Tell Me About Dumble

[bopplayer]

Can someone who doesn't consider them self too hip please tell me what the big deal about Dumble is here?

[traviswalk]

There is a good size contingent that enjoy the tones these amps put out. There is an even smaller contingent that can meet the supply/demand dynamics and buy one. The rest of the crew enjoy the many great clones that are available.

I'm still pretty hip though.

UeS-Xb5u4-U

[Flyin' Brian]

I don't consider myself "too hip" but I just searched "dumble" and came up with 250 threads.

Check them out, you'll find your answer

[bjjp2]

They're rare.
They sound good.

[edwardsforest]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

[J.T. Guitar]

Enter troll picture here... :bonk

[frdagaa]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

LOVE IT! Hilarious.

A little harsh on Tag (who truly is a killer player... and really knows tone), but nicely captures the Gear Page ethos.

[TRS1]

Im wondering if people start these threads because they don't know how to search for the million other "tell me about Dumble" threads or just like to get flamed.:bonk

[guitarded_1]

Ah yes - perhaps the most cliche question that can possibly be asked here.

[quinnamps]

IBTL

[zephaniah zion]

Among other legendary amps and amp builders Dumble and his amps are among the best ever. The only reason folk fight about them and get into wars is immaturity. Grown men fighting over inanimate objects need a life!
Lets talk, share, educate and grow but the fights that happen over Dumble amps and the many copies is crazy. Oh well!:D

[Killcrop]

Ah yes - perhaps the most cliche question that can possibly be asked here.

So is John Mayer any good?

[trap]

please lock this thread now!!!! i beg you!!!:bow

[OliverGuitars]

That video above is hilarious!

"Tag knows tone, I value his opinion."
"I just refinaced my house to buy a Dumble, I hope I get it before my next gig at the local bar" "

On that note, I am going to bed!

[Richeray]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

Too funny!!!!! :D

[esoteric pete]

being a dumble owner will take you to new heights....like, for example, you could go get your mail with no shoes on, but while taking the bus to new york.

[jnug]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

:rotflmao WOW! sad but true

[335guy]

That video is too funny. Not because it's a little hard on Tag ( which it is ) but because it defines the neurosis some ( many ? ) of us have. "If I just can get this pedal, that amp, this guitar, those strings, brand X picks, then I'll sound like so and so, or obtain this elusive sound that I hear in my head".

[mspizziri]

He is fat and cocky

[Mark Barna]

LOVE IT! Hilarious.

A little harsh on Tag (who truly is a killer player... and really knows tone), but nicely captures the Gear Page ethos.

Ha, Ha! That video is too funny. Having the monotone voices and the animals speaking somehow ads to the humor of it. Ha, ha! Has Tag seen it?

Marshall are too buzzy? Ha, ha, ha!

[Swain]

I have never played a real one. I have heard them in person, being played by various players. And, I have played through some clones that were/are highly touted as close to the originals.
There's my Disclaimer.

Now, to try and give an actual answer, to what seems like an actual question:

I think that the responsiveness of the amp to each player's individual touch is a primary reason people like them.
Nicer amps all seem to have this textural and dynamically responsive quality to them.
Also, the voicing of these amps is of particular interest to many. How they sit within a band's mix, etc.

There are however different types of "Dumble Tone". So, there isn't just one definitive example, I don't think.
Players who are "known" and use them are Sonny Landreth, Robben Ford, Eric Johnson, SRV, David Lindley, Jackson Browne, Christopher Cross, Santana, and I'm sure, quite a few others.

I'm sure others here (who hopefully have first hand experience) will update/complete/correct this post.
But, I hope this helps some.

[Kaji13]

I don't like them. They sound like bricks.

[timowens316]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

That is too funny! Nothing personal against anyone here on TGP, but that is too funny, I can’t stop laughing. You too will be assimilated!

[Marc Roy]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

Absolutely priceless!:D

[tinkercity]

OMG that video was amazing... thanks for the great laugh...

[D.Cooper]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

:rotflmao

Every TGP member should watch this video! Awesomeness :D

[Marc Roy]

:rotflmao

Every TGP member should watch this video! Awesomeness :D

Every newcomer to TGP should watch the video. It should be a sticky at the top of the forum and mandatory reading when registering your account.

[redshark1105]

Every newcomer to TGP should watch the video. It should be a sticky at the top of the forum and mandatory reading when registering your account.


I agree!!!! :rotflmao

[Sean French]

In before the lock.;)

I'm sure the Tagster will find the video funny and an honor.:banana:banana:banana:banana:banana

[Bruce Bennett]

I don't like them. They sound like bricks.


Same here.. i did nearly 8 years worth of Vintage Guitar shows around the country, and with many of the most well known dealers in the country.. and ANY time a Dumble came to one of the shows.. I played it..
Sorry, but I was not impressed at all.

I was more impressed with the Supro Thunderbolt that I owned for about 2 days at the 1996 Spartanburg show.

[Analog Assassin]

Same here.. i did nearly 8 years worth of Vintage Guitar shows around the country, and with many of the most well known dealers in the country.. and ANY time a Dumble came to one of the shows.. I played it..
Sorry, but I was not impressed at all.

I was more impressed with the Supro Thunderbolt that I owned for about 2 days at the 1996 Spartanburg show.

