1 x 15 combo; anyone running one ... ? [Archive]

Tikirocker

04-21-2005, 09:51 AM

Sounds good Main ... I've just picked up a 72 Fender Vibrotone ( Not Vibratone ) Reverb with original PS-15. From what I hear they are superb speakers that sound amazing for general guitar work. Low lows and shimmering highs seem to be the most common remarks. I know some people prefer 12's for rock due to faster compression but I am somehow looking forward to the open clarity and was curious if anyone was rocking these? :)

dkaplowitz

04-21-2005, 10:01 AM

Originally posted by hogy
they suck.
Cool. I thought I was on Harmony-Central for a second. ;)

TieDyedDevil

04-21-2005, 10:03 AM

I have a homebrew amp that I built around a Jensen P15N reissue. I love it.

http://psg.com/~dlamkins/Articles/amp-1-prototype.php?cat=gear

Tikirocker

04-21-2005, 11:59 AM

Bump ... anyone else?

mlynn02

04-21-2005, 12:05 PM

i'm using a 1x15 as an extension cab for a clean amp. i really like it. seems to enhance quite nicely the 1x12 combo i'm using it with.

BadJaxx

04-21-2005, 03:28 PM

a friend of mine bought the Peavey Delta Blues 1x15 and i was surprised that it sounded very good....loud and punchy...

hasserl

04-21-2005, 05:05 PM

I've got a 1 x 15 combo that sounds great! It is a SE 1 x 6V6 amp with reverb and tremelo that I've tweaked into my own circuit thru a Jensen C15N. It is a kickin' little amp, and is surprisingly loud.

mainsale

04-21-2005, 05:55 PM

Did I neglect to mention my Rambler 15? It's a wonderful amp. It sounds HUGE! Nice woody tone and a GREAT Blues amp!

hawkeyeinexile

04-21-2005, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Tikirocker
How does the lone 15 respond for medium gain guitar work?

this does it

http://www.rjsanders.com/for-sale/Rivera-Duarte/Rivera-Duarte-front.jpg

:cool:

joel

04-21-2005, 08:00 PM

I've got 3 old P15N's, a P15Q, and a P15R. None in combos,
rather home-built cabs. I'm not so into the R, but the Q is a great
speaker for a Champ-class amp, and the N's sound great (to me) with my 10 watt Alessandros and my Z28. Very nice clean, bluesy, and over-driven low-gain-amp tone.

lanesmat

04-21-2005, 08:12 PM

I've played 15"s for much of my guitar work since the late 70s. I have two single cab Altec 418Bs (one open, the other closed back) made in 69'. I'll tell you this, I've had em for 25 years, and I'll never get rid of em':). In fact, I'm bringing the open back 15 cab to the Triangle Tonefest this weekend to show folks just what they're missing. I'll be using it with a Jake combo that has a 12" V30 Celestion.

Don't get me wrong, a 15" doesn't sound like a 12", particularly in the midrange. A 15" has a focused, tight low end and sweet, almost mellow high end. IMO, it gives a certain airiness which I really like.

I think a 15" works good for all of it; sort of a jack of all trades to my ear. I just love its open sound.

For the proverbial "desert island" speaker, I'll take a good 15" anyday. If you find an Altec 418B on fleabay, buy it, try it, and thank me later.

Scott

Relicula

04-22-2005, 06:45 AM

I have a tweed pro, with a Weber 15, it definetely doesnt suck.

Taller

04-22-2005, 06:55 AM

I love my 1-15" loaded Delta Blues. Gigged it for years doing light to medium gain blues and blues flavored rock.
What was really cool was finding a PV Classic 1-15" extension cab to pair it with!:eek:

radialaced

04-22-2005, 07:49 AM

I love my 62 brown pro

Tikirocker

04-22-2005, 07:53 AM

Great info and feedback guys, particularly people running 1 x 15's ... it's definately the medium gain application that I am interested in and how the 15's respond tonally and dynamically across the frequency range.

If anyone wants to elaborate on the performance if the speaker itself within this context I would apreciate it.

Tikirocker

04-22-2005, 08:03 AM

Originally posted by radialaced
I guess I won't mention how much I love my 62 brown pro because somebody around here of very high stature says "they suck":rolleyes:

I'm not put off by that bro ... I already know how killer this amp is. Just curious to find out more about the 15 pushed with gain boxes for medium crunch.

hogy

04-22-2005, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by radialaced
I guess I won't mention how much I love my 62 brown pro because somebody around here of very high stature says "they suck":rolleyes:

So I guess you guys don't agree, heh?

