Clean Tones for Cheap

[alderash]

I'd like a low-wattage combo amp that has a good clean tone and takes pedals really well — all for the low, low price of $500 (new or used).

What's my best bet for quality cleans at a budget price?

[garfight]

im partial to the old gibson ga series amps. they can be had relatively cheap and sound fantastic. the brown tolex/silver control panel ones seem to sound best but, there are some white panel ones that sound good as well.they run the gamut of cleans sounds depending on which power tubes are in them.the el84 versions are real voxy sounding and the 6v6 versions are fendery sounding.
http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/GearDetails.aspx?Item=816014

http://www.gbase.com/Stores/Gear/GearDetails.aspx?Item=805194

theres a couple of examples for ya. as for newer amps i hear good things about the fender hot rod series but have no first hand knowledge of their reliability.
good luck

[Jonathan]

Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (not really low wattage though). Can be had used for around $400.

It hung with my Carr Rambler, and I preferred the way it took pedals over the Carr.

Can't give an answer on reliability, however.

[MVrider]

MusicMan amps do the clean thing very welll and are rugged and cheap. Have no idea about the pedal thing, though. I've never used one.

[Mark Robinson]

Get the word out, one will come to you. I used a Pro Reverb with pedals for a long time. Really nice clean sound, took the pedals of the day very well. Only thing it lacked was some control over the lowest octave. It could flab out a bit if driven pretty hard.

[Tag]

Originally posted by Earth Machine
Fender Hot Rod Deluxe (not really low wattage though). Can be had used for around $400.

It hung with my Carr Rambler, and I preferred the way it took pedals over the Carr.

Can't give an answer on reliability, however.

Agree on theHR Deluxe! Killer amp at any price! :)

[aquadog]

I like the peavy classic 30's a lot more than the Hot rod devilles. You can get them really cheap used as well, and then switch out the speakers and tubes.
They even sound good stock.

[Tag]

Originally posted by aquadog
I like the peavy classic 30's a lot more than the Hot rod devilles. You can get them really cheap used as well, and then switch out the speakers and tubes.
They even sound good stock.

Thats another great one! Overall, I give the edge to the PV, but for cleans, personally I like the Fenders quite a bit more. The overdrive on the PV KILLS the Fender though imo. Both such great amps!:dude

[alderash]

Thank you all for your input so far.

The Hot Rod Deluxe looks great, but I'm concerned about the wattage — 40 watts is way more than I need right now. I won't really be able to drive the tubes at that wattage without receiving a few irate phone calls. Something in the 15 to 20 watt range would be nice.

I was going to go for a silverface Princeton Reverb, but those things are expensive! Forget about the Deluxe Reverbs; they're even more pricey — and I thought I heard Tag say he hated them anyway. :) (Why is that, Tag?)

Anyway, I appreciate the suggestions!

[Tomo]

Yes, Fender Hot Rod is really good.
Peavy 30 is good for blues... I don't know about
pure clean. HR got more headroom.

I don't think you can find any silver face Fender
under $500... I even paid my Silver face Princeton
$450? a couple years ago..

Actually once I sold this Princeton to another student of mine
.who gave to his room mate.... the person I bought
back from...


Tomo

[Tag]

Originally posted by alderash
Thank you all for your input so far.

The Hot Rod Deluxe looks great, but I'm concerned about the wattage — 40 watts is way more than I need right now. I won't really be able to drive the tubes at that wattage without receiving a few irate phone calls. Something in the 15 to 20 watt range would be nice.

I was going to go for a silverface Princeton Reverb, but those things are expensive! Forget about the Deluxe Reverbs; they're even more pricey — and I thought I heard Tag say he hated them anyway. :) (Why is that, Tag?)

Anyway, I appreciate the suggestions!

Deluxe reverbs sound cool cranked for blues. Other than that, they are thin sounding to me. Can be quite nasally as well. Kind of a paradox, but thats how I hear them! One of my least favorite Fenders, and I love most Fenders!

[Macaroni]

I rented a Fender Hot Rod Deluxe for a gig and it was great, clean and with pedals. I played a big room with around 500 people and I had the Volume at 3!

You should check out the Traynor YCV40 (2-6L6s) and YCV20 (2-EL84s).

[AshlandBump]

You can get a used Reverend Hellhound (switchable between 40/60 watts) for $450 or less. No longer made, replaced by the Kingsnake, but they're a very good clean amp and have a better speaker, imho, than a HRD or Classic 30.

