"Helter Skelter" Isolated Bass Track

[The Golden Boy]

I used to love this sound when I was a kid...

http://www.youtube.com/user/WarmBelowTheStorm#p/u/13/ZjS7xXy6pzw

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[Mandoboy]

still love it. Totally punk.

[The Golden Boy]

With A Little Help From My Friends is up too...

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[A-Bone]

These are so damn cool to hear. I've been listening to them off and on all day.

[LeftyBass]

"With A Little Help From My Friends" is one of my faves to play, luckily it's usually in the setlist.

[teleman1]

Dee Murray, a great bassist in his own right.

Simplicity and originality coupled with excellence; Paul McCartney. Least he makes it sound simple.

[Structo]

I didn't realize that John played the bass in Helter Skelter.
He really slapped the strings.

Paul, even though he primarily played guitar was gracious enough to play the bass and he did that very well, enough to be recognized several times as the best bass player in the world.

[musicofanatic5]

As a Jamerson-school adherent, and certainly not at all just for the purpose of being negative here, but:

Am I the only inhabitant of earth who thinks McCartney sounded exactly like the textbook stereotype of a gtr player playing bass? I always hear way too much "personality" in his bass parts. Way more in the front of the song than supportive. Sure, it mostly fit the songs, and a lot of 'em were his damn songs; I know! However I vastly prefer Lennon banging the f*ck outta the root notes on Helter Skelter! (guess I always preferred Lennon in general...)

[CavePassivePedals]

Am I the only inhabitant of earth who thinks McCartney sounded exactly like the textbook stereotype of a gtr player playing bass?

It's quite possible that you could be.

I always hear way too much "personality" in his bass parts.

YMMV. IMHO Paul's melodic style was truly innovative.

[LarryNJ]

McCartney sounded exactly like the textbook stereotype of a gtr player playing bass?

...always hear way too much "personality" in his bass parts.

:crazyguy



Yes, and of course, McCartney really contributed nothing in terms of playing the bass guitar as related to modern pop/rock music, nothing at all.

Just another bassist sounding like a guitar player playing the bass....

:jo:jo

WTF!

Of course Sir Pauls contributions can NEVER reach the heights of musico-whatever, :sarcasm
But that still has to be about the....

Ahhh ,never mind. His (McCartney's!) body of work stands quite well on it's own.

I think.

[Franklin]

Sorry guys, I played bass on that track. It wasn't Paul or John!

;)

[LarryNJ]

...I personally played on all of:
Sgt Pepper
Rubber Soul
The White Album
and
Revolver
I tried to emulate the sound of a guitarist playing the bass, I hope I succeeded...
Plus I was TIME magazine's Man of the year 2001 thru 2005....

[LeftyBass]

I didn't realize that John played the bass in Helter Skelter.
He really slapped the strings.

He didn't have to hit the strings of the Fender VI very hard to get that sound.

[LeftyBass]

[QUOTE=LarryNJ;9369489]...I personally played on all of:
Sgt Pepper
Rubber Soul
The White Album
and
Revolver
[QUOTE]

I still do! ;)

[LarryNJ]

[QUOTE=LarryNJ;9369489]...I personally played on all of:
Sgt Pepper
Rubber Soul
The White Album
and
Revolver
[QUOTE]

I still do! ;)

Kewl!
Interesting about the Bass VI; never thought about that.

However, the "White Album"
Wow, that rates as one of my favorite Beatles works.
Not much (pop) music today even comes close to their output.

McCartney's abilities as a Bassist are sometimes questioned by those with a bone to pick for whatever reason.

I'm into Gerald Veasely, Eddie Gomez, Buster Williams, Ron Carter (look 'em up) Jaco, Jamerson Dunne, Hutch, Willis, Wooten, Cairon, Rainey, etc etc.

Diggin' McCartney, HELLA Bassist and genius musician.

[The Golden Boy]

As a Jamerson-school adherent, and certainly not at all just for the purpose of being negative here, but:

Am I the only inhabitant of earth who thinks McCartney sounded exactly like the textbook stereotype of a gtr player playing bass? I always hear way too much "personality" in his bass parts. Way more in the front of the song than supportive. Sure, it mostly fit the songs, and a lot of 'em were his damn songs; I know! However I vastly prefer Lennon banging the f*ck outta the root notes on Helter Skelter! (guess I always preferred Lennon in general...)

