

[mannish]

I was curious that's all. I find it interesting.

I guess I could just post pictures of my strings, picks, pedalboard, case, gigbag, stand...etc instead

For crying out loud :bonk

If you don't like the relic thing, its ok, you don't need to understand otherwise. Its just a guitar.

[mannish]

not a broken down car, cosmetically beat up -

the metaphor doesn't hold weight. Well played guitars have been played by almost all the greats - greatly publicizing them. Also, a well played/ relic'd guitar isn't less functional than a shiny new one- whereas a car would be broken down and ugly. The best thing about it all is that you don't have to buy a relic'd guitar.

[strumminsix]

Dude, I got jumped for this on another forum a year back. Here is what I learned:
It's all about the feel and debated weekly so do a search.

That's what you'll year in the next 50 posts before this is locked

[mannish]

It was just food for thought not a condemnation of people that do or don't like relic'd stuff - why would I care what you prefer, unless I was in the business. My wife likes some distressed furniture. I prefer well worn Levis but I don't buy then pre-worn out. Just wondered why a lot of us would buy a beat up something or another but not cars..?

[TresGatos]

Meticulously relic'd and I'd own it in an instant.

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e20120a6a620d0970c-800wi



OK, you can lock the thread now... :)

[Guitarman19853]

This is simple.

Cars look good shiny and clean. They don't look good all beat up and worn in (except maybe rat rods).

Some guitars look good with playing wear (finish worn off where your arm rests, fretboard wear). Whether it's natural or artificial, it looks good, unlike worn cars.

There are exceptions, anything with highly figured tops look way better clean IMO. I wouldn't buy a "relic" PRS for example. But Strats, Teles, Les Pauls (sometimes) look good with a few thousand miles on them :)

[outtahear]

Had someone in the Porsche community that contacted me in the '80s about the idea of building a reliced 550 Spyder clone: faked dents, bad paint, faded upholstery rust-the works.

This was after seeing an "'age enhanced" strat we threw together @ the old Angela shop
in '85.

[mannish]

Interesting. I am not a car person it gets me from A to B I don't care if it's new and shiny or not - I do care if it's dependable, has a cd player and AC
I also don't care if a guitar is new shiny, actually prefer it not be new & shiny. I am not sure if I had to chose between my car being beat up & dependable car or my guitar being beat & dependable which way I would chose....Probably the guitar since it would easier to do things like refinish the neck or what have you.


Had someone in the Porsche community that contacted me in the '80s about the idea of building a reliced 550 Spyder clone: faked dents, bad paint, faded upholstery rust-the works.

This was after seeing an "'age enhanced" strat we threw together @ the old Angela shop
in '85.

[Fred Buzz]

Meticulously relic'd and I'd own it in an instant.

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e20120a6a620d0970c-800wi



OK, you can lock the thread now... :)

They forgot to relic the inside, but it's suposed to be a wolf in sheep's clothes right? You stop at a traffic light, and you pull away faster than the Porsche next to you :aok

[27sauce]

That whole ratrod scene is similar to the relic'd guitars...

[Rhomco]

I was curious that's all. I find it interesting.

I guess I could just post pictures of my strings, picks, pedalboard, case, gigbag, stand...etc instead

Always build yourself a huge and impressive signature line to convince the universe how rich, talented and well endowed your junk is......thats trendy these days.

[hubberjub]

I only buy reliced food.

[jaydawg76]

Always build yourself a huge and impressive signature line to convince the universe how rich, talented and well endowed your junk is......thats trendy these days.

:rotflmao:rotflmao:rotflmao

@OP-Seriously? With 800+ post on TGP you haven't read enough relic threads yet to know how they go?

[buddastrat]

A good ole relic bash, yee haw! .. I saw a real cool old 70's Camaro yesterday, parked out front of my house. It had some nice feet on it, jacked up a little in the back, spoiler, and some rust around the edges. It looked bad ass, rust and all. Much better than if it was all chromed out and shiny.

