Peter Lerche Dumble is Fake?????

[big mike]

Wow looks like you really like Joe! So let me get this straight just because this guy is a guitar "god" he can come out and make douchey statements like "that guys amp is fake" and we are supposed to worship his point of view???

I dont care either way about dumbles really. Ive never really heard any Joe bossanova that rocked my world. The guy can play very well to be certain but I much prefer the guys playing with the fake dumble. MILES more originality. Really no contest and the tone sounded purty damn good to me.

Just because you can play guitar does not mean you are very intelligent. Better to keep quiet and let them think you are a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

People need to find the middle ground. Joe's entitled to his opinion too.
Course i think the OP new the storm he was creating, or the comment from Joe's forum never would've made it here.

[kevman13]

Yes as a matter of fact - on two points.

(1) Yes I like Joe - I like wicked guitar playing and huge tone. Call me crazy.
(2) On HIS website's Forum he can say whatever he wants. It's his site. Last I checked he didn't say boo on this site.

I guess we should worship your point of view? I would sooner trust the guitar hero...

Wow looks like you really like Joe! So let me get this straight just because this guy is a guitar "god" he can come out and make douchey statements like "that guys amp is fake" and we are supposed to worship his point of view???

I dont care either way about dumbles really. Ive never really heard any Joe bossanova that rocked my world. The guy can play very well to be certain but I much prefer the guys playing with the fake dumble. MILES more originality. Really no contest and the tone sounded purty damn good to me.

Just because you can play guitar does not mean you are very intelligent. Better to keep quiet and let them think you are a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[Billion81]

Speaking of Joe Bonamassa and Dumbles-

Does anyone know what circuit the Van Weelden "TwinkleLand" is based on?

I'm assuming a 80s Classic 100 watt ODS. 6l6.

Yes on No.

[damian1]

"I guess we should worship your point of view? I would sooner trust the guitar hero..."

Riiiight...because thats what I was saying. Hes entitled to say whatever he likes as are you. Just remember that little saying in my post before you go flaming EVERYONE on the tgp not being able to, how was it? Hold his pick? There are some freaky good players lurking around that dont say squat. Better to be one of those.

I feel you big mike> PS I hate your avatar!! Im a broncos fan and my girlfriend is a raider fan!! Guess who got an earful the last two weeks???

[wichita]

Wow looks like you really like Joe! So let me get this straight just because this guy is a guitar "god" he can come out and make douchey statements like "that guys amp is fake" and we are supposed to worship his point of view???

I dont care either way about dumbles really. Ive never really heard any Joe bossanova that rocked my world. The guy can play very well to be certain but I much prefer the guys playing with the fake dumble. MILES more originality. Really no contest and the tone sounded purty damn good to me.

Just because you can play guitar does not mean you are very intelligent. Better to keep quiet and let them think you are a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt.

The quote was from Joe's site.
He is allowed to say anything he likes there.
Was it warranted?
Who knows, who cares actually.

Fact is you are taking a shot at a dear friend of mine and calling him a fool is uncalled for.

You obviously don't know Joe and I bet you wouldn't be quite as rude if you were standing in front of the guy.
The keyboard and screen make a lot of people uber tough guys and know it alls.

Please post clips of your playing and tone or back down a bit friend.
No need to be rude.

[zephaniah zion]

Its gettin thick! I like it real thick!:boxer

[Brian Scherzer]

People need to back off of taking jabs at each other. We can all discuss things without getting into the personal digs. If it continues, infractions will be given.

[damian1]

Who was bashing the guy? He was clearly bashing some doods amp he had no info on. I dont see it. I said he was a good player and Im sure wichita is a good player. That still does not make anyone the authority on anything. Thats pretty much all I was saying before it got all youre dissn my compadre take ten paces then draw yeehaw up in here.

Wichita you know the guy well enough to say hes never made a lame statement. Everyone says lame crap myself included. Im entitled to my opinion and my opinion is he seems like a real rockstar. Ps Id love to hear your playing and I have no way to upload nor do I care to to prove a point. Relax nobody insulted your buddy only his statements.

[damian1]

"The quote was from Joe's site.
He is allowed to say anything he likes there.
Was it warranted?
Who knows, who cares actually."

I thought that was the whole point of this thread??

[wichita]

. Ps Id love to hear your playing and I have no way to upload nor do I care to to prove a point. Relax nobody insulted your buddy only his statements.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpkVqJjjsA

[damian1]

Hot damn. Lance Keltner! Had no idea it was you. Even though you think Im an ass I loved your playing on that morgan demo. Maybe some of my favorite playing Ive ever heard. Pretty much what I aspire to play like. If you feel I insulted your buddy Im sorry. I have to stick by my guns on this one though. He seemed to be insulting the guy to me.

[macmax77]

Wow looks like you really like Joe! So let me get this straight just because this guy is a guitar "god" he can come out and make douchey statements like "that guys amp is fake" and we are supposed to worship his point of view???

Nope, but i would worship anything more than i will some stupid POS equipment.

There are some people here that worship a fat dude and his electronic equipment , maybe they should go buy a golden bull, even if it is fake.

[macmax77]

what is a retro amp?
it sounded wicked good.

[damian1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcpkVqJjjsA

Bravo again. Thats some tasty playing.

[aussiemeats]

Good Day,

Wichita +1 on Joe

Unlike many others here..I've met Joe and He's the Genuine deal

He's not presumptuous, or up himself. He's a really decent guy.

He took time to talk with me..an admiring fan, and give me some input on a device

I had asked him about, then sign my LP, and then put on a KILLER show at Riverside

on St Patty's day this year.

Most Pro Musicians don't give that access to their fans, let alone the photo ops

and Video's that Joe and his organization freely allow.

As far as his opinion goes...he commented about the sound of the "sacred" Dum***

and it was his opinion, that it didn't sound right to him...

BFD....You would have thought it was a full moon around here...