I really don't dig the "Dumble" sound with fretted guitars, but when you hear a slide or a steel through one, I get the goosebumps. I think that's where they shine.

[fiftynine]

"you could do that gig with a Peavey Bandit, no one's going to notice"

I had tears in my eyes :bow

[Bruce Bennett]

I really don't dig the "Dumble" sound with fretted guitars, but when you hear a slide or a steel through one, I get the goosebumps. I think that's where they shine.


:rotflmao I AM a slide player and thats what i was Playing through the Dumble..I'm always on the lookout for a great Slide amp.

but the Sound I like is more of the big Fat single 15" speaker tone, even the Peavey Delta works somewhat for me.
and if the guitar doesn't have the sustain already in it.. then the amps sustain just seems artificle to me.

[Marc Roy]

"you could do that gig with a Peavey Bandit, no one's going to notice"

I had tears in my eyes :bow

I was crying at that point too. I completely lost it when he said he was going to re-mortgage his house to buy a Dumble.:D

[bettset]

he just knows what capacitors, resistors, & other componenets to use to make an amp great. he also knows the tricks to filter the electricity thru the circuits to make the amp tone up the way a player wanted. when he modded fenders, many times he left the original transformer in. old-old boogies before they were called boogies had fender transformers too. until fender saw alot of their transformers were going to an obscure area in northern california--then randy started making his own or got them somewhere. there is no typical dumble--they are made for specific guys. & i think he usually suggested using jbls or altecs way back. he gets an amp to just have this smooth tone that one has to hear to believe--see peter lerche on youtube with his ods. several of the boutique guys have been inside dumbles--de-gooped them & know the basics. some can clone--& can base designs off them for whatever a customer wants. as for slide tones--yeah--lindley is brilliant. now bludo has a model keltner ordered that gets there--see lance's vids with it. & the video on tag's dumble spell is great. supposedly someone is making an amp based on tag's old dumble he sold. that will need a whole 'nother internet to handle those comments--the gear page & internet as we know it would crash :munch

[yodude]

I blow much larger bubble with Bigo gum

[Analog Assassin]

"Tag knows tone and I value his opinion."

[Timmo]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/


Man, this is nothing short of AWESOME!

Heck, even Tag will enjoy this one.

Thanks for the 'laugh out loud'...........:rotflmao:aok

[nullin]

"Tag would know the difference."
:rotflmao

[David Vee]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

OMG! That video is too funny...

In the good old days, it used to be: buy a guitar, amp, and effects based on what sounds good to you... and then play.

Life was so simple before finding out no matter how good something sounds to you, somebody has written a review panning it... rips your favorite gear in a forum... or has a video to show why you should have bought the piece of gear that you passed up.

A boutique used to be a place where you brought the wife to shop. Boutique now means gear you spend hours researching on the web... and spend at least as much time planning out how to afford it.

Few of us will ever own a real Dumble... and I'm sure many of us wish we could. I don't own one... and probably never will.

If you get a chance to play one... by all means, go for it. If you can afford one... by all means go for it.

They say the touch sensitivity, tone, and overall feel makes it worth every penny. Perhaps... and perhaps not.

They say the clone builders have nailed it. Perhaps... and perhaps not.

They also say my Ethos TLE pedal sounds just like a Dumble. Perhaps... and perhaps not.

Your mileage may vary.

If you never get a Dumble... perfect your craft with the tools you've got. Mr. Clapton said it best: "it's in the way that you use it..."

Remember, here in TGP land, the grass is always greener... in the yard of the guy with the Dumble.

[shasha]

iVTj08qTwGw

It comes down to electric licorice or something. That's the simplest explanation.

And a lot of White Castle.

[michael.e]

VERY GOOD!!!
I just got kicked in the head with comedy!!!
That had me on the floor!!

VERY GOOD!!!


LOVE IT! Hilarious.

A little harsh on Tag (who truly is a killer player... and really knows tone), but nicely captures the Gear Page ethos.

[timowens316]

iVTj08qTwGw

It comes down to electric licorice or something. That's the simplest explanation.

And a lot of White Castle.

LOL, another good one.

[Kaji13]

Same here.. i did nearly 8 years worth of Vintage Guitar shows around the country, and with many of the most well known dealers in the country.. and ANY time a Dumble came to one of the shows.. I played it..
Sorry, but I was not impressed at all.

I was more impressed with the Supro Thunderbolt that I owned for about 2 days at the 1996 Spartanburg show.
Oh, those Supro amps have some sweet drive tones.

[steve108819]

So when is Tags suspension up anyway?

[kimock]

Same here.. i did nearly 8 years worth of Vintage Guitar shows around the country, and with many of the most well known dealers in the country.. and ANY time a Dumble came to one of the shows.. I played it..
Sorry, but I was not impressed at all.

I was more impressed with the Supro Thunderbolt that I owned for about 2 days at the 1996 Spartanburg show.

I did nearly 40 years worth of actual touring with guitars that became vintage during the process, and with many of the most well known dealers in the country too. . .:bong

[Hwoltage]

iVTj08qTwGw

It comes down to electric licorice or something. That's the simplest explanation.

And a lot of White Castle.

He gets a lot of crap for that comment, but I think it's one of the best EVER! Cracks me up every time I see it. And the other guy.. "Huh..." :rotflmao:rotflmao

[loiking]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

[Marc Roy]

"We just learned Mustang Sally. Can you imagine how awesome that song is gong to sound with my new Dumble amp?".

