Mesa Electra Dyne is a complete...........

[pavlov]

MONSTER of an amp. Seriously, i have owned a few IIC+ amps in the past and other Mark III's, IV's, a Lonestar, a Stiletto. The ED is finally the Mesa for guys who used to hate Mesa. There's no fizzy preamp or muddy bass. Guys like me who love their Fortin or Cameron modded high gain Marshalls will dig this amp as long as you plug in your favorite OD pedal. The ED does have a decent amount of gain but it's really not what I'd call high gain, but plug in a BB Preamp and it really screams.

No knob twisting or annoying tweaking like on the Mark V to get it to sound good, jus plug in and go. The thing that really gets me is how big this 1x12 combo sounds, it's MASSIVE, and very very loud. There's really no need to hookup and external cab.

[macmax77]

i am letting mine go.
i know it is a beast, i will get another one in the future.

[ChorusCrackpot]

I love my MarkIV and is still my main amp, but otherwise the ElectraDyne is the best amp Mesa/Boogie have EVER made! Well at least next best to my MarkIV amp head.
I'd rate it over a IIC+.

In fact I almost bought an ElectraDyne, but then found a stock 1981 JCM800 50 watt amp. And coincidentally, I'm using it as if it's an ElectraDyne! Roll down the guitar's volume and get nice clean sounds with a little edge to them, run full up for light crunchy tones, or even very clean tones. Also great to blend for some extra growl where the lower gain really projects that BARK.

[SgtThump]

The ElectraDyne is one of my favorite amps. I've been using a 1x12" wide combo as my main live amp for over 6 monhts now. I've never had a single night where the tone didn't satisfy me. That's rare Actually, that may be a first!?!?!?

[Randy Van Sykes]

So you're digging it? It's a great amp!

I've only gigged 5 times on stage with it and it's been just awesome!
When you can get the master up to 10 or 11 O'clock, it becomes just effortless for soloing, has a really singing lead tone.
I played a gig this weekend where stage volume was and issue, so I had to have the amp's master volume down quite low, I actually had to use my in ears to hear it...it was that low.
I've used modelors in the past and I've never enjoyed playing with in-ears with a band, but I spent a bit of time dialing in the Electra Dyne and it was actually thoroughly enjoyable, even with in-ears...I love this amp!
I'm using a Sennheiser 906e mic draped over the speaker...when you find that right placement on the speaker, it's an excellent way to mic the Electra Dyne...and no mic stand. ;)

[Buddy Boy]

I heard one in a store and thought it was great on the mid gain setting.

[t.hendrix]

i am letting mine go.
i know it is a beast, i will get another one in the future.
sure u are.

[macmax77]

sure u are.

ahahhaha, sorry, it wasn't my fault.
Got jailed by work that week!

[t.hendrix]

so your a x jail bird.

[macmax77]

so your a x jail bird.

don't be mad at me please!

[Birdy]

Once you get a pedal to switch out the on-board reverb to each
channel *individually*, it's the best mainstream amp available..IMO.
Absolutely rocks :dude

[Kentano2000]

I am glad to see more and more people agreeing with MY personal opinion of the Electra Dyne. :D:JAM Seriously, I've owned many amps over 27 years and this may be my favorite!

[Waxhead]

I am glad to see more and more people agreeing with MY personal opinion of the Electra Dyne. :D:JAM Seriously, I've owned many amps over 27 years and this may be my favorite!

Have you tried a Mesa 5:50 too.
You'll find it has many of the same features but with 6L6 tubes :D

[Kentano2000]

Have you tried a Mesa 5:50 too.
You'll find it has many of the same features but with 6L6 tubes :D

The ED has 6L6's too, but is switchable to EL34s. I've tried the 5:50 but am not nearly as impressed with it.

[pavlov]

So you're digging it? It's a great amp!

I've only gigged 5 times on stage with it and it's been just awesome!
When you can get the master up to 10 or 11 O'clock, it becomes just effortless for soloing, has a really singing lead tone.
I played a gig this weekend where stage volume was and issue, so I had to have the amp's master volume down quite low, I actually had to use my in ears to hear it...it was that low.
I've used modelors in the past and I've never enjoyed playing with in-ears with a band, but I spent a bit of time dialing in the Electra Dyne and it was actually thoroughly enjoyable, even with in-ears...I love this amp!
I'm using a Sennheiser 906e mic draped over the speaker...when you find that right placement on the speaker, it's an excellent way to mic the Electra Dyne...and no mic stand. ;)


Oh yeah, it's a great amp. But 10 or 11 O'clock on the master shakes the walls of my house:rotflmao This amp is really loud but i should have a hotplate by tomorrow so I'll see how it works out. But it sounds pretty good at low volumes. This is the best 1x12 combo I've ever played, that's for sure. I did plug it into a 4x12 Marshall with Heritage H30's and it sounded really good. I owned the Axe-Fx and 11R before this but I'm done with that nonsense. I love no having to tweak anything and get a great ballsy tone.

I know your tastes in gain are different than mine and i wouldn't call the ED a high gain amp. But it's got BALLS.:D It sounds more muscular than other amps that have more gain than it. For me a BB Preamp gives it the shot in the arm for me.

Compared to my Fortin, just a different thing altogether. I'll drag the ED around though and see how the HOM guys like it.

[Randy Van Sykes]

Oh yeah, it's a great amp. But 10 or 11 O'clock on the master shakes the walls of my house:rotflmao This amp is really loud but i should have a hotplate by tomorrow so I'll see how it works out. But it sounds pretty good at low volumes. This is the best 1x12 combo I've ever played, that's for sure. I did plug it into a 4x12 Marshall with Heritage H30's and it sounded really good. I owned the Axe-Fx and 11R before this but I'm done with that nonsense. I love no having to tweak anything and get a great ballsy tone.

I know your tastes in gain are different than mine and i wouldn't call the ED a high gain amp. But it's got BALLS.:D It sounds more muscular than other amps that have more gain than it. For me a BB Preamp gives it the shot in the arm for me.

Compared to my Fortin, just a different thing altogether. I'll drag the ED around though and see how the HOM guys like it.I know...It's a very ballsy 1x12 combo...guys used to playing out with a 4x12 would be surprised at the sound coming from this combo. It's the voicing of the amp, and as well, part of it is the Mesa 90 speaker and the cab's design. I didn't know if I liked the 90 at first (because I'm used to the voicing of a Greenback or an H30) but now I really like this speaker for what it has to offer.