I think you might just be one of those "old man yelling at cloud" kind of guys! :D

I think where McCartney excels is creating a melodic line that's supportive and integral to the song.

Where most other "iconic" players lay out all their 'technicalness,' most of that is extraneous to the song.

I don't find McCartney's lines to be too "talkey." I think his lines say what they need to say in the best way to say it. (sounds like describing a good greeting card writer...)



But just think, there's someone out there that thinks that Jamerson's lines were too busy...

[909one]

As a Jamerson-school adherent, and certainly not at all just for the purpose of being negative here, but:

Am I the only inhabitant of earth who thinks McCartney sounded exactly like the textbook stereotype of a gtr player playing bass? I always hear way too much "personality" in his bass parts. Way more in the front of the song than supportive. Sure, it mostly fit the songs, and a lot of 'em were his damn songs; I know! However I vastly prefer Lennon banging the f*ck outta the root notes on Helter Skelter! (guess I always preferred Lennon in general...)

Dude I know a lot of guitar players trying to play bass and they sound nothing like Paul. I wish all guitar players who played bass sounded like Paul.

Paul's melodic and rhythmic sensibilities blow away most bass players in the history of rock music.

Though, I am from the school of thought that bass should be high in the mix, playing melodic counterparts to the main melody and not just delegated to always holding down the root and buried under the guitar.

I am a guitar player and bass player.

[musicofanatic5]

I shoulda known better than to cast aspersions at such a glorified icon without the faithful congregation rushing to prop up the defiled deity...

But, sorry, it is indeed exactly how I feel. I have often wondered if Ringo and McUnreproachable had swapped insts, or at least musical "sensibilities"...? Occasionally, in listening to the Fab4, I have wanted to hear Starkey play just a little bit more and whatsisname an equal amount less. But in my personal musical pantheon, these guys do not figure high enough for me get too excited either way. Some here may recall the days when one was either a Beetles fan or a Stones fan with the two camps distinctly and vociferously divided? I was that smoking-behind-the-gymnasium, leather-jacket-wearin-Stones Fan in jr. high! And anything I did dig about the luvable moptops had to do with their resident hoodlum (JL)!

Truly, my post was not made simply for the purpose of twisting anyone the wrong way, cause you know I love y'all! ('cept...well, he knows!)

[jwny72]

I've always loved that bass line and never knew it was John. Didn't know Paul was playing the lead guitar either. This is from wikipedia:

Personnel

Paul McCartney – lead vocal, lead guitar
John Lennon – background vocals, 6-string bass, and sound effects (through brass instruments)
George Harrison – rhythm guitar, sound effects, and background vocals
Ringo Starr – drums, spoken word
Mal Evans – trumpet
Personnel per Mark Lewisohn[10] and Alan W. Pollack[13]

[The Golden Boy]

cause you know I love y'all! ('cept...well, he knows!)

tee hee....

[LarryNJ]

tee hee....


http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/LarryNealJ/images-5.jpg

"Tee He" -says it all!

(I'd love to meet this guy....)





:D

[LarryNJ]

I shoulda known betterBLA BLA BLA BLA.....


Yeah,....
You SHOULDA......

[jms6668]

I shoulda known better than to cast aspersions at such a glorified icon without the faithful congregation rushing to prop up the defiled deity...

But, sorry, it is indeed exactly how I feel. I have often wondered if Ringo and McUnreproachable had swapped insts, or at least musical "sensibilities"...? Occasionally, in listening to the Fab4, I have wanted to hear Starkey play just a little bit more and whatsisname an equal amount less. But in my personal musical pantheon, these guys do not figure high enough for me get too excited either way. Some here may recall the days when one was either a Beetles fan or a Stones fan with the two camps distinctly and vociferously divided? I was that smoking-behind-the-gymnasium, leather-jacket-wearin-Stones Fan in jr. high! And anything I did dig about the luvable moptops had to do with their resident hoodlum (JL)!

Truly, my post was not made simply for the purpose of twisting anyone the wrong way, cause you know I love y'all! ('cept...well, he knows!)