:D

Whoever made this video really went all out. They should really stick this thing at the top of the forum.

[Blix]

Dumbles are extremely well made amps, made in few numbers, and used by an pretty exclusive club of "elite" guitarists over the years, that's what legends are made of... :)

I have a few hours on a Dumble ODS and it was wonderful, but at the time I tried it, it would have little use to me, as I was mostly into hard-rock/metal back then.
Personally I don't like the Dumble tone Tag is chasing that much, they can do so much more.

A wonderful example is this:

h0NAofXeieM

[ripoffriffs]

To think you can search & quote any number of posts in here that repeat the same lines of BOTH CHARACTERS on that vid. It's as if the creator actually just cut and pasted the typings on to the dialogue software.....

:rotflmao

Every TGP member should watch this video! Awesomeness :D

[Marc Roy]

To think you can search & quote any number of posts in here that repeat the same lines of BOTH CHARACTERS on that vid. It's as if the creator actually just cut and pasted the typings on to the dialogue software.....

If he did, it obviously turned out pretty well.:D

[Swedtone]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/


The best i have seen and heard here for years...

[campfirehero]

He gets a lot of crap for that comment, but I think it's one of the best EVER! Cracks me up every time I see it. And the other guy.. "Huh..." :rotflmao:rotflmao


Seriously, is that really the guy that his amps are worshipped over? :bow

Wow.

[bettset]

that's HAD :munch

[Alex Law]

Seriously, is that really the guy that his amps are worshipped over? :bow

Wow.

Are they really worshipped, though? Most Dumble threads seem to contain a lot of "I don't really like the Dumble tone..." comments. I think many people consider them a curiosity and that's about it. And then there are a very small number of fanatics, and some fans of the very small number of musicians who play Dumble amps.

They're just ultra-unobtanium, with tones you may or may not dig.

[vicdeluca71]

"We just learned Mustang Sally. Can you imagine how awesome that song is gong to sound with my new Dumble amp?".

:D

Whoever made this video really went all out. They should really stick this thing at the top of the forum.

AHHH!! you beat me to it that's what I was going to post...Hilarious!!

[milk bone]

A tone you could get from any number of old fenders and a tube screamer.

I don't get Dumble at all......................

But if it's your thing, far be it from me to discourage you.

[huw]

I did nearly 40 years worth of actual touring with guitars that became vintage during the process, and with many of the most well known dealers in the country too. . .:bong

;)

rimshot!

[spakuloid]

Best video ever!

[VaughnC]

Can someone who doesn't consider them self too hip please tell me what the big deal about Dumble is here?
Unique tone, rare, expensive...makes for a perfect TGP banter ;).

[skhan007]

"He hates Marshall amps. He says they are too buzzy"

"That's crazy talk! Do you know how many great songs were recorded with Marshall amps?!?!"

So true!! It's one thing if you love Dumble, but why the need to bash Marshall?? Never understood that. If I had a Dumble, I'd sell it the same day and get a couple of pristine vintage plexi's and pocket the rest. No question.

[Steve73]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

:rotflmao

That is some funny stuff right there....

[Billion81]

A tone you could get from any number of old fenders and a tube screamer.

I don't get Dumble at all......................

But if it's your thing, far be it from me to discourage you.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[Jazzpilfer]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I think it is the other way around.

[OliverGuitars]

Here you guys go!

My movie I made about Tags Dumble!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE WATCH!!!!!!!
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6834479/

[Bluesbuff]

I don't understand why anyone here feels the need to bash anyone else about this topic. If you're bashing, have you spent any amount of time with these amps personally? How about giving us a real evaluation rather than disparaging comments directed at other posters. I have never had the opportunity to play a Dumble so can't express a personal hands on opinion. I've see Robben Ford up close with and without his and with the Dumble, I thought Robben's playing was more expressive and dynamic , maybe he just had an exceptional night who knows. Sonny's Landreth's sounded like it was alive and breathing, like the T rex in Jurassic Park, and on a different plane than the rest of us, some of the best guitar tones bar none I've ever heard. I have a Fuchs ODS, several vintage Fenders, Bogner Shiva, Budda SD30, have played but never owned Marshalls and have a cabinet full of classic and boutique pedals. While the Fuchs is "Dumble inspired" ,ie not a real Dumble, I can play it without pedals and easily find the tone I'm looking for at any moment with a little tweeking. I can't say that about any of the other amps. Just my $0.02.

[pold]

Another Dumble thread, bahahahha. Dumble is unique because it's got the tubes uspide down.

[jsm355]

http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6826799/

Thanks for the Laugh !
:rotflmao

[milk bone]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.



Pffft.........dumbles and their sound are of little interest so it's not worth arguing with you.

I've heard if the guy will actually build you one, they're not as insanely overpriced as the ones going second hand..........

Again, I don't give a $hit cuz its a tone I've already got.

[ripoffriffs]

Dude! That video in this thread is talking about you!

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[quinnamps]

Smile everyone...After all it's summer and school is out ;O)

[Bruce Bennett]

I did nearly 40 years worth of actual touring with guitars that became vintage during the process, and with many of the most well known dealers in the country too. . .:bong


And THAT means..... Nada

I wasright there with you during those same 40 years. maybe even longer.

Tone is subjective period.
if you like something then YOU like it..

if someone else doesn't like the sme tone as you.. then thats called creativity.