[walterw]

my only complaint is they didn't include the "solo" level boost switching from their other amps. on a basically one-channel master volume amp like the electro, it becomes a way more important option, as you could boost up the volume then turn down your guitar for your "clean" tones.

i know, the design goal was purity of tone and simplicity of operation, but that was one "bell and whistle" they should have kept.

you can still just put a clean boost pedal in the effects loop, but it would have been nice to not need that.

[SgtThump]

my only complaint is they didn't include the "solo" level boost switching from their other amps. on a basically one-channel master volume amp like the electro, it becomes a way more important option, as you could boost up the volume then turn down your guitar for your "clean" tones.

i know, the design goal was purity of tone and simplicity of operation, but that was one "bell and whistle" they should have kept.

you can still just put a clean boost pedal in the effects loop, but it would have been nice to not need that.

I'm not complaining, but I agree with ya. A second footswitchable master volume is a great feature and one that should be on every amp IMO. I do use an MXR 10-band EQ pedal in the loop for lead volume boosts, though, and it works perfectly.

[Andre357]

Guys - very interested in this amp, but haven't found one yet locally to try.

Two questions.

1 ) How does it take pedals ? How do you think a cot 50 and eternity would sound in front for certain sounds ?

2 ) How are single coils with it ? Think i could get a good variety of tones with a good Tele and Strat ? For a GB band type situation ?

Thanks in advance !

[macmax77]

Guys - very interested in this amp, but haven't found one yet locally to try.

Two questions.

1 ) How does it take pedals ? How do you think a cot 50 and eternity would sound in front for certain sounds ?

2 ) How are single coils with it ? Think i could get a good variety of tones with a good Tele and Strat ? For a GB band type situation ?

Thanks in advance !

First of all i think the Dyne is the amp that takes pedals better than anything out there. I have a Lonestar Classic which takes pedals like a champ and i must say the ED is better in that dept.
Also, Single coils just shine with it. It is beautiful with single coils.
There is a demo on YT that demonstrates the amp with single and humbuckers. It is a beautiful and faithful reproduction of what the amp is capable of.

I have played it with an open back and a c90 and a closed back with V'30's and a combination of V'30s and a H12G30 and i must say he amp has been a champ with everything i throw at it.

I use a Tim, a KOT, Landy MOD' etc, etc, etc, etc.....
And everything sounds way cool with it.

I am unloading mine on ebay because i have some gas but i know i will get another one soon before i move back (if i ever do) to the caribbean come December or January ( At least that is what i have on my plans)

If you are going to play with a band, get the ED, if you are going to stay home, the things sounds great at low volumes too! But it roars when you play with a band and have the chance to crank it up (which means 10 o clock cause a little bit after that means calling the cops even if you are touring and playing on a stadium! :D)

[kfinkel66]

I agree with the assessment that the ED does equally well with single coils as it does with humbuckers. I have a G&L S500 that I put lollars in and it sounds amazing! I love the clean channel with the volume turned up (not the master!), so there is a nice bite to the tone.

I also think the ED sounds great at low volume, but am wondering if it might be worth it to get a THD Hot Plate. Is it worth the $$$?

[jamme61]

10 watt option and solo boost would make the amp perfect IMHO For the price of this amp these options should have been included? even the less expensive Mesa 5:50, has the 10 watt option.

[Randy Van Sykes]

Switching the amp to half power works really well for very low volume playing at home.
I prefer it set to full power on gigs, even if it's at a lower stage volume.

[jerrydog]

PAVLOV -
Any updates on how the ED sounded with the hotplate?
for my needs (as a basement-while-the-kids-are-in-bed player), i am completely satisfied with the clean and lower gain sounds straight from the ED (with master set at below 8 o'clock)...
but wonder if a hotplate would help with the high gain stuff...

[SgtThump]

PAVLOV -
Any updates on how the ED sounded with the hotplate?
for my needs (as a basement-while-the-kids-are-in-bed player), i am completely satisfied with the clean and lower gain sounds straight from the ED (with master set at below 8 o'clock)...
but wonder if a hotplate would help with the high gain stuff...

I've thought about getting a HotPlate myself for the ED combo, but I've owned two of them in the past and just never found them very useful with master volume amps. I realize I'm in the minority on this, but I'd rather just turn the master down than to run it through a HotPlate.

But... The ED is a little more "muffled" at really low volume. It brightens up when you turn it up, but I think that's probably from the speaker being worked more than anything and I figured I wouldn't get that with a HotPlate anyway?

[pedalcr8z]

Sorry to be the dissenter here guys but there's no way on the planet that it even approaches the IIC+ IMHO. It's a different beast.

[ronmail65]

my only complaint is they didn't include the "solo" level boost switching from their other amps. on a basically one-channel master volume amp like the electro, it becomes a way more important option, as you could boost up the volume then turn down your guitar for your "clean" tones.

i know, the design goal was purity of tone and simplicity of operation, but that was one "bell and whistle" they should have kept.

you can still just put a clean boost pedal in the effects loop, but it would have been nice to not need that.

I couldn't agree more. As great as this amp sounds, the lack of a solo boost or second gain channel is a deal breaker for me.

[SgtThump]

I couldn't agree more. As great as this amp sounds, the lack of a solo boost or second gain channel is a deal breaker for me.

There are two gain channels/modes and the solo boost is EASILY overcome with an EQ pedal in the loop.

If an amp has an effects loop that works with pedals, I would never pass on it because it didn't have a second footswitchable master volume/lead volume boost.

Only a very small number of amps have that feature anyway.

[pavlov]

Sorry to be the dissenter here guys but there's no way on the planet that it even approaches the IIC+ IMHO. It's a different beast.



I've owned 2 IIC+ amps. They do what they do, but the IIC+ can't touch the ED for certain tones. If you're playing AC/DC, Guns & Roses, Black Sabbath, then the IIC+ gets smoked by the Electra Dyne. Yes, i said smoked. Now if you're playing Metallica or Dream Theater you'd be better off with the IIC+.

The IIC+ is more focused for solo work but it doesn't have this balls out thump that the ED has. The IIC+ has more gain and is great for lower volumes at home, but my God, turn up the ED and the thing just ROARS. Guys Like Tump and Randy used to dislike Mesa's and there they are playing the ED. That should tell you how different it is from most other Boogies.

