Lady GaGa as a frontperson is on par with Freddy Mercury

[Colors]

I am looking forward to her new album coming out some time this year. :love:

[esoteric pete]

she is pretty intense, ill give her that.

[chucke99]

Time will tell, I suppose.

[jaycee]

I'm not a fan boi but i appreciate some of her stuff. I think she's an excellent performer too.

[Neer]

Pity you.

[AudioWonderland]

I am looking forward to her new album coming out some time this year. :love:


For the grievous and heinous crime of comparing that 2 bit hack to a truly talented musician I sentence you to the following:

Guitar player card - REVOKED
Musician Card - REVOKED
Music FAN Card - REVOKED
Man Card - REVOKED

[pickaguitar]

For the grievous and heinous crime of comparing that 2 bit hack to a truly talented musician I sentence you to the following:

Guitar player card - REVOKED
Musician Card - REVOKED
Music FAN Card - REVOKED
Man Card - REVOKED
Actually she's quite a musician...check out her youtubes before she made it big

[RocksOff]

While she might be 'quite the musician', she's no Freddie.

[A-Bone]

Pity you.

What's to pity? RexRawk digs Lady Gaga, and is looking forward to her next release.

People like different things, and personal tastes are hardly worthy of pity or scorn. Taste is made of a thousand distastes, variety, spice, etc.

Besides, it is a great thing to have something to look forward to.

[A-Bone]

Gaga is definitely quite the performer (concerned with all aspects of music, performance, style, presentation), and the "Gaga" in her name is a nod to Freddie Mercury, so she is in some respects a student of his.

Definitely seems a bit early to place her up there amongst the all time great front people of music, but maybe in time.

[Neer]

What's to pity? RexRawk digs Lady Gaga, and is looking forward to her next release.

People like different things, and personal tastes are hardly worthy of pity or scorn. Taste is made of a thousand distastes, variety, spice, etc.

Besides, it is a great thing to have something to look forward to.

That's not the point. Why use Freddie Mercury's name? It was just to be inflammatory.

['70 RS]

Besides, it is a great thing to have something to look forward to.

Cream reissues
Hendrix reissues
Robben Ford anthologies
Black Crowes outtakes
Pink Floyd alternate mixes
Zeppelin bootlegs


Come on man...get with the program.

['70 RS]

That's not the point. Why use Freddie Mercury's name? It was just to be inflammatory.

Well, she's no Kanye.......

[A-Bone]

Cream reissues
Hendrix reissues
Robben Ford anthologies
Black Crowes outtakes
Pink Floyd alternate mixes
Zeppelin bootlegs


Come on man...get with the program.

Man, it is great to be alive with all this awesome stuff to look forward to! Thanks for bringing me back.

[A-Bone]

That's not the point. Why use Freddie Mercury's name? It was just to be inflammatory.

Undoubtedly, or at least to get people posting in a thread they would otherwise skip...

[stevieboy]

She's okay with me but no Freddie Mercury. But then, who is?

Lady GaGa relies on a huge stage production, costumes, dancers etc etc. And, again, that's fine, not a diss. Freddie Mercury could transfix a stadium full of people just by being Freddie Mercury.

[j.s.tonehound]

I agree with the OP. She needs to start a band with Tal, Ori and Animal from the Muppets.

[rdnzl]

For the grievous and heinous crime of comparing that 2 bit hack to a truly talented musician I sentence you to the following:

Guitar player card - REVOKED
Musician Card - REVOKED
Music FAN Card - REVOKED
Man Card - REVOKED

If you really think she is a two bit hack, that means you never seen her live, or know anything about her.

I don't go out of my way to listen to her stuff, but she is quite talented.

[A-Bone]

I agree with the OP. She needs to start a band with Tal, Ori and Animal from the Muppets.

Why Animal?

[Neer]

Gaga is definitely quite the performer (concerned with all aspects of music, performance, style, presentation), and the "Gaga" in her name is a nod to Freddie Mercury, so she is in some respects a student of his.

Definitely seems a bit early to place her up there amongst the all time great front people of music, but maybe in time.

You don't appoint yourself to be Freddie Mercury's protege. After all, it only took him about 2 decades to hone his craft.

Whatever, I have no dog in this hunt and I couldn't care less about anyone else's taste in music, but I hate the cheap comparisons and the obvious troll, which i fell for.

[rob2001]

Adam Lambert blows them both away.























Hows that for a troll???:D:D:D:D

[A-Bone]

You don't appoint yourself to be Freddie Mercury's protege. After all, it only took him about 2 decades to hone his craft.


I wasn't suggesting that she appointed herself a protege. More that she took part of her stage name from the Queen song "Radio GaGa" and that she has professed admiration and respect for Mr. Mercury and co. She is a student in the sense that she has learned from him and them.

I am not a Gaga fan, personally, nor am I much of a Queen fan. But I can appreciate Freddie as a frontman, composer, singer, etc., and also Gaga along those same lines -- albeit to my thinking not yet at the same level as Mercury.

[rdnzl]

It interesting how quick people are to call someone a troll on this forum. Anything slightly controversial is branded a troll post. Does a person need to apply to be on the Troll Police Force, or can anyone join up?

[Neer]

It interesting how quick people are to call someone a troll on this forum. Anything slightly controversial is branded a troll post. Does a person need to apply to be on the Troll Police Force, or can anyone join up?