That's the beauty of this game, your stature means nothing. What sounds good to you is good.

To those guys loving their Tweed Pros:
I'm with you, great amp. Too bad about that awful speaker though. Try plugging your Pro into a 2x12 or 4x10 sometime.

It's all good :)

Hogy

sanhozay

04-22-2005, 08:36 AM

Hey, be nice to Hogy. He has wicked cool gear. :dude

hawkeyeinexile

04-22-2005, 08:54 AM

the speaker in my Rivera Duarte combo is an EV. the amp section is a typical River M-100, so channel 2 is very Fendery with a notch to effect tweed-brown & blackface lows & low-mids. channel 1 is more Marshally (power tubes are 4 EL34s). the M/S series of Rivera amps are master volume & have a wide range of gain options, so this thing will go wa-ay beyond medium gain.

eq'ing options can yield flat response or scooped mids or sparkle and chime plus you'll deeper & tighter low-end then with any 1x12 or even 2x10 combination i've heard (but my experience w/2x10 combos & cabs is limited).

btw, the cab behind my pic above is a Jenkins 1x15. i used it with my Komet, Fuchs-mod Bassman 70, and Rivera-era Concert head. tried several speakers in it (Weber Cali, Weber Chicago, etc.), favorite was a Weber Michigan (EV SRO type, which i'm presently using in a Torres combo that Dan built for me that's 19" wide with two baffles, a 12" and a 15". i usually use the 15" with the Michigan. the Torres is a JTM45 circuit with some other stuff i asked for.

:cool:

lhallam

04-22-2005, 09:40 AM

Well I know it's not a combo but I just want an excuse to post this shot of the 1x15 de-tuned I made. I love it, it has a very pleasant full sound and not lacking in any frequencies:

http://members.cox.net/challam1/Olddrippy-1x15-front3.JPG

Occam

04-22-2005, 11:41 AM

I just bought a 1x15 Avatar cab that I'm going to load with an extra Weber Chicago (that I took out of my Matamp 2x15 cab)...I'm going to match it up with a Matamp C7....I post my findings sometime next week when the cab arrives.

Relicula

04-22-2005, 12:16 PM

I have nice gear too, and Hogy's nice, he said if it sounds good to you then good, cause it is all that matters.

Some guys like boogies, I pick them out my nose and flick em on the floor. Doesnt mean they suck for you, just me.

If something really sucks, I would rather someone have the balls to stand up and say what they think, I like opinions, as long as it isnt just being a di$$head to someone because you think you know what should sound good to them, you dont, Hogy said so, and no disrespect taken. My Pro kicks ass, sounded better before I blew the old Jensen P15N, but still is a blast to play.

roknfnrol

04-22-2005, 12:45 PM

I thought I liked my amp with an Eminence 151 speaker, but then I tried a 12" and it was much better. The 15" speaker seemed to break up really early, not neccesarily in a bad way, it was just missing something. Maybe I should try a Weber 15"

flume

04-22-2005, 03:42 PM

TikiRocker:

You asked about the speaker performance across the spectrum-----I'll take a shot at answering that but to be really anywhere close to being objective would mean putting the speaker in different cabs and such--which I can't do--but just the same:

I have the Bantam by SonicCord. I hear lots of dry midrange in the speaker - a sound I wanted at the time and still enjoy, was surprised that a huge round bass emphasis wasn't really happening- that may be more the amp and its el34s than the speaker. I also hear a potential for the speaker to get too much high end--easily dialed out--but a bridge position p90 isnt necessarily a great tone with mine--however a Tele bridge pickup with some compression is just heaven. Not sure what portion of my tone is due to the cab, the Jensen 15 or the wind direction, but my original concepts of what a 15 would sound like ended up pretty different than what the Bantam delivers---I love it--but the focus is definitely on mids and hi-mids.

here's the money shot:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/flume/tlebant.jpg

Occam

04-22-2005, 03:51 PM

I think many people are surprised that 15's aren't as bassy as they originally thought....I generally find them a little flatter sounding and slightly more extended frequency-wise but you'll probably notice the extended highs more than the extended lows.

hogy

04-22-2005, 03:58 PM

Originally posted by flume
I hear lots of dry midrange in the speaker - a sound I wanted at the time and still enjoy, was surprised that a huge round bass emphasis wasn't really happening [...]
I also hear a potential for the speaker to get too much high end--[...] the focus is definitely on mids and hi-mids.