[Mondoslug]

I like when Robben Ford plays through one.
I like when Larry Carlton plays through one.
I also like when they use other amps.

[Bruce Bennett]

he just knows what capacitors, resistors, & other componenets to use to make an amp great. he also knows the tricks to filter the electricity thru the circuits to make the amp tone up the way a player wanted. when he modded fenders, many times he left the original transformer in. old-old boogies before they were called boogies had fender transformers too. until fender saw alot of their transformers were going to an obscure area in northern california--then randy started making his own or got them somewhere. there is no typical dumble--they are made for specific guys. & i think he usually suggested using jbls or altecs way back. he gets an amp to just have this smooth tone that one has to hear to believe--see peter lerche on youtube with his ods. several of the boutique guys have been inside dumbles--de-gooped them & know the basics. some can clone--& can base designs off them for whatever a customer wants. as for slide tones--yeah--lindley is brilliant. now bludo has a model keltner ordered that gets there--see lance's vids with it. & the video on tag's dumble spell is great. supposedly someone is making an amp based on tag's old dumble he sold. that will need a whole 'nother internet to handle those comments--the gear page & internet as we know it would crash :munch

Currently there are are TONS of guys out there that know how to build great tube amps. So,Why exactly do guys get so worked up about this one particular Amp brand?
35 years of Mystery Vibe and VooDoo, nothing more, nothing less.

My issue is ALWAYS gonna be simply this.
anyone that spends that kind of cash for ANYTHING, be it amp, guitar or car. would NEVER admit it sucked, no matter HOW bad it really was.

they NEED it to remain a high Status object, so they can make their money back on it. this is simple human nature folks and for every USed Dumble bought... there was someone that let it go.. ask yourself Why? Why would anyone let go the "Greatest Amp in the World" huh?

Now don't get me wrong, The Dumbles I've played sounded fine... great even....but, Not "fabulous" for me... but that's the whole point... Music is individual.... YOU must find the Gear combo that Suits YOU and YOU alone.

If a Dumble is the amp for you... then I'm totally happy for you, no matter what you spent on it..... If its not ( and only you would know) AND you are stupid enough to claim it is.. then your lying to yourself and thats the worst thing anyone can do. musically or otherwise.

NEVER lie to yourself, thats just beyond stupid.`

and in an effort to further explain my reasonsing, I will relate to you a true and verifiable story..

Fyrwyre, Who is a memeber of TGP and one of the owners of Ark Amps. Personaly told me that "The Shark" model amp they built was not one of his favorite models ..

Until he heard me playing Some AC/DC through it. He said that when i play that amp, it suddenly sounded "right" to him and even though He played it himself right afterward... He still said that When I played it the amp sounded more right to him.. Well, I LOVE that little amp... It Does sound right ...For me. and when Bill played it... it sounded fine.. but you could tell that it didn't fit his style comfortablely.. Now thats not a dis, or a comment about His playign ability, because truthfully He is a better player than Myself.
But it does illustrate how one guy can make an amp work FOR him and another guy Can't..

[quinnamps]

I like when Mondoslug plays through a Naylor!

[Bruce Bennett]

I like when Robben Ford plays through one.
I like when Larry Carlton plays through one.
I also like when they use other amps.


Then obviously its THEM you like... and not the amps.

[Bruce Bennett]

Oh, those Supro amps have some sweet drive tones.

ESPECIALLY with slide..

[bettset]

as for marshalls, van halen isn't too buzzy--is he? & all that because i said several instead of tons :hide2 . as for other players making guitars & amps sound better--fully agree. all of us can do this. my strat was very nice, but a friend of mine made it more crystal clear when he played. nobody else made it sound that way when they picked it up. of course he bought it from me. i had it because i was trying to make a strat work for me, but i just play lp's & tele's better. prs' too. my cousin bought a late 60's marshall back in 1988. he was trying to use a dod metal pedal to juice it. now this sounded buzzy. so i messed with the amp during a soundcheck, took the pedal out of his effects, played with the tone controls, & he comes around the corner wondering who was jamming sunshine of your love & white room. i was using my lp with early 80's duncans--those were good pickups. so he uses my lp that night, runs out monday to find some duncans for his guitar, & the amp never saw the dod again. we tried the amp with my 2x12 jbl cab,& he went & found these too. the marshall had that "marshally" click most like to hear when you dig into the strings. & it is a good tone when you turn up a supro or old gibson amp for slide tones :munch

[pjrhd28]

I guess I'll chime in

If guys like em and got the bucks, more power to them. It just seems to me that the Dumble deep,thick, typically delayed tone is the exact opposite of the snap and crunch and chime of a plexi, and I have just about no interest in the Dumble tone and lots of interest in the plexi tone. Different strokes for different folks, but I just have no interest in the Dumble (or clone) tones.

[Tag]

Can someone who doesn't consider them self too hip please tell me what the big deal about Dumble is here?

The tone. Here are two clips of my old Dumble. (The clone crusher.):D (Boss BR600 recorder, Boss DD2 and RV 2 in the Dumbles loop) The best sounding amp for overdrive I have ever owned. Very human vocal like sounds. Almost like there is a built in wah pedal you can control with your pick attack. SOO fine.