[pavlov]

PAVLOV -
Any updates on how the ED sounded with the hotplate?
for my needs (as a basement-while-the-kids-are-in-bed player), i am completely satisfied with the clean and lower gain sounds straight from the ED (with master set at below 8 o'clock)...
but wonder if a hotplate would help with the high gain stuff...

Still playing with it, it works ok. I'm not 100% sure just yet that it's any better than being careful with the master. But it does give you the option of running the amp on load and taking the line, or the amps salve out to another poweramp and cab. But i do like the thought that the amp is really pushing hard and i get to lower it with the Hotplate. But no, it doesn't sound as good as when it's really loud.

Funny thing, i was playing earlier and had it LOUD with the master on 11 O'Clock. The hotplate was bouncing up and down on the combo like a Mexican Jumping Bean when i was playing palm muted stuff. :rotflmao

[walterw]

Funny thing, i was playing earlier and had it LOUD with the master on 11 O'Clock. The hotplate was bouncing up and down on the combo like a Mexican Jumping Bean when i was playing palm muted stuff. :rotflmao
it is like gettin' up on a big motorcycle, isn't it?

i'm a long-time old-marshall-playing boogie hater (ok, i have a mkIIB combo that's good for jam-band stuff hiding in my closet), but the Electra is totally an amp i could be happy with.

a friend of mine (also a long-time old-marshall-playing boogie hater) recently got one and just loves it, especially after swapping out the tubes for EL-34s.

[SgtThump]

I've owned 2 IIC+ amps. They do what they do, but the IIC+ can't touch the ED for certain tones. If you're playing AC/DC, Guns & Roses, Black Sabbath, then the IIC+ gets smoked by the Electra Dyne. Yes, i said smoked. Now if you're playing Metallica or Dream Theater you'd be better off with the IIC+.

The IIC+ is more focused for solo work but it doesn't have this balls out thump that the ED has. The IIC+ has more gain and is great for lower volumes at home, but my God, turn up the ED and the thing just ROARS. Guys Like Tump and Randy used to dislike Mesa's and there they are playing the ED. That should tell you how different it is from most other Boogies.

I'm really not being sensational when I say this is one of my favorite amps. It really honestly is... The simple fact that I've used it live for 6 months and haven't thought a single time about trading/selling it says everything. That pretty much NEVER happens to me.

And yeah, this mother f'er is freaking LOUD! It's hard to believe how loud it can get. Anything over 10:00 o'clock on the master and it's just BLASTING.

[ronmail65]

There are two gain channels/modes and the solo boost is EASILY overcome with an EQ pedal in the loop.

If an amp has an effects loop that works with pedals, I would never pass on it because it didn't have a second footswitchable master volume/lead volume boost.

Only a very small number of amps have that feature anyway.

I've gotten accustomed to the footswitchable solo boost as an amp feature. I've tried the EQ in the loop and various other external boosting mechanisms and I don't care for it as much. IMO, these external solutions rarely sound as good as when the amp has it built in. Yes I know I'm being stubborn on this point, but it works for me.

That said... tell me how the two gain channels / modes work on this amp? Are they all footswitchable? Do the channels have independent tone controls? Is the loop footswitchable? I've never seen or heard one of the amps in the flesh.

[Birdy]

That said... tell me how the two gain channels / modes work on this amp? Are they all footswitchable? Do the channels have independent tone controls? Is the loop footswitchable? I've never seen or heard one of the amps in the flesh.

Great amps :dude

A picture ( or video review ) is worth a 1000 words......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLpk6H5YX3A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksaV3m_rxns&feature=related

[SgtThump]

I've gotten accustomed to the footswitchable solo boost as an amp feature. I've tried the EQ in the loop and various other external boosting mechanisms and I don't care for it as much. IMO, these external solutions rarely sound as good as when the amp has it built in. Yes I know I'm being stubborn on this point, but it works for me.

That said... tell me how the two gain channels / modes work on this amp? Are they all footswitchable? Do the channels have independent tone controls? Is the loop footswitchable? I've never seen or heard one of the amps in the flesh.

I've been using amps with either second footswitchable master volumes or an EQ pedal in the loop for years. Like you, it's pretty much a requirement for me for playing live.

I either need an amp with the second footswitchable master volume OR an effects loop that works with pedals for that reason. But I'm finding that an EQ pedal in the loop is actually better, because I can also slightly tweak your lead tone to be different than my rhythm tone. I like to bump up the lows/low mids just a tiny bit for leads, since I like a thicker lead tone.

But I still get what you're saying. I think a second footswitchable master volume is a VERY useful feature and it should be on ALL amps! I've just accepted that it's only on a very limited number of amps, so I'm going the EQ route. My MXR 10-band EQ pedals works GREAT with the Electra Dyne.

There are three modes/channels that all share the same EQ and volume controls. That said, I never have to change an EQ control when changing modes. They really voiced everything right where you can set the EQ controls and leave them! It's amazing, really. Something about multiple values of the pots and changing modes also changes the values. Sounds like cutting edge stuff to me.

The loop isn't footswitchable. Keep in mind that they purposely didn't include TONS of features in this amp to make it different than alot of other Mesa amps. It still has switches and stuff on the back for various things, but not tons of knobs or footswitchable options.

[Randy Van Sykes]

I like a boost switch to hit at any time you want to be heard better above the band. I run a Nova System in the loop of the Electra Dyne for delay, reverb and chorus type effects. It also has an adjustable level 'boost' switch...it works great for bumping up solo levels a bit to be heard.

And I agree with Thump, when switching from clean to low gain to high gain modes, one EQ for all works perfectly. I love how uncomplicated this amp is.

I've been setting the EQ at:
preamp 3:00
treble 1:00
mid 11:00
bass 10:00 - 11:00 (depends on the stage's boominess)
presence 1:00
master 9:00 - 10:00

The only thing I've adjusted on the fly while playing is the bass control...some stages are boomy sounding, some are thinner sounding. But it's a non fuss amp...set it and forget it, sounds great...just play!

[Buckeyedog]

Man, you guys need to stop........I don't NEED another amp!!!

[Dave_C]

I agree. The ED sounds like it was farmed out to a designer who knows good tone! Doesn't sound like a Mesa at all!

[somedude]

I agree. The ED sounds like it was farmed out to a designer who knows good tone! Doesn't sound like a Mesa at all!

It was designed by one of Mesa's engineers, but it wasn't a Randy Smith design.