ALL the loons came out, and decided to have a bash Joe-a-thon over

an opinion on a stupid amp.

Wise up guys...there's more to life and this big universe then shooting from the hip

everytime you hear a comment that offends your tender little egos,

This place, and Joes site, are supposed to be dedicated to our love of all things

music...what's up with the character assassinations?

Lighten up, last time I checked, it's still legal to give an opinion in the United States

of America. Common courtesy dictates that there's nothing wrong with disagreeing

but... the mud slinging is unnecessary, and doesn't advance our love or

understanding of the great thing called music.

If you don't KNOW Joe...then don't be knocking the guy.

I HAVE met him...and YES, I'm a fan, and he IS a class act.

Cheers

[big mike]

Good Day,

Wichita +1 on Joe

Unlike many others here..I've met Joe and He's the Genuine deal

He's not presumptuous, or up himself. He's a really decent guy.

He took time to talk with me..an admiring fan, and give me some input on a device

I had asked him about, then sign my LP, and then put on a KILLER show at Riverside

on St Patty's day this year.

Most Pro Musicians don't give that access to their fans, let alone the photo ops

and Video's that Joe and his organization freely allow.

As far as his opinion goes...he commented about the sound of the "sacred" Dum***

and it was his opinion, that it didn't sound right to him...

BFD....You would have thought it was a full moon around here...

ALL the loons came out, and decided to have a bash Joe-a-thon over

an opinion on a stupid amp.

Wise up guys...there's more to life and this big universe then shooting from the hip

everytime you hear a comment that offends your tender little egos,

This place, and Joes site, are supposed to be dedicated to our love of all things

music...what's up with the character assassinations?

Lighten up, last time I checked, it's still legal to give an opinion in the United States

of America. Common courtesy dictates that there's nothing wrong with disagreeing

but... the mud slinging is unnecessary, and doesn't advance our love or

understanding of the great thing called music.

If you don't KNOW Joe...then don't be knocking the guy.

I HAVE met him...and YES, I'm a fan, and he IS a class act.

Cheers


This.

[kevman13]

Cool - I guess we are all friends now? My humblest apologies to everyone on the site I may have offended. Joe Bonamassa hardly needs me or anyone else to defend him - we should admire and support the fact that it IS possible in a Justin Bieber infested post SRV world to forge a career doing what I'm pretty sure EVERYONE wishes they were doing - playing guitar. My response to this post was my first since signing up in April. I too am a gearhead and visit this site to get my fix. But recently it seems like it's turning into a gossip site. Kinda like going down to your secret fishing hole and finding out that someone dumped garbage in the lake.
Give a hoot - don't polute.

PS - Oh, and Lance - YOU can certainly hold Joe's pick - no offence. I for one, am not worthy. :bow

[pennylane]

By the same token, I wonder if Joe would have the balls to tell this guy to his face his Dumble is a fake and sounds like crap.Oh, wait a minute, Joe said that on HIS forum, so it's ok.

[Marc Roy]

Nope, but i would worship anything more than i will some stupid POS equipment.

There are some people here that worship a fat dude and his electronic equipment , maybe they should go buy a golden bull, even if it is fake.

Equipment is just that: equipment. God forbid HAD passes away, because this place will surely explode.

[79stratman]

I wonder what his favorite color is?


Used to be black. Now, it's gold.

[Marc Roy]

Black Country Communion is made up of Hughes, blues guitarist Joe Bonamassa, keyboardist Derek Sherinian (Dream Theater, Billy Idol, Alice Cooper) and drummer Jason Bonham (Led Zeppelin, Foreigner).


GOOD STUFF !!!!!

This CD is the next on my list. I'm a big Hughes fan from his Trapeze days. Joe B. sure holds some good company.

[macmax77]

Equipment is just that: equipment. God forbid HAD passes away, because this place will surely explode.

That is what i am saying

[Marc Roy]

That is what i am saying

Apparently, some don't get it.

I know of one guy in Montreal who owns a Dumble (he's also owned several high-priced boutique amps - including Dumble clones). His Dumble doesn"t sound too great either. But hey, if a status symbol is what you want...

This whole fascination with Dumble and the Robben Ford tone is insane.

[Billion81]

This whole fascination with Dumble and the Robben Ford tone is insane

Dumble and Robben Ford tone are not mutually exclusive..

[Marc Roy]

Dumble and Robben Ford tone are not mutually exclusive..

Oh I know, but you have to admit that around here, the two seem to go hand in hand.

[kevman13]

Ahh Marc Roy - you are Canadian. Hence the sane replys. I for one think Robben Ford - and his tone - are hugely overrated. And he is a dead ringer for my Aunt Francis as well - that doesn't help things....

[Marc Roy]

Ahh Marc Roy - you are Canadian. Hence the sane replys. I for one think Robben Ford - and his tone - are hugely overrated. And he is a dead ringer for my Aunt Francis as well - that doesn't help things....

Hehehehe.... I think you might have opened the floodgates with that one.

[kevman13]

Yep - I regret posting it already. For the record I like Robben Ford. He seems like a helluva nice guy and I tried copping his licks when I was younger just like everyone else...it's just that - you haven't met my Aunt Francis....you would understand if you did.

[Marc Roy]

Yep - I regret posting it already. For the record I like Robben Ford. He seems like a helluva nice guy and I tried copping his licks when I was younger just like everyone else...it's just that - you haven't met my Aunt Francis....you would understand if you did.

Does she play a Dumble too?

[bobcs71]

Yep - I regret posting it already. For the record I like Robben Ford. He seems like a helluva nice guy and I tried copping his licks when I was younger just like everyone else...it's just that - you haven't met my Aunt Francis....you would understand if you did.
You might regret it but it gave a few of us a good laugh!:rotflmao
I used to try and cop RF stuff too. I don't get the fascination with his tone that some TGPers have. I've always preferred Larry C's tone. As a Dumble user I understand LC only uses the clean channel. Larry also sounds great with a Princeton or early Boogie.