Tele with single coils:
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=8807436&q=hi&newref=1

PRS with Humbuckers:

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=8768872&q=hi&newref=1

VERY GOOD! :aok

[bettset]

& the gloves are off. the prs is my tatse with the old d, but how can you not like the tele too :munch

[Bruce Bennett]

The tone. Here are two clips of my old Dumble. (The clone crusher.):D (Boss BR600 recorder, Boss DD2 and RV 2 in the Dumbles loop) The best sounding amp for overdrive I have ever owned. Very human vocal like sounds. Almost like there is a built in wah pedal you can control with your pick attack. SOO fine.

Tele with single coils:
http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=8807436&q=hi&newref=1

PRS with Humbuckers:

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=8768872&q=hi&newref=1

VERY GOOD! :aok


Yep , that sounds like all the Dumbles I've heard...

they all had this annoying "poink" sound at the back end of the pick attack.. very aggravating. and nothing I did control wise could make it go away.

I enjoyed the music Tag. nice feel

and Please ya'll remember My moto is; To each his own.

[vicdeluca71]

Currently there are are TONS of guys out there that know how to build great tube amps. So,Why exactly do guys get so worked up about this one particular Amp brand?
35 years of Mystery Vibe and VooDoo, nothing more, nothing less.

My issue is ALWAYS gonna be simply this.
anyone that spends that kind of cash for ANYTHING, be it amp, guitar or car. would NEVER admit it sucked, no matter HOW bad it really was.

they NEED it to remain a high Status object, so they can make their money back on it. this is simple human nature folks and for every USed Dumble bought... there was someone that let it go.. ask yourself Why? Why would anyone let go the "Greatest Amp in the World" huh?

Now don't get me wrong, The Dumbles I've played sounded fine... great even....but, Not "fabulous" for me... but that's the whole point... Music is individual.... YOU must find the Gear combo that Suits YOU and YOU alone.

If a Dumble is the amp for you... then I'm totally happy for you, no matter what you spent on it..... If its not ( and only you would know) AND you are stupid enough to claim it is.. then your lying to yourself and thats the worst thing anyone can do. musically or otherwise.

NEVER lie to yourself, thats just beyond stupid.`

and in an effort to further explain my reasonsing, I will relate to you a true and verifiable story..

Fyrwyre, Who is a memeber of TGP and one of the owners of Ark Amps. Personaly told me that "The Shark" model amp they built was not one of his favorite models ..

Until he heard me playing Some AC/DC through it. He said that when i play that amp, it suddenly sounded "right" to him and even though He played it himself right afterward... He still said that When I played it the amp sounded more right to him.. Well, I LOVE that little amp... It Does sound right ...For me. and when Bill played it... it sounded fine.. but you could tell that it didn't fit his style comfortablely.. Now thats not a dis, or a comment about His playign ability, because truthfully He is a better player than Myself.
But it does illustrate how one guy can make an amp work FOR him and another guy Can't..


Good post

[Tag]

Yep , that sounds like all the Dumbles I've heard...

they all had this annoying "poink" sound at the back end of the pick attack.. very aggravating. and nothing I did control wise could make it go away.

I enjoyed the music Tag. nice feel

and Please ya'll remember My moto is; To each his own.

Thanks, and dont get me wrong. The Dumbles like any amp are not for everyone. They are just very unique, and if you love THAT tone, its still the only amp that really does it. :beer

[wishkahdaddy]

Great vid-brilliant really! We need a little humor on these bloodied up Dumble threads. I think the video captures quite a few of us who hang out here too much on The Gear Page and listen to lore...Chasing the Wizard...
With that said, If I had the $ I'd own a Dumble just to say I have one-heck I'd own two...I'd play the heck out of them in stereo on Mustang Sally at a dump bar and my buddy, who plays his crappy strat and Fender Deville, would still sound better than me as he's flat-out a better blues player than I.
For most of us, the first four letters of the Dumble name says it all...
Two Rock and Carol Ann for this working chump!

[Mondoslug]

Then obviously its THEM you like... and not the amps.

I do & I've also liked 'em alot when they're using those amps.

[Mondoslug]

plays through a Naylor!


Aaaahhh! I love you man.:beer

[garagebob]

Hi Tag (my new tone god)

I am not sure you are getting my messages, but please help me.

You have some videos that start with file name "dscn*.* etc.

they say Dumble Stage volume and Dumble Softer etc.

This amp sounds like EL34's rather than 6L6, or do I just have that wrong?

I am having an amp built and I am not rich and need to get it right the first time. Can you please let me know about this amp and soon please.

I am waiting on the builg until I hear from you.

Sure would appreciate that!

[Tag]

Hi Tag (my new tone god)

I am not sure you are getting my messages, but please help me.

You have some videos that start with file name "dscn*.* etc.

they say Dumble Stage volume and Dumble Softer etc.

This amp sounds like EL34's rather than 6L6, or do I just have that wrong?

I am having an amp built and I am not rich and need to get it right the first time. Can you please let me know about this amp and soon please.

I am waiting on the builg until I hear from you.

Sure would appreciate that!
Hey man,
Sorry, my phone has been out for days. Should be back up later today. You need to call Shad at Quinn amps who can make you a dead on clone of that amp. No one else can do it. He knows the amp inside and out. You want the best? Thats what you have to do. No other choice. :)

[M Hossa]

Old men play Dumble, and this some TGP guy who use to be faster in his 20's...I heard.

[Tag]

And remember! Tag knows tone!