[bluesdoc]

PV C30

Rev Hellhound

Traynor YCV 40

jon

[Marcello]

Originally posted by aquadog
I like the peavy classic 30's a lot more than the Hot rod devilles. You can get them really cheap used as well, and then switch out the speakers and tubes.
They even sound good stock.

i tried a classic 30 recently and i wasn't impressed, the OD is fizzy and the cleans are ok.

[iplaydirty]

If you liked the idea of the hot rod but want something smaller why not try out the Fender Blues Jr or Pro Jr.
At 15 watts it sounds like what you might want, plus with the money you save you could afford another pedal or two :D

or you could buy another pro jr ;)
one for home and two for the show :dude

[Tag]

Originally posted by Marcello
i tried a classic 30 recently and i wasn't impressed, the OD is fizzy and the cleans are ok.

Strange. What I like about the PV is that the overdrive is not fizzy or buzzy at all. I am going by the classic 50 though, not the 30. I have had little time with a 30, but I do think the 50s cleans are quite a bit better than the 30s.

[alderash]

Originally posted by iplaydirty
If you liked the idea of the hot rod but want something smaller why not try out the Fender Blues Jr or Pro Jr.
I've definitely considered both, but I wasn't sure how the cleans were on them — I always thought they'd have a darker tone and not be very sparkly.

[XBic]

Originally posted by alderash
I've definitely considered both, but I wasn't sure how the cleans were on them — I always thought they'd have a darker tone and not be very sparkly.
The Pro Jr. can definitely get sparkly, but once you go past 5 or so (3-4 w/ a 'bucker) you're not going to be in the clean realm any longer... it starts to break up at that point (very nicely, I might add). But it is still a prett darn good amp for the money.

[rh]

Originally posted by alderash
I've definitely considered both, but I wasn't sure how the cleans were on them — I always thought they'd have a darker tone and not be very sparkly.

I think the Blues Jr has a great clean sound at low volume. It's an EL84 clean, which I like personally but which sounds very different than a 6V6 or 6L6 type clean.

This is a great thread. I'd been looking for a 30w-40w combo to carry out. I'm definitely checking out a Fender HR Deluxe now. I'd completely forgotten about that amp.

[EchoGecko]

Do "low wattage" and "clean" go in the same sentance together?

I've got a Reverend Kingsnake and love the cleans. 60W but only 35 lbs. I replaced the speaker though, didn't like the Neodyne AT ALL.

[iplaydirty]

Originally posted by XBic
The Pro Jr. can definitely get sparkly, but once you go past 5 or so (3-4 w/ a 'bucker) you're not going to be in the clean realm any longer... it starts to break up at that point (very nicely, I might add). But it is still a prett darn good amp for the money.


I've only played the pro jr with a stock american strat and did not really turn it up far enough to really break up though I played it with both knobs around 5 or six and it sounded great. Again this was straight in with a strat. I also must admit I don't mind a little dirt around my cleans. I almost bought two of them and was planing to morph them into two heads for a stereo rig, but then I stumbled upon the ac30cc so my guitar budget got shot. My ac30cc head is supposed to be in sometime around the 17th I can't wait! :D I still plan on getting a pro jr. sometime.

Back to the topic...

As mentioned before, the pro jr can get the sparkle, I also found it to have quite a bit more "vibe" to it as opposed to any other fender which felt a bit "dry" I know words can be slippery but I still think it is worth a try.

What are you wanting to use it for? Stage bedroom? Mic or wide open? That might help us make better recomendations.

As said before The Hot Rod Deville will stay clean while playing in a large room without a mic. But if you are going to mic the amp or be in a bedroom then you may want to save some bucks and get more vibe. And as said before low watts break up really "nice" if you ever want it.

[alderash]

Originally posted by iplaydirty
What are you wanting to use it for? Stage bedroom? Mic or wide open? That might help us make better recomendations.
Initially for home use and studio, hence the low wattage requirement. If it tends to go beyond 10 or 15 watts I'll wind up putting an OD pedal in front of it, but otherwise I might try some natural tube overdrive.

I read a thread recently which stated that it's better to find a single channel amp with a great clean and add OD pedals to taste, rather than try to find a do-it-all amp with channel switching and sacrifice the basic inherent clean tone. This thread is based on that concept, but also throws in the wrenches of low wattage and low budget! I know, now I'm asking too much! :)

Thanks all!

[Tomo]

Originally posted by rh
I think the Blues Jr has a great clean sound at low volume. It's an EL84 clean, which I like personally but which sounds very different than a 6V6 or 6L6 type clean.