Totally understood your original post. Although I am a FAB fanatic, and they are my favorite band (Lennon being my #1, as well). I am much more of a Heavy Rock, Blues & Jazz type of player. With Jamerson being at the top of my list of Bass Players. But so is McCartney, for different reasons. Keep in mind, I am a Guitar Player.

I guess sometimes you get a perfect storm (at least IMHO) that, although it goes against the norm (like Macca being a GTR player on Bass, for example) creates a musical situation that gives the music a unique extra twist. I think to many ears, that approach was just different, and coupled with the new music that The Beatles were putting out, his Bass "style" seemed to go hand in hand with it all.

[CavePassivePedals]

Some here may recall the days when one was either a Beetles fan or a Stones fan with the two camps distinctly and vociferously divided? I was that smoking-behind-the-gymnasium, leather-jacket-wearin-Stones Fan in jr. high!

I know that Leftybass plays in a Beatles tribute band, well, I play in a Stones tribute band.

I also know it is quite possible to dig both Beatles AND Stones music, and both Macartney's and Wyman's bass lines. That said, Macartney was definitely the more innovative bassist of the two.

[Balok]

As a Jamerson-school adherent, and certainly not at all just for the purpose of being negative here, but:

Am I the only inhabitant of earth who thinks McCartney sounded exactly like the textbook stereotype of a gtr player playing bass? I always hear way too much "personality" in his bass parts. Way more in the front of the song than supportive. Sure, it mostly fit the songs, and a lot of 'em were his damn songs; I know! However I vastly prefer Lennon banging the f*ck outta the root notes on Helter Skelter! (guess I always preferred Lennon in general...)
I don't personally hear it that way, but I like to hear all opinions hear on TGP. PM is one of many sacred cows here and actually having an opinion thats less than gushing will cause many to start putting rounds in their AK's and estimating your altitude distance.
I say speak your mind, whatever it is, whoever goes down. It's all just pixels on a screen anyway, and what fun is a forum if people have to censor themselves?

[imonabuss]

It's out of tune!

[LeftyBass]

However, the "White Album"
Wow, that rates as one of my favorite Beatles works.
Not much (pop) music today even comes close to their output.

Yep, gotta be my fave Beatles album, even when I was a kid. Never cared for the early stuff. I love playing songs from that album, get to bust out the Fender Jazz.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/newjazz003-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/newjazz002-1-1.jpg

[Mandoboy]

It's out of tune!

You say that like it's a bad thing :crazyguy

Besides, if you want out of tune, listen to the intro to Drive My Car, remastered in stereo, when he lands on the D...and who cares?!?!? I'd rather have out of tune Beatles bass than perfectly tuned sterile vacuum-packed freeze dried music product any day...

[LarryNJ]

Yep, gotta be my fave Beatles album, even when I was a kid. Never cared for the early stuff. I love playing songs from that album, get to bust out the Fender Jazz.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/newjazz003-1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/newjazz002-1-1.jpg

Hmmmm...
What's the deal-io w/ the J-Bass?

Not a stock Fender??:huh

[LarryNJ]

You say that like it's a bad thing :crazyguy

Besides, if you want out of tune, listen to the intro to Drive My Car, remastered in stereo, when he lands on the D...and who cares?!?!? I'd rather have out of tune Beatles bass than perfectly tuned sterile vacuum-packed freeze dried music product any day...

+1; who knows? Maybe George Martin was having a bad day at the board or something...

No player is for everyone, and all is subjective...
BUT---
Paul McCartney's Bass Playing??!
C'mon.

His body of work- based ONLY on his bass playing-
Beyond reproach. Beyond.
I don't care; it doesn't matter who you are or what type of music you like, or what brand bass you play,
what that Man has done for the role of the Bass Guitar in pop music..

Equivalent of 'Trane or Miles, or Jamerson, or Jaco, or whomever in it's relevance, not because of technical brilliance (although....)
but because of how he integrated a bassline into a composition- His no less -and made it a seamless facet of the performance or recording.

Almost every Beatles song has a bassline that is 'effin Perfect for the record, some very complex structurally, whether Paul knew it or not!!

And whether it's "I Saw her Standing There" or "You Can't Do That!"
or "Sgt Pepper" or "Fixing a Hole" or....

Get it? Yup.

Amazing player, amazing Man, earns a place in Musical History, amongst a VERY select few. Bassist, no less!