Well, I guess you missed a few of the earlier threads.

[stevieboy]

It interesting how quick people are to call someone a troll on this forum. Anything slightly controversial is branded a troll post. Does a person need to apply to be on the Troll Police Force, or can anyone join up?

The guy has a history of starting chip on the shoulder threads that insist on comparing someone new with an older iconic performer or album, usually with very little in common between the two. There's a definite pattern, and I think in this case the troll card is properly played.

IMO, if you think Lady GaGa or Kanye or anyone else is that good, why do you need to reach for a comparison to talk about them? They can't stand on their own?

[rdnzl]

Just an observation. It's not just this topic, I see it all over. People assume that someone has read every thread on the forum, and if they mention something thats been discussed before, here comes the Police. Some of us don't read every post. The word TROLL seems to be quite overused.

Just thinking out loud.....

[Blanket Jackson]

Hey Rex, good to see you posting again.

IBTL

[shredtrash]

She's pretty fantastic IMO.

I'll leave the comparisons to others.

[Marble]

he/she might be quite the musician but i'll say what they both have on par is that they are freakin weirdos

[rdnzl]

A lot of creative people are "weirdos".

[Blanket Jackson]

Mercury = trailblazer, icon
Gaga = newest flavor
Antony Hegarty (http://ilike.myspacecdn.com/play#Antony+%26+The+Johnsons:Hope+There%27s+Someon e:36807:m3511525) = crazy talented

I'll take Antony over either of the others.

[3leggeddog]

She's talented. But not in any genre that I enjoy.

[lhallam]

More like Elton John than Freddie, IMO.

[Dr Git]

Like myself, she's a New Yawk - her......and italian.......

[rdnzl]

More like Elton John than Freddie, IMO.

I agree.

When she just sits down and plays piano, by herself, is when I like her. The rest is way too many synths and dancing clones on stage. She's got a set of pipes.

[Jetrow]

I like her attack on fashion and the visual side of music. Her songs are alright I guess, though not really what I choose to listen to often. I have heard some and I've seen most of the videos I think.

I can understand how there is a comparison between the two. Both are big on showmanship, though Gaga is just finding her own abilities.

Hell if you can find some musician or artist that you enjoy listening to, more power to you. I happened to see a Pink Video the other day that I quite enjoyed. Raise your glass I think it was. Doesn't take anything away from the David Gilmour solos or the joy I get from listening to Suppers Ready by Genesis. Hey look at that, Peter Gabriel and Lady Gaga both like strange costumes on stage. So there you go.

[Blanket Jackson]

Like myself, she's a New Yawk - her......and italian.......

... and ... and ....
:rotflmao

[rdnzl]

"Supper's Ready". Love that one. REAL Genesis.

I think a good "frontman" can get an audience to eat out of their hand at shows, and both Freddie and Gaga meet that criteria. Many try and fail, and look stupid trying. Good ones have the personality to pull it off.

It will be interesting to see how her next "album" does. I'm sure off the fans will buy it the day it comes out. But will it get her any new fans? Will it break any new ground, or just be new packaging of the same material?

[Tonekat]

Her style works well writ large, as in large stage show and production, it's a treat for eyes and ears.

She has said that she always wanted to fuse Art, Fashion, Bowie and Queen, so the Freddie Mercury remark of the OP is spot on.

[bluesking55]

def no freddie never will be

[AudioWonderland]

If you really think she is a two bit hack, that means you never seen her live, or know anything about her.

I don't go out of my way to listen to her stuff, but she is quite talented.

She's a meat wearing circus side show.

[pickaguitar]

She's a meat wearing circus side show.
Here ya go...

NM51qOpwcIM

[sahhas]

i heard one of her songs this am.
it was ok.
i can see why she's such a pop rage. and certainly she's probably more of a performance artist-going for shock, hence why she's talked about, written about at the present time (obviously using media exploitation that madonna used throughout the 80s-90s).
she's good.
let's give her 20 yrs to see if she's actually going to be on par w/ freddy mercury or what queen could accomplish.

the thing i think is amazing is to hear is the amt of songs that queen has that are really part of the pop landscape of the last 30 yrs +. and of course they had the benefit of 4 people contributing to the group, i guess we'll see about gaga (or as a friend of mine refers to her as "lady gu-gu")....maybe she can though...you never know...

[rdnzl]

She's a meat wearing circus side show.


Alrighty then. Post some artists that you like, and I'll bet that there will be some negative comments on them. Not everybody likes every artist.

Variety is the spice of life.

[j.s.tonehound]

Why Animal?

I seem to recall a certain outfit made out of kermit's bonce and just liked the idea of a madman drummer with that particular group. Any other suggestions are welcome, I'm not too au fait with flamboyant female drummers.

[A-Bone]

I seem to recall a certain outfit made out of kermit's bonce and just liked the idea of a madman drummer with that particular group. Any other suggestions are welcome, I'm not too au fait with flamboyant female drummers.

She actually took Kermit as her date to some award show this year, so I wondered if it was some sort of Muppet connection.

Wasn't there a thread not too long ago about a young woman drummer playing a Tool song or something?

Is Tal flamboyant?

[The Last Rebel]

Lady Gaga is pretty good, but she's no Freddie Mercury. Freddie Mercury was, IMO of course, one of the best frontmen ever. Lady Gaga needs to get a couple more decades under her belt.