Correct.

Dumble Dumble Dumble.


http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=8885811&q=hi&newref=1


Now lets hear you play. :D

[OliverGuitars]

One Mustang Sally D clip coming right up!
But first I have to finish "Proud Mary" Dumble style first!

[M Hossa]

Correct.

Dumble Dumble Dumble.


http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=8885811&q=hi&newref=1


Now lets hear you play. :D

Are you a dentist?

[bettset]

dum dum dum dum dum-duh-dumbley doobie..............:bonk

[Jazzpilfer]

Correct.

Dumble Dumble Dumble.


http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=8885811&q=hi&newref=1


Now lets hear you play. :D

Nice Bluzak, not too sure about the SICK rock title. :bonk:bonk

[j2b4o]

Correct.

Dumble Dumble Dumble.


http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=8885811&q=hi&newref=1


Now lets hear you play. :D

now that is some seriously BORING tone....
do you make the hold music for tech support??

[Bruce Bennett]

Hey man,
Sorry, my phone has been out for days. Should be back up later today. You need to call Shad at Quinn amps who can make you a dead on clone of that amp. No one else can do it. He knows the amp inside and out. You want the best? Thats what you have to do. No other choice. :)


Ah the secret is out now....Dumble is out and Quinn is in

[alguit]

Awwwww, the thread went about 7 pages without turning ugly-still, that had to end at SOME point, I suppose...

...countdown to moderator intervention...10...9...

[Deaj]

Hey man,
Sorry, my phone has been out for days. Should be back up later today. You need to call Shad at Quinn amps who can make you a dead on clone of that amp. No one else can do it. He knows the amp inside and out. You want the best? Thats what you have to do. No other choice. :)


So you've played the Quinn clone?

[sw686blue]

So you've played the Quinn clone?

Is that even necessary? :rotflmao

[justonwo]

Dumble is a kind of amp???

I always thought it was a word used on guitar forums to make a bunch of people angry all at once.

[OliverGuitars]

Howard must sit at home sweating perfusely while reading these threads hoping his amps actually are as good as we make them seem.

While I prefer my Port City Dual 50 (Bassman clone more or less) I can admit that Dumbles sound greatand cut through the mix better than most amps do.

But Howard, or Alexander if you will, must seriously be considering making new amps now. Why wouldnt he?

I know he is very reclusive and hard to deal with, but has anyone actually spoke or seen him lately? What does he do with his time? How does he make money now? I have heard crazy rumors, but what is the man really up to now?

[Tag]

Nice Bluzak, not too sure about the SICK rock title. :bonk:bonk

now that is some seriously BORING tone....
do you make the hold music for tech support??


Here is the backing Jaz and J2!

http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=9449072&q=hi

Waiting to hear your takes so I can hear your playing and tones.

:munch

[Structo]

Howard must sit at home sweating perfusely while reading these threads hoping his amps actually are as good as we make them seem.

While I prefer my Port City Dual 50 (Bassman clone more or less) I can admit that Dumbles sound greatand cut through the mix better than most amps do.

But Howard, or Alexander if you will, must seriously be considering making new amps now. Why wouldnt he?

I know he is very reclusive and hard to deal with, but has anyone actually spoke or seen him lately? What does he do with his time? How does he make money now? I have heard crazy rumors, but what is the man really up to now?
I heard he is into making black powder firearms.
I think he still mods Fender amps but not sure about new ODS amps.

[OliverGuitars]

I wonder if there is some black powder fire arms forum where gun cork sniffers talk about how their Dumble gun is better than any Dumble gun clone!

I am sure there is some member posting countless videos of himself shooting theses guns trying to proove his point.

[Deaj]

Is that even necessary? :rotflmao

Apparently not.

Based on the audio I have heard of other Quinn amps I've no doubt that Shad's build/clone will be a nice sounding amp. That said unless Tag has actually played the finished amp he's jumping the gun a bit here.


Hey man,
Sorry, my phone has been out for days. Should be back up later today. You need to call Shad at Quinn amps who can make you a dead on clone of that amp. No one else can do it. He knows the amp inside and out. You want the best? Thats what you have to do. No other choice. :)

That's pretty definitive language for an amp Tag most recently stated he was still awaiting delivery on, estimating completion at 4-6 weeks out. Unless I missed it (and who could - Tag has started a thread for every inbound or just-arrived ODS amp that he's purchased for quite some time now) that amp is still an unknown quantity. Maybe Tag knows time travel as well.

The above quote is PURE HYPE without first-hand experience with the amp in question. Making claims about what it can do for oneself beforehand is one thing. Selling it to another player so definitively without experience AND disclosure is tantamount to shilling.

[JPF]

Maybe Tag knows time travel as well.
Please please please do NOT get Tag started on time travel. Trust me on this.

[t0neg0d]

IBTL--Which is slightly different than ILBTs. I think.

[Bruce Bennett]

Originally Posted by Tag http://img.thegearpage.net/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=8755432#post8755432)
Hey man,
Sorry, my phone has been out for days. Should be back up later today. You need to call Shad at Quinn amps who can make you a dead on clone of that amp. No one else can do it. He knows the amp inside and out. You want the best? Thats what you have to do. No other choice. :)


OK, not that I have anything against Tag personally.. but this post is just really condesending to all amp builders...Great, good, bad or just budding.

i think i DO have other choices, and new ones are opening up every day.