IF you Play Bass, tip your hat to Sir Paul.

Or...Go ahead and feel that he's nuthin' special..Tee Hee!!
You woulda done a bettter bass line....
:jo

Whatever. My opinion.:D

[jimfog]

Even Lennon, in the depths of his "Anti-Beatles" angry 70's, and feuds with McCartney, gave Paul major props for his bass playing.

I remember an interview where he said something to the effect of........Paul has a lot of ego about a lot of things, but doesn't understand how innovative and excellent a bass player he really is........

[LarryNJ]

..And if Sir Paul had never existed, and you had the rest of the "Fab..." well I guess it would be the "Fab Three" then,

You could have taken the BEST session Bassists EVER-

Kaye, Dunne, Osborne, Scheff, Stubenhaus, Sklar, Minor, Hutch, Pomeroy,
Weeks,
Anybody....

Not one of 'em could have laid down a better Bass track than Paul McCartney came up with on his own.

Perfect fit. Right in-the-pocket.

[The Golden Boy]

Yep, gotta be my fave Beatles album, even when I was a kid. Never cared for the early stuff. I love playing songs from that album, get to bust out the Fender Jazz.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v383/iamthebassman/newjazz003-1.jpg


Didn't Paul's have the "paddle" tuners??

[imonabuss]

Hey, I was just surprised. I consider Paul to do great bass work, and am far from a sterile guy, but I didn't expect to hear that. Buried under the greatness of the band and song, but still out of tune. You wouldn't hear the Ox that way... Well, Paul was a piano player and singer anyhow, and was probably far more interested in the rest of the song.

[A-Bone]

Hey, I was just surprised. I consider Paul to do great bass work, and am far from a sterile guy, but I didn't expect to hear that. Buried under the greatness of the band and song, but still out of tune. You wouldn't hear the Ox that way... Well, Paul was a piano player and singer anyhow, and was probably far more interested in the rest of the song.

Pretty sure that's John Lennon playing bass on this track.

[kbphx]

As a Jamerson-school adherent, and certainly not at all just for the purpose of being negative here, but:

Am I the only inhabitant of earth who thinks McCartney sounded exactly like the textbook stereotype of a gtr player playing bass? I always hear way too much "personality" in his bass parts. Way more in the front of the song than supportive. Sure, it mostly fit the songs, and a lot of 'em were his damn songs; I know! However I vastly prefer Lennon banging the f*ck outta the root notes on Helter Skelter! (guess I always preferred Lennon in general...)

If the bassist's job is solely to anchor the low root notes while everyone else gets creative, then what are the other 3 (or more) strings for? That doesn't make any sense. Just sayin.

[Jeff Michael]

Am I the only inhabitant of earth who thinks McCartney sounded exactly like the textbook stereotype of a gtr player playing bass?

Nope. But the cultists will try to make you feel that way.

JAM

[Jeff Michael]

It's out of tune!

It's the awful time that stands out to me. Not that it sucks all the way through--it's mostly OK--but there are points where the eighth notes, suddenly aren't. And it ain't the triplets I'm talking about. I guess some of it could be that it sounds like there are two or three bass tracks stacked up there. Sometimes more is not better.

JAM

[jimfog]

Nope. But the cultists will try to make you feel that way.

:rolleyes:

Right.....because if you don't think pumping 1/8 notes on the root (and occasional 5th) would make Beatles records better, you have to be a "cultist".

Sure, being a contrarian sometimes makes you Galileo........but usually it just makes you the smug, annoying dude who walks around Philly with a Dallas Cowboys jersey on.

[LarryNJ]

Sure, being a contrarian sometimes makes you Galileo........but usually it just makes you the annoying douchebag who walks around Philly with a Dallas Cowboys jersey on.

...Needs to be made into a T-Shirt! Good Job.

The musical "experts" who take it upon themselves to critique the recordings and output of...Paul McCartney!
and
Victor Wooten!
Have not done, will never do, and are not capable of doing-
anything even CLOSE to the brilliant output of those artists.

SO, in lieu of making positive and constructive musical contributions of their own, they POST...
On an Internet Bass Forum, their derision of the works of, in these cases, a couple of the most important, relevant, and influential artists on the Bass Guitar in recent history.