[billfoma]

This thread - :facepalm

Anyone beside me think it's an odd coincidence that nobody has ever seen Lady Gaga and Marilyn Manson in the same place at the same time? Hmm...

[rdnzl]

Oh yeah. They are the same person.

I'd use a face palm, but some people are wearing them out.

[A-Bone]

This thread - :facepalm

Anyone beside me think it's an odd coincidence that nobody has ever seen Lady Gaga and Marilyn Manson in the same place at the same time? Hmm...

Yeah. The resemblance is uncanny :sarcasm

Seriously :facepalm:facepalm:facepalm

[MSLBend]

She strikes me more as a person with the marketing smarts of a Madonna along with the pop culture idiosynchrasy niche of a Bowie when he was in his prime.

[TubeStack]

I've never seen a single video, concert or performance of hers, but I listen to her album all the time. It's fantastic, well written and arranged pop music.

[gainiac]

Yeah. The resemblance is uncanny :sarcasm

Seriously :facepalm:facepalm:facepalm


Well duh..She's a shape-shifting illuminati lizard!!!!!!


:crazyguy

[rob2001]

She strikes me more as a person with the marketing smarts


Ummmm.....you mean her team of marketing experts??? She's a product.

[A-Bone]

Well duh..She's a shape-shifting illuminati lizard!!!!!!


:crazyguy

I think that was been well established.

[rdnzl]

Ummmm.....you mean her team of marketing experts??? She's a product.

Thats so much bullshit. SHE runs the show. Do a little research before making comments like that. The closest comparison I can think of would be Madonna. Nothing happens to Gaga or her music that SHE doesn't have a hand in, and approves.

[Blanket Jackson]

Which doesn't belong and why?
(a) Madonna
(b) Freddie Mercury
(c) Lady Gaga

If enough play along, I will post the answer later.

[Neer]

Which doesn't belong and why?
(a) Madonna
(b) Freddie Mercury
(c) Lady Gaga

If enough play along, I will post the answer later.

Freddie Mercury, because a) he is dead, b) he was a he, c) he was really great.

[rdnzl]

Confusing "pop" with "rock" usually doesn't work so well.

Queen was rock.

[Colors]

Lady GaGa is already on another level than Madonna. Katy Perry is the contemporary equivalent of Madonna. GaGa is more along the line of Freddy Mercury and Elton John. Don't get hung up the gender.

[A-Bone]

Lady GaGa is already on another level than Madonna. Katy Perry is the contemporary equivalent of Madonna. GaGa is more along the line of Freddy Mercury and Elton John. Don't get hung up the gender.

Already on another level than Madonna how, exactly?

[Blanket Jackson]

Lady GaGa is already on another level than Madonna. Katy Perry is the contemporary equivalent of Madonna. GaGa is more along the line of Freddy Mercury and Elton John. Don't get hung up the gender.
http://gifattack.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/laughing-puppets.gif

OK, I'll give the answer for Rexie ...

The answer is (a) Madonna, because unlike the other two Madonna doesn't have a penis

[Wagster]

I highly doubt she will stand the test of time. Queen's music has endured the test of time. She's a good entertainer and I give her props for that. She's nowhere near the singer that Freddy was. Her whole trip is based off of shock and image.

[vrdyer]

Lady Googoo. Oh, Freddie did sing that. She has Freddie's range. News to me. I learn every day. She and this, yours, and my post seem like a sensational making post. Guess time will tell for sure.

[rob2001]

Thats so much bullshit. SHE runs the show. Do a little research before making comments like that. The closest comparison I can think of would be Madonna. Nothing happens to Gaga or her music that SHE doesn't have a hand in, and approves.


She did all this with no label help??, No managers? No personal butcher??

[rdnzl]

She did all this with no label help??, No managers? No personal butcher??

You insinuate that she is only a product of big record companies, when in FACT, she MARKETED herself TO THEM for marketing. Nobody gets anywhere without a record company. That's a huge difference. She's not like manufactured boy bands, or Britney Spear, whom she was HIRED to write songs for.. She's paid her dues playing in small clubs and dives, working up to where she is now. I still suggest you do a little research before running your yap.

[rob2001]

You insinuate that she is only a product of big record companies, when in FACT, she MARKETED herself TO THEM for marketing. Nobody gets anywhere without a record company. That's a huge difference. She's not like manufactured boy bands, or Britney Spears. She's paid her dues playing in small clubs and dives, working up to where she is now. I still suggest you do a little research before running your yap.


OK, I'll leave gaga alone.

[Jon Silberman]

Most (though not all) aging guitarists don't get her. That's just the way it is.

[rdnzl]

But.... I don't go out of my way to listen to her. But I think she's a special talent in todays music world, in her niche of pop songs.

[rob2001]

I am an aging guitarist and I think I get her....just doesn't move me much. I can appreciate what she does, I just can't get past today's pop culture BS that she is a poster child for. That would be my opinion.

[rdnzl]

I am an aging guitarist and I think I get her....just doesn't move me much. I can appreciate what she does, I just can't get past today's pop culture BS that she is a poster child for. That would be my opinion.

Part of it is the politics. She pushes her agendas, which I will not go into here. But she garners a pretty powerful following with the combination of music and politics. I've never cared about any artists political views. Thats not what I listen to them for. In fact, I disagree with most musicians' political stands because they are opposite of mine. Same with movie stars. But I won't overlook good music or performances because of it.

