New POD HD Series Part III

[Groovadile]

i just love those blackface samples...

[tochiro]

I have mixed feelings. Some are good but others are weird like the Twin.

[boynamedsuse]

Looking forward to new information. ;)

[joaokorb]

I got my gas on ! I need a hd300 asap ! I was going for a vox tonelab st... Good for me that ive waited !!!

[travisvwright]

Why cant I load the effing samples?I pad? It appears to be flash based.

[travisvwright]

Actually GT when I click on sounds on the left it just starts. And it is Flash 10. Maybe some security settings?

[lowyaw]

i keep switching between the demos of XT, X3 and HD on the Line6 website. HD does seem to sound more organic and kind of fatter than the XT / X3. I hope it can be tweaked deeper and deeper into further perfection.

[blynn894]

I'm wishing they had put the Variax input on the 400, but instead just the 500.

[Gasp100]

Flash... damn! Can't scope these out on the Blackberry.

[GuitarTone]

Actually GT when I click on sounds on the left it just starts. And it is Flash 10. Maybe some security settings?

This is what I see...maybe I need a Flash upgrade.

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/8464/59085067.png

[Schneidas]

Definitely Flash upgrade bro, if that is all you see...

[tochiro]

Check your Flash version here: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html

You should have version 10.

What browser do you use?

[Gasp100]

Browser issue, pop up blocker, something else? That is what I see on my BB (which cannot play any flash at all). Seems weird that you would get that with at least some version of flash installed. Looks like this site is requiring Flash 10, I would upgrade.

[_ripper_]

Repost from the thread that was closed:


Hey guys, I may be dense but after looking thought the manuals I'm kind of perplexed regarding the post-EQ options.

If I understood correctly, on the 300/400, you can assign an EQ effect to FX1, correct? However, when you do this, does it preclude you from using any other effects from the FX1 grouping? And the actual EQ seems quite limited, giving you 1 band of fully parametric EQ and a high and low shelf.

Am I understanding this correctly?

[RafterRattler]

Just looking at the L6 web page. I'm nit picking, but it kills me that they're still using that same crappy LCD display --> http://line6.com/podhd/images/hdmodels-feature3.jpg

Given the proliferation of LCD panels - and the resulting cost reduction over the past few years, it kills me that L6 chose to stick with 'crappy'. If they really put soooo much effort into these new boxes, why not improve the LCD? At the very least, they could have bumped up the resolution. With the exception of maybe contrast, they look the same as the ones on the X3 Live. They're just not pleasing to the eye and not easy to read quickly.

[travisvwright]

Just to rub it in here is what the rest of us see:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_MKcm9x994o0/TKTKoFwHE-I/AAAAAAAAAm4/xR-F0tuj3bo/s800/podsunds.PNG.jpg

[travisvwright]

Repost from the thread that was closed:


Hey guys, I may be dense but after looking thought the manuals I'm kind of perplexed regarding the post-EQ options.

If I understood correctly, on the 300/400, you can assign an EQ effect to FX1, correct? However, when you do this, does it preclude you from using any other effects from the FX1 grouping? And the actual EQ seems quite limited, giving you 1 band of fully parametric EQ and a high and low shelf.

Am I understanding this correctly?I cannot answer your question directly but some info, there are both Parametric and 4 bnd EQ listed as effects. What I've read says that the effects can be put both pre and post. And on the X3 there was a seperate nonFX/nonamp EQ fro the entire chain.

[Groovadile]

If they really put soooo much effort into these new boxes, why not improve the LCD? At the very least, they could have bumped up the resolution. With the exception of maybe contrast, they look the same as the ones on the X3 Live. They're just not pleasing to the eye and not easy to read quickly.

agreed. the lcd's should be at least hd ready :D

[Vettavillenl]

Repost from the thread that was closed:


Hey guys, I may be dense but after looking thought the manuals I'm kind of perplexed regarding the post-EQ options.

If I understood correctly, on the 300/400, you can assign an EQ effect to FX1, correct? However, when you do this, does it preclude you from using any other effects from the FX1 grouping? And the actual EQ seems quite limited, giving you 1 band of fully parametric EQ and a high and low shelf.

Am I understanding this correctly?

The editors are up at the Line 6 site, download it and try, then you know. I'm too unfamiliar with the 300 and 400 to get it from memory.

cheers
- Hans

[Selsaral]

I cannot answer your question directly but some info, there are both Parametric and 4 bnd EQ listed as effects. What I've read says that the effects can be put both pre and post. And on the X3 there was a seperate nonFX/nonamp EQ fro the entire chain.

Yeah I've read the manuals and it appears that they have removed the independant EQ section from the X3. You can still stack up to 4 (or 8) different EQ stomboxes, and of course the amplifiers themselves have EQ also (often more than the original amps did). I am not an EQ fiend but this might not scratch the itch of people accustomed to intense EQ, and I am not sure why they left it out. Maybe we are just missing something.

[Guitar Vilain]

Is it possible to someone to upload the samples from the Line6 website to soundclick? I can't hear them from work (proxy blocked) and the curiosity is just KILLING ME.

[re-animator]

to answer a previous question... 10x the X3's processing power puts it squarely in AxeFX's kitchen.... i think we know who they are trying to compete with.

[eschatts]

did you guys see if the amp and cabs can be turned off? Like the rp500 where you can only use the effects? I don't remember anyone talking about that.

[stilwel]

Amps/Cabs can be turned off independently of each other.

[travisvwright]

did you guys see if the amp and cabs can be turned off? Like the rp500 where you can only use the effects? I don't remember anyone talking about that.Yes you can.

[Selsaral]

It looks like only the HD500 has the dual-amp function.

[GuitarTone]

Check your Flash version here: http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/155/tn_15507.html

You should have version 10.

What browser do you use?

Thanks

Was using Firefox, went in with IE and all's well...listened to the clips. :)

[travisvwright]

Amps/Cabs can be turned off independently of each other.LOL at the thought that you could turn the amp off but send it through the cab anyway. I can't find a way to do this but I know that's not what you were saying.

[eschatts]

I wonder what it sounds like thru a poweramp like the tech 21? that is what I am interested in. I am sure all the samples are just recorded direct.

[travisvwright]

I wonder what it sounds like thru a poweramp like the tech 21? that is what I am interested in. I am sure all the samples are just recorded direct.If you didn't see above you can select either from teh 16 amps or from the Pre's of the 16 amps. This would let you have the effects on the preamp signal as if they were in a loop then run to the Tech 21 as a power amp. Hmm, interesting.

[GuitarTone]

Just my opinion, but I think most of the clips have too much gain on them...the Crunch P75 clip sounded good.

[eschatts]

If you didn't see above you can select either from teh 16 amps or from the Pre's of the 16 amps. This would let you have the effects on the preamp signal as if they were in a loop then run to the Tech 21 as a power amp. Hmm, interesting.

When I want to run thru my Egnater Rebel 20 I would want to turn off the amp and cab (just to use effects).

When running thru my Tech 21 I will want to use the amp and different cab combinations to get the best sound possible.

[travisvwright]

With the smart Harmony you can shift either up or down a "3nd" I'll bet that sounds awesome.

[donbarzini]

to answer a previous question... 10x the X3's processing power puts it squarely in AxeFX's kitchen.... i think we know who they are trying to compete with.

good

[travisvwright]

My question in all of the signal images it's -[]- As if you can only have one input and one output. How do you in the Edit software send input 2 through it's own path?

[jaclo]

What gives?? Why is it that a company that is probably a few hundred miles from my home in CA, have their product for sale on UK web-sites, but not here in the states???

[phazersonstun]

And the actual EQ seems quite limited, giving you 1 band of fully parametric EQ and a high and low shelf.

IMHO & exprience from engineering live & recorded sound, 1 band of fully parametric eq plus a high pass & a low pass filter in addition to the amp sims eq is quite flexible.

[Gasp100]

Just my opinion, but I think most of the clips have too much gain on them...the Crunch P75 clip sounded good.

I could see getting some great results taming the gain and pushing up the volume/master volume to get more of the inherent character of the amps. I think there is some good stuff in there, just have to have it in your hands to coax it out. The playing on the demo's is killer though...

[mouzer]

I don't think the volume/master knobs affect tone on the Pods. Master is the overall global volume on the unit, and Volume is simply the volume for the patch, if I'm not mistaken. It doesn't seem like there is a control for a 'model master volume' as on the AxeFX/11r.

[Gasp100]

IMHO & exprience from engineering live & recorded sound, 1 band of fully parametric eq plus a high pass & a low pass filter in addition to the amp sims eq is quite flexible.

Agreed, the way people are using the PEQ block in the AxeFX is mostly POST CAB, blocking mode of the lowest freq's (~80hz) and highest freq's (~5Khz) especially if going into a FRFR system. Should be a welcome addition.

[mouzer]

Agreed, the way people are using the PEQ block in the AxeFX is mostly POST CAB, blocking mode of the lowest freq's (~80hz) and highest freq's (~5Khz) especially if going into a FRFR system. Should be a welcome addition.

It would also be really nice to have a Global EQ like on the AxeFX (I dont see one in the manual or the editing software). Not really a deal breaker for me, but it would be incredibly convenient.

[Gasp100]

This looks very cool... conceivably using the POD HD500 to do it's own thing AND possibly control something like the AxeFX or 11R as well:

"POD HD500 as a MIDI Controller
As covered in the additional POD HD500 device documentation (available from Line6.com/Support/
Product Manuals), it is possible to confgure and utilize POD HD500 as a MIDI Controller device to
send MIDI commands to other hardware and/or software applications. POD HD500 Edit does not offer
access to any of these MIDI Control assignment settings (these are all accessed in the device’s MIDI
Assign screen). However, all settings made within the device’s MIDI ASSIGN screen are saved per
Preset, and this data will be retained within your Presets, even if editing re-saving the Presets within
the POD HD500 Edit application."

[DreamTheaterRules]

Lance, for whatever reason, I can't listen to them in Firefox but they work find in Internet Explorer and Chrome.