I love it. It's the ultimate "dropping trou" while thinking that they've just made a bold and relevant statement that counters , well almost every reasonable appraisal of what those artists have done.

Yep, People don't like, Picasso, or Coltrane, or Jaco, maybe Bach has some haters who could do better- If only the Internet was around then!

I don't mind another player's opinion; they are entitled to it, and to share it-if they so choose!

But Paul McCartney!??
And (in another thread-)
Victor Wooten?!
Derision for their work?? On a Bass Guitar Forum??!
Okey-Doke!:crazyguy

I'd say it was time for a reality check, but for "them"- They are so far removed from reality-
makes no never mind.

So Never Mind!:D

[jimfog]

Larry,

One thing I disagree with you about.....

I believe it's totally reasonable to critique even the most venerable piece of art..........after all, this stuff is subjective, at it's core.

What I DON'T think is reasonable is outright dismissing of a respected artist or their work, JUST because you don't happen to dig it.

Maybe a small distinction.....but quite important, IMO.

[FFTT]

It's always kinda gritty listening to an isolated track like this.
Slight timing imperfections, pick scraping on the string, some notes
stronger or picked cleaner or sloppier than others, very cool!

I'm also guessing he has a big wad of foam near the bridge to mute
the strings, they are not ringing out like they would without a mute.

[The Golden Boy]

Hey, I was just surprised. I consider Paul to do great bass work, and am far from a sterile guy, but I didn't expect to hear that. Buried under the greatness of the band and song, but still out of tune. You wouldn't hear the Ox that way...

You've mentioned being surprised. Assuming you're around my age (dangerous assuming anything, I know), but you've heard this song countless times over the past 30 years. Until you heard these isolated tracks, you never knew (or cared) that the bass was out of tune and out of time.

It only underscores the fact that what really matters is the music as a whole.

Some people get bent out of shape about time, tuning, intonation, mistakes, sustain, hum, QC, tenon length, and other minutae that doesn't get heard. There really is a point where "good enough" is good enough. There are people that want everything auto tuned and rhythm doctored to the point of sterility.

It's also easy to go too far in the other direction.

I know if I'd have been tracking that- and heard that slop, I'd have wanted another pass at it. However, to hear it in context- THAT'S perfect.

[LarryNJ]

Larry,

One thing I disagree with you about.....

I believe it's totally reasonable to critique even the most venerable piece of art..........after all, this stuff is subjective, at it's core.

What I DON'T think is reasonable is outright dismissing of a respected artist or their work, JUST because you don't happen to dig it.

Maybe a small distinction.....but quite important, IMO.

I agree with that, and thought I had made the same point about subjectivity, etc.
It's OK not to like an "icon"; there are plenty whose revered works don't float my boat.....
I get it!;);)

But about Paul McCartney!, in this case-
No, he's not a God, but his creative output in Pop Music-
Wow Just Wow.
The comments made as to him sounding like a guitarist playing bass, or too much personality in his playing... (???)

Were---well, not too bright:idea

Some just like to hear themselves post, at least that's how it appears to me as a "cultist" Yehright.

And as I pointed, let THEM do the bass track; How would it sound?
Multiply that by the sheer enormous volume of Macca's work...

Now they REALLY sound DUM!:Devil

[Mandoboy]

So, remember it's John Lennon on Bass VI on this track- who claimed rock and roll music really went downhill when it became about "excellence"- he's going for emotion and feeling, and what he plays here fits the song and vibe perfectly IMHO.

McCartney saw Pete Townshend refer to The Who's latest recording as the loudest, heaviest thing ever (the unreleased "I Can See For Miles")...although he hadn't heard it, Paul said "Oh, yeah?!?!" and decided to write something louder and heavier...than what he imagined Pete came up with...

So to use the standards of "excellence" of modern bass playing here (I love that, too, big fan of Victor, Edgar Meyer, Jaco etc!) is kind of like looking for Mother Maybelle Carter to sound like Tony Rice...

Johnny Rotten probably isn't any better with Autotune ;)

[Jeff Michael]

:rolleyes:
Sure, being a contrarian sometimes makes you Galileo........but usually it just makes you the smug, annoying dude who walks around Philly with a Dallas Cowboys jersey on.

You got a Cowboys jersey?