[Dave_C]

It was designed by one of Mesa's engineers, but it wasn't a Randy Smith design.

That explains it!!! Does that mean I have some decent ears or what? ;)

[Randy Van Sykes]

Man, you guys need to stop........I don't NEED another amp!!!
Just sharing our experiences..I think the ED will gain huge popularity as the years go by.
My band members actually have been telling me to turn up on stage since I've been using it, they love it...that's unheard of. :D

[Dave_C]

Just sharing our experiences..I think the ED will gain huge popularity as the years go by.
My band members actually have been telling me to turn up on stage since I've been using it, they love it...that's unheard of. :D

Reason enough to buy one! LOL.

[somedude]

Yeah... these threads have been giving me a major case of GAS.

I don't exactly want/need another amp.. but... you know.... it's kind of a disease or something.

[ronmail65]

I've been using amps with either second footswitchable master volumes or an EQ pedal in the loop for years. Like you, it's pretty much a requirement for me for playing live.

I either need an amp with the second footswitchable master volume OR an effects loop that works with pedals for that reason. But I'm finding that an EQ pedal in the loop is actually better, because I can also slightly tweak your lead tone to be different than my rhythm tone. I like to bump up the lows/low mids just a tiny bit for leads, since I like a thicker lead tone.

But I still get what you're saying. I think a second footswitchable master volume is a VERY useful feature and it should be on ALL amps! I've just accepted that it's only on a very limited number of amps, so I'm going the EQ route. My MXR 10-band EQ pedals works GREAT with the Electra Dyne.

There are three modes/channels that all share the same EQ and volume controls. That said, I never have to change an EQ control when changing modes. They really voiced everything right where you can set the EQ controls and leave them! It's amazing, really. Something about multiple values of the pots and changing modes also changes the values. Sounds like cutting edge stuff to me.

The loop isn't footswitchable. Keep in mind that they purposely didn't include TONS of features in this amp to make it different than alot of other Mesa amps. It still has switches and stuff on the back for various things, but not tons of knobs or footswitchable options.

SgtThump: Thanks very much for the info.

I was so curious that I called a local music store who happened to have one in stock (1x12 combo version). I played it tonight for about 20 minutes and I really dig it. It's simple, yet versatile. I totally see what you mean about how the tone settings work dynamically across the modes. I think the mode switching and an external EQ in the loop could work for me. It really is a great sounding classic rock amp! Articulate and musical with great sustain and harmonic response. A little reverb on this amp goes a long way. I'd really like to hear one of these with EL34s -- I understand there are some clips online somewhere.

It's a real head turner...

[SgtThump]

SgtThump: Thanks very much for the info.

I was so curious that I called a local music store who happened to have one in stock (1x12 combo version). I played it tonight for about 20 minutes and I really dig it. It's simple, yet versatile. I totally see what you mean about how the tone settings work dynamically across the modes. I think the mode switching and an external EQ in the loop could work for me. It really is a great sounding classic rock amp! Articulate and musical with great sustain and harmonic response. A little reverb on this amp goes a long way. I'd really like to hear one of these with EL34s -- I understand there are some clips online somewhere.

It's a real head turner...

Cool! I'm glad you got to check one out! I don't think this will be the amp for everyone (duh), but it's a killer amp for me. I ran the stock 6L6s in it for a good few months, then changed to Mesa labeled SED EL34s. The sound got even bigger, if you can believe that. The highs and lows seemed to extend a bit and the amp sounds killer. But I like it with the stock 6L6s too.

I do really dig this amp. I think it rocks and it works very well for me. I ahve a crapload of clips on YouTube, both live with the band and at home. Check them out if you get a chance. Search for SgtThump.

[Adel2]

How is this amp for jazz and fusion styles?

[ronmail65]

Cool! I'm glad you got to check one out! I don't think this will be the amp for everyone (duh), but it's a killer amp for me. I ran the stock 6L6s in it for a good few months, then changed to Mesa labeled SED EL34s. The sound got even bigger, if you can believe that. The highs and lows seemed to extend a bit and the amp sounds killer. But I like it with the stock 6L6s too.

I do really dig this amp. I think it rocks and it works very well for me. I ahve a crapload of clips on YouTube, both live with the band and at home. Check them out if you get a chance. Search for SgtThump.

I will definitely look up your YourTube clips.

By chance do you have, or are you aware of, an A/B'd type of clip with 6L6s vs EL34s? I prefer a more Marshall based tone (a little more aggressive / punchy, and a bit more gain). I'm wondering if the EL34s deliver these characteristics.

Thanks...

[Kentano2000]

It's nice seeing this thread has some legs. :D Glad to see some of you checking out the ED and liking what you hear. When you find something that works really well for you, you want to share it with others. I've been looking a long time for an amp that gives me a certain tone(s) with certain features, and for me the ED scratches that itch perfectly. Many others share the same sentiments. Come on in and enjoy; the water's great!

[Ultron]

Cool! I'm glad you got to check one out! I don't think this will be the amp for everyone (duh), but it's a killer amp for me. I ran the stock 6L6s in it for a good few months, then changed to Mesa labeled SED EL34s. The sound got even bigger, if you can believe that. The highs and lows seemed to extend a bit and the amp sounds killer. But I like it with the stock 6L6s too.

I do really dig this amp. I think it rocks and it works very well for me. I ahve a crapload of clips on YouTube, both live with the band and at home. Check them out if you get a chance. Search for SgtThump.


Thump...how does it stand up to a DSL? (Obviously not discussing build quality )

[ronmail65]

Not to hijack this thread, but I had started another thread comparing the Egnater Renegade 1x12 combo against the Mesa 5:25 Express. After reading this thread and trying the 5:25 and the ED last night; the 5:25 is definitely out for me (I really just don't care for the character of the gain). The ED was very impressive!! So it's ED vs Renegade. Generally speaking, both amps will meet my needs. And, overall, I think the ED sounds better and is probably built better.

Pros for the Renegade are: 1) Renegade is significantly less expensive and closer to what I wanted to spend, 2) I think the Renegade gets better low volume high gain sounds (it will be more of a practice amp anyway), and 3) the Renegade weighs about 20lbs less.

Tough decision... any thoughts?

[theroan]

I don't know man, you'll always know that the lighter amp you're holding sounds shittier.

[SgtThump]

Thump...how does it stand up to a DSL? (Obviously not discussing build quality )

I love the Marshall DSL amps (obviously!) and have nothing bad to say about them. But the Electra Dyne is thicker, smoother, and overall bigger sounding to me. More of a "vintage" type of thing, whereas the DSL is a little more modern.