This is a great thread. I'd been looking for a 30w-40w combo to carry out. I'm definitely checking out a Fender HR Deluxe now. I'd completely forgotten about that amp.



I get many amp questions form Japan..
once I suggested fender Blues Jr for home practicing
at my monthly article. It's always back order..
That is good amp for good price. I love my Champ 12 too.
For practicing.. very good.

PS, Compare with Fender Black Face amps, Blues Jr,
Hot Rod are very bassy amp. That's why called Hot Rod!


Tomo

[AshlandBump]

Originally posted by alderash
I read a thread recently which stated that it's better to find a single channel amp with a great clean and add OD pedals to taste, rather than try to find a do-it-all amp with channel switching and sacrifice the basic inherent clean tone. This thread is based on that concept, but also throws in the wrenches of low wattage and low budget! I know, now I'm asking too much! :)

Thanks all!

I think that's a good approach -- I used to look for amps that tried to do everything and gave that up. Usually amps that try to "do it all" either do one, if that, tone well, the rest is compromise. You also want to make sure whatever amp you choose takes pedals well -- not all do. My original suggestion - the Hellhound - does. Keep in mind, too, that a "low powered" amp can still get incredibly loud before you get power amp tube breakup/crunch. An AC-15 is 15 watts, but it's loud as hell. There are so many different overdrive/distortion pedals on the market now you're sure to find one that has the tone you're looking for.

[alderash]

Originally posted by Tomo
Compare with Fender Black Face amps, Blues Jr,
Hot Rod are very bassy amp. That's why called Hot Rod!
And that's exactly why I had some hesitation concerning this line; I guess I'm after more blackface-type tones - or even silverface.

[Jonathan]

Originally posted by alderash
And that's exactly why I had some hesitation concerning this line; I guess I'm after more blackface-type tones - or even silverface.

Play it before you get too hesitated.

I sold my HRDeluxe to get a Silverface Twin (having not played one) and was quite disappointed. The Twin immediately attacked me with an icepick.......sold it and bought another HRD.

I believe that most of them will be a little over your price range.....and if they haven't been serviced in awhile, they'll probably need a cap job (another $100).

Just try to find one to play before you invest in it........Silverfaces are usually all over the used instrument stores.

I personally didn't care for the ProJr. at all, either......if you are more after Blackface-type tones, it's not even close. The HRD is.....but like Tomo said....its bassier (I run the bass very low).

[Marcello]

Traynor ycv40, great amp, awesome cleans, cheap. Beleive me it blows away any fenders i've tried. Guitar player's pick award
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=101/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/489074/

[alderash]

How would a Blues Deluxe compare to a Hot Rod Deluxe? Since the BD is wrapped in tweed, does that mean it's a true tweedy-sounding amp, or simply a cosmetic touch?

A few here have praised the clean on a HRD, and I'm just curious if the same thing applied to the BD as well.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by alderash
And that's exactly why I had some hesitation concerning this line; I guess I'm after more blackface-type tones - or even silverface.

That's true!

Berklee use Fender Hot Rod for classes, private lessons.
It's really difficult to teach about nuances, because it has too much
bass. It almost make you sound good? Confusing. So I set
Treble 10, middle 4, bass 0, presence 5... still bassy compare
to good old Black Face.

For starter, hot rod or blues Jr, is good. But after you understand
how important your Tone is.. then you need better amp..

But Fender black face.. I know how to choose.. but you need to
know pros and cons for choosing Black Face or Silver face..
need to be update all caps and re-tube...and change speaker..
usually cost more than the amp.. but it's worth it.

I highly recommend spend more money than guitar.
In fact one point I only had 3 guitars but I had 8 black face
fenders. No matter how expensive guitar you play..all comes
out from your amp. Of course your fingers and your feeling too.

PS, I tell this to my student.
Get your amp, even you loan your money, because if
you wait.... ..."

Once I asked my pedal builder.... Can you make
"Clean pedal" instead Overdrive or Booster???
This will clean up bassy tone.... Unhot Rod...
Tomo

[alderash]

So what do you recommend then, Tomo? Say I want to hear these nuances and tonal subtleties, but I have to be concious of a budget right now. I know some folks would say to just keep saving until you can get an amp with these qualities, but I'm looking for the best I can do right now.

If the Hot Rod line is bassy and somewhat void of nuances (in your estimation), what would you recommend?

[Tag]

Originally posted by Earth Machine
Play it before you get too hesitated.