[mannish]

seriously NO only a few. I don't read a lot of threads. I am seeing that folks may be defensive or touchy about the relic thing. From the comments the threads apparently go bad or get locked. I don't see the problem with the discussion except ya'll have apparently had a lot of them.

:rotflmao:rotflmao:rotflmao

@OP-Seriously? With 800+ post on TGP you haven't read enough relic threads yet to know how they go?

[OM Flyer]

Holy crap. It's a finish option. You know, like "black" or "sunburst."

[germs]

That whole ratrod scene is similar to the relic'd guitars...

uh, not quite?

rat rods are similar to partscasters. the point of a rat-rod is to MAKE some stuff work together that has no business actually working together on the same vehicle.

[CRAIG4FSU]

No,i don't understand the relic thing and would NEVER pay for it.I will,however,relic my own guitars over years of playing them.

[27sauce]

Well, its silmilar in that people pay a lot of money for something that is intentionally beat up and looks like shit.

[jaydawg76]

seriously NO only a few. I don't read a lot of threads. I am seeing that folks may be defensive or touchy about the relic thing. From the comments the threads apparently go bad or get locked. I don't see the problem with the discussion except ya'll have apparently had a lot of them.

OK, fair enough. Next time you're curious about something try the search button first. :aok

[outtahear]

Anyone want to post a pic of their Dark blue, unfaded, ironed jeans??

[CRAIG4FSU]

Anyone want to post a pic of their Dark blue, unfaded, ironed jeans??
How about reliced corduroys?Parachute pants?

[R13D]

Holy crap. It's a finish option. You know, like "black" or "sunburst."
Yep,simple as that.

[Badfinger]

No,i don't understand the relic thing and would NEVER pay for it.I will,however,relic my own guitars over years of playing them.

Now there's an original post.:jo

[CRAIG4FSU]

Now there's an original post.:jo
Is there a point to your face palming because i don't get that either?

[RichieD]

No,i don't understand the relic thing and would NEVER pay for it.I will,however,relic my own guitars over years of playing them.

:agree

Just IMHO, but buying a reliced guitar is like putting a real Fender logo on a partscaster. Even if you are not trying to misrepresent the true origin of the guitar, you are making it look like something it is not.

[stevieboy]

I'm fairly neutral about relics, not a big fan but not a hater either, don't care that much either way. So my perspective isn't a defensive one. But I think that anti relic statements always sound condescending and smartass. Even if that isn't the poster's intention, it's just the nature of it.

I could tell you why I might not like Telecasters (just an example, I love Telecasters) without insulting people who do, but it's very difficult to do that with relics.

[mannish]

I would buy a relic in a heartbeat if it worked for me - The fenders I have played were not that good and I HATE the finish being off the back of the neck. I am not anti relic just wondered about how some things some furniture, clothes, guitars can be appealing if distressed but other products have to be shiny & clean.

I am considering marketing relic'd IPHONES - nothing looks geekier than a shiny new Iphone - I would ding them up, make the keys look well used....That way the user will look like an experienced user and not an amateur that just bought it off the shelf. Do you think there is a market for those.....? It take the new off it and not have to worry about dinging it up...I suspect the iphone market is not the same as the guitar market though.



I'm fairly neutral about relics, not a big fan but not a hater either, don't care that much either way. So my perspective isn't a defensive one. But I think that anti relic statements always sound condescending and smartass. Even if that isn't the poster's intention, it's just the nature of it.

I could tell you why I might not like Telecasters (just an example, I love Telecasters) without insulting people who do, but it's very difficult to do that with relics.

[TresGatos]

http://www.celticoverall.com/forum/images/smilies/priest.gif

...and it was written by the powers that be that ye shall not scratcheth thine instrument, nor shall ye decieveth thine friends or thine own self with the use of anothers trademarked logo. The powers also sayeth that it is better to "not get it" and let it be known to all about, than to use the search button.

Next sermon at 8:00PM.

[tinman475]

I have reliced a few cars over the years.. Maybe not on purpose but it happens.. I ussually got rid of them at that point..

