Blues Jr. Best band Fender can offer!

[serviviente7]

I must confess that i am a fender fan. I love their amps and have many of them but in my opinion the blues jr. has to be one of the best amps for the money. I mean this amps drips tone! It is almost impossible to get a bad tone. It is fantastic to record with, it has excellent SRV tones, takes pedals well and best of all you can have one used for about $300.00. I have not tried the new Blues Jr. but i am pretty happy with my original. NO gas for a "new" version.

[topboost]

I brought my US made era BJ into the music store on the weeked to A/B against a brown tolex (not the latest mkIII) BJ, a princeton reissue and a pro junior. I walked out really happy that I had one of the original versions. I don't need the high end the next generation has. Way too brittle for me and it seemed to have lost the unique tone the original version has. The PJ was intersting, but I don't know if I would use that tone enough to warrant owning one. Sure is nice and small though! The princeton isn't my bag.

[caspersvapors]

i bought a blues jr and returned it the next day, didnt like it one bit

[remocity]

i bought a blues jr and returned it the next day, didnt like it one bit

New version 3 or old one?

[Guitarman19853]

I was so impressed by the (old model, not III) NOS Tweed Jr when trying out guitars on it in a GC that I finally decided to buy one. I definitely didn't connect with the stock one like I did the Tweed. The Jensen speaker definitely made a huge difference.

However I've always tried it at low volumes in the store so hopefully it will hold up when I turn it up. The Jr is being shipped right now with ETA of tomorrow.

On my last visit to a GC though, I went into the amp room to try a Marshall Class 5, and being unable to crank it up enough to sound good, I switched the guitar over to the Egnater Tweaker combo next to it. I was even more blown away by that little amp... I really hope the Jr meets my expectations, because the Tweaker definitely just came in and stirred the pot again.

[caspersvapors]

New version 3 or old one?

this was like 2 years ago, so I guess version ii, this was the tweed one also. sounded ok in the store. then when I played it with my 57 strat I could not get any sparkle or chime out of it at all

[OnlyVees]

Nice to see some good feedback on the forums. My (creme board Gen 1) Blues Junior is in the mail.

I'm going to try really hard to just play through it, and enjoy the amp for what it is. ;)

Of course Billm mods are just a PayPal transaction away... :bonk

[Kitten Cannon]

My favorite BJr mod is the "realistic reverb" mod - you know, the one where you drop it off of the edge of a cliff. The reverberation you hear just after it hits the ground is SO much more realistic than the spring reverb on those things. The tone gets better too.

[Garygtr]

My favorite BJr mod is the "realistic reverb" mod - you know, the one where you drop it off of the edge of a cliff. The reverberation you hear just after it hits the ground is SO much more realistic than the spring reverb on those things. The tone gets better too.

:rotflmao girl you funny!

[Guitarman19853]

I was so impressed by the (old model, not III) NOS Tweed Jr when trying out guitars on it in a GC that I finally decided to buy one. I definitely didn't connect with the stock one like I did the Tweed. The Jensen speaker definitely made a huge difference.


Follow up: Just got the NOS Tweed Jr today and am reminded why I loved this amp in the store. Sounds incredible! And I know what it is that the Jensen C12N adds, it's chime. It has that VOX flavor because of it and that has to be why I love it.

[serviviente7]

i bought a blues jr and returned it the next day, didnt like it one bit

wow...i can not get a bad tone out of this thing! strat or les paul...it rocks!

[groovetube]

My favorite BJr mod is the "realistic reverb" mod - you know, the one where you drop it off of the edge of a cliff. The reverberation you hear just after it hits the ground is SO much more realistic than the spring reverb on those things. The tone gets better too.


LOL.


there are a lot of better amps, better tones out there.

a used peavey classic 30/50, anyone?

[Guitar Dave T]

Agreed the Blues Jr is a great amp, probably the best "old school" amp Fender has produced in 35 years.

But while the C12n Jensen sounds good at low to moderate volumes, it just flaps out at band volume, giving the amp a boxy tone. Same thing with the original stock Emi.

For my money and from my experience, any of the following speakers KILLS in this amp:

Celestion G12 H30 - The cheap, Chinese one, not the high-$ Heritage G12H. But you have to break this speaker in for a while to get it to give up the goods. This is my favorite speaker for this amp.