I sold my HRDeluxe to get a Silverface Twin (having not played one) and was quite disappointed. The Twin immediately attacked me with an icepick.......sold it and bought another HRD.

I believe that most of them will be a little over your price range.....and if they haven't been serviced in awhile, they'll probably need a cap job (another $100).

Just try to find one to play before you invest in it........Silverfaces are usually all over the used instrument stores.

I personally didn't care for the ProJr. at all, either......if you are more after Blackface-type tones, it's not even close. The HRD is.....but like Tomo said....its bassier (I run the bass very low).

My HR Deville has no more bass than my 66 Pro or Super reverb, or SF Vibrolux reverb. The HR Deluxe may have more, but I do not remember it being that way. In any case, to my ears they sound as good as the vintage blackface amps.

[alderash]

Tag,

Have you had any experience with a Fender Blues Deluxe? How would you characterize that clean tone compared to the HR Deluxe?

[Tag]

Originally posted by alderash
Tag,

Have you had any experience with a Fender Blues Deluxe? How would you characterize that clean tone compared to the HR Deluxe?

A buddy of mine picked up a NOS Blues Deluxe at a great price. I think the HR Deluxe has a much better clean tone. Not sure about the "nuances" some are talking about, but my HR Deville sounds as good as any amp I have except my Brunos. It has better cleans than my Matchless DC 30, Hotcat, Blackcat, Fuchs, Marshall TSL, Mesa MK III, and I liked it more for cleans than a Komet, Allesandro highend english, every Dr Z I have played, three Dumbles, two Cornfords, three VHTs, Mesa Tremoverb, Bogner Shiva and XTC, three Carrs, and every other amp I played at Ultrasound. It has world class cleans that will hang with or surpass just about anything made imo. I have directly A\Bd them all. :dude The Allesandro Rottwieler has better cleans. That is another SMOKING amp. The reverb is a bit 2 dimensional though when compared to the fenders.

[Tomo]

Originally posted by alderash
So what do you recommend then, Tomo? Say I want to hear these nuances and tonal subtleties, but I have to be concious of a budget right now. I know some folks would say to just keep saving until you can get an amp with these qualities, but I'm looking for the best I can do right now.

If the Hot Rod line is bassy and somewhat void of nuances (in your estimation), what would you recommend?


Well, I love my Black Face Fenders and my Fuchs 50 mod(really
great clean!!! ). If I can't express my feeling and nuances...
I don't like that... I prefer nice balance from top to bottom,
a bit brighter side. I just don't like too warm(muddy).

It's tough. But this is your investment for your Tone &
playing... earlier you get your right amp... you cab avoid
bad habits like playing very hard.. If I were you. I just use
my credit card and pay it back later. The Hot Rod, if you
compare with Black Face Fender... of course there is difference
... But you could live with Hot Rod too. I guess you have
a budget here, so you can't get everything with your budget.
Are you agree?

Hope you can find cheep Silver face Fender and work on a little
bit. (cap change...) You should check out every amps you are
interested in... You need to feel it by yourself. I am just expressing
my feel of amps. So don't listen to me 100%...
Even though I suggested certain amp... especially
vintage, even Hotrod... each amp is different condition, You don't
assume the name has great tone. Please check it by yourself.
You are the owner! I took my time to help you. Now your turn
to do home work. Go out check out amps!

Tomo

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Tag
My HR Deville has no more bass than my 66 Pro or Super reverb, or SF Vibrolux reverb. The HR Deluxe may have more, but I do not remember it being that way. In any case, to my ears they sound as good as the vintage blackface amps.

I don't usually express my disagree feeling. But I have to disagree
very very strongly.

Depends on how you set your amp, what kind of guitar,
how you pick your guitar, how you hear things...
Everybody has own taste.

Here is my feeling comparing between Black Face &
Hot Rod.

I set my Black Face ... Pro Reverb, Volume 2.5-3
Treble 6-7
Bass 3-4
no Revereb (when I do check the Tone)
How do you set up? Pro Reverb and Hot rod.

It's really easy for me to use picking nunaces to
create good vocal like tone, funky grooves..

Super got middle.. so I set 5-6

I just don't get crisp top end on Hot Rod.. I have to
work hard to not hit hard... because I don't hear
that top end that I am looking for unless
Bright Switch on. Something muddy for me.
Just my opinion...

Also if you take speaker from your Hot Rod 12
... listen to this speaker in regular Black Face
or Silver face ... this speaker is very bright...
so I think Hot Rod is tuned to be fatter tone
with this speakers. I just can't say that Hot Rod sound
as good as the vintage Black faces.