[travisvwright]

Does anyone see a way to send the 2 inputs through different signal chains?

[jetdriver]

I don't think the volume/master knobs affect tone on the Pods. Master is the overall global volume on the unit, and Volume is simply the volume for the patch, if I'm not mistaken. It doesn't seem like there is a control for a 'model master volume' as on the AxeFX/11r.

From the Quick Start Guide:
Note: POD HD500 will generally give the best signal-to-noise
performance when you have the MASTER VOLUME control at
maximum. With the MASTER VOLUME control turned down low, you
may get extra hiss – which obviously isn’t what you want – if you turn
up your mixer or recorder’s output to compensate. In order to allow
you to set the MASTER VOLUME as high as possible when connecting
to recording, mixing, and other studio gear, be sure you are plugging
POD HD500 1/4-inch outputs into line level, not microphone or
guitar level inputs. Line level inputs should allow you to turn POD
HD500 MASTER VOLUME up all the way (or close to it) and thereby
get the best sound possible. If your gear has inputs that function as mic/
line level inputs, try to set the trim for those inputs to the minimum
level, and POD HD500 MASTER VOLUME to maximum, when setting
levels. There is also a switch which allows you to set the line outputs to
amp (instrument) or line level.
Having said all that, it is recommended that you start with the
MASTER VOLUME control set to minimum and slowly turn the
control clockwise towards maximum before any audio clipping (the
bad kind of distortion) occurs

[Selsaral]

Does anyone see a way to send the 2 inputs through different signal chains?

As far as I can tell, no. Also, as far as I can tell, only the HD500 features the ability to send your signal chain through two different amps (it has a mixer to tweak how they come out the other side of the signal chain).

[mouzer]

I think what they mean by that is more of an analog issue- the less signal you are pushing, the more noise in the S/N ratio. If I'm understanding the blurb correctly, the Master volume doesn't affect the tone in the model, but they are informing you of the advantage of running a hotter signal into a mixer (preamp, interface, what have you) instead of cranking up the gain on the mixer itself.

[jetdriver]

I think what they mean by that is more of an analog issue- the less signal you are pushing, the more noise in the S/N ratio. If I'm understanding the blurb correctly, the Master volume doesn't affect the tone in the model, but they are informing you of the advantage of running a hotter signal into a mixer (preamp, interface, what have you) instead of cranking up the gain on the mixer itself.

Gotcha!

[travisvwright]

I think what they mean by that is more of an analog issue- the less signal you are pushing, the more noise in the S/N ratio. If I'm understanding the blurb correctly, the Master volume doesn't affect the tone in the model, but they are informing you of the advantage of running a hotter signal into a mixer (preamp, interface, what have you) instead of cranking up the gain on the mixer itself.But each amp itself has a volume control. Is that not what you are looking for?

[travisvwright]

As far as I can tell, no. Also, as far as I can tell, only the HD500 features the ability to send your signal chain through two different amps (it has a mixer to tweak how they come out the other side of the signal chain).
That seems a bit of a step backwards from the X3. In that the amps can only be parallel and not series.

[travisvwright]

I know the whole reason for that is so that I have to keep my X3 and buy an HD. Corporate leeches.

[jetdriver]

I wish this thing had relays in it to change amp channels. That way, I could run it into my Mesa Stiletto and switch between models AND my own amps drive.

Still, I may run it thru the power amp to start. I'm trying to figure if I can run it thru my Mesa power amp AND thru FOH at the same time.

EDIT: Of course, it's not a deal breaker. I could add a Mini Amp Gizmo, and do that all from the HD.

[gurumonkey]

i'm bummed that there is no channel strip option or anything for vocals. but we'll see how it goes!

[gurumonkey]

and correct me if i'm wrong, there is no bass amp modeled, right?

[Gasp100]

I wish this thing had relays in it to change amp channels. That way, I could run it into my Mesa Stiletto and switch between models AND my own amps drive.

Still, I may run it thru the power amp to start. I'm trying to figure if I can run it thru my Mesa power amp AND thru FOH at the same time.

The HD500 has a switch for "amp" - "dual" - "studio". So the example is set it to amp running it in front of an amp, set it to studio running it to FOH or run it dual if somehow splitting the signal (I guess one output doing to an amp and the other output (with cab sim on I suppose?) going to FOH. Have to read the manual... again.

[tochiro]

I wonder if I can plug 2 guitars at the same time in the HD500 and alternate between one or the other...

[jdpkeeper]

Interesting...even though the 300 doesn't have midi i/o, it can send midi through the usb!
"POD HD300 includes the ability to send and receive MIDI System Exclusive and MIDI control data via the USB connection." -advanced guide

[travisvwright]

I know the whole reason for that is so that I have to keep my X3 and buy an HD. Corporate leeches.

i'm bummed that there is no channel strip option or anything for vocals. but we'll see how it goes!

and correct me if i'm wrong, there is no bass amp modeled, right?That's what I was noticing. You'll have to keep the X3 for vocals and bass it seems.

[jetdriver]

I wonder if I can plug 2 guitars at the same time in the HD500 and alternate between one or the other...

Looks like you can, according to the manual.

[Tarkus]

Hans, Andy or anyone else who would know, I've breezed through the manual but can't find the answer to these questions.

1. Is it possible to run the POD HD stereo via XLR to the FOH/PA with cabinet/mic modeling and simultaneously summed mono via 1/4 inch to a guitar amplifier with no cab/mic modeling (say for example to the power amp in of my SVMK2)

2. Will the POD HD 5 work as my interface for Variax workbench like my PODXTL will?

Posted same questions on ION POD...of course I realize I'm probably the only guy over there:-(

[swampthing]

I wonder if I can plug 2 guitars at the same time in the HD500 and alternate between one or the other...

Check out page 2•5 of the advanced guide...

http://line6.com/manuals/

Select POD HD in the menu and you'll see the download page.

[travisvwright]

I wonder if I can plug 2 guitars at the same time in the HD500 and alternate between one or the other...There is a place to set different inputs between Guitar/Mic/Aux/Variax. But it looks like you would have Patch A input be Guitar and your electric chain, then Patch B be your acoustic with it's chain. But with the X3 you could have A1 electric and A2 acoustic and play them both at the same time. Feature loss it appears.

[_ripper_]

IMHO & exprience from engineering live & recorded sound, 1 band of fully parametric eq plus a high pass & a low pass filter in addition to the amp sims eq is quite flexible.

This is true, although 2 bands of fully parametric EQ would be better.

Anyway, the main problem -if I understand correctly- is that by using the EQ in FX1 then I automatically lose the option to use a distortion stomp or a pitch effect in that specific patch, which is quite limiting. Having a Global EQ would be much more flexible.

[travisvwright]

Check out page 2•5 of the advanced guide...

http://line6.com/manuals/

Select POD HD in the menu and you'll see the download page.Thank you. It appears I was wrong. Never been so happy to be wrong before.

[Selsaral]

That seems a bit of a step backwards from the X3. In that the amps can only be parallel and not series.

Yeah actually I was apparently wrong. The HD500 (as swampthing says) on page 2.5 describes this exact scenario.

[travisvwright]

What about Vocal, Bass, or Acoustic options?

[Selsaral]

What about Vocal, Bass, or Acoustic options?

It was indeed odd to leave those out.

[travisvwright]

Yeah actually I was apparently wrong. The HD500 (as swampthing says) on page 2.5 describes this exact scenario.One thing I used on the X3 to great effect was running Tone1 back into the Aux through Tone 2 Out. It looks like you can do that if you are crafty.

[travisvwright]

It was indeed odd to leave those out.
I often switch between Acoustic and Electric patches but I also use Mic and Bass when used as an interface. So I suppose I could just send those dry and get all my amp/effects from plugins. I don't like it but I guess it'll work. My Acoustic is still orphaned.

[Selsaral]

I often switch between Acoustic and Electric patches but I also use Mic and Bass when used as an interface. So I suppose I could just send those dry and get all my amp/effects from plugins. I don't like it but I guess it'll work. My Acoustic is still orphaned.

Yep although we've known the feature set for a long time, I was really hoping Line6 would save me from lugging another piece of gear around (like a fishman aura pedal).

[travisvwright]

Yep although we've known the feature set for a long time, I was really hoping Line6 would save me from lugging another piece of gear around (like a fishman aura pedal).Seems an Firmware addition of a single Basic Pre-amp would fix both the Mic and Acoustic issue for me. So I'll wait to see if that's in the plans at all.

[JMP2203]

What about Vocal, Bass, or Acoustic options?

yeah im curious as well, specialy the vocal since there is a XLR mic input but i dont see any info abouth that :bkw

[Soler]

Anybody knows the size of the POD HD500 ?? Does it fit on a Pedaltrain 2 ?

[SouthernShred]

where are people preordering from?

[travisvwright]

Anybody knows the size of the POD HD500 ?? Does it fit on a Pedaltrain 2 ?Also will it fit in my X3L bag?

[tochiro]

What's the AUX input for?

[zaubertuba]

That's what I was noticing. You'll have to keep the X3 for vocals and bass it seems.

It was indeed odd to leave those out.

Yep although we've known the feature set for a long time, I was really hoping Line6 would save me from lugging another piece of gear around (like a fishman aura pedal).


Yeah, unfortunately it seems the kind of convergence that turned me on to the X3L is not very high in demand. I process both bass and guitar tones separately from my NS/stick, and the X3L was really the *only* decent solution-in-a-box I could find. It's highly effective at that.

Still, I like the guitar tones on the X3L enough that, if the HD series really is an improvement, I may end up building my own preamp for the bass side and get the HD300 for the guitar side. More clutter than I wanted, but I'm finding those of us in more unique performance situations just really aren't a big enough part of the market. :(

[travisvwright]

What's the AUX input for?
For me it's my acoustic guitar or the output of one signal path being fed back into a second signal path. But it could be a second Electric, Bass etc. It's just that currently there are no amp models that are not electric.

[Groovadile]

re-listened the samples through my akg k141. they do sound good :D but please, don't tell me I need another device to utilize variax acoustic models....