[kevman13]

No but her voice is "honky" and "chirpy"....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK4I-NmeXS4


Does she play a Dumble too?

[Marc Roy]

No but her voice is "honky" and "chirpy"....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK4I-NmeXS4

Oh OK, because I was gonna ask whether the Dumble was fake or not.

[parker]

Does she play a Dumble too?

you seem to have a lot invested in this thread. buy a clone and be done with it, lord knows they're a dime a dozen.

[Marc Roy]

you seem to have a lot invested in this thread. buy a clone and be done with it, lord knows they're a dime a dozen.

I'm just having a little fun. I wouldn't play a Dumble if someone gave one to me. I'm perfectly happy with my Carol-Ann. I consider Dumble threads to be a source of free entertainment.:D

[pennylane]

Too bad this thread wasn't originally about Dumble tone or RF at all. Joe B was wrong and the kneepad boys try to turn the thread into something it wasn't

[Marc Roy]

Too bad this thread wasn't originally about Dumble tone or RF at all. Joe B was wrong and the kneepad boys try to turn the thread into something it wasn't

Kinda like the Dumble kneedpad boys get uptight whenever a Dumble thread pops up. Hell, trying dissing Robben Ford around here and see what happens.

[Carol-AnnAmps]

Too bad this thread wasn't originally about Dumble tone or RF at all. Joe B was wrong and the kneepad boys try to turn the thread into something it wasn't

Whats a kneepad boy ?

[Marc Roy]

Whats a kneepad boy ?

I think it's a fanboy. You know, kinda like the Dumble brigade around here.

[Carol-AnnAmps]

The quote was from Joe's site.
He is allowed to say anything he likes there.
Was it warranted?
Who knows, who cares actually.

Fact is you are taking a shot at a dear friend of mine and calling him a fool is uncalled for.

You obviously don't know Joe and I bet you wouldn't be quite as rude if you were standing in front of the guy.
The keyboard and screen make a lot of people uber tough guys and know it alls.

Please post clips of your playing and tone or back down a bit friend.
No need to be rude.

I'm with you 100% on this Lance. Joes an easy target because he is succesful.

[Carol-AnnAmps]

Hot damn. Lance Keltner! Had no idea it was you. Even though you think Im an ass I loved your playing on that morgan demo. Maybe some of my favorite playing Ive ever heard. Pretty much what I aspire to play like. If you feel I insulted your buddy Im sorry. I have to stick by my guns on this one though. He seemed to be insulting the guy to me.

There's a bit of a lesson in here for everyone......TGP has a wide audience. You could be talking to your favourite guitar hero without realizing it. THere are a couple on here I know of that would suprise you, they just choose not to use their actual names so they can remain anonymous and not have their 'status' tainting discussions.

[Ampegasaur]

There's a bit of a lesson in here for everyone......TGP has a wide audience. You could be talking to your favourite guitar hero without realizing it. THere are a couple on here I know of that would suprise you, they just choose not to use their actual names so they can remain anonymous and not have their 'status' tainting discussions.

This is very true. People could be well known or famous and you would never know it. Internet anonymity is an odd thing.

[NFB]

Outside of the Dumble Amp comment, which is fine.....Joe B. does not like it.

I luv :bowJoe B.......................but he has not gone to the next level. I consider him in the category of Kenny Wayne Shepard, Johnny Lang and others.

Joe has the chops and talent to get to the next level, but I believe his tone or I should say his signature tone is not there yet. Like I said earlier he needs the right producer to carve out his place in history as one of the greats.....and he absolutely can do it.........but if he can't carve out his signature.......he will stick where he is at.

As an example: Look at SRV......he took your basic blues......carved out his signature, tone, licks, songs............and put himself in the history books. I am afraid Joe may miss his time, and that would be a tragedy for such a talent.
Please note: I am note trying to be an arse.......this is my humble opinion. :hide2

[big mike]

Outside of the Dumble Amp comment, which is fine.....Joe B. does not like it.

I luv :bowJoe B.......................but he has not gone to the next level. I consider him in the category of Kenny Wayne Shepard, Johnny Lang and others.

Joe has the chops and talent to get to the next level, but I believe his tone or I should say his signature tone is not there yet. Like I said earlier he needs the right producer to carve out his place in history as one of the greats.....and he absolutely can do it.........but if he can't carve out his signature.......he will stick where he is at.

As an example: Look at SRV......he took your basic blues......carved out his signature, tone, licks, songs............and put himself in the history books. I am afraid Joe may miss his time, and that would be a tragedy for such a talent.
Please note: I am note trying to be an arse.......this is my humble opinion. :hide2

Step away from the crack pipe.

Joe is so far down the road passed KWS and JL that it's not even funny.

[SReynolds]

Step away from the crack pipe.

I think its to late.

[Marc Roy]

Step away from the crack pipe.

Joe is so far down the road passed KWS and JL that it's not even funny.

I think its to late.

+10000

To compare Bonamassa to guys like KWS and Jonny Lang is ludicrous to say the least.

[NFB]

Folks,

For the record......."CRACK IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU"http://img.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon13.gif

[macmax77]

There's a bit of a lesson in here for everyone......TGP has a wide audience. You could be talking to your favourite guitar hero without realizing it. THere are a couple on here I know of that would suprise you, they just choose not to use their actual names so they can remain anonymous and not have their 'status' tainting discussions.

thanks, but i am humble! :D:D:D

[Marc Roy]

Folks,

For the record......."CRACK IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU"http://img.thegearpage.net/board/images/icons/icon13.gif

I believe that's why Mike suggested you stay away from it. He's concerned.

[NFB]

I believe that's why Mike suggested you stay away from it. He's concerned.