It's time to make dounts.

Tomo

[FatTeleTom]

I'd *really* recommend checking out the Traynor YCV 40 or 20 amps.

I got my YCV40WR model (with the Vintage 30 speaker) for $569 new from musiciansbuy.com, although I think the price has gone up since then.

Great clean channel, and very usable drive channel.

One big advantage of these vs. the Hot Rod series is that they have a much more gradual taper on the volume controls, so it's easy to dial in nice bedroom-level volumes, both clean and dirty. The Hot Rods tend go very quickly from "off" to "quite loud".

Like anything else, of course, the Traynors sound better when you an open them up, but still sound fine at quiet levels.

Definitely worth checking out, as others have suggested already.

[lanesmat]

Tag mentioned this amp earlier, but a Peavey Classic 50 has IMO a great clean channel with an EL 84 (34?) flavor. I have a 4x10 PV classic that sounds smooooth clean, with plenty of headroom. You should be able to pick one up for a little over 3 bills.

Scott

[stan p]

Originally posted by Marcello
Traynor ycv40, great amp, awesome cleans, cheap. Beleive me it blows away any fenders i've tried. Guitar player's pick award
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/fg=101/g=home/search/detail/base_pid/489074/

I am not sure how exactly it will "blow fender", but it is a really nice amp for cleans with very nice sounding reverb. I got plugged into one excedently at a gig and was positively surprised!

[Tag]

Originally posted by Tomo
I don't usually express my disagree feeling. But I have to disagree
very very strongly.

Depends on how you set your amp, what kind of guitar,
how you pick your guitar, how you hear things...
Everybody has own taste.

Here is my feeling comparing between Black Face &
Hot Rod.

I set my Black Face ... Pro Reverb, Volume 2.5-3
Treble 6-7
Bass 3-4
no Revereb (when I do check the Tone)
How do you set up? Pro Reverb and Hot rod.

It's really easy for me to use picking nunaces to
create good vocal like tone, funky grooves..

Super got middle.. so I set 5-6

I just don't get crisp top end on Hot Rod.. I have to
work hard to not hit hard... because I don't hear
that top end that I am looking for unless
Bright Switch on. Something muddy for me.
Just my opinion...

Also if you take speaker from your Hot Rod 12
... listen to this speaker in regular Black Face
or Silver face ... this speaker is very bright...
so I think Hot Rod is tuned to be fatter tone
with this speakers. I just can't say that Hot Rod sound
as good as the vintage Black faces.

It's time to make dounts.

Tomo


Hey Tomo!
I just went down and directly A\Bd my HR Deville (its a 4\10) and my Pro reverb. You are right as far as bass response goes. The HR Deville has more very bottom end, and slightly less upper treble than the DeVille. To even things out, I turned the bass on the Deville down from 12 O'clock to 10' O'clock. Then I turned the presecse and treble on the Deville up to 2 O'clock. At that setting, the amps are VERY similar sounding. The Deville to me always has a slightly more full sound. After comming off the Deville and on to the pro reverb with a Strat, the Pro can sound downright wimpy to me.

Since the Pros are so old, Im sure they vary as to how the treble and bass are set, but at 6-7 on the trble and 2-3 on the bass, mine sounds downright ice picky and thin. If I had a bass player who was LOUD, maybe I could get away with that, but generally speaking, that is just way to bright for my taste. I would bet our control knobs have a different taper.

As far as which amp sounds better, to me, it is a toss up. With a Strat, I think I slightly prefer the DeVille, and with my PRSs, the Pro Reverb. Very close call though. Nuance wise, for my style, again, they are even. I think I actually like my Siverface Vibrolux reverb more than both, and my Brunos are in another league all together. In any case, imo, all of these amps have world class tones,and you cant go wrong with any of them.

Im going to go make some coffee if you are making donuts. :)

[Jonathan]

BTW......Here (http://studentweb.eku.edu/justin_holton/jvmods.html#bass) is a link to site dedicated to the HRD with a bunch of info under the "Modifications" section. Some dealing with the bass, getting more gradual volume increase, and brightness......anybody tried any of these modifications?

[Tag]

Originally posted by Earth Machine
BTW......Here (http://studentweb.eku.edu/justin_holton/jvmods.html#bass) is a link to site dedicated to the HRD with a bunch of info under the "Modifications" section. Some dealing with the bass, getting more gradual volume increase, and brightness......anybody tried any of these modifications?


