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Jon Silberman
04-23-2005, 12:31 PM
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Yesterday, Phil Jacoby installed my new Harmonic Design Z90s in my Reverend Rocco. He also replaced the stock 3-way switch with a 4-way to add both PUPs in series, rewired the first of the two mini-toggles (used previously as coil taps on the stock ‘buckers) as a phase switch and the second as a blower (volume and tone pot bypass). Finally, he replaced the stock pots and cap with CTS pots (500K as Petersen recommends for the Z90s) and a vintage old oil-filled 22 mfd cap leftover from some work he did on someone’s old Les Paul.

Everything works as advertised, resulting in an extremely versatile axe with an array of excellent tones to choose from. Phil was especially impressed overall with the Rocco’s resonance and playability. In his words, “One thing you have to say about that Joe Naylor is he knows what he’s doing with his guitars!”

A few more of my observations.

1. The moniker “Z90” is a misnomer. The are not, as others have stressed, voiced as true P90s but are their own beast. I’d call ‘em the ballsiest, grindiest Strat-style PUPs I’ve ever played. They have the distinct single coil flavor with extra highs and big lows and a bit more mids, too, but never so much as to overwhelm the PUPs’ flavor into ‘bucker or even P90 territory.

2. They sound great together in parallel (not all single coils do).

3. They sound fat indeed but somewhat muffled in series. However, with the blower switch engaged, the highs lost by running the PUPs in series are magically restored resulting in an excellent, alternative humbucker-like tone - very usable!

4. The PUPs sound remarkably good out of phase, though of course you lose a bunch of volume (as expected). The PUPs in parallel out of phase sound almost “quacky.” Series out of phase is a bit thicker and treblier - not as pleasing to my ear. It also isn’t nearly as much louder in series out of phase relative to both PUPs in parallel out of phase as both PUPs series in phase are to both PUPs in parallel in phase (I have no idea why this is so but it is).

The only thing I’d do different in retrospect is order the PUPs in black instead of white. It’s fine as is (my wife especially digs the look now with the big fat white soapbars - that never hurts ;) ) but I think black would have looked even cooler. But I guess if I still feel this way 6 months from now I can always order another set and sell these. Due to the uncertain wait times when ordering new Z90s they’re a breeze to sell used should you ever want to move ‘em.

aroman
04-23-2005, 01:06 PM
Z-90s a GREAT PUPs !!!
I had a pair of (black) Z-90s on my Mccarty for about 18 months. I raved about them. They offer 'clarity with balls".

Mark Robinson
04-23-2005, 01:28 PM
That guitar is one versatile nasty blaster now! I'm really enjoying the HD Tele set you sold to me a while back. How about the neck on that Reverend? Joe is puveying some of the better lumber around to my eyes. Total sleeper value, those guitars. Enjoy!

Jon Silberman
04-23-2005, 02:22 PM
The Rocco in question has one of the older Eastpoint necks. I have three Eastpoint Reverends, the carves on all of 'em are fatter than the current stock neck but each of the three differs one from the neck. The Rocco's neck is the thickest/biggest of them all.

P.S. Glad you're still enjoying those PUPs! My own Tele still has a Vintage + neck but, as you may recall, I'm mating it now with an older (10.2K) Fender Nocaster Reissue bridge PUP. :)

decay-o-caster
04-23-2005, 02:31 PM
Jon - order the tortoise-shell Z's - those'll really pimp up your Rocco! And they sound better, too! :p

lhallam
04-23-2005, 04:04 PM
Cool Jon, I hope I get to hear it, (hint hint).

I kind of like the white. It goes well with the shading of black to gray to white. They definitely make it the focus of the gtr.

Jon Silberman
04-23-2005, 05:08 PM
Thanks, Lance. That's what I thought, too, when I ordered 'em. My wife told me, "It's just your typical post-consumer syndrome, you know you like those ones - that's why you ordered them in the first place. Give it a week."

(That's why I married her. ;) )

CarlWerkmeister
04-23-2005, 08:05 PM
Glad to hear they worked out for you (too)....:cool:

I'm still enjoying the GT...don't see that the stock PUs will ever see that guitar again (unless I sell it)....:D

big mike
04-23-2005, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by CarlWerkmeister
(unless I sell it)....:D

DIBS!!!!

Z-Rider
04-25-2005, 12:02 AM
If they sound like a warm desert wind you could call it a Z-rocco :) .

How do the Z-90s compare to the Slingshot pups?

leon

Jon Silberman
04-25-2005, 06:45 AM
I haven't A-B'd 'em directly yet but my impression is while the stock Rev P90s are themselves more open/airier than Gibson P90s, they're still soapbar style PUPs. The Z90s, on the other hand, as mentioned in my opening post are a breed unto themselves. Every time I play the Rocco I'm liking 'em more, by the way!