That's just my opinion.

[Buckeyedog]

Dang Thumpster, your ED vids sound great man!!! That amp kills bro.

I've gotta try one of these bad boys out.

[Jan Folkson]

ED in the house! Just got it this afternoon and played for a few minutes.... with a big smile :)

Thanks Max.

[DGTCrazy]

Wow...............I've owned or played many Mesa amps (an affliction when you live in Petaluma...LOL), including a Mark's I - V, Dual Rec Tremoverb, TA-15, Mesa Express 5:50 and a LSS. I tried the Electordyne, but I couldn't coax any cleans that I thought were head and shoulders above my Lonestar Special. In fact, I think my LSS is a bit better there.

I was at the stage listening to a band, and the guitar player was using an Electrodyne.....and it sounded OK to me................but the real magic happened when he kicked on his Klon.

[macmax77]

ED in the house! Just got it this afternoon and played for a few minutes.... with a big smile :)

Thanks Max.

I told you, you are welcome!
Have a great weekend Sir!

[SgtThump]

Dang Thumpster, your ED vids sound great man!!! That amp kills bro.

I've gotta try one of these bad boys out.

Thanks man! That's no studio trickery or anything either. The amp sounds EXACTLY like those videos!

[pageburst]

I played through and ED and an LS at my local guitar shop. I think the LS sounds stiff and cold with 6l6s. The ED sounded great warm and alive just like my LS running EL34s.

A friend of mine has an ED and we compared. I marginally prefer the LS cleans as they are just a bit deeper with a touch more shimmer. The overdrive tones I'd give the nod to the ED as they were a bit tighter and smoother.

I've never understood some of the Mesa bashing on this board. It's like their are some boutique amp snobs who've probably played two notes through an overcranked triple rec and automatically assume all Mesa's suck

the electradyne Lonestar and LS Special are quality, made in America amps that I'd put next to any boutique amp.

[somedude]

I've never understood some of the Mesa bashing on this board. It's like their are some boutique amp snobs who've probably played two notes through an overcranked triple rec and automatically assume all Mesa's suck


The problem with Mesas (from a TGP point of view) is that they generally don't sound all that great in a bedroom.

[pavlov]

Wow...............I've owned or played many Mesa amps (an affliction when you live in Petaluma...LOL), including a Mark's I - V, Dual Rec Tremoverb, TA-15, Mesa Express 5:50 and a LSS. I tried the Electordyne, but I couldn't coax any cleans that I thought were head and shoulders above my Lonestar Special. In fact, I think my LSS is a bit better there.

I was at the stage listening to a band, and the guitar player was using an Electrodyne.....and it sounded OK to me................but the real magic happened when he kicked on his Klon.


The LSS has an independant channel for the clean and with the Ed there is a little compromise. If clean tones is your main focus then the LSS may be better for you. For rock playing it's no contest, the ED sounds a lot more chunky and ballsy for rock playing.

I'm working on some audio clips that I'll hopefully have ready soon. I prefer audio over posting YouTube videos.

[CharAznable]

The problem with Mesas (from a TGP point of view) is that they generally don't sound all that great in a bedroom.
:rotflmao

[zwieback-dude]

Does anybody know the weight of the 1x12" Electra Dyne combo?

[macmax77]

I don't know man, you'll always know that the lighter amp you're holding sounds shittier.

can't say that about my RP MDD

But yes, the ED is a Great amp.

[SgtThump]

Does anybody know the weight of the 1x12" Electra Dyne combo?

I'm sure it says it on the Mesa site. All I know is that it's SUPER heavy. It's a beast.

[MikeyG]

In all the clips floating around, the low end sounds really loose ...

In fact I haven't heard a single clip that entices me, sorry ....it really surprises me that a Fortin owner would dig this amp (I have a Fortin Cali that I can't get enough of)

[SgtThump]

In all the clips floating around, the low end sounds really loose ...

In fact I haven't heard a single clip that entices me, sorry ....it really surprises me that a Fortin owner would dig this amp (I have a Fortin Cali that I can't get enough of)

I wouldn't call the low end REALLY loose, but it's certainly not a tight metal machine. But that's the "vintage" part of the tone, I guess.

I haven't had a problem with the low end being too loose so far, even with my 335 (which is also "loose" in the lows.)

But yeah, it's not real tight either. I'm playing mostly hard rock, so it works well for that.

[MikeyG]

Does it have enough gain for things like GnR? That's about as much gain as I use (which is enough for the metal stuff I play as well).

I think the loose sound to the low end would be a deal breaker for me.

[ronmail65]

Does it have enough gain for things like GnR? That's about as much gain as I use (which is enough for the metal stuff I play as well).

I think the loose sound to the low end would be a deal breaker for me.

I'm on the fence with one of these myself.

I played one of these with 6L6s and thought it sounded great, but I still have concerns similar to yours (I'm a Marshall tone guy). I also talked to folks who own them and have tried EL34s. Based on what I hear from others, I would say that with EL34's you're likely to get a tighter grind, a little more gain / bark, and thus are more likely to achieve the GnR sound.

That said, if you really want that GnR sound - then I'd recommend you focus on Marshalls or Marshall-type amps with EL34s or KT88s. What's drawing you to the ED? For the same money you could get a brand new Splawn (QuickRod, ProMod, Street Rod, etc... pick your flavor) which, IMO, kicks the ED's a** when it comes to Marshall territory!

[macmax77]

I'm on the fence with one of these myself.

I played one of these with 6L6s and thought it sounded great, but I still have concerns similar to yours (I'm a Marshall tone guy). I also talked to folks who own them and have tried EL34s. Based on what I hear from others, I would say that with EL34's you're likely to get a tighter grind, a little more gain / bark, and thus are more likely to achieve the GnR sound.

That said, if you really want that GnR sound - then I'd recommend you focus on Marshalls or Marshall-type amps with EL34s or KT88s. What's drawing you to the ED? For the same money you could get a brand new Splawn (QuickRod, ProMod, Street Rod, etc... pick your flavor) which, IMO, kicks the ED's a** when it comes to Marshall territory!


GNR sound?
Lord take me out of here :D

[MikeyG]

Actually nothing is drawing me to the ED. I'm only chiming in because alot of people who have similar tastes in amps to mine are digging it, and I don't hear what I like to hear from it.... Thump mainly, he and I are always on the same page tonally, for the most part.