[travisvwright]

re-listened the samples through my akg k141. they do sound good :D but please, don't tell me I need another device to utilize variax acoustic models....Hmm I hadn't even thought of that. Don't the Tyler variaxi have acoutsic sounds? Wouldn't sending that through any of the 16 amps listed have a pretty crappy tone? Surely they are planning on servicing this need in the future.

[sevenstrings7]

as promised, can NOT load external Impulse Responses to POD HDs!
congrats, Line6 http://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/palmas.gif
(...another good point to Fractal Audio).

[Groovadile]

Hmm I hadn't even thought of that. Don't the Tyler variaxi have acoutsic sounds? Wouldn't sending that through any of the 16 amps listed have a pretty crappy tone? Surely they are planning on servicing this need in the future.

yup... i guess so. maybe you can disable the preamp and use power amp only? or no amp at the line level... with reverb and eq would do.

[tochiro]

For me it's my acoustic guitar or the output of one signal path being fed back into a second signal path. But it could be a second Electric, Bass etc. It's just that currently there are no amp models that are not electric.

Ok that means I could plug my acoustic guitar preamp here, applies some FX only and output it directly to the desk of the PA system. At the same time I could plug my electric guitar in the guitar input and use amp sims + FX before output it to the desk. That's cool!

[travisvwright]

as promised, can NOT load POD 1.x models to POD HDs!
congrats, Line6 http://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/palmas.gif
(...another good point to POD 1.x)

[Groovadile]

does it shoot movies in hd, too?

[donbarzini]

as promised, can NOT load external Impulse Responses to POD HDs!
congrats, Line6 http://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/palmas.gif
(...another good point to Fractal Audio).

maybe they are good enough already not to have to ;)

[JMP2203]

as promised, can NOT load external Impulse Responses to POD HDs!
congrats, Line6 http://www.thestylemachine.com/smileys/palmas.gif
(...another good point to Fractal Audio).

who cares abouth IR if sounds great out the box

[travisvwright]

Ok that means I could plug my acoustic guitar preamp here, applies some FX only and output it directly to the desk of the PA system. At the same time I could plug my electric guitar in the guitar input and use amp sims + FX before output it to the desk. That's cool!Hmm. You can only assign the Effects loop to one Path. So you could set your acoustic preamp in the effects loop of one path to get both pre and post Effects and use the acoutic and electric at the same time. It does appear to be able to handle sending effects and one level and recieving them at another.

[Capn Spanky]

What about Vocal, Bass, or Acoustic options?

Expect some paid add on packs coming to a store near you. Or you could wait several years and they'll be included on some future version of the Pod for free... just like the X3.

At least that's my guess. ;)

[Gasp100]

maybe they are good enough already not to have to ;)

No matter how good the internal ones sound there is NO WAY they can compete with the flexibility of being able to load your own IR's... A 4x12 with V30's and Royer 121 might work for your Marshall, but might now be what I would use...
To dismiss the importance of cab flexibility using IR's is short sighted imho, no matter how good the cabs sound. BUT, 11R doesn't allow it either so yea, here's to hoping the cabs/mics in the POD HD are good :D
BTW - has anyone seen an official cab/speaker/mic list yet?
I might have to install the software editor I guess.

[mouzer]

maybe they are good enough already not to have to ;)

Sure, with actual guitar cab impulses. An advantage of custom IR's is that the user can load up other types of impulses for creative control over the sounds, for example acoustic impulses, or violin impulses (a la Dweezil).

[OverDriven]

I too thought there would be some ability to add IRs. It makes sense that they haven't given us that ability. If we have a limited number of cabs to work with then they can sell us expansion packs with more.

[joaokorb]

Do you guys think the POD HDS should sound good with my Fender Pro Junior amp ? It works with 2 EL84s...

[donbarzini]

Sure, with actual guitar cab impulses. An advantage of custom IR's is that the user can load up other types of impulses for creative control over the sounds, for example acoustic impulses, or violin impulses (a la Dweezil).

I hear ya, on the fly live would be good. For me, I just turn the cab sims off and use whatever in my DAW. Some of my favorite cab sims are in other software modeling sims. The Redwirez are OK, but I like some others better. We'll see how these HD ones are.

[travisvwright]

BTW - has anyone seen an official cab/speaker/mic list yet?
I might have to install the software editor I guess.
Mics
57 On axis
57 Off axis
409 Dynamic
421 Dynamic
4038 ribbon
121 Ribbon
67 Condenser
87 Condenser

Cabs
2x12PHD Ported (DR.Z)
1x(6x9) Super O
1x12 Celest 12-H
1x12 Black Lux
1x12 Gibtone F-Coil
1x12 BlueBell
2x12 BlackFace DBL
2x12 Silver Bell
4x10 Tweed BMan
4x12 Uber
4x12 XXL V30
4x12 Highway
4x12 Greenback 25
4x12 Blackback 30
4x12 Tread V30
4x12 Brit T75
No Cab

[travisvwright]

Also in regard to IRs there is an Early Reflection control "Add the desired amount of reflective "room" sound to your amp tone." Not IRs but some more tweakability.

[Gasp100]

Mics
57 On axis
57 Off axis
409 Dynamic
421 Dynamic
4038 ribbon
121 Ribbon
67 Condenser
87 Condenser

Cabs
2x12PHD Ported (DR.Z)
1x(6x9) Super O
1x12 Celest 12-H
1x12 Black Lux
1x12 Gibtone F-Coil
1x12 BlueBell
2x12 BlackFace DBL
2x12 Silver Bell
4x10 Tweed BMan
4x12 Uber
4x12 XXL V30
4x12 Highway
4x12 Greenback 25
4x12 Blackback 30
4x12 Tread V30
4x12 Brit T75
No Cab

Excellent thanks!
Is it possible to assign two cabs to one "amp"? I could definitely see some cool experimentation with an AC15 (or AC30) and having it go into the BlueBell on one side, Silver Bell on the other side with slight panning... :D

[travisvwright]

Excellent thanks!
Is it possible to assign two cabs to one "amp"? I could definitely see some cool experimentation with an AC15 (or AC30) and having it go into the BlueBell on one side, Silver Bell on the other side with slight panning... :DSort of. (500 only) you could have two parrallel amps that are the same amps with two different cabs.

[Gasp100]

Sort of. (500 only) you could have two parrallel amps that are the same amps with two different cabs.

Yep, that's one way to do it I guess. Hell, if I'm going to do that I might as well use an AC15 through the Blue and Ac30 through the Silver Bell in tandem. :D

Travis, let's see if we can get this thread up to the 1K mark by ourselves.

[fr8_trane]

No matter how good the internal ones sound there is NO WAY they can compete with the flexibility of being able to load your own IR's... A 4x12 with V30's and Royer 121 might work for your Marshall, but might now be what I would use...
To dismiss the importance of cab flexibility using IR's is short sighted imho, no matter how good the cabs sound. BUT, 11R doesn't allow it either so yea, here's to hoping the cabs/mics in the POD HD are good :D
BTW - has anyone seen an official cab/speaker/mic list yet?
I might have to install the software editor I guess.

I agree but at least you can defeat the cabs and use the redwirez for recording. I do hope the included cabs are significantly better than previous versions because the old L6 cabs were terrible. I mean they were laughably bad compared to redwirez.

[fr8_trane]

Yep, that's one way to do it I guess. Hell, if I'm going to do that I might as well use an AC15 through the Blue and Ac30 through the Silver Bell in tandem. :D


I never got the AC15 :huh. See any Nashville players with ac-15's onstage? The AC-30 sounds so much better to me and I wish they used that slot for a different amp - even a another better Vox flavor like a matchless.

I'm dying to hear your review on this Greg especially the park versus the axe plexi. I think there's a reason those parks never took off.

[travisvwright]

Yep, that's one way to do it I guess. Hell, if I'm going to do that I might as well use an AC15 through the Blue and Ac30 through the Silver Bell in tandem. :D

Travis, let's see if we can get this thread up to the 1K mark by ourselves.I just figure if I ask enough times someone will finally say, "Yes we are going to add some Mic-Pres and acoutics Preamps for you."

[travisvwright]

I agree but at least you can defeat the cabs and use the redwirez for recording. I do hope the included cabs are significantly better than previous versions because the old L6 cabs were terrible. I mean they were laughably bad compared to redwirez.I'd love to hear some recordings of POD HD stock VS POD HD with IR subbed for Cab, as I'm a complete noob in the IR world.

[OverDriven]

I think it's really cool how you can either pick the amp or just the amp's preamp section. That should make for some interesting experimentation when running the HD into a tube power amp.

[travisvwright]

I think it's really cool how you can either pick the amp or just the amp's preamp section. That should make for some interesting experimentation when running the HD into a tube power amp.Or as they are hoping a DT50.

[tatkovladko]

The more I listen to the available demos of both POD HD and DT50 the more I'm thinking this:

POD HD: (......)
DT50: (!!!!!!)

PS. Never had a tube amp. And yes, I saw the POD HD400 demo video was through a DT50.

[_pete_]

1. Is it possible to run the POD HD stereo via XLR to the FOH/PA with cabinet/mic modeling and simultaneously summed mono via 1/4 inch to a guitar amplifier with no cab/mic modeling


Anybody knows the size of the POD HD500 ?? Does it fit on a Pedaltrain 2 ?


Anyone have the answers to these?

The HD500 has me interested but I want to know if it would fit in my pedalboard case. I can't find the dimensions of the thing anywhere.

[Vettavillenl]

Hans, Andy or anyone else who would know, I've breezed through the manual but can't find the answer to these questions.

1. Is it possible to run the POD HD stereo via XLR to the FOH/PA with cabinet/mic modeling and simultaneously summed mono via 1/4 inch to a guitar amplifier with no cab/mic modeling (say for example to the power amp in of my SVMK2)

2. Will the POD HD 5 work as my interface for Variax workbench like my PODXTL will?

Posted same questions on ION POD...of course I realize I'm probably the only guy over there:-(


Q1: No, it's one or the other

Q2: Yes

Last remark, yeah I saw them there Buc;)

cheers
- Hans

[OverDriven]

The more I listen to the available demos of both POD HD and DT50 the more I'm thinking this:

POD HD: (......)
DT50: (!!!!!!)