We all get concerned for my well being from time to time......I luv TGP!:bonk:D

[SReynolds]

THE 2009 GP READERS' CHOICE AWARDS
*********JOE BONAMASSA = BEST BLUES GUITARIST*********
A few of the other winners.
Derek Trucks = Best Slide Guitarist
Warren Haynes = Best Rock Guitarist
Eric Clapton = Best Overall Guitarist

"If Clapton is god, Bonamassa is his son". German fan after viewing the Royal Albert Hall DVD. (Interpreter~Guenter)

[NFB]

Step away from the crack pipe.

Joe is so far down the road passed KWS and JL that it's not even funny.


Mike,

Does not Johnny Lang have more records sold and hit songs than Joe B? I am trying to confirm this.....but it ain't easy.

[Marc Roy]

THE 2009 GP READERS' CHOICE AWARDS
*********JOE BONAMASSA = BEST BLUES GUITARIST*********
A few of the other winners.
Derek Trucks = Best Slide Guitarist
Warren Haynes = Best Rock Guitarist
Eric Clapton = Best Overall Guitarist

"If Clapton is god, Bonamassa is his son". German fan after viewing the Royal Albert Hall DVD. (Interpreter~Guenter)

And Joe jams regularly with these people. Just goes to show that he's very well-respected. This whole "he doesn't have a signature tone" is a crock. What kind of tone should he have? His tone compliments the music he plays.

[NFB]

And Joe jams regularly with these people. Just goes to show that he's very well-respected. This whole "he doesn't have a signature tone" is a crock. What kind of tone should he have? His tone compliments the music he plays.

Marc,

All I am saying..........some agree, some don't, that his tone is Clapton's, Eric Johnson's.....its just not him.

This is not a bad thing.....I believe he needs to find his own....no big deal.....we are just discussing.....no need to take this too serious.

[Marc Roy]

Marc,

All I am saying..........some agree, some don't, that his tone is Clapton's, Eric Johnson's.....its just not him.

This is not a bad thing.....I believe he needs to find his own....no big deal.....we are just discussing.....no need to take this too serious.

Who's taking it seriously? You're the one who compared him to Kenny Wayne, Lang, etc...

[big mike]

I think Joe's doing just fine. I can INSTANTLY know it's him playing. Tone, attack, etc.

The EJ thing is so stupid overblown....people hear a smooth attack and delay and they go "EJ". Not everyone that does that sounds like EJ.

Just like every guy with a Strat and a Super don't sound like SRV

[Marc Roy]

I think Joe's doing just fine. I can INSTANTLY know it's him playing. Tone, attack, etc.



This sums it up right there.

[big mike]

Mike,

Does not Johnny Lang have more records sold and hit songs than Joe B? I am trying to confirm this.....but it ain't easy.


I don't really care.

Are you talking musicianship or album sales as being the indicator of wether or not someone's a good or accomplished player.

Vanilla Ice sold more records than either of them.

Get my point?

Hell for that matter, Tomo Fujita can hand John Mayer his ass. Again, what's the indicator?

[Marc Roy]

I don't really care.

Are you talking musicianship or album sales as being the indicator of wether or not someone's a good or accomplished player.

Vanilla Ice sold more records than either of them.

Get my point?

Hell for that matter, Tomo Fujita can hand John Mayer his ass. Again, what's the indicator?

Record sales mean jack. Robben Ford is equivalent to God in this place, yet he isn't selling Mayer-like volumes.

[big mike]

Record sales mean jack. Robben Ford is equivalent to God in this place, yet he isn't selling Mayer-like volumes.

I doubt he's selling Bonamassa like levels anymore. and I love Robben.

[Marc Roy]

I doubt he's selling Bonamassa like levels anymore. and I love Robben.

I wonder if Joe Bonamassa would get ripped by the haters if he played a gig with Robben Ford? It would make for some damn good guitar.

[big mike]

Eh you know how it is. Someone would find a way to hate it.

Shit, when I met Joe you never heard a bad word about him around here. Mayer was the 'hate di jour'.

Guess he's coming up in the world.

:facepalm

[bobcs71]

Marc,

All I am saying..........some agree, some don't, that his tone is Clapton's, Eric Johnson's.....its just not him.

This is not a bad thing.....I believe he needs to find his own....no big deal.....we are just discussing.....no need to take this too serious.

Eh, I don't quite agree. EJ does a lot of clean stuff with BF Fenders and I've never heard Joe go that route. Does EJ still keep the Fenders on when he has the Marshalls going too? JB is centered around a JCM800 of sorts. They both occasionally do the fuzz into Marshall thing but both of them have a lot of other stuff going on.

Clapton is a guy who when you say signature tone, I think of "what era?". Cream? Derek & the Dominoes? Journeyman? Tears in Heaven (nylon)? recent tweed thing? I could certainly be accused of being a Clapton fan since I like nearly everything he's done but hey, someone had to buy those albums.

[Marc Roy]

Eh you know how it is. Someone would find a way to hate it.

Shit, when I met Joe you never heard a bad word about him around here. Mayer was the 'hate di jour'.

Guess he's coming up in the world.

:facepalm

Every time I see an interview or read something about him, he comes off as this unassuming, humble guy who just happens to be a big fan of music and the guitar in general. I'd love to pick his brain. He's the one who gave me the idea of comibining amps. And it works like a charm too,. Sounds massive.

[big mike]

Every time I see an interview or read something about him, he comes off as this unassuming, humble guy who just happens to be a big fan of music and the guitar in general. I'd love to pick his brain. He's the one who gave me the idea of comibining amps. And it works like a charm too,. Sounds massive.


He's a true gem of a guy. I'm lucky to be in a position where I got to shoot the shit for a couple hours, me, Joe and Jim Wagner.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/Mykkus/JoeBplus4.jpg

[Marc Roy]

Wow. Cool shot.

[big mike]

Yeah that's Jim and Carol Wagner, and their son Dillon.
I'm the fat guy on the left. :facepalm

[NFB]

Yeah that's Jim and Carol Wagner, and their son Dillon.
I'm the fat guy on the left. :facepalm

Mike,

Fat is not something you should be ashamed of.