That pretty much sums it up. No real bass, except for a kick drum like attack, dry and nasal mids, piercing treble and overall smaller and thinner sounding than a comparable 12".

In a word, they suck.

One thing I disagree on, I never could dial the treble out, because then the speaker loses all definition.

Hogy

Occam

04-22-2005, 04:06 PM

hogy

04-22-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by Occam
How many different amps have you tried with 15's?

Pretty much every one there is. At least all the classics.
Still use an Ampeg B-15 cab for bass.

Hogy

Denyle_Guitars

04-22-2005, 05:34 PM

I have an EV loaded B-15 that sucks big time for guitars.

I also have an open back 1x15 Standel with a JBL D130F and I've used a dozen different amps with that speaker, all with amazing results. I'd say it's the best all around speaker I've ever owned. Of course, it will never sound like a 4x12.

TieDyedDevil

04-22-2005, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by hogy
That pretty much sums it up. No real bass, except for a kick drum like attack, dry and nasal mids, piercing treble and overall smaller and thinner sounding than a comparable 12".

In a word, they suck.

One thing I disagree on, I never could dial the treble out, because then the speaker loses all definition.

Hogy

That sounds like a cousin to a brown Fender Pro I owned for a while. The Pro didn't sound small or peircing (I played humbucker guitars through it), but the voicing of the mids - especially on the note attack - eventually put me off. I think part of that had to do with the speaker (a JBL) and part with the amp, because a different amp through that speaker or that amp through a different speaker were both improvements over the brown Pro/JBL combination.

That said, I really like the voicing of my homebrew amp with its P15N reissue. But then I have kind of quirky tastes... :D

I'm sure you've run the gamut of 15" speakers, pairing them with many amps... Um, you have, haven't you? ;) Because judging all 15" speakers on the strength of a few examples would be like me saying that I dislike all 12" speakers based on my experience with an EVM-12L in a Boogie Mark III.

Tikirocker

04-23-2005, 10:24 AM

Well shit guys ... I went down to the store today, took my no-1 guitar and a dirt box and sat down for a few hours with the Vibrosonic Reverb and then with a Bandmaster Reverb head through a 212 of Celestion G12H-70's.

I liked what I heard from the Vibro and got some really nice medium gain dirt sounds from the unit with my Cheese Tone at the lowest settings. The reverb and the vibrato were lush and tasty but there was something missing and I wasn't in love ... yet! I spent about two hours playing around with different styles and settings on the Vibro but the overall impression was somewhat sterile and lacking in warmth.

Then I tried the Bandmaster Reverb head through a generic 212 cab with the Cellies. First impressions the minute I flicked the standby switch ... WOW!!!!! The difference was immediate! Total in your face warm, articulate, rich, fat Fender tone that had all the early break up characteristics in the clean sound I was looking for. I played around for quite a while making sure all the channels worked and vibrato and reverb etc ... reverb only made it come alive even more!

The guy ( who I know real well ) had an empty 212 Fender Bandmaster cab to go with it and I walked out the door after some haggling with the Bandmaster reverb head and the empty cab. I managed to knock $150 off the total cost which I was happy with. I now have to decide what 12's I want to stick in the cab but this combination head and cab is born to rock ... something I can't say about the Vibrosonic which I had some hopes about initially and some doubts also.

Thanks to everyone for posting their thoughts and opinions, greatly apreciated! ;)

hogy

04-23-2005, 11:21 AM

Like I told you.

Tikirocker

04-23-2005, 12:04 PM

Originally posted by hogy
Like I told you.

I don't think it was just the speaker mate ... it was allot more than that, it was the vibe of the circuit and the amp itself, the speaker was merely one factor in a group of many components.

radialaced

04-23-2005, 04:59 PM

Hogy knows better than the rest of us that the bandmaster circuit into 4 ohms is going to sound different than the vibro circuit into 8 ohms regardless of the speaker size, (although speaker size makes a difference too)

BTW, I too would prefer 2x12 over 1x15 but.....I don't want to lug around a 2x12 head/cab or combo around. On the other hand my Pro with the 1x15 Alnico JBL is actually pretty light.