PS. Never had a tube amp. And yes, I saw the POD HD400 demo video was through a DT50.

The DT50 makes absolutely no sense. For the price of one of those you could get the HD500, a tube power amp AND a cab and have more flexibility.

[rezidentura]

So it's basically a Vetta III floor unit with 16 high quality amps and M Effects.

I knew it wouldn't be the same as x3 but what doesnt make much sense is all the talk about X3 being discontinued, seems as though this is an entire different enty as opposed to a X3 replacement.

I Think it's nice that even the HD400 has octoverb and Partical verb.

I also think not having an Line 6 Piezo model seems odd considering the Variax connectivity.

This announcement is sort of anticlimatic.

[GuitarTone]

More soundclips and less IR talk. :)

IMO, as with all previous Pods, the tone you get in the first 5 minutes is as good as it's going to get.

[travisvwright]

Q1: No, it's one or the other

Why not? It seems possible to me. If you set up two identical paths (granted only 4 effects per.) One with cabs on one with cabs off.

[Vettavillenl]

yeah im curious as well, specialy the vocal since there is a XLR mic input but i dont see any info abouth that :bkw

On vocals an acoustic,

There are no ampmodels like in the X3 series for that. However..

You'll find some examples of craftmanship when using the mixer (after the ampblock), EQ and fx from the dynamics section.

You are able to get some nice tones out of it, when all comes together, customtone will help you along when it's being used by all users. As I understand Line 6 is still working on uploading tones etc to their website and Customtone.

Hope it helps
- Hans

[Richard_G]

Hmmm... listened to the clips and I'm not blown away. Also, I can't believe you can't load third party impulse responses...

[Vettavillenl]

What's the AUX input for?

Other type of instruments like a keyboard for instance..

- Hans

[GuitarTone]

So it's basically a Vetta III floor unit with 16 high quality amps and M Effects.

I knew it wouldn't be the same as x3 but what doesnt make much sense is all the talk about X3 being discontinued, seems as though this is an entire different enty as opposed to a X3 replacement.

I Think it's nice that even the HD400 has octoverb and Partical verb.

I also think not having an Line 6 Piezo model seems odd considering the Variax connectivity.

This announcement is sort of anticlimatic.

It's all about the quality of the amp modelling...if the HD amp modelling sounds better than the X3 then Line 6 might as well stop producing the X3.
$300 for an HD300, who's going to buy an X3?

[Vettavillenl]

Anybody knows the size of the POD HD500 ?? Does it fit on a Pedaltrain 2 ?

It's just a tiny bit bigger then X3 Live, ( 2-3 cm wider) don't have the actual dimensions.

I tried to fit it in an X3 Live bag, but it just didn't fit..,

- Hans

[Vettavillenl]

re-listened the samples through my akg k141. they do sound good :D but please, don't tell me I need another device to utilize variax acoustic models....


You don't see my earlier reply, a few minutes back

[travisvwright]

Hmmm... listened to the clips and I'm not blown away. Also, I can't believe you can't load third party impulse responses...Why can't people believe this when asked weeks ago Line 6 said, "No you won't be able to". You thought they were lying or slandering their own product??

[Gasp100]

It's just a tiny bit bigger then X3 Live, ( 2-3 cm wider) don't have the actual dimensions.

I tried to fit it in an X3 Live bag, but it just didn't fit..,

- Hans

Hans, do you have any hands on reviews / clips of this on your site? Do you have any hands on experience with 11 Rack and/or AxeFX to do some comparisons? Just curious.

[gidude73]

It's all about the quality of the amp modelling...if the HD amp modelling sounds better than the X3 then Line 6 might as well stop producing the X3.
$300 for an HD300, who's going to buy an X3?

Hopefully someone out there will compare the X3 and the HD to see if there is that much of a difference.

[GuitarTone]

Other type of instruments like a keyboard for instance..

- Hans

Hans

Simple question...is the HD amp modelling MUCH MUCH better than the XT or X3...is the difference HUGE?
I'm not talking about recording DI (recorded tones = the skill of the guitarist), I'm talking plugged into a PA or Studio Monitors.

Thanks, Hans.

[Vettavillenl]

Hmm. You can only assign the Effects loop to one Path. So you could set your acoustic preamp in the effects loop of one path to get both pre and post Effects and use the acoutic and electric at the same time. It does appear to be able to handle sending effects and one level and recieving them at another.

There's another trick up the sleeve, The POD HD500 has the option to choose Tyler Variax Ch1 or Channel 2....

[Vettavillenl]

Excellent thanks!
Is it possible to assign two cabs to one "amp"? I could definitely see some cool experimentation with an AC15 (or AC30) and having it go into the BlueBell on one side, Silver Bell on the other side with slight panning... :D

Just to be clear, you can't assign two cabs to one amp, but you can (and that's what you mean probably) have a dual amp setup (twice the same amp), F.I. AC30 with both different cabs and or different mics if desired.

- Hans

[mouzer]

Q1: No, it's one or the other


That's kind of a huge bummer! I'm pretty sure X3's XLRs were dedicated with cab sims, while the 1/4" were configurable.

Am I wrong?

[jdolll]

Two amps is gonna eat up dsp like crazy. You will be limited in your effects usage doing this.

[gidude73]

Hans

Simple question...is the HD amp modelling MUCH MUCH better than the XT or X3...is the difference HUGE?
I'm not talking about recording DI (recorded tones = the skill of the guitarist), I'm talking plugged into a PA or Studio Monitors.

Thanks, Hans.

Yes, I would like to know this as well.

[mouzer]

Why can't people believe this when asked weeks ago Line 6 said, "No you won't be able to". You thought they were lying or slandering their own product??

I'm pretty sure Rich mentioned that it wasn't for sure whether or not users could load their own IR's, but he did say he was fighting for it.

[Vettavillenl]

Why not? It seems possible to me. If you set up two identical paths (granted only 4 effects per.) One with cabs on one with cabs off.


If you want the fx being stereo you can't, the reason is that you don't have the option to select different outputs for different signalpaths

In your scenario you'll take left or right, right?

[guitar1965]

- Personally.... the hype for me didn't live up to it. I was looking at the effects list - nothing really dynamic or new in the overdrive effects!
- As far as sound/video clips - I got tone like that out of my x3L
- But I do like the less is more with the amp models
- Still a lot of great features

It's going to be subjective for some of us, but I'm going to awhile and see how this thing performs before I even consider the purchase.

[Vettavillenl]

So it's basically a Vetta III floor unit with 16 high quality amps and M Effects.

I knew it wouldn't be the same as x3 but what doesnt make much sense is all the talk about X3 being discontinued, seems as though this is an entire different enty as opposed to a X3 replacement.

I Think it's nice that even the HD400 has octoverb and Partical verb.

I also think not having an Line 6 Piezo model seems odd considering the Variax connectivity.

This announcement is sort of anticlimatic.

Maybe I missed the part where Line 6 stated that X3 is obsolete?
The sum of the parts (JTV - POD HD - DT50) is far greater sonicly then a Vetta - M13 combination.

Soundwise and feel, interaction with all the companents.
Once you gig with it, you'll forget about amp you dialed in, You'll feel the interaction, it's unbelievable to switch with a simple footswitch from a Supro to a Div/13 or whatever. You instantly get the tone and vibe, interaction of that model, just as you were with the real counterpart.

Best is to try this at a store near you. You are the one that can best decide what tools are best for your creativity, not to mention your hard earned cash.

Good Times
- Hans

[Elric]

The DT50 makes absolutely no sense. For the price of one of those you could get the HD500, a tube power amp AND a cab and have more flexibility.

Actually the DT50 design sounds incredibly cool from a technical perspective they actually switch the power amp's circuit topology on the fly using relays. That is super cool. I'll bet those relays and the associated digital control logic add significantly to the component cost and this is pretty much the only amp I've ever heard of that can do this on the fly digitally. Any rack power amp you bought would have only one circuit design topology... this is actually almost like having four different power amps at once.

Most of the early complainers I've seen here and at HC do not seem to understand the significance of this, I bet this thing will blow some minds when demoed in person...

That said, I'm disappointed a bit in the initial PODHD clips, most sounded somewhat generic, although there were a couple of outstanding ones. Hopefully, the feel/dynamics improvement thing is there and the cabs are improved. I'll reserve judgment pending more data and a local demo at GC.

[GuitarTone]

Yes, I would like to know this as well.

But as you can see you wont get an answer, just BS talk about all the irrelevant technical stuff that has nothing to do with TONE.

[Vettavillenl]

Hans, do you have any hands on reviews / clips of this on your site? Do you have any hands on experience with 11 Rack and/or AxeFX to do some comparisons? Just curious.

I don't have clips on my site, i didn't do them so far since I wasn't sure what Line 6 themselves would come up with. At present I'd like to concentrate on the flood of questions (I've been at it all day long already, it's almost midnight here). I still ahve to adjust Vettaville.nl even further. But that won't be all done in a day.

I'm rather unfamiliar with the eleven rack (actually I've skipped through some presets at a local musicstore this week), and I don't have an AxeFX.
So to go short, no I can't compare.

As to a hands a review, it's something I could do and probably will, but not today. I've been playing the HD500 and DT50 for the last 6 weeks or so. I'm not gonna part from it. As a result I already loaded of an amp and two other are on the way out aswell..

- Hans

[Elric]

But as you can see you wont get an answer, just BS talk about all the irrelevant technical stuff that has nothing to do with TONE.
Maybe one or two guys here have actually even seen the thing in person what did you expect? Plus all the non-technical stuff is pure opinion.