Same goes for women.. Once they look reliced it's time to look into another..


I kid I kid... ;)

[stevieboy]

I would buy a relic in a heartbeat if it worked for me - The fenders I have played were not that good and I HATE the finish being off the back of the neck. I am not anti relic just wondered about how some things some furniture, clothes, guitars can be appealing if distressed but other products have to be shiny & clean.



I wasn't referring specifcally to you, and I didn't assume you had bad intentions with this thread. Just making a general comment as to why I think relic threads go bad.

[TresGatos]

I am considering marketing relic'd IPHONES - I would ding them up, make the keys look well used....

Dude, ain't no keys on an iPhone... ;)

[mannish]

OK then scratch that, I'll go with plan B pre virus infected PCs :-)

Dude, ain't no keys on an iPhone... ;)

[Badfinger]

Is there a point to your face palming because i don't get that either?

Its just that it never fails, someone will pipe in this exact statement on these threads, like its the only cool way to relic a guitar. And maybe it is, but then who really cares.

[mannish]

I'd like to reiterate the search function that was mentioned to me in hopes that Jimmy Page fans will utilize it. :-)

[j2b4o]

Some put great value on the "image" of a guitar player and less value on actually playing. Same goes for surfing, racing cars and most "cool" things.

[derekd]

Two words...Rat Rod.

[pinhooker]

I wonder if violin players argue over this, considering nearly all of new production violins have the finish worn off the neck and off the back of the body.

[bluesjuke]

I don't care what you buy but ..........



I just want to question your choices?

.

[Guitarworks]

I like cars and guitars in showroom condition. If a used guitar has honest, broken-in playing wear because it's a great guitar, that's fine.

[jetydosa]

The search button needs more relicing!

[tinman475]

That whole ratrod scene is similar to the relic'd guitars...

Not really... the idea behind ratrods is not to take a new car and rat it out.. The idea is to take a bunch of old parts and make a rod out of it.. A naturally reliced partscaster is closer to the ratrod idea than anything else..

[rhinocaster]

If I like the color purple on a guitar, does that mean I must like a purple house?

If I like leather furniture does that mean I must like leather sheets on my bed?

Where do these questions come from?

[BarkingTree]

I like pickle relic on my hotdogs..I mean relish..
I relish a certain amount of relicing on a guitar to the level of
NOS or closet classic..The guitar takes on a used feel ..a little warmer
than something new which can have a plasticy new feel.
I dont go for the played on the road in all kinds of weather for 50 yrs
look unless its the genuine article. I think if you pay down big$ for something it should be in well cared for condition.
They should call it
WELL CARED FOR NUMBER ONE AX treatment.

Cars? there are drivers and there are Sunday drivers and then show queens.

[mannish]

Where did I question anyone's choice. I was trying for a discussion about relicing in regards to guitars and other products. If you would rather read threads that have people posting pictures of their picks for god sakes then read them and ignore these.

Pictures of picks you gotta be kidding me.



I just want to question your choices?

.

[TresGatos]

"I'm wondering why guitars with relic finishes have become so popular. I notice that with most of products like cars for example, you certainly wouldn't choose a less than flawless finish. Can someone enlighten me 'cuz I don't get it?"

vs.

"I have trouble understanding why someone would buy a guitar that's beat to crap."


Which one sounds like somebody is questioning the choice of others?

[Bob Longo]

If Dano relic'd the car I'd buy it.

[bluesjuke]

A Danocaster Telecruiser would be cool!

[bluesjuke]

Where did I question anyone's choice. I was trying for a discussion about relicing in regards to guitars and other products. If you would rather read threads that have people posting pictures of their picks for god sakes then read them and ignore these.

Pictures of picks you gotta be kidding me.



No, I pass those up but apparently you read them since you've seen the content.
A Relic thread, as you're around here longer will see, never really goes well here nor on other guitar forums.

It always consists of mocking those that like them ( whether the original poster intends that or not it's going to come to that from somewhere) and someone usually states that relic fans don't start threads on the oddity of "Shiny Guitars".