Celestion V30 - I've got a 16+ year old, well broken in version of this speaker and it surprised the hell out of me how good it fits, sonically.

Warehouse Guitar Speakers ET-65 - Celestion G1265 Clone. Incredibly dynamic and touch-sensitive. Has a crispness that blends well with its warmth when driven hard.

Eminence C.Rex - Everything you like about the C12N tone, but big and full sounding, w/no farting out on the bass notes.

Actually, this amp sounds great with just about any speaker OTHER than the stockers.

[OnlyVees]

Great post, Dave. Thank you.

Any suggestions from the Weber camp?

[groovetube]

just a question, that's all...............................does anyone think a fender blues jr is "boxy" sounding in stock form????????? just curious.

[Average Joe]

Dave T's point about the speakers might well be why I eventually sold mine - I liked it at low to medium volume. Totally happening sound with both humbuckers and singlecoils. Wind it up all the way however and the thing farted and sounded like wet cardboard being torn. Boxy to a fault. In the end i didn't play it enough at the low volume where it sounded good. Loved the portability and low vol sound

[Guitarman19853]

I wound it up pretty good last night, but I'll definitely spend some more time with it tonight.

A couple points I guess that I should mention about what I do with it...

I run the amp right at the edge of break up, so it's still very clean. I use OD's to get the drive. Last night I ran the master full up and the volume about 5-6. This got me where I needed to be to use the pedals. I didn't notice a boxy sound to it.

I mainly bought this as a rehearsal amp so the high volume thing doesn't apply. My main rig is an AxeFx and sometimes I just don't feel like carrying everything I need to use that rig to rehearsal.

Finally, (I guess this goes with the last one about volume too) if I would ever gig with this amp, it would be mic'd no matter what anyways so I wouldn't need to wind it up all the way to be heard.

So for my application, boxy sounding at high volumes isn't ever going to be an issue.

[GCDEF]

wow...i can not get a bad tone out of this thing! strat or les paul...it rocks!

Whatever you're smoking, please pass it around. :crazyguy

The BJ is one of the worst sounding, most overpriced pieces of junk I've ever owned.

[Unadan]

^A little extreme maybe? Its certainly not the greatest amp out there but its decent for what it does - primarily nice clean tones. All or nothing statements like that strain credibility. However I will say I had one for years and really never bonded with it. I swapped tubes and put a Vintage 30 speaker in it - still wasn't doing it for me. Traded it towards another Fender amp last weekend.

[larimar]

I wanted one when they first came out but all the ones I tried had one or more of the issues people were complaining about them having at the time. I ended up buying a used PV C30 and haven't looked back since......well I have taken a peek here and there, especially when they came out with the tweed version with Jensen speaker but never took the plunge.

[GCDEF]

^A little extreme maybe? Its certainly not the greatest amp out there but its decent for what it does - primarily nice clean tones. All or nothing statements like that strain credibility. However I will say I had one for years and really never bonded with it. I swapped tubes and put a Vintage 30 speaker in it - still wasn't doing it for me. Traded it towards another Fender amp last weekend.

That's my opinion of it. Passable cleans, but just about every amp has passable cleans. Really raspy, harsh, unmusical distortion. All or nothing or not, it really was one of the worst sounding amps I've ever heard. For the same money or less, there are so many good sounding amps out there.

[Billm]

Yes, I think the Blues Junior is boxy-sounding in stock form. The bass is constrained and the overall clean tone is somewhat nasal and mids-focused. This actually works well in a lot of band settings. I like the distinctive clang of the BJr as a rhythm amp. Fender's decision to limit the bass response helps get maximum cutting power out of 15 watts.

But a couple of tweaks to the tone stack makes it behave much more like a blackface Fender while retaining its tweed/Hot Rod flavor. It becomes more useful for solo work, with bass-supported clean lines and creamier overdrive tones.

[Guitar Dave T]

That's my opinion of it. Passable cleans, but just about every amp has passable cleans. Really raspy, harsh, unmusical distortion. All or nothing or not, it really was one of the worst sounding amps I've ever heard. For the same money or less, there are so many good sounding amps out there.

Granted, I've only owned two, but both sounded anything BUT raspy, harsh or unmusical. Of course, mine were/are both upgraded to JJ tubes and better speakers. I really HATE the stock Eminence speaker the black ones come with, and find the Jensens in the tweed versions to be totally useless for live gigging.