[tatkovladko]

The DT50 makes absolutely no sense. For the price of one of those you could get the HD500, a tube power amp AND a cab and have more flexibility.
...assuming the POD HD amp modelling equals the tone quality of an actual tube amplifier. That would generally defy the existence of the DT50 preamp section altogether.
And I'm not going to make that assumption, especially since I've never had a tube amp.

[Mincer]

No volume control of the looper via either exp pedal, I am guessing- I don't see a mention of it in the manual. Can anyone confirm this?

[Vettavillenl]

Hans

Simple question...is the HD amp modelling MUCH MUCH better than the XT or X3...is the difference HUGE?
I'm not talking about recording DI (recorded tones = the skill of the guitarist), I'm talking plugged into a PA or Studio Monitors.

Thanks, Hans.

From my feeling looking backwards, I'd say the step up from xt to X3 was a small step. Stepping from X3 to HD is far, far bigger. And the funny thing is, when I first had the chance to fire it up I recognized it was way better.

It makes you work your instrument, before when playing a modeler there wasn't nearly any feeling, making me a play my guiatr easily. If you do that for a long time it feels a bit uninspiring.

Then when you hit just a tube amp, you feel the reaction as to being a part of the signal chain and all kind of tonal nuances are being made by your hands and you know you have to work your guitar to achieve it... This is how the HD also reacts..

All nuances you make on your guitar when turning down your volume knob for instance, they effect like on a real amp. When strumming a chord and letting it ring, it totally rings out, it doesn't brake off in signaltransistion at the lowest signal.

Then when you plug it into a DT50 you just smile, shut up and play

Best thing is to experience it yourself and see if it works for you.

- Hans

[Vettavillenl]

That's kind of a huge bummer! I'm pretty sure X3's XLRs were dedicated with cab sims, while the 1/4" were configurable.

Am I wrong?


Mmmh, I might have to take a look at that, can't try now and maybe Andy will stop by later, maybe he knows from the top of his mind. Good call, thanks for pointing it out.

Remind me when I forget please, I've done so much answering at different forums that I might..

Cheers
- Hans

[_pete_]

Q1: No, it's one or the other



Too bad. That kind of kills it for me.
I would want to run the 1/4" outs with no cab sims to a power amp driving either a couple 2x12's or a stereo 4x12 and the XLR's with cab sims to FOH.

[Vettavillenl]

Hans

Simple question...is the HD amp modelling MUCH MUCH better than the XT or X3...is the difference HUGE?
I'm not talking about recording DI (recorded tones = the skill of the guitarist), I'm talking plugged into a PA or Studio Monitors.

Thanks, Hans.

The best translation is to XLR's out right into a full blown P.A.
It's freaking good

[OverDriven]

...assuming the POD HD amp modelling equals the tone quality of an actual tube amplifier. That would generally defy the existence of the DT50 preamp section altogether.
And I'm not going to make that assumption, especially since I've never had a tube amp.

The preamp of the DT50 is the same modeling system as the HD500. If you run the HD500 through a tube power amp then you are basically creating your own DT50, but with far more amps and effects.

[jetdriver]

The preamp of the DT50 is the same modeling system as the HD500. If you run the HD500 through a tube power amp then you are basically creating your own DT50, but with far more amps and effects.

Good point. I am considering running it thru my Mesa Stiletto Deuce II head & 412 cab.

I am hoping to be able to do this IN ADDITION to running thru the PA.

[gtr37]

I have to say .I think they have succeded .
Usually all of their clips stink but here I can actually feel like they could move some air.
The twin, Divided ,DrZ ,AC30 Park, JTM Uber, And Engl all show real promise.Even the effect wacky stuff like Skate park and pulse synth are cool tech effects.
I will agree maybe all the models maybe not dialed in to what you want to hear and maybe have too much verb and delay .but Something has changed in the body and detail I can hear it

And the DT even though it is a hybrid it is instantly noticeable from the cali Clean to the british crunch with the SG that it sound very unlike the SV and honestly sound like a full tube amp

[Julia343]

I'm torn on this. It looks like a great stand alone unit. There are times when recording I'd like to turn off the amp models and use the cab sims alone. Alas according to the manual when you turn off the amp sims, you turn off the cab sims. See I'm trying to get out of using a CPU eating plugin, especially when I've got a tone dialed in just right on my amp. See I can hook up an attenuator and run it on load and use the line out direct, then add a cab sim.

Although I suppose I could play through a JDI, split my signal, and record with the model and cab sim, and record a guitar only track and then go back and reamp as needed. Que pain (not bread).

The problem I've got is my DAW is RTAS. I'd need to grab something like Mellowmuse or other convolution reverb and load a cab IR into it. Everything else out there costs and arm and a leg or is VST.

Sometimes I want to use an amp model. It is starting to look like the solution to my scheme is software. So maybe I should hold on until they update POD Farm?

[mouzer]

Mmmh, I might have to take a look at that, can't try now and maybe Andy will stop by later, maybe he knows from the top of his mind. Good call, thanks for pointing it out.

Remind me when I forget please, I've done so much answering at different forums that I might..



Hans- Don't quote me on it because I never owned any of the X3's, but I'm pretty sure I read it in the manual when I was mentally preparing for HD!

[OverDriven]

I'm torn on this. It looks like a great stand alone unit. There are times when recording I'd like to turn off the amp models and use the cab sims alone. Alas according to the manual when you turn off the amp sims, you turn off the cab sims. See I'm trying to get out of using a CPU eating plugin, especially when I've got a tone dialed in just right on my amp. See I can hook up an attenuator and run it on load and use the line out direct, then add a cab sim.

Although I suppose I could play through a JDI, split my signal, and record with the model and cab sim, and record a guitar only track and then go back and reamp as needed. Que pain (not bread).

The problem I've got is my DAW is RTAS. I'd need to grab something like Mellowmuse or other convolution reverb and load a cab IR into it. Everything else out there costs and arm and a leg or is VST.

Sometimes I want to use an amp model. It is starting to look like the solution to my scheme is software. So maybe I should hold on until they update POD Farm?

If you want software, get Revalver III. It's better than any of the competition by far IMO.

[Pietro]

Two amps is gonna eat up dsp like crazy. You will be limited in your effects usage doing this.

I doubt this. It has 10 times the processing power of the X3Live, and the X3Live ran two signal chains GREAT!

I think it'll be okay.

Looking at the manuals and software, it looks like I can do the two-chain thing I've been doing, but I kinda liked a couple of the Line6 things for running acoustic that are no longer here, so I might be stuck with an external Acoustic processor. Darn, I was hoping for a one-box solution. We'll see, as the eq is good and the Tube Comp is GREAT on acoustic. (I run two voice, I want to do this all with just one box.)

[toelessfoot]

Looks like you can do 4 cable method!

That's it I gotta sell my M13 FAST


Wait, the effects are going to sound as good as the M13 right? Same A/D D/A converters right?

[Soler]

Can you use the tuner while the looper is on??? (Unlike the m13?)

[llamaiguana]

Has anyone heard if there's a price drop expected on the M9?

[jetdriver]

Has anyone heard if there's a price drop expected on the M9?

I'll sell you mine. Make an offer :)

[mouzer]

Has anyone found out what the USB I/O will be like?

[DallasD]

Definitely looks like the HD 500 is a tweaker's dream and is setup for future add-ons. The HD 400 seems like a great option for plug and play (bonehead simple) with a nice option to add your favorite pedal in the loop.

[richrenken]

Flash... damn! Can't scope these out on the Blackberry.

I can on my DROID X. Naannaannaaannn..... LOL.

[richrenken]

Has anyone heard if there's a price drop expected on the M9?

Definitely no drop in price for the M13 or M9. They are products for a very different customer. :)

[fremen]

to answer a previous question... 10x the X3's processing power puts it squarely in AxeFX's kitchen.... i think we know who they are trying to compete with.I thought I read that the amp algorithms has 10x details, NOT that the HD processor has 10x the processing power...
It would take two of these processors to have roughly the power of the Axe-Fx standard. But with two processors you have latency problems :

"If you use two processors you double the latency for a given block size. So either you live with increased latency or decrease the block size. Decreasing the block size, however, increases function overhead thereby reducing function efficiency".

[zentman]

So, what chip are they using? Not that it matters if it sounds good, just curious.

[shizzaq]

Am I the only one not interested in the amp modeling and planning to sell my M13 for the HD500 just because of the extra tweakablity? I really like the built in expression pedal with the Toe Jack that can click it back and forth between a volume pedal and a wah pedal. I also like the ability to have more than one effect tied to a single switch. I think the Amp models could be something I could get interested in for recording. I love the way real amps sound in the room but recorded I can't tell much difference between the real thing and the models built into Logic 9.

[jetdriver]

Hi Rich,

Maybe you can answer my question. I'm looking thru the manual but having trouble definitively answering my own question.

I am considering getting an HD500 and running it into the loop return of my Mesa Stiletto head (bypass the pre). Can I run it this way, and still send a signal to the PA? This would be good live because I can use my amp/cab onstage as a monitor and also run thru the FOH for the rest.

[Soler]

Rich one question regarding the pod HD500. Can I disable all the amp and cab blocks in a setling from the setup menu??

I would like to have all my patches setup with AMP sims, but in case in a certain gig I prefer to run them in front of a tube amp to, be able to disable everything but the fx. Is it possible?

Thanks and kudos to Line 6!

[emux2]

The HD400 has a switch that will allow left out to be cab and mic sim while the right out is running with out the mic sim. I looked through the 500 manual and it doesn't seem to have the same option.

[Soler]

The HD400 has a switch that will allow left out to be cab and mic sim while the right out is running with out the mic sim. I looked through the 500 manual and it doesn't seem to have the same option.

Is that possible??? In that case I don´t want the 500!!

[mouzer]

Hey Rich,

Could you shed a little light on how the USB I/O will work out? Is there any easy way to reamp without using an addition interface?

[jetdriver]

Is that possible??? In that case I don´t want the 500!!

I'm pretty sure that the 500 does all that the other versions do, plus some.

I believe that function is menu driven, as there is no dedicated switch.

[Minski86]

I don't know if this has been answered yet, but will it have delay spill-over when switching from patch to patch?