I have a Fortin Cali, a Landry, and a Friedman modded JCM800. So I've got that tone covered ....

Seems like, in the Mesa world, the Stiletto would be more up my alley... I owned a stage 1 that was really cool, but like most Mesa's, I always find things that bug me....

[Radagacuca]

That said, if you really want that GnR sound - then I'd recommend you focus on Marshalls or Marshall-type amps with EL34s or KT88s. What's drawing you to the ED? For the same money you could get a brand new Splawn (QuickRod, ProMod, Street Rod, etc... pick your flavor) which, IMO, kicks the ED's a** when it comes to Marshall territory!

+1
i love(d) the ED but it´s not a marshall!
el34´s in the ED will still not give you marshall tones.

[Randy Van Sykes]

I'm not comparing the ED to any other amp, I just really like the tone of it.

I've always been an 'old Marshall voiced amp' guy. It's not exactly a Marshall combo in a box, it has a thicker mid that Mesa's are known for...but when I play it live with a band it makes me smile real big.
It's the first channel switcher type of amp that isn't a compromise to me. The clean tone is fabulous, the dirty tone is fabulous. I can hang on the clean channel with an OCD pedal if I'm in the mood (because it takes pedals extremely well) or click over to the vintage high setting and use it alone or even with the OCD as well. It's really versatile because it all just sounds good to me. Mesa did a great job voicing the channels, I've never really liked a Mesa until this amp.

[pavlov]

Actually nothing is drawing me to the ED. I'm only chiming in because alot of people who have similar tastes in amps to mine are digging it, and I don't hear what I like to hear from it.... Thump mainly, he and I are always on the same page tonally, for the most part.

I have a Fortin Cali, a Landry, and a Friedman modded JCM800. So I've got that tone covered ....

Seems like, in the Mesa world, the Stiletto would be more up my alley... I owned a stage 1 that was really cool, but like most Mesa's, I always find things that bug me....


The ED is a little on the dark side. I think the problem you're hearing with the clips is the Electra Dyne sounds good, really good LOUD. The amp gets insane LOUD really fast. When the master is on 3 the walls are shaking in my basement and I'm not joking. In order to keep the amp tigher the lower the volume is i use a pedal, a BB Preamp + to be exact. Without the pedal then it is loose at low volumes.

I am using a Hotplate and the BB to get what i need at low volumes. But sometimes i rush home early when nobody is home so i can this little ****er up. It's really addicting loud and you gotta try it sometime, but bring along a Tube Screamer to give the amp a little extra juice.

IMHO the Electra Dyne smokes the Stiletto's. The Electra Dyne has less gain but it got tons more balls.

[pavlov]

I'm on the fence with one of these myself.

I played one of these with 6L6s and thought it sounded great, but I still have concerns similar to yours (I'm a Marshall tone guy). I also talked to folks who own them and have tried EL34s. Based on what I hear from others, I would say that with EL34's you're likely to get a tighter grind, a little more gain / bark, and thus are more likely to achieve the GnR sound.

That said, if you really want that GnR sound - then I'd recommend you focus on Marshalls or Marshall-type amps with EL34s or KT88s. What's drawing you to the ED? For the same money you could get a brand new Splawn (QuickRod, ProMod, Street Rod, etc... pick your flavor) which, IMO, kicks the ED's a** when it comes to Marshall territory!


I just picked up a Street Rod.................The Street Rod is for sale and the Electra Dyne isn't going anywhere. The Mesa kicked the Splawn's ass IMHO.

[ronmail65]

I just picked up a Street Rod.................The Street Rod is for sale and the Electra Dyne isn't going anywhere. The Mesa kicked the Splawn's ass IMHO.

Now take the cotton out of your ears and listen again. ...Just kidding.

I agree that the ED sounds great, but my playing taste and ears favor Splawn amps. You gotta go with what works for you -- so enjoy the ED!!

Advice - try selling the SR on the Splawn Fan Forum -- lots of interest expressed on that site and I'm sure there's a production backlog for new ones. Good luck!

[pavlov]

Now take the cotton out of your ears and listen again. ...Just kidding.

I agree that the ED sounds great, but my playing taste and ears favor Splawn amps. You gotta go with what works for you -- so enjoy the ED!!

Advice - try selling the SR on the Splawn Fan Forum -- lots of interest expressed on that site and I'm sure there's a production backlog for new ones. Good luck!

That's just it. The voicing of the Splawn just doesn't work for me at all. I love Modded Marshalls by Fortin, Cameron, and Freidman but the Splawn is something different to me which just doesn't work.

The Electra Dyne really isn't a Marshall sorta thing but that's why i like it. I've never heard a combo with soo much bottom end. The ED has a really big tone that when loud it slams you like a hammer. The Street Rod has that cutting mid that grinds. Depends on what works for you.

[papersoul]

Lack of a solo boost is a big issue to me. With my Shiva it is a one stop shop. The Boost gives me another gain stage and a volume boost with the second master. Sounds very natrural. I believe Splawn does something similar. With the ED I would want to kick in more gain and a volume/mids boost...that is more tow tapping.

Simplicity and tone is a big reason I got my El34 20th Shiva. I am looking to maybe get the ED head after the holidays if I decide to move my VHT which I love so much, LOL......but I can get those VHT tones with my Shiva with the right tweaking. I thought of getting a Splawn but I think my Shiva (20th) is as good as it gets for me for Marshall tones Plexi to modern mayhem.

On the ED, what pedals work well? I tend to not like having to use pedals with an amp. I like the built in boost on my Shiva a lot! Just kick in the boost and instant gain boost via an additional stage and second master volume - brilliant. I guess with the ED, I would need a pedal for this. hmmmm...I hate that but I guess I could deal.

I was looking at the Cusack Screamer, Lovepedal Kalamazoo, Ibanez TS808HW and Sonic Edge J&J Overdrive.

THANKS!!!!!

[Randy Van Sykes]

Lack of a solo boost is a big issue to me. With my Shiva it is a one stop shop. The Boost gives me another gain stage and a volume boost with the second master. Sounds very natrural. I believe Splawn does something similar. With the ED I would want to kick in more gain and a volume/mids boost...that is more tow tapping.