[franksguitar]

I have a Blues Jr. and also have a Traynor 15 watt YCV20WR with a Celestion greenback that blows the Jr. away. The Jr. sits in my garage collecting dust

[topboost]

See, for me, I hate the traditional fender deluxe, blackface, etc. tone. Super tight, scooped mids, lot's of bottom and top, doesn't work with the music I play and like to listen to. My blues junior is a greenboard version, original speaker, a 12au7 or something in V1 to give it a little more headroom and it's great. I don't get the boxy thing. Brown, yes, but I can get some pretty convincing voxish tones out of this thing and there's more than enough high end with my teles and rick. And the bass is almost off at high volumes. Hate lot's of bottom end on guitars anyway. That's what a bass guitar is for.
It was my main gigging amp for years(rhythm guitar).
If you're looking for traditional Fender tones you're going to be dissapointed and spending a lot of dough to get it to do that. It doesn't even have the right tubes for that.

[MusicCityLeather]

i like the hot rod deville better honestly

[Catoogie]

I must confess that i am a fender fan. I love their amps and have many of them but in my opinion the blues jr. has to be one of the best amps for the money. I mean this amps drips tone! It is almost impossible to get a bad tone. It is fantastic to record with, it has excellent SRV tones, takes pedals well and best of all you can have one used for about $300.00. I have not tried the new Blues Jr. but i am pretty happy with my original. NO gas for a "new" version.

I think they sound congested and small compared to the Pro Jr.

[Redlined]

i like the hot rod deville better honestly

That's an odd comparison IMO. If we're comparing 40-50 watters I'll take my SF Super Reverb, but for playing at home I really like the little BJ. Mine is a first year model, USA made green board I guess. I generally play it at low-med volumes. With the boost switch on and the pre turned way up it's a little boxy. I prefer getting a nice on the edge clean, then using pedals to get me what I need, the BJ takes pedals really well IMO.
At any rate, I like the sounds I get from mine, I've considered mods, speakers and such, but I've never changed mine. It's been 100% reliable too.

[serviviente7]

Whatever you're smoking, please pass it around. :crazyguy

The BJ is one of the worst sounding, most overpriced pieces of junk I've ever owned.

I respect your opinion but let me say that i am not smoking anything. In my hands this amp sounds very good, especially considering that you can get it used for about $300.00. To be fair this amp can not be compared with a boutique amp but then again its hard to get a boutique 15 watter amp for around $300.00. Having said that it is not my fault that you can not get good tone out of this amp. Different strokes for different folks. If it was such a piece of junk why did you owned it? Maybe you tried while smoking, bought it and then returned it. Now pass that joint!:crazyguy

[rsm]

I dig my Blues Jr. Only non-Vox amp I own. Mine is a bit different though ;)

http://i975.photobucket.com/albums/ae235/RicFanBoi/FenderDecoTone.jpg

[Unadan]

That's my opinion of it. Passable cleans, but just about every amp has passable cleans.

Of course YMMV on the amp itself. ^I actually disagree with this. You can go to GC and fire up any amp modeling line6 solid state and get passable distorted sounds - not passable cleans in my opinion. A great amp HAS to start with great cleans as a base/minimum in my opinion. The BJr. has good/decent cleans but just doesn't overdrive to my liking.

Although now that I think about it my Marshall Mk 2 Lead (50 watt 1980 combo) only sounds good fully cranked - the cleans are nothing to write home about. :huh

[guitar1965]

Yes, I think the Blues Junior is boxy-sounding in stock form. The bass is constrained and the overall clean tone is somewhat nasal and mids-focused. This actually works well in a lot of band settings. I like the distinctive clang of the BJr as a rhythm amp. Fender's decision to limit the bass response helps get maximum cutting power out of 15 watts.

But a couple of tweaks to the tone stack makes it behave much more like a blackface Fender while retaining its tweed/Hot Rod flavor. It becomes more useful for solo work, with bass-supported clean lines and creamier overdrive tones.