[Roadeye]

I am looking forward to her new album coming out some time this year. :love:

Gaga vs. Mercury?

Who comes up with this shite?

[Jon Silberman]

I am an aging guitarist and I think I get her....just doesn't move me much. I can appreciate what she does, I just can't get past today's pop culture BS that she is a poster child for. That would be my opinion.
I'm citing you for plagiarism as you sound precisely like my father in 1969 dismissing the pop culture I dug.

[rdnzl]

Gaga vs. Mercury?

Who comes up with this shite?

Its no worse than Beatles vs. Stones, Page vs, Clapton, CS vs Vintage, Fender vs. Gibson, etc.....

[Colors]

I am an aging guitarist and I think I get her....just doesn't move me much. I can appreciate what she does, I just can't get past today's pop culture BS that she is a poster child for. That would be my opinion.

She is not part of any counter-culture so that was the river and this is the sea. Don't blame her for the culture YOUR generation produced. :aok

[hawkeye17]

Somewhere Freddie is laughing......

[rdnzl]

Somewhere Freddie is laughing......

No he's not. He's out picking up boys.

[Twangmaster]

c'mon Freddie? I want some of what the op is smokin'

http://i356.photobucket.com/albums/oo3/dmcmike/troll.jpg

[suckamc]

I'm citing you for plagiarism as you sound precisely like my father in 1969 dismissing the pop culture I dug.

POW. Right on. No one sees it coming, but sooner or later they, in the name of proclaiming (e.g.) The Who as so much better than all younger bands, fall under the condemnation of The Who's albums. Most people become their parents with regard to younger music.

[rdnzl]

Pretty cool. It took six pages before the self appointed Troll Police appeared.

[rdnzl]

pow. Right on. No one sees it coming, but sooner or later they, in the name of proclaiming (e.g.) the who as so much better than all younger bands, fall under the condemnation of the who's albums. Most people become their parents with regard to younger music.


Get a haircut!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

;)

[Blanket Jackson]

.... and so begins the downward spiral into name calling

IBTL

[Teleplayer]

I have no horse in this race. I have never heard a Lady GaGa song and wouldn't know her if I ran her over with my car.

I just wanted to post something before the thread is locked.

:D

[rdnzl]

I have no horse in this race. I have never heard a Lady GaGa song and wouldn't know her if I ran her over with my car.

I just wanted to post something before the thread is locked.

:D

Good call. It's pretty much played out.

[Colors]

-R_OHpMbQVM

[Blanket Jackson]

But seriously, is anyone else just disgusted over Cliff Lee going back to the Phillies? I mean, enough is enough, right?

[jzucker]

ick. Representative of all that's wrong with music IMO

[rdnzl]

ick. Representative of all that's wrong with music IMO

NO. Thats rap. Gaga is well written POP music. You just don't like the genre.

[jzucker]

NO. Thats rap. Gaga is well written POP music. You just don't like the genre.

Oh, you know what genre's I like? I happen to like pop, techno, dance music. I love when folks make judgements like you just did. Classic TGP strawman argument.

[rdnzl]

Its ALL classic, bro. we don't all like the same things. What exactly IS wrong with music, if you don't mind my asking? Please be specific. I've got all night.

[jzucker]

Its ALL classic, bro. we don't all like the same things. What exactly IS wrong with music, if you don't mind my asking? Please be specific. I've got all night.

Very derivative of madonna without adding anything significantly new. Also sings out of tune. I liked her singer/songwriter thing better. It's an obvious case of a PR guy putting a career together.

Here's a book about her and jessica and brittany.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Island-Carl-Hiaasen/dp/0307272583/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1292649714&sr=8-1

[rdnzl]

OMG. Carl Hiassen? Hilarious. This is actually pretty funny to me. I don't particularly care for her, but I respect the talent. Everyone is derivative of someone or something. I'd guess that anyone you name could be compared to someone else, people want to dig back a ways. The Stones ripped off old blue masters. So did Led Zeppelin. Coldplay is a U2 ripoff. And so forth.

Read her Wikipedia page and do some research. She paid her dues. She's a songwriter. Most of the other girls don't write, they have people for that. They just perform. That's why I never liked Elvis. He was just a singer. Nothing more.

[Colors]

If singing or playing out of tune is a disqualifier you will be working off a short list.

Could Madonna perform unaccompanied and own an audience like in that GaGa clip? I am not that familiar with Madonna as a performer other than I know she put on a hell of a show. I'm not knocking spectacle but how dependent was Madonna on 'props'? And I hate to use the word props as it can be perceived negatively or as some kind of crutch. I think of props as tools so please don't think I'm being critical of the fashion, dancers, stage production, etc.

[j.s.tonehound]

She actually took Kermit as her date to some award show this year, so I wondered if it was some sort of Muppet connection.

Wasn't there a thread not too long ago about a young woman drummer playing a Tool song or something?

Is Tal flamboyant?

I guess flamboyant isn't the right word, but I think she plays pretty damn well!