[big mike]

Nah, I'm pretty damn comfortable in my skin. Wish I was thinner, but apparently not enough to get it off. LOL

[waggclan]

He's a true gem of a guy. I'm lucky to be in a position where I got to shoot the shit for a couple hours, me, Joe and Jim Wagner.

http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m141/Mykkus/JoeBplus4.jpg

This is a great picture... :D

[wishkahdaddy]

Who is this Joe Bonamassa guy everyone is talking about and where can I find him?:confused:

[79stratman]

Mike,

Fat is not something you should be ashamed of.


Of course not! On the other hand, not having a Dumble....;)

[Ampegasaur]

Gee I like Johnny Lang. I think he has his own voice, and is great live. KWS is good too. Lots of hate here. I am glad they are all around doing their own thing, keeping blues/rock style music around. In case you haven't noticed there are not a lot of people playing that style burning up the charts.

[SReynolds]

Yeah that's Jim and Carol Wagner, and their son Dillon.
I'm the fat guy on the left. :facepalm

Wow Mike, you could pass for my son-inlaw. You two could definetly pass for brothers. I feel like a shrimp standing next to him.:rotflmao

[SReynolds]

Who is this Joe Bonamassa guy everyone is talking about and where can I find him?:confused:

Are you serious? If youhaven't ckecked him out check out;

One of these days
Dirt im my pocket
Sloe Gin
Stop
Bridge to better days
Last Kiss
Happier Times Killer stuff!!!

Well hell just go pick up the Ballad of John Henry cd & Sloe Gin
Killer stuff, everybody I've turned on to it absolutly loves it . I know I do.

[Marc Roy]

Are you serious? If youhaven't ckecked him out check out;

One of these days
Dirt im my pocket
Sloe Gin
Stop
Bridge to better days
Last Kiss
Happier Times Killer stuff!!!

Well hell just go pick up the Ballad of John Henry cd & Sloe Gin
Killer stuff, everybody I've turned on to it absolutly loves it . I know I do.


I've got all his albums except for Black Rock and his collaboration with Gleen Hughes. Love Joe's stuff.

[big mike]

Black rock is great. I need to get the new CD with hughes.

My favorite I think is still 'you and me'.

Sloe Gin is awesome too...but everything is....

[Marc Roy]

Black rock is great. I need to get the new CD with hughes.

My favorite I think is still 'you and me'.

Sloe Gin is awesome too...but everything is....

"You and Me" is pretty much my fave too, but it's so hard to pick one really. Joe consistently puts out great stuff.

To me, he's definitely got his own style and sound. Even though he's a great heavy blues/rock guitarist, he's versatile. I love his accoustic and slide work.

[aussiemeats]

Good Day,

Mike, The new BCC album KILLS.

Cheers

[wishkahdaddy]

Hey Big Mike, Cool Pic of you and Joe! I can see why you would be proud of that pic as I would too!

You politely told me in my Lance Keltner thread that, and I quote you directly, "Moved because unlike a lot of forums, we like our sections to stick to topic. Please keep this section open for amp discussions."

Can you politely tell me what your skin and how comfortable you are with it has anything to do with an amplifier? In fact, much of this thread truly has very little to do with an amplifier. It seems to be a bit of a double standard to me? Personally I'd much rather read about how Lance keltner can make an amplifier sing than I would like to read about half the unrelated amplifier garbage that goes on in these threads.
Just wondering...


Nah, I'm pretty damn comfortable in my skin. Wish I was thinner, but apparently not enough to get it off. LOL

[big mike]

The thread is still an amp discussion. Like most conversations there are short side bar derailments from time to time but the main topic is and returns to a discussion of an amp. Thus amp section. I addressed a comment and left it at that. The Crux of this discussion is Joe B's thoughts on a dumble and it's evolved into discussion of his tones and how it relates to his statement.

A lance love thread (believe me, I'm on board with that lance and i have had Many off board conversations) is more about a musician in general than the topic of amps. Your thread wasn't in regards to equipment but to lance's playing in general, thus it was mged to the proper forum. If that thread delved more into gear as an evolution of the topic it woulnt be moved back most likely.

So basically it's how the conversation starts that defines the forum it belongs in for the most part.

Feel free to pm me if you have further question as this is well outside the topic of the thread.

[RCCola]

This is all a sociological experiment. Post about a Dumble in one forum and see how many posts one can get in another thread on TGP.

The master has pulled the strings...

PS Blues Deluxe all the way

[wishkahdaddy]

Ok, so next time I'll start the thread like this.
"Lance Keltner Sounds Killer Through Any TUBE AMPLIFIER He Plays And He Contributes So Much To The Music Community-Anyone Else Agree?"
Since I put the word AMPLIFIER in there, that means we are free to go off on tangents, talk about our skin, and rip others, etc. even though it has zero to do with an amplifier.
Thanks for the clear clarification Big Mike-You Da' Man-Got it! :aok

The thread is still an amp discussion. Like most conversations there are short side bar derailments from time to time but the main topic is and returns to a discussion of an amp. Thus amp section. I addressed a comment and left it at that. The Crux of this discussion is Joe B's thoughts on a dumble and it's evolved into discussion of his tones and how it relates to his statement.

A lance love thread (believe me, I'm on board with that lance and i have had Many off board conversations) is more about a musician in general than the topic of amps. Your thread wasn't in regards to equipment but to lance's playing in general, thus it was mged to the proper forum. If that thread delved more into gear as an evolution of the topic it woulnt be moved back most likely.

So basically it's how the conversation starts that defines the forum it belongs in for the most part.

Feel free to pm me if you have further question as this is well outside the topic of the thread.

[big mike]

Missing the point I see.

Have a nice night.