Ever Play a Robert Hudson built Blues Pearl?
thats a darn tough amp to beat for one of the smoothest and most harmonic sounding Blackface tones out there.
and His "red headed Bitch" head was an orgasim in a box...

and I don't even like the guy! He owes me a lot of money... but even I can't fault his amp work. he showed me a great deal about how to get great tone out of a circuit.

[t0neg0d]

but why the need to bash Marshall??

HRM - Hot Rodded Marshall - Doesn't settle well with some /shrug

You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

The CLASSIC Dumble-ite response!! Thanks for the laugh!

[Analog Assassin]

"He hates Marshall amps. He says they are too buzzy"

"That's crazy talk! Do you know how many great songs were recorded with Marshall amps?!?!"

So true!! It's one thing if you love Dumble, but why the need to bash Marshall?? Never understood that. If I had a Dumble, I'd sell it the same day and get a couple of pristine vintage plexi's and pocket the rest. No question.

I've narrowed it down to your playing styles. If you're a dynamic player who plays with fire, piss and vinegar, like say, Gary Moore, then a Marshall is right for you.

If you prefer to play like a wuss, with a light touch, and favor delicate, jazzy lines instead of playing like a man, then grab a dumble or a clone of one.

[OliverGuitars]

I do like the sound of certain old Marshalls better than Dumble amps. But some Marshalls, even old ones, sound like poop.

It was those accidental variations in certain Marshall amps that make them shine.

[wishkahdaddy]

Now THAT'S funny! HA

There needs to be a music break in the middle that says, "Your call is important to us, please stay on the line and the next available representative will assist you shortly..."
now that is some seriously BORING tone....
do you make the hold music for tech support??

[OliverGuitars]

If only the playing was as good as the tone!:hide2

[Structo]

Why all the hate?

[Echoes]

I know he is very reclusive and hard to deal with, but has anyone actually spoke or seen him lately? What does he do with his time? How does he make money now? I have heard crazy rumors, but what is the man really up to now?


He works for Crate Amps in their solid state division.

[Analog Assassin]

I do like the sound of certain old Marshalls better than Dumble amps. But some Marshalls, even old ones, sound like poop.

It was those accidental variations in certain Marshall amps that make them shine.

If you go to the metroamp forum, they have pretty much dissected the variables in the standard marshall 50w and 100w amps.

I just built my own ceriatone clone, so I ordered some parts and will start tweaking but I've got a good idea of what I want to accomplish. The Marshall amp circuit is so simple and that's a big part of its great base tone. Uncluttered, good tone.

But like you said, "accidental variations" made a difference. EVH had a great one. But I think any GOOD Marshall can be tweaked to be a GREAT Marshall.

The problem I'm having with my 1987 clone is that it needs to loosen up a bit. I've got the higher filtering of the metalface era. So I'm changing out filter caps, get it as low as I can without ghost notes.
Tone stack slope resistors, those were different at different eras, some had a 250pf treble cap, others had a 500pf cap.
Some had a .68 cap on V2a, that gave an upper mid boost. Some had a 300uf cap there, that gave a full range boost, and some had no cap there at all.
Some had a 100k negative feedback resistor, that was gainier and looser. A 47k resistor is tighter and brighter.

But get that right "recipe" and you'll have an incredibly expressive and soulful amp.

Sorry, but the Dumble sound does nothing for me. Too filtered, too compressed, too neutered. I guess it's perfect for jazz or bluezak, but I still like to lean into it and wail.

[Analog Assassin]

now that is some seriously BORING tone....
do you make the hold music for tech support??

I got an idea for a product! It's called the Dumble-Izor. It takes any amp and makes it sound like a Dumble.
Basically, a blanket that you throw over your speakers.
Throw in a free truefire lesson on jazzy chromatic licks.

[quinnamps]

I don't hear the blanket in these:

http://soundcloud.com/nw-guitar/rock-wip

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=9187873

Mileage varies of course...

[Hulakatt]

If you go to the metroamp forum, they have pretty much dissected the variables in the standard marshall 50w and 100w amps.


Too true. I remember PG doing a shoot out with plexi's and the metropark stuff came scary close to the fine vintage piece they used as a benchmark.

When Fender sold to cbs in 65 the engineers quickly made changes to the amps, that Leo had long resisted, to make them more "stable". The result was the reputation of silverface's is far below that of the blackface's. I also remember reading how another famous, highly opinionated amp-maker liked to keep his amps near "the point of instability" because of the harmonics generated were more pleasing and the amps reacted better and faster to a players "touch".

I just feel like Dumble's are too stable for me. I prefer the touch of tweed/marshall/wreck.

[Jazzpilfer]

I don't hear the blanket in these:

http://soundcloud.com/nw-guitar/rock-wip

http://soundclick.com/share?songid=9187873

Mileage varies of course...

Is this the famous pump and dump Dumble clone?

[wishkahdaddy]

Am I losing my mind. I thought earlier today this thread was locked???

[SteveO]

Am I losing my mind. I thought earlier today this thread was locked???

It was, I'm sure quite a few posts were pruned out since then. One member suspended, one member banned... Par for the course for a Dumble thread. :facepalm

[t0neg0d]

IBT second L

[Jazzpilfer]

Tag got banned. THAT is pretty shocking.