[MrTAteMyBalls]

the main problem i have with her is she is pushing the idea that to be successful and huge you have to be a sensation of some type. It's not enough to just have great songs anymore....you have to have a spectacle and some sort of controversy and a sensationalized image. Now when the next big pop star is trying to make it they have to top gaga and so forth. It's not her fault really she's just riding the wave. It's a symptom of a sick society, not the cause. Going to see a band at a club, is pretty much the same experience it has always been for 40 years....however the pop spectacle has people so jaded that watching a band play is boring for most people. And it really is compared to crazy costumes and 100 dancers. Gaga is basically musical theater accompanied by full lenght albums. I know pop and rock are 2 different things, but really it's all music and falls under the same umbrella.
Anyways....i've seen her old videos and i think she's marginally talented. without all the fluff she looks and sounds pretty normal. nothing special. not even in the same class with elton or freddie, which is just fine. Not everyone is special.

[rob2001]

I'm citing you for plagiarism as you sound precisely like my father in 1969 dismissing the pop culture I dug.

So be it. I do like a few Katey Perry and Rhianna songs though.

[lakehaus]

Not just this thread, but several others (John Mayer comes to mind) is fraught with denial of talent or importance of successful ones.

That's what I get out of these kinda threads. Someone genuinely admires someone else's talent, and like wolves we hone in and devour. Granted sometimes it's a lovefest. Forumites are subject to the community at large. The OP would probably get love from a Gaga forum, whose demographic is probably a bit more skewed.

From Urban Dictionary:

1. hater

A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.

Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock somelse down a notch.

Susan: You know, Kevin from accounting is doing very well. He just bought a house in a very nice part of town.

Jane (hater): If he is doing so well why does he drive that '89 Taurus?


2. hater

Overused word that people like to use just because someone else expresses a dislike for a certain individual.

PERSON 1: I don't like Beyonce's new song.

PERSON 2: You're a hater!!!

3. Hater

A person who feels anger and/or jealousy for someone who has succeeded in something they have worked hard for.

A being who speaks badly,and/or takes negative actions in attempt to create problems for a successful person.

When you make it out the hood, a friend can turn into a hater.

"T-Bo" dropped a dime on "Big Mike" just because Big Mike was makin some change! T-Bo a hater!

4. hater

A label applied to people who are more negative than positive when discussing another person. It most commonly refers to individuals whose negativity is so extreme that it is all-consuming. However, there are various levels and forms of being a hater, ranging from completely dismissing any positive traits or actions, to merely painting a less than flattering picture by using words with negative connotations. Hating is often attributed to jealousy, but just as often, it seems to stem from some other source.

Person A: Ben Gordon is one of the best clutch scorers in the league!
Person B: Gordon is an impressive scorer, but he's still a role player.

[dunara]

I think Gaga's been very clever. She's worked her way on to the 'A' list, whether you love or hate what she does. I suspect that now she's reached 'escape velocity', she'll gradually tone down the 'act' and 'reinvent' herself as a serious singer-songwriter.
She's always been that - in a very, very congested singer-songwriter market - but she's found a way of making the world stand up and pay attention. Watch her return to her first love. Playing the piano an writing from the heart.

She's fabulous, iconic, way better than Madonna. She's got a bit to go to catch Mercury though, and I think she'd be the first to admit that.

[trickness]

For the grievous and heinous crime of comparing that 2 bit hack to a truly talented musician I sentence you to the following:

Guitar player card - REVOKED
Musician Card - REVOKED
Music FAN Card - REVOKED
Man Card - REVOKED

LOFL best reply EVAR

[jzucker]

OMG. Carl Hiassen? Hilarious. This is actually pretty funny to me. I don't particularly care for her, but I respect the talent. Everyone is derivative of someone or something. I'd guess that anyone you name could be compared to someone else, people want to dig back a ways. The Stones ripped off old blue masters. So did Led Zeppelin. Coldplay is a U2 ripoff. And so forth.

Read her Wikipedia page and do some research. She paid her dues. She's a songwriter. Most of the other girls don't write, they have people for that. They just perform. That's why I never liked Elvis. He was just a singer. Nothing more.

I don't need to . I have a couple of her CDs and the music speaks for itself. There are a few danceable tunes but the lyrics are laughable and there are some real klunkers. Oh-La-La...

Sorry but you can't use the TGP strawman arguments on me for this stuff. I love techno music and pop female vocalists AS WELL AS coltrane, miles, rosenwinkel, bonamass, srv, etc...

P.S.

Much rather listen to this: http://www.planetjes.com/

[Blanket Jackson]

So be it. I do like a few Katey Perry and Rhianna songs though.

Katey Perry sings?

[Blanket Jackson]

Not just this thread, but several others (John Mayer comes to mind) is fraught with denial of talent or importance of successful ones.

That's what I get out of these kinda threads. Someone genuinely admires someone else's talent, and like wolves we hone in and devour. Granted sometimes it's a lovefest. Forumites are subject to the community at large. The OP would probably get love from a Gaga forum, whose demographic is probably a bit more skewed.

From Urban Dictionary:

1. hater

A person that simply cannot be happy for another person's success. So rather than be happy they make a point of exposing a flaw in that person.

Hating, the result of being a hater, is not exactly jealousy. The hater doesnt really want to be the person he or she hates, rather the hater wants to knock somelse down a notch.

Susan: You know, Kevin from accounting is doing very well. He just bought a house in a very nice part of town.

Jane (hater): If he is doing so well why does he drive that '89 Taurus?


2. hater

Overused word that people like to use just because someone else expresses a dislike for a certain individual.

PERSON 1: I don't like Beyonce's new song.

