Opinions on the Wizard speaker by Eminence?

[Big Bob]

Looks like it might be a winner. Anyone play on yet?

Thanks
Bob

[Jeff Flowerday]

I need to put about 500 hours on mine before I can pass judgement, currently it crys like a stuck pig.


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[ross]

Originally posted by Jeff Flowerday
I need to put about 500 hours on mine before I can pass judgement, currently it crys like a stuck pig.


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"currently it crys like a stuck pig", is this a good thing or a bad thing?

[Igneous]

right?

[Jeff Flowerday]

Originally posted by ross
"currently it crys like a stuck pig", is this a good thing or a bad thing?


Cone Cry. A bad thing...

[Ohmie]

Hey, I had a Private Jack with bad cone cry. I e-mailed Eminence and their representitive said that speakers with paper cones all have some cone cry. It's B.S. in my opinion. First of all, nearly all guitar speakers have paper cones and the Private Jack was the only one that I've had this problem with. I sent it back and told them to get me a good speaker. It worked. They sent me a brand new Private Jack and it has been behaving itself. So, yes they may cry, but if they cry a lot, you can send them back and get a new one. Eminence has a great warranty:)

[scottl]

I have not noticed any cone cry with my Wizards. Must either be the pu$sy jazz crap I play or inconsistant production runs.....

Scott ;)

[Braciola]

I just put a Wizard in one of my Z-Best 2X12's.
I directly compared it to a G12H30 I have in another Z-Best 2X12 side by side.
It sounds similar the G12H30 with a fatter midrange and more punch.

[Jeff Flowerday]

Originally posted by scottl
I have not noticed any cone cry with my Wizards. Must either be the pu$sy jazz crap I play or inconsistant production runs.....

Scott ;)

Your too fast Scott, you need to spend some time on the note to truelly appreciate cone cry. :D

High E string around 12-17 fret, just hold the note and see if the evil beast will show it's head. It won't happen clean, needs to be gained up a bit.

[radialaced]

Originally posted by Jeff Flowerday
Your too fast Scott, you need to spend some time on the note to truelly appreciate cone cry. :D

High E string around 12-17 fret, just hold the note and see if the evil beast will show it's head. It won't happen clean, needs to be gained up a bit.

I had a Wizard for 1 day. It was defective, (buzzed on certain notes) so I sent it back. I'm still waiting for my new to come in.

While I had it though I did notice cone cry or ghost notes. High E string up past the 12th fret...gained up.

I always listen for that. Some speakers do it a lot. Some amps do it to, (ghost notes). Once you start looking for it you find it with almost all speakers.

I don't believe it is detectable in the mix though, (for live playing).

It would be a pain for recording though, but then again you don't have to run such high volume levels for recording and it shouldn't happen.

FWIW, the Tone Tubby that I recently acquired does not have cone cry or ghost notes. Not at all....but neither does my Jensen reissue P12N.

[zeppo]

Install a pair in a 2x12 last night, 20 minutes of listening says they're pretty damn good. More as I get used to them.

[Boogs]

No cone cry here. My Wizard is awesome to my ears - plenty of chunk and bite, sweet complex highs, just great character.

And I play nowhere near as fast as Scott, so I'm a good test for cone cry...



;)

[Macaroni]

I just sent my Wizard back to Eminence to have them check it out for the same problem - cone cry, ie: skreetching sound. As mentioned above, it happens on the high E string, above the 12th fret, when using OD - especially with the neck pickup on the high A on the E string. Try the neck pickup with OD, Scott, on the high A, and hold it to let it sustain.

That being said, it's an excellent speaker in the vein of the G12H30. It is a bit louder than the other speakers I have (Red Fang, Blue Dog, Scumback SA12-75) so it tends to dominate when using it together with another speaker.

It has great clarity and detail. I hope they send me one that doesn't cry, because I'd like to keep it as part of my select collection.