[wishkahdaddy]

Perhaps I am, but then again, if you were to really stop and think about it and dig a little deeper, perhaps I'm not?
Thanks and enjoy your evening too, Big Mike.

Missing the point I see.

Have a nice night.

[pennylane]

Hey Big Mike, Cool Pic of you and Joe! I can see why you would be proud of that pic as I would too!

You politely told me in my Lance Keltner thread that, and I quote you directly, "Moved because unlike a lot of forums, we like our sections to stick to topic. Please keep this section open for amp discussions."

Can you politely tell me what your skin and how comfortable you are with it has anything to do with an amplifier? In fact, much of this thread truly has very little to do with an amplifier. It seems to be a bit of a double standard to me? Personally I'd much rather read about how Lance keltner can make an amplifier sing than I would like to read about half the unrelated amplifier garbage that goes on in these threads.
Just wondering...

The answer should be obvious. The rules only apply to members, not moderators.The OP was about how JB said this amp was a fake and sounded like crap.Rather then discuss that, it turns into a JB pic and vid fest, in an effort to turn the thread around into a JB ass-kiss party.

[Marc Roy]

The answer should be obvious. The rules only apply to members, not moderators.The OP was about how JB said this amp was a fake and sounded like crap.Rather then discuss that, it turns into a JB pic and vid fest, in an effort to turn the thread around into a JB ass-kiss party.

I've seen plenty of threads that have turned into Dumble ass-kiss parties. It's about time Joe got his due. He deserves it.

[big mike]

Troll much?

I'm not moderating in this thread as I'm an active participant. Have an issue with my post, feel free to report it.

[Marc Roy]

Troll much?

I'm not moderating in this thread as I'm an active participant. Have an issue with my post, feel free to report it.

You gotta love the TGP scapegoats - Bonamassa, Mayer, Clapton... It makes for good fun sometimes.

[big mike]

Not really.

These guys are amazing.
If you like the tone, you're a dumble apologist. If you don't like the tone, you're a Joe B fan boy.

Stupid.

[Marc Roy]

Not really.

These guys are amazing.
If you like the tone, you're a dumble apologist. If you don't like the tone, you're a Joe B fan boy.

Stupid.

Yep. I really don't get this place sometimes, especially the whole Dumble thing (maybe I haven't been around long enough). What's gonna happen when HAD passes away? Will there be a vigil held on TGP?

And I agree on Bonamassa, Mayer and Clapton being amazing. I grew up on Clapton. I'm a fan of Mayer as well. He gets bashed to hell for everything from his amps to his songs. People can't face the fact that the guy knows what he's doing.

[kevman13]

+1,000,000
No one can comment on Joe's tone, chops or otherwise unless they have heard this album. Black Country Communion is the best rock guitar album released in 20+ years. Maybe ever. His tone and playing are otherwordly. This album is a freakin' clinic. Forget everything you assume you know or have heard about Joe B and make form your opinions AFTER listening to this album. Then get the kneepads on. :bow My wife didn't want a BMW either til I took her for a rip in one. Now I have an M3...Good Day,

Mike, The new BCC album KILLS.

Cheers

[Bigtone]

Yep. I really don't get this place sometimes, especially the whole Dumble thing (maybe I haven't been around long enough). What's gonna happen when HAD passes away? Will there be a vigil held on TGP?

And I agree on Bonamassa, Mayer and Clapton being amazing. I grew up on Clapton. I'm a fan of Mayer as well. He gets bashed to hell for everything from his amps to his songs. People can't face the fact that the guy knows what he's doing.


I agree, although I can't listen to Clapton on a strat, which means I only like his cream stuff, and for that , the marshall gibson thing, he deserves much,
Mayer may not be no virtuoso, but he's got a killer thing goin on, his acoustic set and his pop set on "into the light" live dvd, is really great, the blues thing in the middle ,is kinda eh, Thats where Ford and JB are killer ,
Bigtone

[big mike]

In all the bs I forget
Do we know If this is a el34 or 6l6 dumble?

[Marc Roy]

+1,000,000
No one can comment on Joe's tone, chops or otherwise unless they have heard this album. Black Country Communion is the best rock guitar album released in 20+ years. Maybe ever. His tone and playing are otherwordly. This album is a freakin' clinic. Forget everything you assume you know or have heard about Joe B and make form your opinions AFTER listening to this album. Then get the kneepads on. :bow My wife didn't want a BMW either til I took her for a rip in one. Now I have an M3...

His tone on Black Country is just massive. Couple that with Hughes' amazing voice and you have a hell of an album.

[wishkahdaddy]

You are proving my point here Big Mike while you try to get this thread to talk about an amplifier. This thread has VERY LITTLE to do with an amplifier at this point. It was doomed from the start, really.
Again, here are your words that you mentioned to me yesterday...
"Moved because unlike a lot of forums, we like our sections to stick to topic. Please keep this section open for amp discussions."
Not much of an amp discussion here if you ask me. Perhaps it's time to close this thread?
I also don't appreciate the foul language you are using. We all know what the abreviation you used stands for. Is swearing really needed to make your point? Let's all play by the rules Big Mike and keep this section clean and following the rules. I'm sure you agree.
Thank you
In all the bs I forget
Do we know If this is a el34 or 6l6 dumble?

[daddyo]

Who is peter lerche?

[aussiemeats]

Good Day,

What's up with the "you hurt my feelings attitude" around here....

It's "ALL" still about amps and tone...including discussing Joe's new album



C'mon guys...Quit with the nitpicking!!

Let's get back to discussing the music and AMPS.....

GEEZ....some of you'se, are beginning to sound like a bunch of Ninnies


Cheers

[parker]

His tone on Black Country is just massive. Couple that with Hughes' amazing voice and you have a hell of an album.

I bought the album after reading about it here. I was really hoping for the best, unfortunately, it came across across as predictable blues rock, with dated 80's vocals.