PERSON 2: You're a hater!!!

3. Hater

A person who feels anger and/or jealousy for someone who has succeeded in something they have worked hard for.

A being who speaks badly,and/or takes negative actions in attempt to create problems for a successful person.

When you make it out the hood, a friend can turn into a hater.

"T-Bo" dropped a dime on "Big Mike" just because Big Mike was makin some change! T-Bo a hater!

4. hater

A label applied to people who are more negative than positive when discussing another person. It most commonly refers to individuals whose negativity is so extreme that it is all-consuming. However, there are various levels and forms of being a hater, ranging from completely dismissing any positive traits or actions, to merely painting a less than flattering picture by using words with negative connotations. Hating is often attributed to jealousy, but just as often, it seems to stem from some other source.

Person A: Ben Gordon is one of the best clutch scorers in the league!
Person B: Gordon is an impressive scorer, but he's still a role player.

Amazing ..... Urban Dictionary is now a valid source.
:rotflmao

[Frater B]

She is good, PERIOD!

However I prefer Freddie and yes he wrote songs too.

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[jzucker]

Haha, no she is bad, PERIOD.

[Frater B]

As a musician I would have thought you could hear that she is good and still not like it, oh well.

[lakehaus]

Amazing ..... Urban Dictionary is now a valid source.
:rotflmao

Nah, not really. They're opinions. Just like everything else in this thread.

[gainiac]

Somewhere Freddie is laughing......

Somewhere Freddie is thinking, "I wish I had shoes like that..."

(RIP Freddie!)

[rdnzl]

LOFL best reply EVAR

And for using the word EVAR, you get to sit at the kiddies table at Christmas dinner.

[magdream]

I dig da gaga.

[gainiac]

Man.........

This thread is so far off base.

One the one hand you have one of the greatest RnR frontmen to ever live... Freddie slams, he's ICONIC. One of a kind, yet even he reveres others.........Watch that live improv and he calls out then quotes Aretha.

Now on the other hand we got the latest seemingly indomitable dancehall diva. How long will it last? Who knows?

I say compare within the genres. With Freddie, not much to say; he's of the established pantheon of great rock frontmen and he could sing like nobody's business.

BUT it takes a lot more than great pipes to be a great frontman/person.

That takes charisma.......Now there is a point of comparison between the two.

Gaga owns her stage with as much ease and comfort as Freddie. So do a great many singers. I'd been in a band with a few unknowns who wrapped up the whole room like a pied piper. It's fun and gets the band paid; in more ways than one.

Gaga is leagues beyond her contemporaries; that much is obvious.

Her schtick is the spectacle. She's really good at it and pulls it off with precision. 21st century caberet wrapped in "Haute Couture" fashion. It's her vision, her tunes, etc..... yeah she works with a creative team but in the end she calls the shots because unlike many of her contemporaries she's been fairly self sufficient.

So as a charismatic entertainer who draws her crowd in I'd say she's easily on par with Freddie, Madonna, Hendrix, Bowie, Bono, Mick, etc...

The whole derivative argument...???? Yeah??? So ****ing what?? 99% of us play from the same 12 tone system. All of our beloved forms are stupidly derivative, because it works!!!! We (HUMANS) like it. So to say derivative as if it's a negative is an immature, uninformed argument.

We all love "groundbreakers" but if they we're as common as some here seem to think they ought to be, it wouldn't be special now would it?

[DGDGBD]

Not my cup of tea, but she seems to be very talented, driven and successful as a pop artist. Back to the original question...when Lady Gaga has at least ten years of international success as a pop star and performer then you might have an argument.

[Julia343]

Here ya go...

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^^^ This, while good, was never going to make her any money. The stuff she's doing now looks like they're having fun, and the money is coming in. Her videos are well choreographed. If I could stand crowds and had more money I might go see her perform because she puts on a hell of a show. The tunes are catchy and have some excellent hooks. So who cares? It's all good. Most song lyrics written in the past 30 years are pretty lame anyway.

I'd compare her more to Madonna for this decade, though. There's nothing really new or that controversial here.

I never saw Freddy Mercury perform so I can't comment.

Still no one has risen up to surpass Frank Sinatra. When I see a row of his recordings in a store catering to the younger generation, this tells me something. So I'll see your Freddy Mercury and raise you a Sinatra.

[phillygtr]

I love Lady Gaga and have nothing but esteem for her as a pop songwriter, musician, performer and personality. That being said NO ONE can touch what Feddie did as a frontman. His working of the crowd during Live Aid is to me hands down the most charismatic performance in popular music history.

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[Rena Rune]

Overrated IMO.

[pold]

Freddie Mercury was a great composer, not just a great singer. Lady Gaga is a below average composer, helped in almost every tune by a computer and drum machine, as a singer she is good but nothing special. This regarding music.

Regarding lyrics:who cares? Read some poetry or a novel.
Regarding dancing:who cares? I prefer Michael Jackson or Mikhail Baryshnikov
Ragarding the way they look? who cares? On the street you find much better.
Regarding sex appeal: who cares? Just watch a porn movie.

Lady Gaga is disposable music, is in the same league as Britney and Madonna, which means it has to do with light entertainment and media hype rather than music.
F. Mercury, for what he did and considering his creativity, is in the same league as Bach and Keith Jarrett, which means: musical genius.