[mouzer]

I don't know if this has been answered yet, but will it have delay spill-over when switching from patch to patch?

For real! I just assumed it did!

[Gasp100]

Rich one question regarding the pod HD500. Can I disable all the amp and cab blocks in a setling from the setup menu??

I would like to have all my patches setup with AMP sims, but in case in a certain gig I prefer to run them in front of a tube amp to, be able to disable everything but the fx. Is it possible?

Thanks and kudos to Line 6!

I believe I saw in one of the vids that there is a dedicated button that will disengage the amps/cabs globally (something like an FX only button?). I think the RP1000 has that function as well. Check the main vids on the Line6 site. If so, that is huge and another well thought out component imho.

[DaveNJ]

There's already an update to the firmware the 500 is shipping with which adds this:

• Added per-preset Trails on/off

Is that what you're referring to?

I don't know if this has been answered yet, but will it have delay spill-over when switching from patch to patch?

[DallasD]

After reading the manuals and installing the 400 editor to gauge the deep dive options, I now prefer the yet to be released POD HD 435! :hide :D

Man, I want just a bit more than the HD 400 features, but nowhere near the flexibility of the 500. According to the 400 editor, you can only have the FX loop be post FX1 and pre FX2/3 (with the pre/post setting for the loop only putting it before or after the amp model). If this is the actual behavior, that is way too limiting and a major concern IMO.

For me, in considering the 500, it is getting back to the "ignore what you don't need" mentality that I tend to avoid.

[gurumonkey]

For real! I just assumed it did!

the manual says that it will allow trails when turning off the delay, but not spillover when switching patches.

[gurumonkey]

Has anyone found out what the USB I/O will be like?

it sucks my friend. you get the stereo feed and that's it.

i think you could also set up the spidf to send dry at the same time, but it won't send a dry signal at the same time as the stereo.

[gurumonkey]

for the record, i don't like the gain control for the xlr on the x3. it looks the same. sigh. i wonder if they have an upgraded component? please?

[mouzer]

*Sigh* are you sure? I thought the previous X3 had an 8 channel USB interface that included the dry tracks?

I guess it's not a major deal breaker but it would be kind of a shame if HD has a relatively crippled USB interface. It would be really nice if all we needed was the HD for tracking both affected and dry tracks, as well as sending dry tracks out to it for reamping. It would also be nice for the Aux/Mic to be their own discrete I/O channels that could be selected from the DAW while leaving a dual tone rig intact.

A man can dream, I guess :D

[gurumonkey]

yea man, read the whole thing. i started a separate thread talking about the differences (especially things i'll miss) from x3 live to hd 500.

[edeibler]

I don't know if this has been answered yet, but will it have delay spill-over when switching from patch to patch?

Yes (it's in the manual), and if I remember correctly I believe this is a global function.

[Guitar Vilain]

Yes (it's in the manual), and if I remember correctly I believe this is a global function.

This information is incorrect.

Advanced Guide, Page 2-3:
"Note that the Trails feature does not provide a “spillover” of the FX decay when changing Presets."

[toelessfoot]

I was just reading the manual and noticed that the HD500 has a 48 sec looper but only in 'half time' mode, so it's 24 secs normal. This is actually less than the M13's 28 secs in normal mode.

The HD300 and 400 don't have a half time mode so they're stuck at 24secs.

FYI

[gurumonkey]

anyone know if they're still using hot glue to hold the footswitch assembly to the pcb board?

[lilbman]

No delay or reverb spillover during preset change is definitely a deal breaker for me.
It's the little things like that that leave a bad taste in my mouth. Inexcusable Line6.
3 x's the dsp and you couldn't include delay spillover again during preset change.
Feature creep is great but not if you leave out the necessities.

[OverDriven]

No delay or reverb spillover during preset change is definitely a deal breaker for me.
It's the little things like that that leave a bad taste in my mouth. Inexcusable Line6.
3 x's the dsp and you couldn't include delay spillover again during preset change.
Feature creep is great but not if you leave out the necessities.

Why do people refuse to read? It CAN do spillover and they already released an update to make the spillover switchable per patch.

[kleydj13]

I've been following this loosely for a little while with some amusement. I could see myself giving the HD300 a shot some day in the next year, but I'd like to try it out quite a bit before I figure it out. For some reason there seems to be some unique buzz associated with the POD HD lineup so far. Kind of an odd combination of the general modeller debate and their ability to cop real tube amps and whether or not it will push the bar to near axe-fx levels for much less $.

I'm particularly amazed at the reasons people list for why they absolutely will or will not buy one of these products.

I am excited to see how the next generation of POD performs and I hope it pushes the boundaries. I think the innovation invested in some of these products is really great for us - the players. Pick the tool that works best for you in your budget, whether that's a Squire CV and a Fender BJR, a klon and a Dumble, Axe-FX, or a POD HD. The more options we all have the better IMO.

[lilbman]

Why do people refuse to read? It CAN do spillover and they already released an update to make the spillover switchable per patch.

Preciate ya!

[kiki_90291]

Why do people refuse to read? It CAN do spillover and they already released an update to make the spillover switchable per patch.

I think they want spillover between patches, not just within a patch

[Sammo]

I was just reading the manual and noticed that the HD500 has a 48 sec looper but only in 'half time' mode, so it's 24 secs normal. This is actually less than the M13's 28 secs in normal mode.

The HD300 and 400 don't have a half time mode so they're stuck at 24secs.

FYI

This truly sucks!!

Combined with the choice of amp models (I want Dumble, dammit), I'll stay with M13/Ethos combo for now.

[mouzer]

First review!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Oyw2WtJlA

In portuguese :\

[journo]

Best thing is to experience it yourself and see if it works for you.


I always do!! Surprised when people don't.

/Mats N

[tochiro]

It's still unclear to me how to plug 2 guitars at the same time and play one or the other on stage alternatively. The AUX input is said to be for a second guitar so that should be possible.

It would have been great if Line6 had designed a few connection diagrams showing several examples...

[journo]

Read the Advanced Manuals for all 3 units and what really put me off the 300 and 400 is the lack of flexibility in the handling of FX. Seems like you can have 4 FX simultaneously BUT the FX belongs to specific FX groups so if you want to use 2 different fx att the same time but they belong to the same FX group it's impossible.

For example, IRL I often use a compressor into an OD for some flavours of dirt. This is impossible with the HD400 as all the compressors and ODs belong to FX Group 1.

Seems like HD500 is the only unit of the 3 that uses dynamic DSP resource allocation to get around this.

Good thing the HD500 is not that much more expensive than the HD400.

Cheers,

Mats N

[mouzer]

I was just reading the manual and noticed that the HD500 has a 48 sec looper but only in 'half time' mode, so it's 24 secs normal. This is actually less than the M13's 28 secs in normal mode.


That's a bummer! Is there a difference in audio quality if you use the looper at half speed?

Whats the likelihood we could get a mix and pan controls on the looper? Or maybe the ability to move the looper with a mix control into a parallel path? I would be cool to have the loop coming out of one side with the live signal coming out the other, to simulate two guitarists.

[Vettavillenl]

The preamp of the DT50 is the same modeling system as the HD500. If you run the HD500 through a tube power amp then you are basically creating your own DT50, but with far more amps and effects.

You're missing a great advantage of the DT50 with a POD HD.
It re-configures the analog parts and matches it to the amp you've selected in the POD HD. That will give you the selected amp.

In your scenaria, yes, you can pick all the amps in POD HD and power them through the power amp, but the feel and reactions (and colourchange depending on what poweramp you choose) will be that of the poweramp combined with the POD HD. It's different..

I've used the POD HD into a Spider Valve MkII poweramp in, and yes thats a good way, but definitive different as to doing the same thing through a DT50 via L6 LINK.

But sure it doable and will give you what you want. I'm just trying to point out that DT50 and POD HD are an unique combination..

Good Times
- Hans

[Brick_top]

First review!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Oyw2WtJlA

In portuguese :\

Not really a review since the guy works for line6

[Vettavillenl]

Can you use the tuner while the looper is on??? (Unlike the m13?)

no, you can't

[Vettavillenl]

Rich one question regarding the pod HD500. Can I disable all the amp and cab blocks in a setling from the setup menu??

I would like to have all my patches setup with AMP sims, but in case in a certain gig I prefer to run them in front of a tube amp to, be able to disable everything but the fx. Is it possible?

Thanks and kudos to Line 6!

I'm not Rich :rotflmao, but I'll answer anyway.

Yes and no..

You van disable the ampblock(s) on everypatch, or when starting from scratch don't fill it up. You can assign this globally. (I guess that would be akward since it a guitarprocessor).

You can also toggle an amp or amps or fx on/off within a patch with a fs of your choice.

Hope it helps
- Hans

[Axe-Man]

Read the Advanced Manuals for all 3 units and what really put me off the 300 and 400 is the lack of flexibility in the handling of FX. Seems like you can have 4 FX simultaneously BUT the FX belongs to specific FX groups so if you want to use 2 different fx att the same time but they belong to the same FX group it's impossible.

For example, IRL I often use a compressor into an OD for some flavours of dirt. This is impossible with the HD400 as all the compressors and ODs belong to FX Group 1.

Seems like HD500 is the only unit of the 3 that uses dynamic DSP resource allocation to get around this.

Good thing the HD500 is not that much more expensive than the HD400.

Cheers,

Mats N

This is problematic as I frequently use comp + dist on my M13 or EQ + OD which all are in the same FX group of the M13...maybe it's similar in the 300 and 400.

I guess if it sounds great 'as is' without X3 levels of tweaking, I'll still go for the HD 300...but if it needs tweaks it's unfortunately the HD 500...and the $400 AUD difference will make me look much harder at the 500's abilities.

I'm not overawed with any of the tones (vids sounded terrible - and for reference, I've heard plenty of great Youtube vids that are drool worthy) I've heard so far but it does sound better than the X3.

For me personally, the HD series will need a solid jump in their abilites as I just run a demo this arvo through my power amps with the Eleven Rack and the UX2...man the difference is marked.