Maybe it was crying because of my playing! :eek:

[gec78221]

Originally posted by Macaroni
I just sent my Wizard back to Eminence to have them check it out for the same problem - cone cry, ie: skreetching sound. As mentioned above, it happens on the high E string, above the 12th fret, when using OD - especially with the neck pickup on the high A on the E string. Try the neck pickup with OD, Scott, on the high A, and hold it to let it sustain.

That being said, it's an excellent speaker in the vein of the G12H30. It is a bit louder than the other speakers I have (Red Fang, Blue Dog, Scumback SA12-75) so it tends to dominate when using it together with another speaker.

It has great clarity and detail. I hope they send me one that doesn't cry, because I'd like to keep it as part of my select collection.

Maybe it was crying because of my playing! :eek:

How does the Wizard compare to the scumback? Is your scumback an Hp? John

[Macaroni]

How does the Wizard comepare to the scumback? Is your scumback an Hp? John

My Scumback is an SA12-75 model. I haven't actually done a direct A/B comparison. They do share some tonal characteristics in general, but as I mentioned, the Wizard is louder off the bat, so it appears to be a bit more present and in your face due to that - which can be somewhat illusory, ie: the "louder is better" syndrome. My Scumback was pre-broken in, and the Wizard is still in the breaking in period, so it's not quite as smooth in the upper mids and highs yet.

Remember, the Scumback SA12-75 is an exact clone of a pre Rola Celestion G12H30, and the Wizard is Eminence's 'take' on a G12H30, but with much higher power handling, so it's going to be different because of that. I would say they are tonal first cousins, as opposed to brothers. The Wizard may be a sort of hyped up G12H30, in a good way.

[Jeff Flowerday]

Found this on Ted's site...

Cone Cry, Ghost Notes, Edge Yowl
Context: I replaced that speaker because it had too much cone cry.
Description: As the speaker cone is vibrated by the voice coil, it can generate frequencies of its own that may be strong enough to be audible along with the intended note or signal from the musical instrument. These notes or tones may or may not be harmonically related to the intended note, and in some cases may be either higher or lower in frequency than the intended note. This usually means that the voice coil is driving the cone so hard that it is overcoming any damping and is essentially out of control. Sometimes manufacturers use huge magnets and loose spiders so they can win the 'sensitivity ratings' contest, but the result is a system that is difficult to control. Edge yowl is the term used to describe sounds that occur when the surround resonates, imparts energy back into the cone, and generates tones and notes that may or may not be harmonically related to the intended note.


Big magnet, high efficiency, that's the Wizard...

[radialaced]

Originally posted by Jeff Flowerday
Found this on Ted's site...

Cone Cry, Ghost Notes, Edge Yowl
Context: I replaced that speaker because it had too much cone cry.
Description: As the speaker cone is vibrated by the voice coil, it can generate frequencies of its own that may be strong enough to be audible along with the intended note or signal from the musical instrument. These notes or tones may or may not be harmonically related to the intended note, and in some cases may be either higher or lower in frequency than the intended note. This usually means that the voice coil is driving the cone so hard that it is overcoming any damping and is essentially out of control. Sometimes manufacturers use huge magnets and loose spiders so they can win the 'sensitivity ratings' contest, but the result is a system that is difficult to control. Edge yowl is the term used to describe sounds that occur when the surround resonates, imparts energy back into the cone, and generates tones and notes that may or may not be harmonically related to the intended note.


Big magnet, high efficiency, that's the Wizard...

That is very interesting...Hmmm I started thinking about all of my speakers and I have several that don't seem to annoy me with ghost notes. Here they are:

Tone tubby-Alnico
Jensen P12-N - Alnico
P10R Reissues - Anico
early 90's Bassman RI speakers - Alnico
A couple of Celestion Blues in a Bluesbreaker RI - Alnico
and finally a JBL D140F in my pro - Alnico

Does anyone see a common denominator here?

[radialaced]

BTW, I received my second Wizard speaker this morning, (to replace the first one that was defective). And guess what....? It's defect too!:mad:

The cone is frozen and won't move back and forth. I tried flexing it a little and the cone won't budge.