[jzucker]

F. Mercury, for what he did and considering his creativity, is in the same league as Bach and Keith Jarrett, which means: musical genius.

Sorry but No.

[jzucker]

gaga - meat dress - haute couture - You gotta !@#$ be kidding?!?

[silencer eleven]

I don't need to . I have a couple of her CDs and the music speaks for itself. There are a few danceable tunes but the lyrics are laughable and there are some real klunkers. Oh-La-La...

Sorry but you can't use the TGP strawman arguments on me for this stuff. I love techno music and pop female vocalists AS WELL AS coltrane, miles, rosenwinkel, bonamass, srv, etc...

P.S.

Much rather listen to this: http://www.planetjes.com/

A couple of her cd's? You you know she's only put out one CD?

[jzucker]

A couple of her cd's? You you know she's only put out one CD?

http://www.jackzucker.com/images/gaga.jpg

[silencer eleven]

Freddie Mercury was a great composer, not just a great singer. Lady Gaga is a below average composer, helped in almost every tune by a computer and drum machine, as a singer she is good but nothing special. This regarding music.

Regarding lyrics:who cares? Read some poetry or a novel.
Regarding dancing:who cares? I prefer Michael Jackson or Mikhail Baryshnikov
Ragarding the way they look? who cares? On the street you find much better.
Regarding sex appeal: who cares? Just watch a porn movie.

Lady Gaga is disposable music, is in the same league as Britney and Madonna, which means it has to do with light entertainment and media hype rather than music.
F. Mercury, for what he did and considering his creativity, is in the same league as Bach and Keith Jarrett, which means: musical genius.

How does having a computer and drum machine help her out in composing? They are instruments to be used to create music. Computers don't create the idea. As far as is she a below average composer, can't really argue opinions, but I think she's a great composer and on a whole other level then Britney and Madonna in many ways both stylistically, musically, culturally etc.

[jzucker]

How does having a computer and drum machine help her out in composing? They are instruments to be used to create music. Computers don't create the idea. As far as is she a below average composer, can't really argue opinions, but I think she's a great composer and on a whole other level then Britney and Madonna in many ways both stylistically, musically, culturally etc.

Methinks hormones are influencing your "tastes". Out...;)

[silencer eleven]

http://www.jackzucker.com/images/gaga.jpg

Ya, she has put out the fame monster and a deluxe version. One real album, like I said.....

Jack, it looks like you have the same album twice.

[silencer eleven]

Methinks hormones are influencing your "tastes". Out...;)

Does that mean that you think I find her attractive?

[rdnzl]

This has degenerated into a very nice hater thread.

For the record, Queen had more than their share of lousy songs.

[Polynitro]

the best thing about queen was brian may.

[crzyfngers]

:rotflmao:rotflmao:rotflmao

[Rena Rune]

Her music isn't anything special though. I don't get it, it sounds like regular pop music to me with a bit more of an electro emphasis. It's better than average, yeah, but it's not "good". She wears some weird outfits which is nice but I never get the impression she's a true "freak" and she's admitted as much in interviews. I doubt she wears anything too mad for her regular clothes.

[pold]

How does having a computer and drum machine help her out in composing? They are instruments to be used to create music. Computers don't create the idea.

Computers can compose and play whatever you want, it's called "computer-made crap", where do you live?

As far as is she a below average composer, can't really argue opinions.
It's a fact, not an opinion.

[Rena Rune]

I take offense to the "computer made music" BS here. A lot of people who make music with computers are a hell of a lot more creative than the bl00z lawyers who make up a sizable amount of the guitar/rock gear market.

[pold]

I take offense to the "computer made music" BS here. A lot of people who make music with computers are a hell of a lot more creative than the bl00z lawyers who make up a sizable amount of the guitar/rock gear market.


Can you make any example?

[jzucker]

Her music isn't anything special though. I don't get it, it sounds like regular pop music to me with a bit more of an electro emphasis. It's better than average, yeah, but it's not "good". She wears some weird outfits which is nice but I never get the impression she's a true "freak" and she's admitted as much in interviews. I doubt she wears anything too mad for her regular clothes.

And get real. Everything about her from the backing tracks to the over-processed vocals to the meat dress are choreographed for her. I'm surprised how gullible some of you folks are to think any of this has *ANYTHING* to do with *HER* creativity.

She has a PR person and a stylist. There is very little original about her.

It kills me that you guys are so down on Mayer but go gaga over Gaga. So predictable though. :bonk
I think this thread really shows the power of hormones (and a little bit of marketing) ;)

[Rena Rune]

Can you make any example?

Uh, yes, check my soundcloud, nearly all of it is computer made save from some recorded guitar and synth noises. Same for many of the people I'm following.

I wasn't sure people actually believed that at first, but wow. I'd like to hear what excuses people come up with to call my music unoriginal and soulless. Some people are gullible enough to equate technology with shallowness. If that's true, go live in the trees and make music banging coconuts together.

[pold]

Uh, yes, check my soundcloud, nearly all of it is computer made save from some recorded guitar and synth noises. Same for many of the people I'm following.

I wasn't sure people actually believed that at first, but wow. I'd like to hear what excuses people come up with to call my music unoriginal and soulless. Some people are gullible enough to equate technology with shallowness. If that's true, go live in the trees and make music banging coconuts together.