FWIW, my main amp these days happens to be a 1x12 50 watt Fuchs:D

Tikirocker

04-23-2005, 10:59 PM

Originally posted by radialaced
Hogy knows better than the rest of us that the bandmaster circuit into 4 ohms is going to sound different than the vibro circuit into 8 ohms regardless of the speaker size, (although speaker size makes a difference too)

BTW, I too would prefer 2x12 over 1x15 but.....I don't want to lug around a 2x12 head/cab or combo around. On the other hand my Pro with the 1x15 Alnico JBL is actually pretty light.

FWIW, my main amp these days happens to be a 1x12 50 watt Fuchs:D

It wasn't a question of 4 ohms vs 8 ohms ... and I never mentioned the Bandmaster in the first place. All Hogy shared was his dislike of 15's ... which is fine but I'm not saying I hate 15's what I am saying is I didn't like the AMP! The sound of the Vibrosonic was what I didn't fall in love with. I may well love the sound of the Bandmaster head into a 1 x 15 cab still. ;)

Some people seem to overplay their importance in all this ...

hogy

04-24-2005, 07:48 AM

Originally posted by Tikirocker

Some people seem to overplay their importance in all this ...

Give me a break. What importance? I'm just another jackass with an opinion. I couldn't care less if you prefer to listen to your amp through a tin can with a string attached to it.

You asked for opinions on 15" speakers. I gave you mine because I had nothing better to do, and that's that.

Hogy

Tikirocker

04-24-2005, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by hogy
Give me a break. What importance? I'm just another jackass with an opinion. I couldn't care less if you prefer to listen to your amp through a tin can with a string attached to it.

You asked for opinions on 15" speakers. I gave you mine because I had nothing better to do, and that's that.

Hogy

Oh dear ... a slight overaction it seems. :rolleyes:

I'm fine with hearing your opinion, and anybodies opinion. "Like I told you" was funny to me, but now this? When you try to shove it down peoples throats though as though yours is the only valid opinion you might want to lighten up a little ... your last comments were a fine example of that, and ... thats that.

lhallam

04-24-2005, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Tikirocker
Oh dear ... a slight overaction it seems. :rolleyes:

I'm fine with hearing your opinion, and anybodies opinion. "Like I told you" was funny to me, but now this? When you try to shove it down peoples throats though as though yours is the only valid opinion you might want to lighten up a little ... your last comments were a fine example of that, and ... thats that.

You misunderstand, Hogy's IS the only valid opinion...

Let me restate that, after my opinion then Hogy's, then Tag just because he's so passionate, whoops forgot splatt.

OK, I'll put splatt first, then mine, etc. ;)

hawkeyeinexile

04-24-2005, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by lhallam
You misunderstand, Hogy's IS the only valid opinion...

Let me restate that, after my opinion then Hogy's, then Tag just because he's so passionate, whoops forgot splatt.

OK, I'll put splatt first, then mine, etc. ;)

+1 ;)

'specially on the ";)"

:D

(that detuned cab's a beaut, lh)

:cool:

radialaced

04-24-2005, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by Tikirocker
Oh dear ... a slight overaction it seems. :rolleyes:

I'm fine with hearing your opinion, and anybodies opinion. "Like I told you" was funny to me, but now this? When you try to shove it down peoples throats though as though yours is the only valid opinion you might want to lighten up a little ... your last comments were a fine example of that, and ... thats that.

Tiki,

Your new to posting here so I would just like to take a second to explain something.

It's hard to have a conversation on internet without being misread sometimes. So on this forum most of us give each other the benefit of the doubt when it comes to emotions and try to keep everything light-hearted.

Hogy is one chilled dude. Hogy is not overreacting. I can't remember a thread where he has overreacted. And he is fully capable to defend himself so I won't go on.

Tikirocker

04-24-2005, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by radialaced
Tiki,

Your new to posting here so I would just like to take a second to explain something.

It's hard to have a conversation on internet without being misread sometimes. So on this forum most of us give each other the benefit of the doubt when it comes to emotions and try to keep everything light-hearted.

Hogy is one chilled dude. Hogy is not overreacting. I can't remember a thread where he has overreacted. And he is fully capable to defend himself so I won't go on.

I'm a long time senior member on other music forums on the net and understand the difference between people being chilled out and overeacting. In my estimation Hogy's latest reaction to my statement "people seem to overplay their importance in all this" is just that, an overeaction. I don't think it was a chilled out response but then the only thing that matters to me is that people don't make a competition out of answering questions. ;)

Best to all ...