I plugged it into a amp to see if that was set the cone free, but nope.

These speakers are made like $hit!!

[Gearhead]

Waah, that sucks.

I have a pair of Wizards in a 2x12, and they are killer. Have been since the day I got them, and they're getting even better. As has been said, they are a bit more in your face, but definitely not spikey.

A possible noteworthy thing is I got them just as they came out. In fact, they were drop shipped to me directly from Eminence because the outfit I bought them from hadn't recieved their first shipment yet.

I had the same long saga as you, except with a QUAD of Private Jacks. They buzzed like the Flight of the Bumblebees. Eventually gave up on them (although others seem to love em, or are lucky). Replaced them with Governors, which have been excellent.

[Boogs]

Originally posted by Gearhead


A possible noteworthy thing is I got them just as they came out. In fact, they were drop shipped to me directly from Eminence because the outfit I bought them from hadn't recieved their first shipment yet.



I also got mine before the stores had their stocks, dropshipped after placing the order with Avatar.

Again, no probs, great speaker.

[Shemp]

I have 2 in a huge Madsounds 2X12 cab driven by an EL 34 Shiva head. I'm not sold on them yet for clean, but for crunch and lead they are absolutely outstanding.

[spikeRI]

don't pretty much all speakers sound like crappe' before breaking in?.......thats been my experience (tho limited), I generally give'em a month unless something sounds just horrid (have bought used speakers with rubs before......you can tell these right away)

[radialaced]

Originally posted by radialaced
That is very interesting...Hmmm I started thinking about all of my speakers and I have several that don't seem to annoy me with ghost notes. Here they are:

Tone tubby-Alnico
Jensen P12-N - Alnico
P10R Reissues - Anico
early 90's Bassman RI speakers - Alnico
A couple of Celestion Blues in a Bluesbreaker RI - Alnico
and finally a JBL D140F in my pro - Alnico

Does anyone see a common denominator here?

Okay, I'm wrong. :(

I just listened to the Tone Tubby at high volume, high E and B string above the 12th fret with some gain. I put ear protection on and I could hear ghost notes.

I wonder how many of my other speakers make ghost notes that I didn't notice before.

I still think Alnicos do it less, (probably because they inherently have less bass anyway).

[Jeff Flowerday]

Originally posted by radialaced
Okay, I'm wrong. :(

I just listened to the Tone Tubby at high volume, high E and B string above the 12th fret with some gain. I put ear protection on and I could hear ghost notes.

I wonder how many of my other speakers make ghost notes that I didn't notice before.

I still think Alnicos do it less, (probably because they inherently have less bass anyway).

Some amps induce it more than others.

ie) Wizard crys like crazy with my Fuchs and 66' Deluxe but it's not too bad in my Hot Cat 15.

Cannibis Rex, Weber California, vintage JBLs, EVMs won't cry at all with my Fuchs and all other amps. These are all ceramic.

[Macaroni]

In my experience, the cone cry never happened with high wattage speakers, which is why I was surprised with the Wizard.

It happens most when playing with OD (amp or pedal), and using the neck pickup up in those regions above the 12th fret.

[Roccaforte Amps]

I just recieved a Wizzard, and its absolutely amazing.
IMO, just as good as the Govenor, a softer top end,
and less compression.

Everyone reading this thread should understand
that an amplifier can cause many unwanted side
effects with different speakers.
I notice that many people on this board consider
"ghost notes" cone cry. This is totally incorrect.
Cone cry is a low frequency oscillation,
you'll really hear it when palm muting a low E cord
if a speaker has this problem.
The sound is like a power amp thats out of balance,
or like you have a torn cone.
So far I haven't heard one Eminence speaker do this.
Doug

[Big Bob]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
I just recieved a Wizzard, and its absolutely amazing.
IMO, just as good as the Govenor, a softer top end,
and less compression.