[BluesHarp]

Did that really happen or is it just his sig? I tweaked mine a little about a yr ago, and while reading this thread I saw "banned" under his name as well..

[GearHeadFred]

As someone who has avoided the D* controversy up to now.. I will just add that all of the clips posted in this thread and many others all have a singing violin type tone.. I find it gorgeous but, not reflective of my playing style or the 'tone in my head'.

I remember reading an old interview with HAD where he said he could draw a Fender AB763 (blackface) circuit from scratch.. that he was so familiar with it that he knew it by heart.

Recording an electric guitar well is an art. It's more than just the player + guitar + amp. The speaker, cab, room, mics, mic placement, pre-amps, EQ, and signal processing are big factors. Much bigger, in my opinion, than a NOS tube or a minor change in resistor/capacitor value in a circuit.

[t0neg0d]

Recording an electric guitar well is an art. It's more than just the player + guitar + amp. The speaker, cab, room, mics, mic placement, pre-amps, EQ, and signal processing are big factors. Much bigger, in my opinion, than a NOS tube or a minor change in resistor/capacitor value in a circuit.

This is sooooo well stated. People chased EVH's sound for YEARS (still do) and a comparison of his live sound (plexi) to his recorded sound (plexi) were night and day.

[Scott Auld]

Tag got banned. THAT is pretty shocking.

Did that really happen or is it just his sig? I tweaked mine a little about a yr ago, and while reading this thread I saw "banned" under his name as well..

Please do not discuss and randomly speculate on this topic here. If you have questions, PM the admins.

[Jazzpilfer]

Please do not discuss and randomly speculate on this topic here. If you have questions, PM the admins.

Sorry, just saw the banned under his name. Was surprised. Carry on, nothing to see here.....

[quinnamps]

Is this the famous pump and dump Dumble clone?

No that would be every amp he's owned for the last 10 years.
perhaps rephrase that....he has not owned an amp for ten years...probably ever....10 months maybe....then it is gone.....then 6 months later he buys another one... Seriously...he's the model customer.... Who else buys that many amps over and over and over and over and over again?

No this was asking "do you hear a blanket?"

I mean yeah I have heard lifeless clips too but does THIS sound blanket like to you honestly?

If not maybe the only blankets around here are statements?

:D

One thing can be said about Tag.... he knows tone...... :D

but here is the catch too.....he knows HIS tone... tag is not being led by anyone else ears but his own...

There is a very real lesson there but school is out... :hide2

[Billion81]

Why all the hate?

Who knows- I got a little jumpy on someone and got spit on-

Glad to see you on this board Structo- I trust you are doing well?

and for the guy that said I was what the movie clip was about- here's a clip of me doing a quick demo of an E-Pro- If I do some Mustang Sally licks here I guess you are correct. I think his TGP name Rippoffriffs or some shit. All good- I don't mind taking a little heat.

I take that rig on call ups alot. If anyone wants to come see me play (not I, IV, V) PM me and I'll hollar when I am playing here in So Cal.

Clip here (http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=1077799&songID=9274291)

I'm no dumbleista- I simply thought the comment that any number of old Fenders and an OD pedal could grab that tone was off base. Am I that off base? Perhaps. Shit, I'm wrong more than I'm right.

Have at it, and by the way- I have Marshalls too!! Love 'em. though I do miss my JH100 I sold to Steve Snider. Ready to buy it back Steve if you need dump it BTW.

Teddy aka B81

[kimock]

And THAT means..... Nada

I wasright there with you during those same 40 years. maybe even longer.

Tone is subjective period.
if you like something then YOU like it..

if someone else doesn't like the sme tone as you.. then thats called creativity.

I was just riffin' on the general "that don't mean shit" theme.
It's a joke. . .

[Analog Assassin]

Too true. I remember PG doing a shoot out with plexi's and the metropark stuff came scary close to the fine vintage piece they used as a benchmark.



Yeah, the funny thing about Marshalls is that unlike Fenders, it's hard to nail down exactly what specs went with what years. It's not so cut and dry as saying AB763 or AA763 for Fender. The basic 1959 or 1987 model schematics can be used as benchmarks, but there seems to be some overlapping here and there. I think the Metroamp guys consider the "12 series" to be a pretty good benchmark in tone, those were the super leads with serial number 12XXX or thereabouts. Supposedly EVH's plexi was a 12 series. His power filtering was very low in the preamp section, I'm sure that's why it was so touch-sensitive and slid into distortion so easily.

I'm probably going to end up with a "hybrid" between the smoother plexi and the harder metalface, and use KT66 output tubes, which will confuse that poor amp even more.

[Bruce Bennett]

I was just riffin' on the general "that don't mean shit" theme.
It's a joke. . .


I was right with ya..
its just that I was born from a long line of preachers and so I'm a bit long winded... i gotta say something 5 ways Before "I" can understand it sometimes..

[kimock]

I was right with ya..
its just that I was born from a long line of preachers and so I'm a bit long winded... i gotta say something 5 ways Before "I" can understand it sometimes..

The whole thing is so silly I couldn't resist.
Anyway, beautiful stuff on your site/link there.
Totally smitten by the JBD 800 look.
Good f'n work!!!

[spakuloid]

If Tag and Chuck Norris had to fight over the last Dumble amp - who would win?

[jerrydyer]

Tag knows amps. I value tags opinion. :rotflmao:rotflmao:rotflmao