JAM

[imonabuss]

The over-reaction to the comments on imperfection are bizarre. I know I am not saying paul or John or any of the Fab Four aren't great, and I'll bet the guy who commented on the timing doesn't think so either.

{erhaps it is harder nowadays to play like that and get the track kept. Last album I did turned out well (but far from Beatles level!). And the engineer/producer really busted my balls to be perfect. This is an old school studio where they would not use autotune or ProTools. Recorded to tape. It made me crazy, but since this was the best record I had been on, with a great engineer and other musicians, I thought that was the way it had to be.

And I don't think it's mistakes that make Beatles songs great, but y'know I certainly could be wrong. Maybe the out of tune was planned, and the timing as well, or maybe playing without much concern to either makes the best music. Just was very surprised and intrigued to hear it.

[musicofanatic5]

The selective ignore function (y'know, the thing where, if you just can no longer stand to be subjected to another single word of self-serving bombast [not to mention personal attacks] from a particular TGP member, you can basically make this person cease to exist in your world...you can virtually rub them out!!) is, hands down, THE most valuable feature of this forum. Every now and then I temporarily disable it, just to be sure, and every time I nearly hurt myself in the rush to hook it back up!!!

[DGDGBD]

Has anyone listened to the isolated bass track during the middle eight in While my Guitar Gently Weeps? There's a guitar accompanying the part too. Surprising to me because I don't hearthis complex bass line stand out during the song as a whole.

g4shrXgJ-PY

[LarryNJ]

The selective ignore function (y'know, the thing where, if you just can no longer stand to be subjected to another single word of self-serving bombast [not to mention personal attacks] from a particular TGP member, you can basically make this person cease to exist in your world...you can virtually rub them out!!) is, hands down, THE most valuable feature of this forum. Every now and then I temporarily disable it, just to be sure, and every time I nearly hurt myself in the rush to hook it back up!!!

Or you can use it to disable useless dribble like that above:Devil:D

[tacorivers]

I don't personally hear it that way, but I like to hear all opinions hear on TGP. PM is one of many sacred cows here and actually having an opinion thats less than gushing will cause many to start putting rounds in their AK's and estimating your altitude distance.
I say speak your mind, whatever it is, whoever goes down. It's all just pixels on a screen anyway, and what fun is a forum if people have to censor themselves?
__________________

I agree. Its just discussion. I personally love McCartney's bass playing, but if someone doesn't, who cares?

[Kaji13]

I used to love this sound when I was a kid...

http://www.youtube.com/user/WarmBelowTheStorm#p/u/13/ZjS7xXy6pzw

ZjS7xXy6pzw
Wow, he was one hell of a bass player, reminds me of Chris Squire.

[Bussman]

http://www.boinkwithme.com/nick/beatles/john/pics/vi7.jpg

Not sure if this is from the session per se but this is exactly how I pictured him recording it in my mind. I mean look at the seething anger in his eyes. LOL!

[slopeshoulder]

FWIW, Paul recorded the bass track last whenever he could, I think starting with Revolver. He approached the part as composition and wanted it to fit the melody, the drums, and the arrangement perfectly. He often did it after others had left the studio.
He is great.

[LarryNJ]

FWIW, Paul recorded the bass track last whenever he could, I think starting with Revolver. He approached the part as composition and wanted it to fit the melody, the drums, and the arrangement perfectly. He often did it after others had left the studio.
He is great.

Yup.

[Mandoboy]

Evidently, Paul often took the tracks home to work up bass parts, which is why they sound so well thought out- they are!

[FFTT]

FWIW, Paul recorded the bass track last whenever he could, I think starting with Revolver. He approached the part as composition and wanted it to fit the melody, the drums, and the arrangement perfectly. He often did it after others had left the studio.
He is great.

I've always done this when ever possible to prevent the bass part from
stepping on the vocals and to be sure the part stayed strong without
conflicting with the other instruments.

You also tend to compose the bass part more sparingly if you're going to
end up having to play the part live while singing.

[Mandoboy]

You also tend to compose the bass part more sparingly if you're going to
end up having to play the part live while singing.

Unless you are Chris Squire (and who is, really...) :bow

[FFTT]

Case in point, composing a bass part that does not conflict with the vocal
that I could play while singing the vocal.

http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=4892729

My world for a real drummer!

[musicofanatic5]

Nope. But the cultists will try to make you feel that way.