Everyone reading this thread should understand
that an amplifier can cause many unwanted side
effects with different speakers.
I notice that many people on this board consider
"ghost notes" cone cry. This is totally incorrect.
Cone cry is a low frequency oscillation,
you'll really hear it when palm muting a low E cord
if a speaker has this problem.
The sound is like a power amp thats out of balance,
or like you have a torn cone.
So far I haven't heard one Eminence speaker do this.
Doug


Thanks for setting us straight Doug. I always thought some folks were confusing IM distortion w/ "cone cry".

Anyway I think Eminence might have a QC issue. Still I'm going to try a Wizard and hope for the best.

Thanks for the responses!
Bob

[Braciola]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
I just recieved a Wizzard, and its absolutely amazing.
IMO, just as good as the Govenor, a softer top end,
and less compression.
I like it much better than the Governor.
Much more clarity!

You know, the more time I spend with the Governors the more I'm getting to dislike them.
They do have a very warm crunchy lower midrange, but I think it's a lack of upper mids that makes the Governor too undefined for me.

[Jeff Flowerday]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
I just recieved a Wizzard, and its absolutely amazing.
IMO, just as good as the Govenor, a softer top end,
and less compression.

Everyone reading this thread should understand
that an amplifier can cause many unwanted side
effects with different speakers.
I notice that many people on this board consider
"ghost notes" cone cry. This is totally incorrect.
Cone cry is a low frequency oscillation,
you'll really hear it when palm muting a low E cord
if a speaker has this problem.
The sound is like a power amp thats out of balance,
or like you have a torn cone.
So far I haven't heard one Eminence speaker do this.
Doug

I'm experiencing the following:
When playing certain notes up in 12-17 fret range on the high E, the original note dies quickly and a lower frequency rattling/wining noise takes over.

It pisses me off when all my amps cause it to happen to some degree with certain speakers.

My next question is will speaker break in help reduce the effect?

ie) I have a well broke in vintage G12H30 in my 18 Watt that performs perfectly, my reissue G12H30 displays the above symptoms.

[Roccaforte Amps]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff Flowerday
[B]I'm experiencing the following:
When playing certain notes up in 12-17 fret range on the high E, the original note dies quickly and a lower frequency rattling/wining noise takes over.

It pisses me off when all my amps cause it to happen to some degree with certain speakers.

My next question is will speaker break in help reduce the effect?






not if your amp is causing it.

[Ohmie]

Doug, when amps cause ghost notes is this a problem with the filter caps-- the power section?

[Jeff Flowerday]

Originally posted by Ohmie
Doug, when amps cause ghost notes is this a problem with the filter caps-- the power section?

Yah, inquiring minds want to know...

[ericb]

Originally posted by Roccaforte Amps
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jeff Flowerday
[B]I'm experiencing the following:
When playing certain notes up in 12-17 fret range on the high E, the original note dies quickly and a lower frequency rattling/wining noise takes over.

It pisses me off when all my amps cause it to happen to some degree with certain speakers.

My next question is will speaker break in help reduce the effect?






not if your amp is causing it.

It's the speakers though ... make of my stmt what you wilL!!! If it happens with some speakers and not others , it's the speakers. It's their reaction to volume and filtering of the amp. If it's a nasty noise it's cone cry . If it's a ghost note it's a ghost note.. There ain't no mistaking the 2 of them, although you'll read all kinds of stuff about it!!!!!!!!!!!!! ERIC

[Roccaforte Amps]

Originally posted by Ohmie
Doug, when amps cause ghost notes is this a problem with the filter caps-- the power section?






Not always, tubes can cause it too.
Many amplifiers do this, however
curing the problem can change
the tone.

[Ohmie]

I see. Thanks Doug!

[celestion101]

Originally posted by Suhr

I A/B's some Governers with the V30's and gotta say I'm leaning towards the Governers, they are sweeter but crisper, less flab.
I will try the Wizards Today and a bunch of Eminence with Scott Henderson in 2x12 and 4x12s

just read Dougs note... gotta agree!