The 11R killed it in high gain, clean, crunch...

A HD300 would be a great grab and go unit for me if it was around the 11R level...better is always good but from what I've heard so far, I'm not overly optimistic.

[Vettavillenl]

It's still unclear to me how to plug 2 guitars at the same time and play one or the other on stage alternatively. The AUX input is said to be for a second guitar so that should be possible.

It would have been great if Line6 had designed a few connection diagrams showing several examples...

On the HD500 you can select the input of the first or second input path, save it per patch.

cheers
- Hans

[Soler]

I'm not Rich :rotflmao, but I'll answer anyway.

Yes and no..

You van disable the ampblock(s) on everypatch, or when starting from scratch don't fill it up. You can assign this globally. (I guess that would be akward since it a guitarprocessor).

You can also toggle an amp or amps or fx on/off within a patch with a fs of your choice.

Hope it helps
- Hans

Thank you very much Hans. So, the way to go for me would be to maybe create 2 setlist. One with amp blocks and one identical but without it, right?

[tochiro]

Hans, you're helpful. Thanks.

[Pietro]

It's becoming clear that the HD500 is the only unit for people who ask and answer loads of questions on forums like these. I'm glad that's the one I pre-ordered.

[tatkovladko]

The rationalizations of OverDriven and Vettavillenl make me think about the redundancy of preamps between the HD and DT50. Somehow I feel those 2 tubes Line6 mentioned in the preamp stage of the DT50 are there for a good reason. Not that I'd have any use of a 4x12 and a head in my living room, though... :rotflmao

^The omission of loadable IRs is kind of unfortunate. Even for the Axe-Fx which I bet has plenty good factory IRs, a lot of users opt for external IRs. In my hands and ears IRs are fantastic toneshapers, so the more options - the better.

Today's the international day of music it seems - cheers to all who are involved in music making ;)

[Publicmonkey87]

Has anybody ordered from andertons.co.uk? My HD500 has apparently been dispatched this morning.

[Bussman]

T...Somehow I feel those 2 tubes Line6 mentioned in the preamp stage of the DT50 are there for a good reason...

Marketing? Just a guess, there could be other reasons... <smile>

[DallasD]

Read the Advanced Manuals for all 3 units and what really put me off the 300 and 400 is the lack of flexibility in the handling of FX. Seems like you can have 4 FX simultaneously BUT the FX belongs to specific FX groups so if you want to use 2 different fx att the same time but they belong to the same FX group it's impossible.

For example, IRL I often use a compressor into an OD for some flavours of dirt. This is impossible with the HD400 as all the compressors and ODs belong to FX Group 1.

Seems like HD500 is the only unit of the 3 that uses dynamic DSP resource allocation to get around this.

Good thing the HD500 is not that much more expensive than the HD400.

Cheers,

Mats N

+1 - this constraint almost forces you to use the FX loop for a single pedal of the type you can't get "two at once" with the built in FX.

I see where they were going with the 300 and 400 and making them simpler, but the 400 should have been able to put any FX type in any FX block with a fully flexible loop location.

[OverDriven]

You're missing a great advantage of the DT50 with a POD HD.
It re-configures the analog parts and matches it to the amp you've selected in the POD HD. That will give you the selected amp.

In your scenaria, yes, you can pick all the amps in POD HD and power them through the power amp, but the feel and reactions (and colourchange depending on what poweramp you choose) will be that of the poweramp combined with the POD HD. It's different..

I've used the POD HD into a Spider Valve MkII poweramp in, and yes thats a good way, but definitive different as to doing the same thing through a DT50 via L6 LINK.

But sure it doable and will give you what you want. I'm just trying to point out that DT50 and POD HD are an unique combination..

Good Times
- Hans

I hear what you're saying, but there are plenty of tube power amps out there that can switch class A/class AB and pentode/triode with a MIDI command. Mesa is a good example.

[Vettavillenl]

Thank you very much Hans. So, the way to go for me would be to maybe create 2 setlist. One with amp blocks and one identical but without it, right?

You could, there's also another option.

You can select combo front or combo poweramp and leave them on.

When you're always using the same amp you'll dial in focus, lows and lhighs and you're set to go aswell.

Regards
- Hans

[Vettavillenl]

Hans, you're helpful. Thanks.

Thank you, glad to have some use in this life;)

regards
- Hans

[mcmurray]

One question - are all channels modelled for each amplifier?

For example, if I want to use the Mesa Rec model and play the lead channel followed by the clean channel, can I do this?

[Vettavillenl]

The rationalizations of OverDriven and Vettavillenl make me think about the redundancy of preamps between the HD and DT50. Somehow I feel those 2 tubes Line6 mentioned in the preamp stage of the DT50 are there for a good reason. Not that I'd have any use of a 4x12 and a head in my living room, though... :rotflmao

^The omission of loadable IRs is kind of unfortunate. Even for the Axe-Fx which I bet has plenty good factory IRs, a lot of users opt for external IRs. In my hands and ears IRs are fantastic toneshapers, so the more options - the better.

Today's the international day of music it seems - cheers to all who are involved in music making ;)

I'm sure you understood already. But the DT50 itself doesn't need the POD HD, It's an amp of its own and uses all the bulbs inside..

Cheers
- Hans

[Gasp100]

I can on my DROID X. Naannaannaaannn..... LOL.

I know, I know... but IPOD and IPAD peeps are in the same boat I guess? I think not having a mobile flash player for BB and Apple is a huge mistake.

[Vettavillenl]

One question - are all channels modelled for each amplifier?

For example, if I want to use the Mesa Rec model and play the lead channel followed by the clean channel, can I do this?

No, it's one specific channels that is being modeled, not all channels. In case of the Mesa it's the lead channel, so it's without the clean clannel, it goes as clean as the real leadchannel does...

- Hans

[travisvwright]

I doubt this. It has 10 times the processing power of the X3Live, and the X3Live ran two signal chains GREAT!While I agree that the X3 was already able to do this so I envision no trouble at all, the 10 times that was said was in relation to the detail of modeling, "models are 10 times more details" or something they haven't claimed a 10 times more powerful DSP. In fact I think one of the engineers in the video says "A little more powerful".

ETA: "Analog Devices came out with another chip which has just a bit more oomph." Kris Daniels at 0:36 granted he is not necessarily comparing to the X3 chip.


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[travisvwright]

Has anyone heard if there's a price drop expected on the M9?

Definitely no drop in price for the M13 or M9. They are products for a very different customer. :)Rich made the same statement when I asked about the DL4 during the M release. He was correct. I don't see a lot of cross over between the M user and an all-in-one floorboard user. Until this guy comes along:

Am I the only one not interested in the amp modeling and planning to sell my M13 for the HD500 just because of the extra tweakablity? I really like the built in expression pedal with the Toe Jack that can click it back and forth between a volume pedal and a wah pedal. I also like the ability to have more than one effect tied to a single switch. I think the Amp models could be something I could get interested in for recording. I love the way real amps sound in the room but recorded I can't tell much difference between the real thing and the models built into Logic 9.

[Vettavillenl]

The quality of the modeling algorythms and the 'density' of tonal charater uses up DSP resourses, also does tonalcomplex FX.

Sometimes you can't use all the FX and amps in the same patch, but with a little creativity (and every guitarist should have that) you can accomplish what you want.

- Hans

[rchiav]

While I agree that the X3 was already able to do this so I envision no trouble at all, the 10 times that was said was in relation to the detail of modeling, "models are 10 times more details" or something they haven't claimed a 10 times more powerful DSP. In fact I think one of the engineers in the video says "A little more powerful".


In the first HD400 video, Andy said "We have roughly 10 times the amount of processing that we had before"

EDIT:
D-C7TbcEglY

Go to the 0:50 mark.

[Gasp100]

In the first HD400 video, Andy said "We have roughly 10 times the amount of processing that we had before"

EDIT:
D-C7TbcEglY

Go to the 0:50 mark.

I would get over the 10x comment. As far as I can discern there are no hard numbers to indicate this new product is "10x as powerful as previous products" lol. But, if it sounds better that is all that matters, right?
I mean on like page 2 of the manual it already states dual amp configs could put you out of the range of the DSP processing limitations and it will reconfigure itself back to using one amp. But, the AxeFX Standard is similar; if you try and create a very processor intensive dual amp rig you could eventually run out of DSP power. You just have to try and balance what you want and need when messing with dual amp configurations + FX.
I think the "silo's" of FX types in the 300 and 400 is pretty standard in units priced in this category across the board. The fact that you can mix and match and double up FX types in the HD500 at it's price point is promising. I don't use FX that much, but for a live rig (setlist/single patch) I'm sure I would line up two drives and a compressor upfront and pretty much everything. It's the difference between having 4 nice "FULL" patches to play through all night, or scrolling through 10-12 patches (ie. one clean, one dirty, one lead, per song).

[rchiav]

I understand what you're saying but if they say it does 10x the processing, I'm not going to tell them they're lying.

But it could very well be that even with 10x the processing power, their models have been improved enough that you could still over run it's capabilities.

[travisvwright]

ETA: "Analog Devices came out with another chip which has just a bit more oomph." Kris Daniels at 0:36 granted he is not necessarily comparing to the X3 chip.



In the first HD400 video, Andy said "We have roughly 10 times the amount of processing that we had before"

Hmm the arguement could be made that in the first clip he was just saying that AD made a chip this summer with a little more oomph than the chip they made last fall which allowed us...

And in the second clip he could have been saying, "We have roughly 10 times more processing to do for each model" as opposed to 10 times the over all processing power.

I would be interested in knowing definatively but really that's secondary to how it sounds and feels.

[Flyin' Brian]

I would be interested in knowing definatively but really that's secondary to how it sounds and feels.

Exactly!! Do we care about how the cork smells or how the wine tastes?

[travisvwright]

Exactly!! Do we care about how the cork smells or how the wine tastes?On the other hand I have somehow experienced joy(and emotion) over the last few weeks just talking about something I still haven't ever seen (in person). And isn't that what life's all about (not the talking in ignorance, but the experience of joy)? The cork is part of the entire experience.