I have a NOS Blues Junior - bought it used on Ebay / cream board. I've always loved this amp. Yeah it has some "boxiness" and had some unusable overdrive. I took it to my amp guy and we made some upgrades that have started to make a huge difference:
- Upgraded the output and power transformers
- Tubes in amp now: JJ EL84's / V1 - GT12AX7, V2 - NOS GE12AX7, V3 - JJ12AX7
- Kept the Jensen C12-N speaker
- board completely gone over, re-soldered

I could not believe difference after the transformers upgrade. More articulate, sounds like a huge amp, the overdrive is more usable but I mainly use pedals. For the money and for certain applications, this is a great amp. I like a lot of warm, bottom end, so this amp does still lack in that area, but it's a little better now. I can even hear the difference with the two guitars I use.

[amberzombie]

I'm sure the american versions are brilliant.

sadly i had the mexican version and it was terrible, reliability-wise so i sold it

[GCDEF]

I have a NOS Blues Junior - bought it used on Ebay / cream board. I've always loved this amp. Yeah it has some "boxiness" and had some unusable overdrive. I took it to my amp guy and we made some upgrades that have started to make a huge difference:
- Upgraded the output and power transformers
- Tubes in amp now: JJ EL84's / V1 - GT12AX7, V2 - NOS GE12AX7, V3 - JJ12AX7
- Kept the Jensen C12-N speaker
- board completely gone over, re-soldered

I could not believe difference after the transformers upgrade. More articulate, sounds like a huge amp, the overdrive is more usable but I mainly use pedals. For the money and for certain applications, this is a great amp. I like a lot of warm, bottom end, so this amp does still lack in that area, but it's a little better now. I can even hear the difference with the two guitars I use.

How much did that cost you?

[campfirehero]

I used to have the limited tweed nos, and later bought one here that was modded by BillM. The BillM mods really open the amp up, but it still sounds like a blues junior. I thought the stock older cream board model sounded good for it's size.

The peavey classic 30 is another contender, especially when it overdrives but it's cleans can't touch a fender blues junior so that's the tradeoff..

Of course after trying and buying a DRRI, I can't go back to the junior...

[guitar1965]

How much did that cost you?

Yeah I know, was it really worth it and you can buy a better amp for the money you spent!
But I got it used for about half the cost of what they were new at the time. And I've put a few hundred dollars into it. That's because I don't trust myself to do the work! The guy who did the work on the amp is awesome, but is not cheap. As you know those parts are not real costly.

And for what it's worth - the Blues Junior is NOT one of the worst sounding, over priced amps out there. There are worse. To me, it's not worth dropping a couple grand for some of the "overpriced" boutique amps out there, not for my amateur lifestyle. :D

[GCDEF]

To me, it's not worth dropping a couple grand for some of the "overpriced" boutique amps out there, not for my amateur lifestyle. :D

I agree with you on that one.

[The Kid]

My favorite BJr mod is the "realistic reverb" mod - you know, the one where you drop it off of the edge of a cliff. The reverberation you hear just after it hits the ground is SO much more realistic than the spring reverb on those things. The tone gets better too.


I'd be happy to do that mod for free if anyone needs it. I'm not a fan of the Blues Jr's at all. They sound really boxy to me.

IMO The Ampeg J20 Jet reissue kills the Blues Jr for a small grab & go. I ended up with two of them when they were selling new for the $299 blowout price. I initially bought it as a practice amp, but it sounded so good that I started gigging it.

We would occasionally use our grab & go amps for small gigs in a blues band that I was in. The other cat was using a Blues Jr and he was getting buried by my unmic'd J20.

We ended up having to mic him while I had my (unmic'd) J20 Jet at 3 on the volume knob. I actually had to turn down. He ended up buying a Jet the following week.

I sold one of my J20's to another buddy that was fed up with his Blues Jr when I got my /13. He A/B'd them and he was just shaking his head and laughing at how much better the J20 sounded, and how much better it took pedals.

I have some sound clips of live gigs of the J20 in action on my sound click page in my sig. Go to the track description for gear info if you're interested.

[Kitten Cannon]

I convinced a buddy who was looking for amps when they were blowing out J20s to try one out. It was in those last few days so it was sort of a call around and see what they tell you deal. I ordered mine and the store backed out and sold it to a real life person about 18 hours later, after all the rest of them had been sold. My buddy got one shipped to his door. I haven't heard it yet, but he loves it. And I have no J20. Boo hoo. Not that it matters, though - for me the ultimate amp in that category (form factor/wattage, not necessarily price) is a Goodsell Super 17 Mk III. Slightly lighter, same size, same power, MUCH BETTER everything else. I do a pretty fair amount of gigging with mine.