JAM

Yes, I guess I have never have engaged in a "pro-con" discussion of McCartney's bass playing before. Wow, Jeff, You''re right! It really is a cult!!

[LarryNJ]

Hey! What happened to that other post??!
Ya know, the gem where it was stated that
"yes, that's playing it safe!"
I was GONNA say, yeh, the Beatles...McCartney...
What did/do THEY know about recording their music?

I was gonna say that, but then that ummm- really poignant! post disappeared!
2nd thoughts?:rotflmao

Well, gotta go..the CULT meeting is starting!

You got a Cowboys jersey?

Right HERE:



http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/LarryNealJ/douche.jpg


Where IS that selective ignore/filter button to rid out the ummm.. other...posts button?
I LOVE the laughter they bring, but it makes my head hurt a little!
Too much dropping of trou!!!

http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/LarryNealJ/images.jpg

[FFTT]

The Beatles taught me the value of being a well rounded musician and even if that
failed, it was their multi-musicianship that inspired me to learn what I could on bass,
guitar and keyboards.

Today some of the hottest players on the planet still couldn't write a truly original
piece of music if their life depended on it.

[LarryNJ]

The Beatles taught me the value of being a well rounded musician and even if that
failed, it was their multi-musicianship that inspired me to learn what I could on bass,
guitar and keyboards.

Today some of the hottest players on the planet still couldn't write a truly original
piece of music if their life depended on it.

Well said.
The Beatles stand 100% unchallenged at the apex of pop music.
Their craft at songwriting and their evolution as artists, as well as their output as a Band is historic.

I really don't think that statement can be, as Sarah Palin says- "refudiated".

I imagine there are people who don't like to listen to the Beatles- My neighbor is a brilliant Classical pianist; he didn't like a CD of Bill Evans I lent him- His bad, I think, nonetheless, he can choose not to buy Bill Evans CD's.

There's a lot of different levels of playing the bass- what Ron Carter does with Miles and Wayne Shorter is different than what Duck did with Booker T, which is different than what The Ox did, and so on....

As the Bassist for the Beatles, McCartney brought a level of lyricism to the instrument that no one else has done or could ever do quite as brilliantly as he did.
Even recently, in his White House performance, now well into his 60's, he rocked that Hofner! And as a pro myself, with a lot of stage miles, it was apparent how comfortable he was playing (obviously!) and how effortlessly he performed on his instrument, which is a TRUE and real indicator of just how great a player he really is.

I feel that opinions are fine, personal tastes are...personal, but-
There are a few things that are beyond reproach; UN-arguable.
Like the sun setting in the West, gotta pay your taxes, (at least I do), and
in this instance-
What McCartney brought/brings on Bass Guitar to Modern Pop Music...

To say that his supporters, those in awe of his work, are a "Cult" or that his collective body of recorded work- on Beatles songs!!- is somehow lacking.......

Weak logic, very weak.
and Strange!:D:Devil

[FFTT]

I threw this together in like 120 hours as a sort of tribute to my teachers.
I figured if they could do what they did with a pair of 4 tracks, having 8
tracks and a 16 channel mixer would be a luxury, even if it was just a Tascam 488
and a Mackie 1604.

ZNiSrAyjDw8

[jimfog]

Well said.
The Beatles stand 100% unchallenged at the apex of pop music.
Their craft at songwriting and their evolution as artists, as well as their output as a Band is historic.

I really don't think that statement can be, as Sarah Palin says- "refudiated".

I imagine there are people who don't like to listen to the Beatles- My neighbor is a brilliant Classical pianist; he didn't like a CD of Bill Evans I lent him- His bad, I think, nonetheless, he can choose not to buy Bill Evans CD's.

There's a lot of different levels of playing the bass- what Ron Carter does with Miles and Wayne Shorter is different than what Duck did with Booker T, which is different than what The Ox did, and so on....

As the Bassist for the Beatles, McCartney brought a level of lyricism to the instrument that no one else has done or could ever do quite as brilliantly as he did.
Even recently, in his White House performance, now well into his 60's, he rocked that Hofner! And as a pro myself, with a lot of stage miles, it was apparent how comfortable he was playing (obviously!) and how effortlessly he performed on his instrument, which is a TRUE and real indicator of just how great a player he really is.