Those that like relics also like guitars in "clean" condition too.

There is no understanding.
You either like them or you don't. Personally I don't care much about cars or even football for that matter.

I was just pointing out how the statement as written would be interpreted in threads like this.

[Stike]

I don't have any interest in owning one but I understand it for a feel standpoint in having a pre broken in neck. What I don't get is recreating Fender **** ups of spraying something like a seafoam green over a botched 3 tone burst.

[mannish]

I just see the 'post your' thread titles - I keep waiting on the post a picture your string wrapper package next.

I do not understand why relic threads are bad.

With that said: It occurred to me last night. I actually have a fake relic'd guitar - My National Delphi had been relic'd prior to me buying it and I think that actually brought the price down some. People do think it's an old one. Ironically my 32 looks less aged than the 2002 fake relic - They did a really good job though.

No, I pass those up but apparently you read them since you've seen the content.
A Relic thread, as you're around here longer will see, never really goes well here nor on other guitar forums.

[bluesjuke]

There you go.

Just for the betterment of TGP and to maintain balance in the world I bought another nice shiney 335 today.

[walterw]

Would you buy a relic'd car maybe some bondo on it, dents & dings here and there. A small crack in the windshield - Mechanically new & sound

Would you buy one....?

I have trouble understanding why someone would prefer a new shiny car but would buy a beat up guitar

the analogy fails utterly.

cars are not investments, but consumables; they wear out and eventually get crushed into little cubes.

guitars on the other hand last forever if taken care of, even getting better as the years go by and the wood and pickups age. plus, the right ones are indeed investments that can go up in value over time.

therefore, a car that looks old and beat-up says "time for the scrap heap", while a guitar that looks old and beat-up says "classic", meaning "great tone, playability, and maybe even resale".

[Stike]

the analogy fails utterly.

cars are not investments, but consumables; they wear out and eventually get crushed into little cubes.

guitars on the other hand last forever if taken care of, even getting better as the years go by and the wood and pickups age. plus, the right ones are indeed investments that can go up in value over time.

therefore, a car that looks old and beat-up says "time for the scrap heap", while a guitar that looks old and beat-up says "classic", meaning "great tone, playability, and maybe even resale".

I think if I found an old beat up Tucker I doubt I'd have it crushed up in a little cube. There are plenty of cars that are investments. Just like cars vintage guitars sell for more the better condtition they are in.

[BarkingTree]

Yaah..Tell Jay Leno that his cars are consumables and hell
take you for a ride in a million dollar Bugatti. That originally cost
3000.

[K-Line]

Meticulously relic'd and I'd own it in an instant.

http://blogs.cars.com/.a/6a00d83451b3c669e20120a6a620d0970c-800wi



OK, you can lock the thread now... :)

Now that is cool! Like a closet classic or should I say a garage classic?

[BarkingTree]

That looks like 50 years of Sun full and salt free AZ with
some TLC and steroids under the hood! Love those dragway pipes.

[walterw]

I think if I found an old beat up Tucker I doubt I'd have it crushed up in a little cube. There are plenty of cars that are investments. Just like cars vintage guitars sell for more the better condtition they are in.
sure, there are just plain valuable old cars out there.

i'm not a car guy, but don't these cars increase in value after being restored, as in new paint, rebuilt, etc? because with guitars, that is definitely not the case. the most beat-up original finish and parts on a vintage guitar will make it worth more than the same piece with the most beautiful new paint job.

[guitarmook]

That whole ratrod scene is similar to the relic'd guitars...

Not quite... the car scene is actually a couple different camps. It started with 'traditional' hot rods, where the whole point was to get the old car on the road and enjoy driving it, and make the cosmetics (paint, and sometimes final bodywork) the last priority. But a rusty, bondo'ed car is not the goal, or the finished product. It may take a while to get 'finished', and it's driven while you're working on it, but there is a shiny paint job on the list.