You guys are breaking my heart!:D

[celestion101]

Originally posted by Suhr
Sorry dude!
Come on over! Scott will be here this afternoon
Who knows.... maybe Scott will hate them, he loves his G12M and has them in his 2x12 he is bringing as well.
Funny thing is they say the Governer is their "V30" I dont think it sound like the V30 at all but sounds pretty nice.

When are we going riding?

I was kidding of course....tone is subjective and we know that. However, I just received 4 of the new highly sought-after Heritage G12's and can't wait to load them in a cab. I played through these in England and IMO, they are the new benchmark for sound....and I mean that as a working player and not just an employee!

On the other subject....my bike was stolen out of the back of my truck!!!!!!!!! I stayed at my folks 2nd home in Arrowhead (generally a real nice crime free area) and loaded the bike into my truck after an evening ride. I planned to leave early the next morning so I parked up the driveway and thought that all would be fine. In fact, whomever did it had to look for my bike because you couldn't see it in my truck from the street. They must have seen me pull in. Anyway....Thankfully State Farm is a great insurance company and is paying me almost as much as I paid for it new (though Blue Book is several thousand less). After I showed them how tricked out the bike was (receipts and pic's), and the explained that you can no longer make a dirt model street legal in CA, they kicked in the cash. I'll have another bike in a few weeks. It sucks though because the DRZ was running great.:(

Oh well, now I get a new toy!:dude

[celestion101]

Originally posted by Suhr
Ahhh Crap! Just dont get one of those Orange junkers or when we go riding I'll have to tow ya!

Well you would have been happy with Scotts opinion on the 2x12's today. We didnt try the Wizard but did try
The Governer
Tonker
G12M
V30
all in the same cab CAE front Ported 2x12 (my design actually computer modeled/tuned and designed around the V30)

Scott used single coils, Od100 amp, treble rolled off the guitar like on 5 and volume down a hair (the way he likes it)
I used a Humbucker carve top guitar full up

The short of it was that Scott liked the G12M in the 2x12 the best
Next he liked the V30 but when push a little in volume the high note cone cry was unbearable and the G12M had none of that.
The Governer had MUCH less cry but Scott felt it was too dark didnt have the upper register volume the G12M had. So he prefers the V30 over the Governer if you are playing lower volumes but said he would not use any of them except the G12M and the cone cry rendered the V30 useless in his opinion.

Totally different flavor of taste here I'm more of an 80's mindset.
I Loved the Governer, it was sweet crisp and made the 2x12 sound like a 4x12. The governer to me had MORE clarity less flabby and was tighter for aggressive rock. Rounder bigger bottom end. I thought the V30 was too focused in upper mids and a bit boxy on the low registers but still had no real problem with it and the cone cry for the way I play was not an issue that I heard but was very evident with Scotts playing, it was night and day. I cant see offering the G12M in a 2x12 because of the crippled wattage rating. In my V30 designed 2x12 the Governer was a winner but Scott disagreed. I listened to them all again after he left and everyone in my shop agreed with me (Of course! Suprise)

Both of us did not like the Tonker at all in a 2x12 but I will give it another chance in a 1x12. It hurt basically maybe just the wrong cab but I think we just didnt care for the tone of it

Next week I will try the Wizard in a 2x12 and 4x12 and the Governers in the 4x12 which I have a feeling I will like.

So lets he these boutique Celestians!!!! bring em on!
They were delivered to me yesterday (four G12H's). What day should I bring them in?

[celestion101]

Originally posted by Suhr
Anytime Rick! Just give me a days notice.
I have some 4x12's here all the same cab....
I have some Governers in one cab, wizards in another, G12Ms in one so we can both give them all a listen, feel free to bring one of your amps as well

Cool........we'll touch base at the beginning of the week!

[Marcello]

hey guys, thanks for your review, really helps ! waiting for your wizard review. I'm looking for a good all around speaker for a 1x12 combo.

[radialaced]

I'm bumming. I received two defective Wizards so far. I'm still waiting for my third Wizard to arrive. It's been a month since I bought and paid for the first one.