Cool article! I have the 4\10 Deville, which must not be as bass heavy as the 1\12. I like the tones just the way they are on mine.

[pureoldsound]

I've own 2 Devilles (4-10s) and 1 HR deluxe, and I never noticed the extra low end....I guess I never paid too much attention...I agree with Tag though I've played a few great amps, Bogner Shiva, Rivera Suprema, Hot Cat, Voodoo amps.....Except for the Voodoo amps Baka which is a very clean amp with lots of headroom...The HR is one of the better cleans I've played.....The clean channel is just good...I am even considering buying a 4th one (BTW I sold the others)....The best clean I've played has to be Voodoo's V-Reck that thing is just amazing, it has a 3-D type of sound it was great....Besides that the HR is something to really consider.....

[Tomo]

Originally posted by Tag
Hey Tomo!
I just went down and directly A\Bd my HR Deville (its a 4\10) and my Pro reverb. You are right as far as bass response goes. The HR Deville has more very bottom end, and slightly less upper treble than the DeVille. To even things out, I turned the bass on the Deville down from 12 O'clock to 10' O'clock. Then I turned the presecse and treble on the Deville up to 2 O'clock. At that setting, the amps are VERY similar sounding. The Deville to me always has a slightly more full sound. After comming off the Deville and on to the pro reverb with a Strat, the Pro can sound downright wimpy to me.

Since the Pros are so old, Im sure they vary as to how the treble and bass are set, but at 6-7 on the trble and 2-3 on the bass, mine sounds downright ice picky and thin. If I had a bass player who was LOUD, maybe I could get away with that, but generally speaking, that is just way to bright for my taste. I would bet our control knobs have a different taper.

As far as which amp sounds better, to me, it is a toss up. With a Strat, I think I slightly prefer the DeVille, and with my PRSs, the Pro Reverb. Very close call though. Nuance wise, for my style, again, they are even. I think I actually like my Siverface Vibrolux reverb more than both, and my Brunos are in another league all together. In any case, imo, all of these amps have world class tones,and you cant go wrong with any of them.

Im going to go make some coffee if you are making donuts. :)


Hi Tag,

Thank you for your time and running A/Bs...

I think this is just your taste and my taste ..
different. I completely understand it.
You like much warmer tone than I prefer..
That's cool too.

My Pro Reverb is stock, but it already recap, change tubes
and Eminence Speakers in it. So if you compare with your
Pro Reverb, there already we have 2 different Pros.
I didn't mean you should set like mine.. I wanted to know
your setting? Treble 5, Bass 5 or 7?

I think you like beefer tone. Hot Rod series got more low
frequency... sort of bigger tone. For me that muddy, especially
top end.. no so much spanky tone?

At Berklee , I set my Hot Rod.. Treble 10 or all the way up
middle 6, Bass 0, Presence 5... I still don't hear nice top end
like my Fuchs or my Black face Fenders. Even my Funk/ Blues
Class, I make my students set their amp same way and we
work to control our picking nuances (another volume control)

When I tour in Japan, actually I use Fender Hot Rod DeVille..
I wish I can use my regular set up ...my Fuchs 50 with Bob Burt
V-front (Eminence the Wizard & the Tonespotter) or my Fender
Pro Reverb. I have to adjust a bit... I still can handle to get my tone
... Next time I will bring my Fuchs 50.

Interesting... you prefer certain amp for different guitars..
I am very easy... I set my amp exact same way...from my SRV Start
...67' ES335...to Sakashta's Version R. I enjoy tone of guitars.

Tag, definitely it's really fun to own many amps and play!

Hope to see you soon!

PS, I made enough dounts for today.
How about you?


Tomo

[pureoldsound]

Tomo, do you think that the clean tone is bassy or the OD. Because the OD on the HR is just Bad and yes it is muddy....but the clean I thought it had good top end not as dark sounding.....

[Tomo]

Originally posted by pureoldsound
Tomo, do you think that the clean tone is bassy or the OD. Because the OD on the HR is just Bad and yes it is muddy....but the clean I thought it had good top end not as dark sounding.....


I am talking only clean tone.
Yes, it is has nice top end, if you just listen hot rod..
but if you have a good Black Face Fender or others to
compare... it's not dark... it's just not alive enough?

Probably if you roll off bass, you won't feel the clean tone as
bassy. But something is just missing. I don't want you
misunderstand me. I am not saying that the Hot Rod is
not so good. I just miss some lively top end.

Tomo

[daddyo]

Traynor YVC 20