That look has been borrowed, and used as an excuse to build things that are 'finished' when driving, and are usually a cobbled assemblage of miscellaneous parts, are chopped and/or lowered to absurdity, and include performance engines that far outstrip the capabilities of the supension and brakes. Personally, I don't believe these cars have much style, or functionality.

Relic guitars really are neither (one day going to be 'finished', OR a barely functional collection of miscellaneous parts)... They're complete guitars, fully (and in some cases exceptionally) functional, built of parts intended to work together.

Finally, on the (car) show circuit, there are a few people building and displaying patina'd (reliced) cars. They're generally built as promotional items, 'shop trucks', etc and haven't really caught-on as a 'finish option' as the guitars have.

My 31 Coupe, should be on-the-road next weekend, and 'painted' in a few years(?)...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/guitarmook/31FordLeft.jpg

[dougb415]

I have trouble understanding why someone would prefer a new shiny car but would buy a beat up guitar

Now there's an original question, and I am SO glad you brought it up. Here's a hint for you:

Buy what you like, don't worry about what others like.

:munch

[27sauce]

Finally, on the (car) show circuit, there are a few people building and displaying patina'd (reliced) cars. They're generally built as promotional items, 'shop trucks', etc and haven't really caught-on as a 'finish option' as the guitars have.


This is what I was talking about. I had this truck in mind, it was intentionally F'd up, it was in better shape when the shop got it.
http://www.automaniacs.com/OnlineCars/50ratrodpu/50ratrod.htm

[RRfireblade]

You can't compare anything in cars to guitars till Ford or Chevy start selling 'Relic'd" bs at a dealership. There are tons of examples of these niche groups in every realm of life. This is not what's happening here.

This is just one of those debates that will NEVER come to a conclusion. Especially since most people refuse to be truly honest.

The bottom line "IMO" is that there is only ONE reason to buy a relic guitar. To IMPLY,FAKE and/or intiate FRAUD that it is older than it is , worth more (by collectability) than it is and has a musical history far more interesting than it does. In the majority of those cases , the owner/buyer is hoping that this total fraudulent image 'implys' something about them to the unwary observer.

The arguements about playability , comfort , feel , etc are absolute nonsense in every sense of the word. A BRAND NEW finish that mearly appears worn has no effect on any of those things. Any of those attributes can exist independent of a fake dent or artificially accelerated rust. The idea that you are no longer afraid of future damage is another BS one. Buy a new guitar and play it like you mean it and guess what you get when your done. Only now that wear , dents , dings ,etc MEAN something to you.

Cool huh ?

:)

[bluesjuke]

That's a load of BS.
I like they way it looks and the way it feels period and that's my choice.

Because someone else has a different preference does not mean that the other party is wrong when it comes to
inanimate objects.

Projecting assumptions on and "All Seeing Eye" divine wisdom of intended aspirtions of others is blowing nothing more than smoke.

It's a personal preference, nothing more, nothing less.

[RRfireblade]

That's a load of BS.



Because someone else has a different preference does not mean that the other party is wrong



It's a personal preference, nothing more, nothing less.

Consistancy of thought , not one of your strong points? :)

. . . "IMO" . . .

Cool huh ? ;)

[SteveGaines]

I have played guitar for 40 years and I have NEVER seen/played but a HANDFUL ( Guitars 45 years old and OLDER) that are in the shape some of the relics are.And I have seen/played A BUNCH!..Rory Gallagher had the WORST looking Strat I had ever seen until some of the relic's came out...I have seen/played guitars with nicks, places where the finish has faded, and even cigarette burns on the headstock ( typical wear and tear after years in clubs)..But I swear some of these RELIC guitars look like "AN ELF WEARING BASEBALL CLEATS, SMOKING A CIGARETTE, RODE THE THING LIKE A SKATEBOARD WHILE IT WAS PULLED BEHIND A CAR GOING DOWN A GRAVEL ROAD AND HIT A FEW BIG MUD HOLES ON THE WAY.....Man, If I'm gonna pay THAT MUCH MONEY FOR A GUITAR..I"ll put my own battle scars on it....But again.."TO EACH HIS OWN"..