I wish he would dispense with the Eric Johnson licks already, and find his own voice, Eric's footprint on those licks are so distinct that one cannot help make the comparison. I wish the best for Joe and will continue to try to muscle through the album, hoping I can put my predelications aside and enjoy the music. :)

[Billion81]

In all the bs I forget
Do we know If this is a el34 or 6l6 dumble?

I'm pretty sure it's a 6l6 amp as I followed some threads on his amp awhile ago.

BTW- if "bs" is offensive or viewed as foul language than we are in clearly in a PC world that I have no interest in participating in.

Mike's a great mod-and has kept me in line on occasion without all the formal BS!!!oops, Did I offend??

[pennylane]

What's amazing is the Love Fest continues totally oblivious to the OP and what this thread was originally about.When the circle jerk is pointed out I get called a "troll".Point of fact is JB called said amp a FAKE. It isn't a fake. His tone on his new album isn't the point. I'm sure there are other JB stroking threads to address his amazing talents.
ap6odoC4itw

[wishkahdaddy]

I h ave to agree with you on this and I'm the one you are mainly talking about! HA
I was just trying to make a point, though probably not well done and quite elementary, that I've sensed a "double standard" in code of conduct on this site. It's probably just me but it is something I've taken a mental note of over the months. No big deal and it probably should be dropped. Perhaps I'm a bit on edge as Alan Phillips will be sending my JB 100 in the next couple of weeks. I guess I do lean towards Bonamassa tones...
Back to discussion on the Dumble. I always thought the amp sounded great and I'd like to own it. I guess others don't like it's "fizzy" tone. To each his own but it still is a beast of an amp compared to what most people play. Good Day,

What's up with the "you hurt my feelings attitude" around here....

It's "ALL" still about amps and tone...including discussing Joe's new album



C'mon guys...Quit with the nitpicking!!

Let's get back to discussing the music and AMPS.....

GEEZ....some of you'se, are beginning to sound like a bunch of Ninnies


Cheers

[pennylane]

I think that amp sounds great! Granted, his tone settings aren\'t what I would use (mids way down, presence-off) but if you read the many comments, they are favorable.JB himself has an amp or two that, isolated may not be the best, but in the big picture, they fill a bandwidth he wants to hear.

[wishkahdaddy]

EXACTLY! The very amp I'm getting, Carol Ann JB 100, was voiced in a way that it did not sound great on it's own. Alan Phillips, owner of Carol Ann Amps, told me directly he voiced it to "blend" with Joe's Marshall. My JB 100 will be voiced different than Joes, however, with a more full range. I heard a clip of Joe's JB 100 on it's own and it was not stellar as that is not what it was built for. Blended it sounds absolutely amazing to me!
I guess though with a Dumble, and for $50,000, it's tough not to have it all in one amp...Even Robben Ford, however, uses 2 amps to "widen" his tone.
I think that amp sounds great! Granted, his tone settings aren\'t what I would use (mids way down, presence-off) but if you read the many comments, they are favorable.JB himself has an amp or two that, isolated may not be the best, but in the big picture, they fill a bandwidth he wants to hear.

[aussiemeats]

What's amazing is the Love Fest continues totally oblivious to the OP and what this thread was originally about.When the circle jerk is pointed out I get called a "troll".Point of fact is JB called said amp a FAKE. It isn't a fake. His tone on his new album isn't the point. I'm sure there are other JB stroking threads to address his amazing talents.
ap6odoC4itw


Good Day,

I don't understand why you persist on this matter. Joe Bonamassa

rendered an opinion on "HIS" Web-Site about the tone of the amp you

mentioned.

It got DRAGGED over here, and then the personal attacks began

against Joe. It's freaking ludichrist, and counter productive.

B. F. D.!!

It sounds more like you have a personal vendetta to settle with Joe

more then anything else.

350 plus responses, in this thread and you're still

hung up on what Joe said.

It was "his opinion"...PERIOD.

With all due respect to "your opinion", may I suggest

starting another thread...about something else.

Give yourself and everyone else a break. Let this one go....

Cheers

[Marc Roy]

What I find funny is that if Robben Ford had said something similar, people would be agreeing with him.

[kevman13]

That is funny - but true.What I find funny is that if Robben Ford had said something similar, people would be agreeing with him.

[bobcs71]

What I find funny is that if Robben Ford had said something similar, people would be agreeing with him.

To my ears the Dumble in that clip wouldn't do a very good "Politician" ;) but there are many others on here who could provide a better analysis of that than I could.

[mentoneman]

maybe that dumble doesn't sound as good as tag's did, but it clearly sounds and looks like a dumble

the recording and mixing of it wasn't world class either, but decent enough to hear the tone the player was using clearly

joe b has great tones on his solo stuff. i don't like his black country tone at all though. i do wish he would work more with a vocalist though because i don't like his voice much. some people like johnny lang can do the white guy trying to sound like an old black guy thing and totally convince me.
but joe, robben, srv, clapton, don't cut it at all for me.

[mastodon]

how pissed could you be if someone said your 50k$ amp is a fake... if that was me i'd probably say something like "i dont have to listen to anything you have to say, kermit" and all

[Tone Loco]

Point of fact is JB called said amp a FAKE. It isn't a fake.
ap6odoC4itw
I'm curious how you know it's not a fake. I don't think it's all that hard to make a faceplate like that, and it seems like I've heard tons of clips and youtube vids that sound pretty similar. Do you have some inside info on this amp?

[Marc Roy]

I'm curious how you know it's not a fake. I don't think it's all that hard to make a faceplate like that, and it seems like I've heard tons of clips and youtube vids that sound pretty similar. Do you have some inside info on this amp?