BTW, I bought this speaker from a very highly regarded speaker supplier on this board. I think they should discontinue selling this junk until Eminence gets this sorted out.:(

[gearo999]

I took my Avatar 212 with Wizards to practice tonight and used my Marshall TSL 100 head. It sounded nice but was lacking the midrange punch of V30. It did not cut the mix as much as the other guitar players Orange 212 and Rockerverb 100. I think a V30 and a Wizard will be a much better combination. Marshall are know for their mids and buzzy top end but the punch was just missing. Just a little too smooth.

Any recommendations for replacing one speaker in this cab?

[fast ricky love]

Interesting thread... I put a Governor in my UG30 (love it!) but I'm getting cone cry on one note in particular (D, B string, 15th fret, bent up to the E). Everything else sounds wonderful but this bugs me... will it soften with time, or should I try another?

[HeeHaw]

I'm beginning to think I should not have ordered 4 Wizards from Dave.:(

[fast ricky love]

Where can you buy Eminence speakers and return them if there is a problem? I got mine from AmericanSupply and they don't offer returns on speakers... :mad:

[Buckeyedog]

HeeHaw, at least give them a shot, may not work out for you but you may really dig them too. I've ordered a Wizard and Private Jack from Weber to put in a 212. I'll break them in with a variac to save time. I'll also run at loud volumes to see if I can get the "cone cry" or whatever.

fast ricky, maybe contact eminence directly. They seem to have pretty good customer service, maybe they'll at least do an exchange or something. Can't hurt to give it a shot.

Funny how for weeks and months, there was almost all positive reviews, not it's really negative. Just kind of interesting. I still really like my 212 with Governors with my Budda.......better than the v30 212 cab I just got.

[gearo999]

Originally posted by Suhr
I would slap a new G12H "Heritage" in there or two!
Unless the wattage worries you, maybe a Governer but this harmonizer aspect is floating around in these speakers

I may consider that. I have to save my pennies. Those speakers are a bit rich.

I run most of my amps at 50 watts so I should be ok.

[Ohmie]

If you need to send back an Eminence speaker, and the place that you bought it from won't cooperate, then go directly through Eminence. Just follow the instructions on the warranty card. I bought my Private Jack used and I went directly to Eminence with my problem. They gave me instructions on how to send it back to them (keep the box if you can). Within two weeks they sent me a new Private Jack and this new one works great. I think that if there is a large problem with these speakers Eminence will figure it out and fix whatever is the matter with them. In the meantime, you can take advantage of their great warranty.

[r9player]

I'll break them in with a variac to save time.

Say BuckeyeDog .. how do you use a Variac to do this .. obviously you are creating some wave but how do you go from Variac to speakers?

[gearo999]

I love being a tone junky and sometimes things just work themselves out.

I was going to sell this amp. I just haven't been playing it and I don't want to have money tied up in something I'm not using. It was going to Ebay this weekend until today. I took to band practice yesterday and I was not satisfied with the sound I was getting. I have a MXR 10 band EQ in the loop but I could not tweak it to get a good sound. Well, while we were waming up today I turned off the efx and it sounded so much better without the EQ. So I put the eq flat and it was still sucking the tone. I pull out the EQ and it sounds killer. I had a Boss GE 7 in my gig bag and I put it in the loop flat. With the loop on and off the tone of the amp was full and rich sounding. On the EQ I boosted the lows to compensate for the open back cab, drop 200hz a bit to get rid of the mud and this amp sounds awesome.
Another thing is this Marshall has to be turned up to band volumes to come alive (not ear bleeding, but the volume on 2) and if f@#king roared tonight. The second channel can do everything I need and the third channel is used for leads and has a slight volume boost. It cuts thru the mix like a hot knife thru butter. I didn't even need the Bad Monkey or SD1 for leads.

I have another 4 hours on the Avatar with Wizards and its starting to breath. I thought the Wizards were lacking in mids but the MXR EQ was killing the tone.

Today was a good day to be a guitar player.