[rhinocaster]

You can't compare anything in cars to guitars till Ford or Chevy start selling 'Relic'd" bs at a dealership. There are tons of examples of these niche groups in every realm of life. This is not what's happening here.

This is just one of those debates that will NEVER come to a conclusion. Especially since most people refuse to be truly honest.

The bottom line "IMO" is that there is only ONE reason to buy a relic guitar. To IMPLY,FAKE and/or intiate FRAUD that it is older than it is , worth more (by collectability) than it is and has a musical history far more interesting than it does. In the majority of those cases , the owner/buyer is hoping that this total fraudulent image 'implys' something about them to the unwary observer.

The arguements about playability , comfort , feel , etc are absolute nonsense in every sense of the word. A BRAND NEW finish that mearly appears worn has no effect on any of those things. Any of those attributes can exist independent of a fake dent or artificially accelerated rust. The idea that you are no longer afraid of future damage is another BS one. Buy a new guitar and play it like you mean it and guess what you get when your done. Only now that wear , dents , dings ,etc MEAN something to you.

Cool huh ?

:)

And this is where EVERY relic thread ends up.

The most absurd thing is that you actually think you know something about the character of those that are attracted to relics.

How do you feel about people that play songs they didn't write?

How do you feel about people that write songs about things that didn't happen to them?

How do you feel about a band with a wall of amps but only 1 head is plugged in a run through the P.A.?

How do you feel about CW players that only wear those clothes on stage?

All these lies and frauds in music. How do you deal with it?

Or maybe you just save your venom for the 1 thing you're fixated on.

[jaydawg76]

You can't compare anything in cars to guitars till Ford or Chevy start selling 'Relic'd" bs at a dealership. There are tons of examples of these niche groups in every realm of life. This is not what's happening here.

This is just one of those debates that will NEVER come to a conclusion. Especially since most people refuse to be truly honest.

The bottom line "IMO" is that there is only ONE reason to buy a relic guitar. To IMPLY,FAKE and/or intiate FRAUD that it is older than it is , worth more (by collectability) than it is and has a musical history far more interesting than it does. In the majority of those cases , the owner/buyer is hoping that this total fraudulent image 'implys' something about them to the unwary observer.

The arguements about playability , comfort , feel , etc are absolute nonsense in every sense of the word. A BRAND NEW finish that mearly appears worn has no effect on any of those things. Any of those attributes can exist independent of a fake dent or artificially accelerated rust. The idea that you are no longer afraid of future damage is another BS one. Buy a new guitar and play it like you mean it and guess what you get when your done. Only now that wear , dents , dings ,etc MEAN something to you.

Cool huh ?

:)

So you outright call other players preferences "BS" but then want to hide behind "IMO". :huh:

[guitarmook]

This is what I was talking about. I had this truck in mind, it was intentionally F'd up, it was in better shape when the shop got it.
http://www.automaniacs.com/OnlineCars/50ratrodpu/50ratrod.htm

That's a shame that happened to a nice truck. Then again, people are buying squires and 'relicing' them, and putting them up for sale on ebay for 3 times what they're really worth. I wanna believe that the market will never pay that price for that truck.

As far as I can see (and I will admit to a narrow perspective) that "let's build a POS" thing is a passing fad in the car world. I see fewer and fewer 'rat rods' these days. Maybe it's because there are fewer of them around, maybe it's cause I don't go to those shows...

[RRfireblade]

And this is where EVERY relic thread ends up.

The most absurd thing is that you actually think you know something about the character of those that are attracted to relics.

How do you feel about people that play songs they didn't write?

How do you feel about people that write songs about things that didn't happen to them?

How do you feel about a band with a wall of amps but only 1 head is plugged in a run through the P.A.?

How do you feel about CW players that only wear those clothes on stage?

All these lies and frauds in music. How do you deal with it?