[The Kid]

I convinced a buddy who was looking for amps when they were blowing out J20s to try one out. It was in those last few days so it was sort of a call around and see what they tell you deal. I ordered mine and the store backed out and sold it to a real life person about 18 hours later, after all the rest of them had been sold. My buddy got one shipped to his door. I haven't heard it yet, but he loves it. And I have no J20. Boo hoo. Not that it matters, though - for me the ultimate amp in that category (form factor/wattage, not necessarily price) is a Goodsell Super 17 Mk III. Slightly lighter, same size, same power, MUCH BETTER everything else. I do a pretty fair amount of gigging with mine.

No doubt. Those Goodsell's are beast! It's just that I was floored at how good that Ampeg sounded for $299 shipped.

I always throw the J20 out there because I know a few cats that replaced their Blues Jr's with them and have been incredibly happy about it.

Man, it kills me that you still have my quote up. You're making me feel famous. :rotflmao

[guitar1965]

No doubt. Those Goodsell's are beast! It's just that I was floored at how good that Ampeg sounded for $299 shipped.

I always throw the J20 out there because I know a few cats that replaced their Blues Jr's with them and have been incredibly happy about it.

Man, it kills me that you still have my quote up. You're making me feel famous. :rotflmao

Oh yeah - I would buy a Goodsell in a second! I've heard the J-20 and it is a great little amp. Economy has hit us pretty hard here, so someday.....

[Kitten Cannon]

No doubt. Those Goodsell's are beast! It's just that I was floored at how good that Ampeg sounded for $299 shipped.

I always throw the J20 out there because I know a few cats that replaced their Blues Jr's with them and have been incredibly happy about it.

Man, it kills me that you still have my quote up. You're making me feel famous. :rotflmao

I may meta-quote you now. I'm too lazy to change it all the time, so it might be up for a while. After all, the quote in my sig right now pretty much sums up my entire outlook on life.

I'm just waiting for someone to say "thank god for fast guitarists that love women" though... when that happens I'll have to quote it too.

[kelvinator60]

The original US made ones are ok, I preferred the Pro Jr. I owned a Pro and did some good recording with it but then the PC board died and I was left with an amp it was cheaper to replace than fix. Tried a newer Blues Jr and they were too trebly for me and I HATED the pots on them. I mean talk about cheapo stuff. Spend some extra money and have David Allen build you a proper amp that will be here making music long after we are gone because it will be quality made. By the time you buy a Blues Jr, do the mods and change the speaker you are into some pretty serious money for what you wind up with.

In the end I guess they are just not the droids I am looking for.

[Guitar Dave T]

Quality issues aside, if you can't get a good tone from a Blues Jr, there's either something seriously wrong with that particular amp or you need to seriously consider quitting.

[Kitten Cannon]

Quality issues aside, if you can't get a good tone from a Blues Jr, there's either something seriously wrong with that particular amp or you need to seriously consider quitting.

Quality issues aside, if you can't get a better tone than a Blues Jr from just about any other tube amp in production, there's either something seriously wrong with that particular amp or you need to seriously consider quitting.


Fixed that for you.

[cap'n'crunch]

Page 3 and no clips yet?

[Hulakatt]

Had one of the v2 BJ's and sold it after a few months. Just couldn't get rid of the boxy sound, even with speaker and tube swaps. Got an Epiphone Electar 30 that was close enough to be a sister for $15 and it blew the bJ away for good!

p.s.
my friend who ended up with my bj finally got rid of some of the boxiness by replacing the cab with a deeper one from Weber and a Weber Sig12.

[Guitar Dave T]

Quality issues aside, if you can't get a better tone than a Blues Jr from just about any other tube amp in production, there's either something seriously wrong with that particular amp or you need to seriously consider quitting.


Fixed that for you.

Thanks jackass. I'm so glad you got my back on that. :boxer

[Guitar Dave T]

Page 3 and no clips yet?