Simplicity and tone is a big reason I got my El34 20th Shiva. I am looking to maybe get the ED head after the holidays if I decide to move my VHT which I love so much, LOL......but I can get those VHT tones with my Shiva with the right tweaking. I thought of getting a Splawn but I think my Shiva (20th) is as good as it gets for me for Marshall tones Plexi to modern mayhem.

On the ED, what pedals work well? I tend to not like having to use pedals with an amp. I like the built in boost on my Shiva a lot! Just kick in the boost and instant gain boost via an additional stage and second master volume - brilliant. I guess with the ED, I would need a pedal for this. hmmmm...I hate that but I guess I could deal.

I was looking at the Cusack Screamer, Lovepedal Kalamazoo, Ibanez TS808HW and Sonic Edge J&J Overdrive.

THANKS!!!!!
I like an Xotic RC Booster with the gain channel and an OCD with the clean channel.

[SgtThump]

I use an MXR 10-band EQ pedal in the loop of my Electra Dyne for a lead volume boost. I also use an EH LPB1 into the front of the amp for a gain boost.

In order to have the volume and gain both increase for leads, I have to step on both pedals. I hit the distortion pedal a tiny bit before the lead starts, then hit the EQ pedal when the lead starts for the volume boost. Not that big of a deal, but I rarely use the LPB1 for more distortion anyway. Only on maybe 2-3 songs out of 40+.

[tiktok]

The problem with Mesas (from a TGP point of view) is that they generally don't sound all that great in a bedroom.

I have ten Mesa amps, and I'd have to agree. You can turn them down to bedroom levels, but I'd never pay Mesa prices for amp that made only that tone. At band levels, they're superb.

[Randy Van Sykes]

Here's all that I'm using with the ED
Pedals in front.
The Tonelab LE is in the loop with all modeling turned off, just using it for delay and boosting the level for solos. It actually works great in the loop and if my amp goes down I have a backup plan of just running direct to finish the gig. ;)

http://www.rig-talk.com/forum/download/file.php?id=15112&mode=view

[papersoul]

I use an MXR 10-band EQ pedal in the loop of my Electra Dyne for a lead volume boost. I also use an EH LPB1 into the front of the amp for a gain boost.

In order to have the volume and gain both increase for leads, I have to step on both pedals. I hit the distortion pedal a tiny bit before the lead starts, then hit the EQ pedal when the lead starts for the volume boost. Not that big of a deal, but I rarely use the LPB1 for more distortion anyway. Only on maybe 2-3 songs out of 40+.


Whjat's the LPB1? I have situations where I need to hit the additional gain, then the EQ for the lead boost then a delay. With the built in amp boost having both the gain and volume...it kind of kills two birds with one stone.

[papersoul]

I like an Xotic RC Booster with the gain channel and an OCD with the clean channel.

You run the Xotic RC Booster in the loop?

I wonder how that might work! With that you can add some gain and volume! hmmmmm....the RC has a little gain right?

How you like the Bud wah? Right now I have a custom Vox and a Cantrell Crybaby I have been comparing.

[Randy Van Sykes]

You run the Xotic RC Booster in the loop?

I wonder how that might work! With that you can add some gain and volume! hmmmmm....the RC has a little gain right?

How you like the Bud wah? Right now I have a custom Vox and a Cantrell Crybaby I have been comparing.
No, I'm just running the Tonelab unit in the loop for delay and volume boosting solos. All the pedals are out front. I prefer phase and chorus before gain.
The Budwah is great...some wahs have too much sweep for me and get very sharp and screechy, the Budwah stays smooth and clean from heel to toe, it's a very polite wah and it's true bypass.

Added: Although I have heard of people using the RC Booster in the loop as a level boost, it's a very transparent pedal.

[papersoul]

Interesting. We play a lot of Rush and I use some chorus on my gain tones so I find chorus in the loop to be less messy. I guess you only use chorus for clean tones?

I prefer to get all of my gain from the amp, not a pedal so I might have to pass on the ED. I like an amp with a good master or designed to get great tones at low and high volumes. My SHiva does that and the built in gain stage boost with second master is perfect. Any amp I have ever used where I had to use a pedal to boost for leads, etc I always hated the feel.

If the amp already has a lot of gain....I use an EQ in the loop for leads.

I hear ya on wahs. That is why I picked up the Jerry Cantrell Dunlop wah....very warm and smooth, no harsh highs...plus it has a knob to dial in the highs!...make it as dark as I want. ONLY issue is that it's a talker. The frequencies are wide but the filter is short so it is a narrow filter wah. I think my modded Vox v847 is more broad. I had the Budda years ago and liked how it cut a mix but thought it was sort of nasally to me.

No, I'm just running the Tonelab unit in the loop for delay and volume boosting solos. All the pedals are out front. I prefer phase and chorus before gain.
The Budwah is great...some wahs have too much sweep for me and get very sharp and screechy, the Budwah stays smooth and clean from heel to toe, it's a very polite wah and it's true bypass.

Added: Although I have heard of people using the RC Booster in the loop as a level boost, it's a very transparent pedal.

[mds]

Hey guys,

I don't think I've contribute to this thread...

I recently finished a world tour of 50 shows over 4 continents and played in front of about 500,000 people over the course of 10 weeks with my Mesa Electradyne. During rehearsals I'd worked out various pedal setups to do our 27+/- song set...about halfway through rehearsals I found myself barely using pedals at all and just using the 3 gain settings available on the ED for just about everything (except for a fuzz factory here and there, some delay, tremelo, and a volume pedal).

Plain and simple, this amp kicked ass. Great cleans, great mid-gain distortion, super loud, never harsh, great verb, etc. I basically had all the controls set at noon (bass was rolled down a touch) and it sounded great everywhere we went.

I've used a lot of amps in a lot of situations in my life, and there are certainly a ton of great amps in the world, but as a full time touring and studio musician I'm super happy with this amp and will be buying a second one as a backup. It covers a ton of tonal territory, is super easy to use, and Mesa's a great company when it comes to support, warranty, availability, etc.

A big thumbs up from me...

Mike

[papersoul]

Mike and others, how forgiving do you guys find this amp?

I played onje briefly last year in a store but I need to try again. These days I like amps that are a bit more forgiving so I don't have to fight so much nor have to worry about being ON 100% of the time, LOL.

[SgtThump]

Mike and others, how forgiving do you guys find this amp?

I played onje briefly last year in a store but I need to try again. These days I like amps that are a bit more forgiving so I don't have to fight so much nor have to worry about being ON 100% of the time, LOL.