Or maybe you just save your venom for the 1 thing you're fixated on.

Wow. . . Touchy bunch . . . and you think I'M fixated. ;) Pretty invested and for all you know I may not even be a real person , just an empty SN on a forum. A bot , a guy in a shed living in the mountains.

Might wanna loosen up the grip a tad. :)

Either way , sure I have opinions on most things I would assume. It's not going to impact my life as much as it seems to some of you I'm quite sure but that's pretty much how a 'Forum' exists.

I don't claim to know anything about any body that's why it's called an opinion but I think I covered that already.

Funny how you didn't debate any of my 'assumptions' tho. Touch a nerve perhaps ?

:)

You guys are too easy. :boxer

[RRfireblade]

So you outright call other players preferences "BS" but then want to hide behind "IMO". :huh:

I called the most common stated reasons for a owning a relic BS in my opinion.

Whose opinion would it be ?

I state no opinion against anyones right to have and enjoy thier preference.

[bluesjuke]

Consistancy of thought , not one of your strong points? :)



Cool huh ? ;)


No inconsistancy there.
Sorry about your reading comprehension problem.

It is a personal preference and you are one that calls others "preferences" crap and phoney and presumptuous.
See you are condeming some for what they choose by assumption but you make your self clear so we don't have to guess.

[rhinocaster]

Wow. . . Touchy bunch . . . and you think I'M fixated. ;) Pretty invested and for all you know I may not even be a real person , just an empty SN on a forum. A bot , a guy in a shed living in the mountains.

Might wanna loosen up the grip a tad. :)

Either way , sure I have opinions on most things I would assume. It's not going to impact my life as much as it seems to some of you I'm quite sure but that's pretty much how a 'Forum' exists.

I don't claim to know anything about any body that's why it's called an opinion but I think I covered that already.

Funny how you didn't debate any of my 'assumptions' tho. Touch a nerve perhaps ?

:)

You guys are too easy. :boxer

Clearly, this is just another muddled post intended to provoke.

It's called trolling, and it's not allowed.

[RRfireblade]

How do you feel about people that play songs they didn't write?

Do they pretend they DID write them ? Who would you feel then ?

How do you feel about people that write songs about things that didn't happen to them?

Do they pretend they did ? Who would you feel then ?

How do you feel about a band with a wall of amps but only 1 head is plugged in a run through the P.A.?

Depends on how loud it was.

How do you feel about CW players that only wear those clothes on stage?

Not sure what CW means.

All these lies and frauds in music. How do you deal with it?

It's not easy but I struggle thru. ;) How about you ?

Or maybe you just save your venom for the 1 thing you're fixated on.

Still looking for the venom filled smiley . . .guess I'll just stick with the regular ones and let you continue to 'assume' what they really mean


:munch

[RRfireblade]

Clearly, this is just another muddled post intended to provoke.

It's called trolling, and it's not allowed.

How is it trolling ? I made a post and you responded with an attack not even targetting a single point.

[RRfireblade]

No inconsistancy there.
Sorry about your reading comprehension problem.

It is a personal preference and you are one that calls others "preferences" crap and phoney and presumptuous.
See you are condeming some for what they choose by assumption but you make your self clear so we don't have to guess.

I pointed out flaws in the most commonly stated reasons. I never said anything against anyone who said I just like a beat up guitar. Like what you want , never said you can't like stuff.

:)

[pcovers]

The basic of premise is a straw man question. It is like asking: Those people that take eggs and remove the contents and them draw on them and sell as art, I don't get it. I mean, it's an egg. Would someone that buys an egg with a painting on it also buy a piece of meat that had a happy face burned into it. I mean, they are both human consumables.

The initial premise infers a relationship of similar concepts. They aren't similar. A classic apples and dog food comparison if there were one.

That being said, some people like the looks and some people don't.

[rhinocaster]

How is it trolling ? I made a post and you responded with an attack not even targetting a single point.

"You guys are too easy".

That alone makes it clear that you're simply trying to provoke.