Don't argue with the Dumble experts around here. It's a waste of time. Joe said he didn't like the amp, yet supposedly he does. Apparently, you're not allowed to have a different opinion when it comes to the so-called "king of amps". Then again, I'm not into bluezak so I wouldn't care either way. It's just fun watching the shitstorm that were caused by Joe's comments. Like I've said before, you can't pay for entertainment this good.:D

[jenkka]

I'm curious how you know it's not a fake. I don't think it's all that hard to make a faceplate like that, and it seems like I've heard tons of clips and youtube vids that sound pretty similar. Do you have some inside info on this amp?

From pages 4 and 5:

**** The amp is absolutely real, its serial #153 if I recall right

the only mod done is a built in loop but that was bypassed during the famous You tube clip

I love its silky raunchiness, also he barely cracks the amp up on the clip so Master vol pot /cap produce a large treble boost onto power amp that account for the raunchy tones quite a bit,


,, JB got it all wrong ;)


Tommy is right and JB is wrong!

The history of amp is pretty well documented in Finnish music magazines. I have also heard the story from Peter himself and person who brokered deal between Peter and Dumble. I've first seen Peter play that amp early 90's, and that was way before any of the big time clone business started (I guess Tommy may have been building amps back then?).

The build in loop is solid state, btw. And, oh yes, I have played that amp!

Edit. Here's also a quote from Joe B:
http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=15215&p=3

"Well the saga continues. I heard from my friend today that the amp I thought sounded like a fake is actually real and I have offended some of the more sensitive chaps on the gear page. Anywho. My position is simple. I put myself out there everyday to be judged scrutinized and You Tubed. I called it like I saw it or heard it really and I guess I was wrong about the first part. It's the same right anybody has to do so. So with that the great Joe B dumble fumble comes to a close.
Joe B
Ps. 10 years really? Yikes man."

So let's end this right here :)

[zzmoore]

Don't argue with the Dumble experts around here. It's a waste of time. Joe said he didn't like the amp, yet supposedly he does. Apparently, you're not allowed to have a different opinion when it comes to the so-called "king of amps". Then again, I'm not into bluezak so I wouldn't care either way. It's just fun watching the shitstorm that were caused by Joe's comments. Like I've said before, you can't pay for entertainment this good.:D
Yeah, there always seems to be a few untouchables. They "have a right to their opinion", but we don't have a right to ours. His forum has a weird vibe to it. He posts there, so it gets a lot of hero worship strangeness. Kind of the Tiger Woods syndrome...... "Remember me? We met last year at The Olympic Club. I was in the pairing behind you. You dropped your sunglasses and I handed them to you. We shook hands and said hello. I noticed that I wear the same brand golf shoes that you do. Just like you...."
It is all part of celebrity worship I guess. Not "right or wrong", just goes with the territory I suppose.

[Dumb Bell]

It's kind of funny how fiction starts to sound like fact after a while. My point being, where did this IT TOOK TEN YEARS FOR PETER LERCHE TO GET HIS AMP start? It was 5 years guys. He never said otherwise.

[ianb]

I was kinda hoping this thread had now ended, sunk into oblivion....

There is nothing to add after post #364

[big mike]

It was until someone must've decided it would be fun to stir the argument back up. :facepalm

[spm]

I was kinda hoping this thread had now ended, sunk into oblivion....

There is nothing to add after post #364


Argee

[big mike]

From pages 4 and 5:






Edit. Here's also a quote from Joe B:
http://www.jbonamassa.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=15215&p=3

"Well the saga continues. I heard from my friend today that the amp I thought sounded like a fake is actually real and I have offended some of the more sensitive chaps on the gear page. Anywho. My position is simple. I put myself out there everyday to be judged scrutinized and You Tubed. I called it like I saw it or heard it really and I guess I was wrong about the first part. It's the same right anybody has to do so. So with that the great Joe B dumble fumble comes to a close.
Joe B
Ps. 10 years really? Yikes man."

So let's end this right here :)

It WAS ended. you restarted it.

[kingsxman]

I think Joe's comments deserve to be heard. nice to get the updates.

[big mike]

They were covered like 6 pages ago or something

[Marc Roy]

Yeah, there always seems to be a few untouchables. They "have a right to their opinion", but we don't have a right to ours. His forum has a weird vibe to it. He posts there, so it gets a lot of hero worship strangeness. Kind of the Tiger Woods syndrome...... "Remember me? We met last year at The Olympic Club. I was in the pairing behind you. You dropped your sunglasses and I handed them to you. We shook hands and said hello. I noticed that I wear the same brand golf shoes that you do. Just like you...."
It is all part of celebrity worship I guess. Not "right or wrong", just goes with the territory I suppose.

True, but the hero worship Dumble gets around here is just as bad, and Dumble doesn't even post here.

[jenkka]

It was until someone must've decided it would be fun to stir the argument back up. :facepalm

It WAS ended. you restarted it.

Ok, take it easy.

I just replied to Tone Loco's questions.

I'm curious how you know it's not a fake. Do you have some inside info on this amp?

[Lassi]

It´s nice to hear that neither Mr J Bonamassa is no golden ear player, more common-ear my opinion.

If a player has a large experience of different kind of amplifiers with different loadspeakers, he should remember, that tone varies according guitar pickups, players touch to strings, amplifier adjustments, loadspeaker tone curve, and microphone eq. Personal taste. Microphone was the RollsRoyce of mics; Neumann U47 from old Germany. It also colorises sound to be more smooth and full than sharp 57.

I have heard totally two different tones of the 100% same set, only player changed.
So, because I have changed tubes to this one PL/youtube ODS, and I've seem serial number with owners engravement inside. And it was then 1992, much-much before far-east mode.

Nice statement from a player, how sells only 20 dollar discs as his original, played by ... chinese players perhaps? But he is so young, so his confusement is understandable, amp was delivered at time before internet. Poor boy. :rotflmao:rotflmao

[Ramon Goose]

I'm a player - dont know much about biology, dont know much triganomatry but I do know Peters Dumble is killer!

[MikeyG]

Could it be a Bluesmaster or 70s circuit? They are both 'less smooth' than the typical