My opinion, which may or may not jive with others, is that this amp isn't the most forgiving. It was a tiny bit challenging to play on it when I first got it and started using it live. You have to work your hands a bit, if that makes sense.

Now it feels fantastic, though. I'd say it does KIND OF feel like an old Marshall in that respect. Open and not really compressed or saturated, making it a little more difficult than a super high gain amp.

[Randy Van Sykes]

My opinion, which may or may not jive with others, is that this amp isn't the most forgiving. It was a tiny bit challenging to play on it when I first got it and started using it live. You have to work your hands a bit, if that makes sense.

Now it feels fantastic, though. I'd say it does KIND OF feel like an old Marshall in that respect. Open and not really compressed or saturated, making it a little more difficult than a super high gain amp.

I find it quite easy to play on, I think it's the nice full mids that help...and I've never been into amps with more gain than this.
It is way easier to play on with a band when it's turned up than playing quietly at home.

[SgtThump]

I find it quite easy to play on, I think it's the nice full mids that help...and I've never been into amps with more gain than this.
It is way easier to play on with a band when it's turned up than playing quietly at home.

My opinion is probably from me going from my CAA OD100 SE+ to the Electra Dyne. That OD100 was super easy to play.

I really did find myself working my hands more than normal when I first got the ED. Maybe it was just from me using less gain, though, and not really the amp.

Either way, I love it. :)

[mds]

This amp always felt good to me. In fact, how it felt was a big part of why i bought it in the first place. I feel like it gives my what i'm playing, which i like.

Cleaner amps are less forgiving, for sure. One thing I like about the ED is how clean and nuanced it can be. Next time you play it push the volume up a bit and you'll get a little more drive...you can really get a lot out of the clean channel with the volume knob or your guitars volume knob.

Mike

[Joe Gamble]

You run the Xotic RC Booster in the loop?

This is what I have been doing. I run the RC after the DD-20 in the loop. No gain boost and just a little volume to push it up and over. Works great!

[papersoul]

This amp always felt good to me. In fact, how it felt was a big part of why i bought it in the first place. I feel like it gives my what i'm playing, which i like.

Cleaner amps are less forgiving, for sure. One thing I like about the ED is how clean and nuanced it can be. Next time you play it push the volume up a bit and you'll get a little more drive...you can really get a lot out of the clean channel with the volume knob or your guitars volume knob.

Mike

Maybe that's why I like my VHT ST so much....it is cleaner than many modern amps. I have to get the gain and volume up to get it cooking...but it is fun to play when you get it there! :)

[walterw]

I prefer to get all of my gain from the amp, not a pedal so I might have to pass on the ED.
?? it'll do singing, saturated gain all day long.
If the amp already has a lot of gain....I use an EQ in the loop for leads.

that's all you need to do!

[mds]

?? it'll do singing, saturated gain all day long.

that's all you need to do!

Yeah, plenty of gain on tap...it really covers a ton of territory for a simple setup amp. On tour we do some pretty rockin' songs and I only had the gain at noon on the higher gain channel...I'd goose some of them with a fuzz factory, but only for the fuzz tone...if you want big sustained leads, it'll definitely do that...

[papersoul]

I am trying to find an alternative to my el34 20th Bogner Shive. I thought about a Splawn but afraid it could redundant with my Shiva. I get killer Marshall tones with this but thicker.

I feel I want something different. I can get my VHT ST50 sounding pretty close to my Shuva too.

I can get by the lack of solo boost with a Creation audio Labs Holy Fire and an EQ pedal.
The master is an issue though. Between the great master and excursion control on my Shiva, it us great even at bedroom volumes. The ED needs to be turned up higher.
In some clubs, that's an issue.

I think to me the ED sounds better than a MKIV which to me always sounded boxy!

A built in boost always sounds better to me and my VHT has the best of both worlds with the built in boost and built in graphic EQ. Thump is right though. Having the ability to alter the EQ is great for leads but I also need a really good sounding EQ for this. Did not like the boss ge7, the Maxon GE-601 is nice.

I would buy the head because I prefer using my cabs and I don't like reverb for live use, only recording.
I find reverb can lost or just becomes redundant live......plus I have no more room on my board, LOL

SgtThump?
Don't tell me you like the ED better than the CAA, Landry or Deliverance? :)

Great playing and tone brother! What mode and how was the gain on this? Any boost other than your EQ? Just some delay? Very fat sounding.....that guitar has some stratty qualities to my ear....real bluesy stuff.
And I gotta ask, what wah pedal is that? Sounds killer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tboEdQzdFi4

Maybe its the mic placement, or something, or maybe just the amp...but your rig sounds bigger and fatter than the Marshall rig. Is that Charvel stock? You are making me want to skip getting a strat and maybe getting a Charvel, LOL!

[papersoul]

bump

[papersoul]

One option for a lead boost is a delay pedal like the TREX Replica. I am thinking of getting a Replica and this adds up to 3db of boost if dialed in!

[papersoul]

Spent some time on an ED today. Nice amp. I think it still has that Mesa tubby and stiffness thbothers me. Rather unforgiving.

[bsic]

had mine for a few months now- i owned several mesas previously- Mark IV, stiletto, and a LSS.

This is by FAR the easiest to dial in. Gain at 2:00, start with all tone ctls at noon, and vary only sightly from there as needed- then set and forget... all three "channels" sound great with the shared EQ. One of the main things i didnt like about the previous Mesas i tried was the finicky nature dialing them in just right. The ED is truly EASY to get some fantastic rocking tones from, with almost no time and effort.

Pluses:
1) The loop works great. Send levels were always hard to dial in on prev Mesas i had.
2) It takes pedals like a champ (but Im usually not using many with it!)
3) Reverb sounds great.
4) GREAT at band levels. You have to get that master to 8:30 at LEAST before you judge it. Any lower and it is just too boomy in the bass.

Minuses:
1)... weight. Thats all i can think of...


Love the drive and grind this has. Perfect for blues and classic rock.


And as someone else said earlier- this thing just comes alive with a Klon in front of the blue channel. I mean, mind blowing sounds from it. I had a Klon a ways back with another amp (Budda), and sold it. Got my EL-D, played for months and loved it. Got another klon just to try it- and W-O-W. If youve not tried a Klon with it, do yourself a favor and do it.

[papersoul]

I tried it again but my Shiva already covers the same ground as the ED to my ears so I decided to look at the new Dual Rectifier. Killer amp!