I'm sorry that you think my response was an attack. I don't see how it could be considered to be an attack in any way. Not overly friendly (there was nothing in your post that would warrant a friendly response), but not attacking.

It IS interesting that you think that the simple act of playing a relic is fraud because it implies something that isn't true, but you would need someone to actually CLAIM that they wrote a song that they didn't write (that would be a lie) before you would apply the same label.

You made many claims about relic owners and saying that it doesn't mean anything because it's only your "Opinion" makes no sense at all. Why would that mean you're not responsible for what you said?

[rhinocaster]

I pointed out flaws in the most commonly stated reasons. I never said anything against anyone who said I just like a beat up guitar.

:)

Are you serious? Did you even read your first post? At all?

On of the FIRST things you said is that people aren't being honest with the reason they're playing relics. You know, like when they say "I just like a beat up guitar."

[RRfireblade]

"You guys are too easy".

That alone makes it clear that you're simply trying to provoke.

I'm sorry that you think my response was an attack. I don't see how it could be considered to be an attack in any way. Not overly friendly (there was nothing in your post that would warrant a friendly response), but not attacking.

It IS interesting that you think that the simple act of playing a relic is fraud because it implies something that isn't true, but you would need someone to actually CLAIM that they wrote a song that they didn't write (that would be a lie) before you would apply the same label.

You made many claims about relic owners and saying that it doesn't mean anything because it's only your "Opinion" makes no sense at all. Why would that mean you're not responsible for what you said?


*I said pretend. Claim would be an obvious lie. Pretend is to play along knowing what you project may be inaccurate but you let it go anyway.

*I said attack because , for like the 4 or 5th time I made counter points to the claims some poeple make about relics as though those claims can't apply to any other guitar. Your post to me didn't not address one single one of those points. So yeah.

*I said it was my opinion that the 'Majority' of relic'ers (is that a word) . . . I didn't not say every single one.

Provoke ? Sure , what I'm I sending posts into outspace ? Would you find a post along the lines of " Blue is pretty" more worthy of a debate ? ;)

Lastly , I know this is blind communication but that's why we have smileys and I use them in almost every post I make. They look like this ---> :) in case they are not working on your end. They mean this is a light hearted talk. I have work demands trying to put me in the hospital , family members dying around me. Plenty of hard a serious to keep me busy. This is not one of those things and for some of you guys to get your panties in a bunch over a post from someone you don't even know is just plain silly. Yeah , I have opinions. I think that's been said to death. It's reason why people feel things about certain things. It's not hiding , it's how you describe your thoughts, If you have another way to do I'm all ears. But since nothing here can be proven facts , then that's all thats left.

Other than that . . . umm, yeah.

Wait for it. . . . . . .

:) KAPOW !

:cool:

[RRfireblade]

Are you serious? Did you even read your first post? At all?

On of the FIRST things you said is that people aren't being honest with the reason they're playing relics. You know, like when they say "I just like a beat up guitar."


I didn't say that at all.

I said 'most' people refuse to be 'completely' honest. But spin it if you like it better your way. :)

[RRfireblade]

I pointed out flaws in the most commonly stated reasons. I never said anything against anyone who said I just like a beat up guitar. Like what you want , never said you can't like stuff.

:)

I did say this tho.

[rhinocaster]

I did say this tho.

Ok. :)

[RRfireblade]

Ok. :)

Well then , see I'm not such a bad guy. . . probably. :huh

[rhinocaster]

Well then , see I'm not such a bad guy. . . probably. :huh

I don't think you're a bad guy. More than likely, if you came over to my place to play guitar, we'd have a great time.

[CRAIG4FSU]

Holy cow.You guys were right.These 2 have turned a relic thread into a personal volley.Jeeze.

[TresGatos]

I don't think you're a bad guy. More than likely, if you came over to my place to play guitar, we'd have a great time.

But don't let him try your relics or he might become a self-denying fraud pretending to be something he isn't....:eek:

.... and any riff he'd play would be prefaced with "I didn't write this, just to be clear"....