I feel that opinions are fine, personal tastes are...personal, but-
There are a few things that are beyond reproach; UN-arguable.
Like the sun setting in the West, gotta pay your taxes, (at least I do), and
in this instance-
What McCartney brought/brings on Bass Guitar to Modern Pop Music...

To say that his supporters, those in awe of his work, are a "Cult" or that his collective body of recorded work- on Beatles songs!!- is somehow lacking.......

Weak logic, very weak.
and Strange!:D:Devil

:facepalm

Jeff, Ross........Can I switch teams in this debate, at this juncture???

[LarryNJ]

[QUOTE=jimfog;9409381

Jeff, Ross........Can I switch teams in this debate, at this juncture???[/QUOTE]

Go right ahead....
Plenty of room for you on the Short Bus....:facepalm:facepalm


.....and that is why i killed myself, chopped myself up and threw myself in the garbage.
Good Idea, btw.

[Mandoboy]

Hey, peace, man!

[jimfog]

Larry, (I would have kept this off the board, but you don't accept PM's)

I'm going to ignore (as in, not report THIS time) the personal shots, and just suggest you back off and move on from this conversation.

Everyone's made their point, and nothing more constructive can really be added.

Sorry to all for any negativity I seemed to add to the proceedings. I was at least attempting levity, but this has gone too far, for no good reason.

[LarryNJ]

Larry, (I would have kept this off the board, but you don't accept PM's)

I'm going to ignore (as in, not report THIS time) the personal shots, and just just suggest you back off and move on from this conversation.

Everyone's made their point, and nothing more constructive can really be added.

Sorry to all for any vitriol I seemed to add to the proceedings. I was at least attempting levity, but this has gone too far, for no good reason.

just just suggest you back off and move on from this conversation.

Somewhat well-though out reply, you should have kept that tone and demeanor BEFORE posting your sarcasm, which required a (verbal) slapdown. Easy, like boxing, it's wide-effin open.

And I'll "just just" NOT backoff, and post whenver I'm so inclined, to respond to anything I want to with my opinion, 'Mkayyyy??
No wanna-be mods.

:D

[LarryNJ]

Hey, peace, man!

...All we are Say....ing....
Is....:D

:D

[musicofanatic5]

"Sarah Palin says- "refudiated". Reminds me of them recently posted "useless dribble".

I take exception to that mischaracterization. Isn't "useless dribble" that nervous/ritual bouncing of the basketball commonly occurring just prior to shooting a freethrow?

What I post here is useless drivel and don'chu forget it!

Yeah, I know I professed total happiness with the ignore function. But how many of you can drive by an ugly car wreck without looking...?

All-I-need-is-love!

Hey non-wannabe mods: ain't enough enough, already?

[FFTT]

We have to keep in mind that above all, the Beatles were a vocal group
and the voice is still the most important instrument.

McCartney's band is exceptional, but where would they be
without his songs and without his voice.

I was 11 and already comfortable on alto sax when the Beatles appeared on Ed
Sullivan. My mother saved up and bought my 66 Hofner for my 14th birthday, while we were over in Germany
so yes they inspired me just a wee bit. :-)

[LarryNJ]

"Sarah Palin says- "refudiated". Reminds me of them recently posted "useless dribble".

I take exception to that mischaracterization. Isn't "useless dribble" that nervous/ritual bouncing of the basketball commonly occurring just prior to shooting a freethrow?

What I post here is useless drivel and don'chu forget it!

Yeah, I know I professed total happiness with the ignore function. But how many of you can drive by an ugly car wreck without looking...?

All-I-need-is-love!

Hey non-wannabe mods: ain't enough enough, already?

No ace, I meant DRIBBLE, as in spittle---got that?
Oh I forgot, you use the "ignore" function, yeh right.

Talk about ugly car wrecks, I see about 5K of them..Here ya go- more fodder for your ignore button-
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/LarryNealJ/douchebeatle.jpg
THE RIGHTFUL BASSIST FOR THE BEATLES!!

You do NOT disappoint!!
http://i909.photobucket.com/albums/ac300/LarryNealJ/images.jpg:DWith EVERY POST!

[Brian Scherzer]

Anyone involved in the personal back and forth should stop and let the thread be enjoyable again for the rest of us.