[Buckeyedog]

Hey R9, the variac that I have just has two leads and you just hook them up to each tab of the speaker, set it on the ground facing up and turn up the variac. There is a formula for how much you can run through that I'll try to post later. It produces a 60 cycle hum that vibrates the speaker cone....just leave it on for several hours and it's pretty much broken in (at least enough to get the stiffness out).

Gearo, don't you love it when stuff like that works out?? Wasn't real happy with my Budda running through my new (used) cab with V30's.......changed 2 pre amp tubes, tweaked the EQ and man it was rockin' yesterday!!

Kevin

[scottl]

Hi John,

Have you tried the Tonespotter? I am curious what you think....

Thanks!

Scott

[Buckeyedog]

Here's something I found for the variac thing:

Another option is to use a variac into the primary side of the 12.6 volt filament transformer and dial in the voltage you want on the secondary. That way, you can dial in the 11.5 volts we originally calculated at the 1/3 power level. I'd also suggest performing the operation in a garage or closet, because listening to the loud 60hz hum from the speaker will grate on your nerves very quickly. Also, if you leave the speaker out of the cabinet, the rear radiation of the speaker will cancel alot of the front radiation and reduce the noise. You need to lay the speaker face up though, so the cone can move as much as possible since the whole idea of this operation is to loosen up the cone and spider. Laying the speaker face down would trap air between the cone and the surface of the table and restrict cone movement. You're going to be surprised how much the cone moves and how loud the speaker is, even at 1/3 power.
Here's the math for determining the correct voltage to use in case you have a different wattage and impedance rating than our example above:
1. Take the power rating of the speaker and divide it by 3.
2. Take that number and multiply it by the speaker's Ohm rating (4, 8, or 16)
3. Use your calculator to find the square root of that number.
4. The result is the voltage you need to use to drive the speaker at 1/3 its rated power.

[fusionid]

Im still on the trial mode but the more I break the wizard in the more I like it.

[RJLII]

I've been paying a Carr Rambler with a Wizard for a couple years now. I think it sounds pretty good but I've never tried anything else.

[fusionid]

I a/b it against a well broken in chinese G12H 30 70th any and I find the wizard sounds bigger. More bold, a tad louder, a bit more spikey in the high frequency range but for my current needs it is perfect. Love this speaker so far.

[Kelly]

Replaced the Eminence/Fryette speakers in my cab with Wizards. They sounded better (to me) out of the box than the P50s did in the 5 years I used them.

[Tommy_G]

I a/b it against a well broken in chinese G12H 30 70th any and I find the wizard sounds bigger. More bold, a tad louder, a bit more spikey in the high frequency range but for my current needs it is perfect. Love this speaker so far.

Interesting...I find the greenback voiced Reignmaker 'wider' (eg. bigger) than the Celestion Greenbacks. That said, the Celestions cut and sit in a band context with a lot of focus (esp w/ 3 guitars) and crunch like there's no tommorrow. The pick articulation is amazing. The reignmaker, while very similar in its overall tonality comes across as rounder and mellower, and works great on smaller stages with fewer guitar players.

[fusionid]

Tommy, based on my experience with several eminence speaker models, it seems in comparison to celestion, their speakers are "more efficient", louder, with wider frequency which translates to a fuller sound that might or not work in some settings.

[fusionid]

Here is another set of overdriven tones

Lightning matchless
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86198195/matchlessoverdrive.m4a

Flexi THD EL34s
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86198195/marshalldrive.m4a

[Gtrmike54]

and just for grins I put it in my Tweaker 15, which of course comes with a Chinese G12H30, and the Wizard is G12H-ish. I actually like the Wizard a bit better. Mids seem smoother, plenty of lows and highs. Seems to be more "listenable", or more musical, maybe. I've had the G12H in there for about a year and a half, which is unusual for me, as I am constantly changing speakers. I was happy with the G12H, just tried the Wizard for the hell of it. I'm going to leave it in for a while.

Mike

[Sun Creature]

Had them in my Green ElectricAmp 4x12. Awesome sounding, nice chimey high with my Mesa.

Extremely loud as well.