Here ya go. The noodling is pretty annoying, but it's just a living room recording of a Les Paul plugged straight into a Blues Jr with a G12H30 speaker and CRANKED.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/page_songInfo.cfm?bandID=977750&songID=8215490

[jwny72]

With speaker and tube swaps, and mods, I hear these can be made to sound very good. This may very well be true. Enough people seem to think so that's for sure. I had a couple MIM, black tolex Blues Juniors, and they sounded "OK", but not great. They were completely stock, and I just didn't feel like putting the money into them to swap speakers, tubes, etc. etc. I imagined the horror story scenario where I'd be out hundreds of dollars and still not like the way they sounded. So I sold 'em.

[Kitten Cannon]

Thanks jackass. I'm so glad you got my back on that. :boxer

No problem sir. :D

I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[Maruuk]

Midrangey, boxy, no BF glass, breaks up too early, weak bottom end, at best a generic and pleasant little trooper, just b-o-r-i-n-g. My SCXD totally blew it away on all levels, even before the SC upgrade. Put it on the CL block the minute I cranked up the SCXD. And now my Mustang II blows em both away. Je ne regrette rien.

[VJF]

Here's a nice sounding BJr courtesy of our own Otaypanky especially starting around 3:30 min:

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[bluesking55]

naw, had 4 of em,, tried mods etc, like my scxd and classic 30 way better

[Guitar Dave T]

Despite the Blues Jr's relatively low, 15 watts, it is NOT designed to be a bedroom or living room amp, but comes alive at band volume better than most.

And those of you who pan the amp as boxy and average, but have never swapped out the speaker, I guess you're right.

[CDA]

I have a NOS Blues Junior - bought it used on Ebay / cream board. I've always loved this amp. Yeah it has some "boxiness" and had some unusable overdrive. I took it to my amp guy and we made some upgrades that have started to make a huge difference:
- Upgraded the output and power transformers
- Tubes in amp now: JJ EL84's / V1 - GT12AX7, V2 - NOS GE12AX7, V3 - JJ12AX7
- Kept the Jensen C12-N speaker
- board completely gone over, re-soldered

I could not believe difference after the transformers upgrade. More articulate, sounds like a huge amp, the overdrive is more usable but I mainly use pedals. For the money and for certain applications, this is a great amp. I like a lot of warm, bottom end, so this amp does still lack in that area, but it's a little better now. I can even hear the difference with the two guitars I use.

I would switch your V1 and V2.

Only 1 triode is used in V2 and you have your best preamp tube there....

[serviviente7]

Quality issues aside, if you can't get a good tone from a Blues Jr, there's either something seriously wrong with that particular amp or you need to seriously consider quitting.

precisely my experience.....i can't get a bad tone out of this thing. :bonk

[Guitar Dave T]

Lately I've been using a C.Rex in mine and it makes this little amp sound HUGE. Just plug straight in, crank it up, no, CRANK IT UP, and this amp has thump like you wouldn't believe.

[jcbranam]

Lately I've been using a C.Rex in mine and it makes this little amp sound HUGE. Just plug straight in, crank it up, no, CRANK IT UP, and this amp has thump like you wouldn't believe.

So which speaker would you choose for the Bjr, C.Rex or G12H30?

[guitar1965]

I would switch your V1 and V2.

Only 1 triode is used in V2 and you have your best preamp tube there....

Thanks. So put the NOS GE in V! and the GT in V2? What is your recommendation on preamp tubes for the BJ?

[glblues]

here you go.
blues junior with full billm mods, and c rex speaker thru a tokai LP with lollar 50s p90s. tone's rolled off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeaWzgJfs_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du0r1C1mcOU&feature=related

[man_mars]

here you go.
blues junior with full billm mods, and c rex speaker thru a tokai LP with lollar 50s p90s. tone's rolled off

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeaWzgJfs_M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du0r1C1mcOU&feature=related

that sounded pretty good. Sounds like it would take pedals well too. Is a Blues Junior with Blim mods the same tonally as the newer Blues Jr III version ?

Cheers !!!

[Guitar Dave T]

So which speaker would you choose for the Bjr, C.Rex or G12H30?

Good question. Ultimately depends on the application. The G12H30 delivers a crisper tone, though still smooth, and with a nice tight bottom end that makes the amp sound big, not boxy.

Also in the big, not boxy category is the C.Rex,though it's warmer than the G12H30. It really sounds like a well broken in vintage Jensen C12N though with much better power handling. Think what Jensen was aiming for with the K100, though in this case, it's a full out success. Full bodies, rich and warm blues tone with no harshness or muddyness.