[joaokorb]

sweetwater got hd300 $329 and hd500 $499 on preorder

[mcmurray]

No, it's one specific channels that is being modeled, not all channels. In case of the Mesa it's the lead channel, so it's without the clean clannel, it goes as clean as the real leadchannel does...

- Hans

Thanks.

Disappointing though.

Could this change with future updates?

[huutevar]

sweetwater got hd300 $329 and hd500 $499 on preorder

Maybe Mitch Gallagher will do a review. He usually finds some good tones in whatever he demos.

[Chris Beaver]

my local shop just phoned me they just got 3 hd500,s in stock, I'm picking one up in the next 2 hours and will give it some extensive testing in my studio this evening. ill sort some clips out and post them if anyone is interested

[chewynodoubt]

Maybe Mitch Gallagher will do a review. He usually finds some good tones in whatever he demos.


except for his eleven rack demos....I own an 11r but if I had watched his vids first I would have never ordered one....back on track...I am super excited about the HD500...it's worth the $$$ for the routing options and effects alone...

[huutevar]

my local shop just phoned me they just got 3 hd500,s in stock, I'm picking one up in the next 2 hours and will give it some extensive testing in my studio this evening. ill sort some clips out and post them if anyone is interested

I think everyone is interested!

[djluis48]

my local shop just phoned me they just got 3 hd500,s in stock, I'm picking one up in the next 2 hours and will give it some extensive testing in my studio this evening. ill sort some clips out and post them if anyone is interested

You can bet everyone its interested. :D

[travisvwright]

my local shop just phoned me they just got 3 hd500,s in stock, I'm picking one up in the next 2 hours and will give it some extensive testing in my studio this evening. ill sort some clips out and post them if anyone is interestedI will break TGP rules and follow you from post to post deriding you and slandering your family name if you do not, until I am banned then I will switch my IP and get a new account to continue until I am found out again. Ad infinitum.

:clips:clips

As an aside can someone like GAD please PM me instructions for obfuscating my IP.

[burningyen]

Read the Advanced Manuals for all 3 units and what really put me off the 300 and 400 is the lack of flexibility in the handling of FX. Seems like you can have 4 FX simultaneously BUT the FX belongs to specific FX groups so if you want to use 2 different fx att the same time but they belong to the same FX group it's impossible.

For example, IRL I often use a compressor into an OD for some flavours of dirt. This is impossible with the HD400 as all the compressors and ODs belong to FX Group 1.

Seems like HD500 is the only unit of the 3 that uses dynamic DSP resource allocation to get around this.

Good thing the HD500 is not that much more expensive than the HD400.

Cheers,

Mats N
Yikes, that's the only disappointing thing I've read about these. I was really gassing for the HD300, and the HD500 is too bulky for my board. No compression and fuzz at the same time? Oh well.

[arathorngr]

you can bet everyone its interested. :d

Yes, WE ARE interested. You shouldn't even ask !

:P

[travisvwright]

Thanks.

Disappointing though.

Could this change with future updates?Are you claiming that for a clean sound you perfer a Mesa to a Fender HiWatt etc? Or am I missing something? I see posts all the time, "What amp has Fender cleans with Marshall dirt?" Seems the answer is a DT50 but the HD can do it as well.

[Gasp100]

my local shop just phoned me they just got 3 hd500,s in stock, I'm picking one up in the next 2 hours and will give it some extensive testing in my studio this evening. ill sort some clips out and post them if anyone is interested

Awesome. My Sweetwater sales rep told me 11/7 for the HD500... he also mentioned that "THEY" (meaning Sweetwater) were working with the units for at least a month, but cannot put the ads up yet. Here's the email verbatim, take it at face value I guess?

"Certainly, we are working with the new line. We had them in for testing a few weeks ago. Although we cannot put them on the website yet, I can put an order in there for you."
"The first units are due 11/07/10. I have room on the initial order yet. It is 499.99"
"Yes, It sounds better than any previous model that they have put out. Rather than have a huge selection of amps, they focused on 16, and they did a great job."

[Vettavillenl]

Thanks.

Disappointing though.

Could this change with future updates?

Anything sw could chance.

- Hans

[kiki_90291]

my local shop just phoned me they just got 3 hd500,s in stock, I'm picking one up in the next 2 hours and will give it some extensive testing in my studio this evening. ill sort some clips out and post them if anyone is interested

Thanks for the offer, but I'm guessing no one is really very interested in clips. :D

[Soler]

You could, there's also another option.

You can select combo front or combo poweramp and leave them on.

When you're always using the same amp you'll dial in focus, lows and lhighs and you're set to go aswell.

Regards
- Hans

Thank you Hans, I am not sure I get this feature. If I select combo front what happens? It disables all the amp blocks??

[Vettavillenl]

Thank you Hans, I am not sure I get this feature. If I select combo front what happens? It disables all the amp blocks??

No, it changes the output so it matches a poweramp or front of an guitaramp better. It's not the same, but reading your question I thought you may have overlooked it. That's way I gave it as a second option.

Regards
- Hans

[biro]

Its great the Line6 team have addressed the 'not knowing where the amp knobs are set relative to the physical knob' issue by showing also where they were last saved.

But the new DSP limitation seems a worry. Does anyone know if the DSP error can appear whilst playing? or will you always know before you set up your rig?

[travisvwright]

Awesome. My Sweetwater sales rep told me 11/7 for the HD500... he also mentioned that "THEY" (meaning Sweetwater) were working with the units for at least a month, but cannot put the ads up yet. Here's the email verbatim, take it at face value I guess?

"Certainly, we are working with the new line. We had them in for testing a few weeks ago. Although we cannot put them on the website yet, I can put an order in there for you."
"The first units are due 11/07/10. I have room on the initial order yet. It is 499.99"
"Yes, It sounds better than any previous model that they have put out. Rather than have a huge selection of amps, they focused on 16, and they did a great job."I would hope that's a typo and he meant 10/7/10.

[travisvwright]

Someone who's played this. If you switch to a new patch then turn an amp knob down just a touch say from 8-7. Does that lower that value by one or does it set it to 7?

Example. You have one amp set to 10-2-8 then you set another to 4-8-7. When you switch back to the first one and think, "I want the mids one louder" can you turn the mid knob up or do you have to turn it down?

[tochiro]

@biro
It should happen when creating your sound.

This is worrying because we do not exactly know when we'll be faced with such a limitation. If I need to add a reverb and the screen says "Not possible" then I'm stuck.

It would seem logical from a design perspective that the DSP memory should accommodate all the possibilities of the unit. Otherwise why create all those possibilities if the memory may be too small in some cases?

[Groovadile]

it seems that putting a m9 into the hd's effects loop might not be THAT stupid :D

[Gasp100]

I would hope that's a typo and he meant 10/7/10.

I don't think so. I used paypal and he mentioned that after 30 days I might have to resubmit my payment or something like that to make sure it goes through. I should send a follow up note to make it more concrete.

[GuitarTone]

my local shop just phoned me they just got 3 hd500,s in stock, I'm picking one up in the next 2 hours and will give it some extensive testing in my studio this evening. ill sort some clips out and post them if anyone is interested

What a relief, I'm still waiting to hear good Pod 2 clips, and I've been waiting 10 years.

[travisvwright]

I don't think so. I used paypal and he mentioned that after 30 days I might have to resubmit my payment or something like that to make sure it goes through. I should send a follow up note to make it more concrete.Maybe it was a typo on the information given to him? As opposed to between him and you. Seems with them shipping this week taking over a month to get there is a little slow. (Unless all shipments before 11/7/10 are already sold out, which is possible I guess.)

[djluis48]

What a relief, I'm still waiting to hear good Pod 2 clips, and I've been waiting 10 years.

Lol.

[travisvwright]

it seems that putting a m9 into the hd's effects loop might not be THAT stupid :DLol. I can't imgaine a situation where I would want that many effects. Honestly I don't think my brain couldn't handle it.

[rchiav]

@biro
It should happen when creating your sound.

This is worrying because we do not exactly know when we'll be faced with such a limitation. If I need to add a reverb and the screen says "Not possible" then I'm stuck.

It would seem logical from a design perspective that the DSP memory should accommodate all the possibilities of the unit. Otherwise why create all those possibilities if the memory may be too small in some cases?

It's a processing issue, not a memory issue. the logic behind creating the unit this way is that it allows you to have higher quality models. The issue would be that you can't turn on all the most processor intensive items at the same time. The alternative would be to make the models less processor intensive and therefore a lower quality so you could turn everything on at the same time.

[GuitarTone]

It would seem logical from a design perspective that the DSP memory should accommodate all the possibilities of the unit. Otherwise why create all those possibilities if the memory may be too small in some cases?

With respect...any guitarist who needs more FX on a patch than the DSP memory on the HD and Axe-Fx can handle should be banned from playing the guitar.

[Mincer]

Any news on the actual dimensions of the 500? How abouts if there is any exp pedal control over the looper volume?
Btw, I am one of the ones that certainly would max out memory with effects. Maybe someone who knows better should ban me from playing.

[mcmurray]

Are you claiming that for a clean sound you perfer a Mesa to a Fender HiWatt etc? Or am I missing something? I see posts all the time, "What amp has Fender cleans with Marshall dirt?" Seems the answer is a DT50 but the HD can do it as well.

I'm not saying I prefer Mesa cleans, though they definitely have their place. Name me one tune that uses a Dual Rec for the distortion and a Fender for the cleans.

In practice guitarists play a song with one amp, footswitching the channels where necessary. If we want to cop the exact tones used, we can't with the POD.

[GuitarTone]

Any news on the actual dimensions of the 500? How abouts if there is any exp pedal control over the looper volume?
Btw, I am one of the ones that certainly would max out memory with effects. Maybe someone who knows better should ban me from playing.

Well, it's also got an FX loop where you can have a whole bunch of your other pedals if you need them, so no need to max out the HD memory.