During a gig what do you do apart from pressing the "start" button? I have nothing against you, but imagine a band playing your tunes with 10 powerful keyboards instead of a computer, do you think you would like it? And to which bl00z musician would you compare that?

[rdnzl]

A lot of you are way off base. Its not even about if her music is better than Queen's. Or how long she will last. Or whether she wears meat well or not. The OP was saying that her stage presence made her a good frontman.

How long can this insanity last?

[Colors]

pold is cool with samples, recordings, loops as long as the person programming and arranging it into "music" created the actual sounds that are being sampled. And down the rabbit hole we go!

[pold]

pold is cool with samples, recordings, loops as long as the person programming and arranging it into "music" created the actual sounds that are being sampled. And down the rabbit hole we go!

Well I better keep my mouth shut now...is it offensive if I say that the best musicians on the planet always prefer playing an instrument during a gig rather than using a computer?

[jzucker]

Well I better keep my mouth shut now...is it offensive if I say that the best musicians on the planet always prefer playing an instrument during a gig rather than using a computer?

I dunno...Matt Garrison uses a computer on his gigs as does Gary Willis and Frank Gambale...

[rdnzl]

Peter Gabriel uses them. He's kinda good...... :)

[pold]

I dunno...Matt Garrison uses a computer on his gigs as does Gary Willis and Frank Gambale...

But they never overuse the computer, secondly they are always playing an instrument during a gig.

[Colors]

You seem to keep qualifying your answer which is why I jumped us ahead in our regularly scheduled programming. But please continue.

[silencer eleven]

Computers can compose and play whatever you want, it's called "computer-made crap", where do you live?


It's a fact, not an opinion.

Its your opinion.

My point is computers dont WRITE music, just like guitars dont WRITE music. In the links below you can hear my band, we used computer technology to program some of the things on there because we can't afford to hire a symphony, or purchase a B3 organ, or a Rhodes, so we used computers and synths for certain things.

I'll just leave it that we agree to disagree.

[neville5000]

To the OP. Not quite.

[gainiac]

gaga - meat dress - haute couture - You gotta !@#$ be kidding?!?

Jack.......Don't let the dark side seduce you!!!!!!!!

[gainiac]

I dunno...Matt Garrison uses a computer on his gigs as does Gary Willis and Frank Gambale...

Johnny Mac as well.........I know of a rather GREAT weekly blues gig where the band leader has a Mac and uses one of them TC Vocalizers.....(Drops his voice 2 octaves and does some Barry White....)

[jzucker]

Johnny Mac as well.........I know of a rather GREAT weekly blues gig where the band leader has a Mac and uses one of them TC Vocalizers.....(Drops his voice 2 octaves and does some Barry White....)

It's only the TGP judge council ™ that deposes folks for using computers in music.

Back to the original topic, Gaga sucks. :rotflmao

[gainiac]

It's only the TGP judge council ™ that deposes folks for using computers in music.

Back to the original topic, Gaga sucks. :rotflmao

Bah Humbug!

It's pop.

Love your clarity though.

[jzucker]

Bah Humbug!

It's pop.

Love your clarity though.

I love pop / techno music and there's lot's better. Robyn, Jes, Cilmi, Goldfrapp, Kelli Ali, Lisa Shaw, Missy Higgens, Pink, Fergie, Pixie Lott, Azam Ali, and a ton of others.

gaga is PR crap.

[phillygtr]

Since we're way off topic...

As to the Katy Perry = Madonna, Gaga = Bowie, Elton, Freddie etc. comments:

This just shows me (old guy now at 36) how we have forgotten how great early Madonna was. Some of you are too young to remember the splash she made at the time with her persona and music (hint: WAY bigger than Katy). "Live to Tell", "True Blue", "Papa Don't Preach", "Like a Prayer", "La Isla Bonita" kicks "Teenage Dream", "I Kissed A Girl", and "California Girls" asses any day of the week. I grant you that Madonna has faded in relevance, but seriously there is no comparison with <fill in current hot chick hitmaker Gen Y wishes would be their big thing like the old folks had way back when>.

[rdnzl]

Lady GaGa as a frontperson is on par with Freddy Mercury

Wasn't that the topic?

:bonk

[phillygtr]

I love pop / techno music and there's lot's better. Robyn, Jes, Cilmi, Goldfrapp, Kelli Ali, Lisa Shaw, Missy Higgens, Pink, Fergie, Pixie Lott, Azam Ali, and a ton of others.

gaga is PR crap.

Gaga APPEARS to be PR crap, but she isn't. When I first saw her I had the same reaction as you -- i.e. some Type A chick trying to be provocative with a bunch gimmicks, acting weird just to create a buzz and be famous for fame's sake. A Phony. Then I really listened to her music. I dug it. As for all the "PR crap"? Pure humor. A joke. I think Gaga is actually trying to be funny. Not serious like Bowie (though plenty of humor in Ziggy S). Behind the image is a good songwriter. Listen to "bad romance", "telephone", or "paparazzi". this is good pop songcraft that I have to give props to.

BTW, I like the artists you've listed, except for Fergie. The BEPs has to be one of the worst groups I've ever seen. THAT is PR crap!

[pold]

Back to the topic.

Freddie Mercury = music
Lady Gaga = light entertainment and media hype

Two different things, I have nothing against light entertainment, but please don't mix up apples with oranges.

[jzucker]

Back to the topic.

Freddie Mercury = music
Lady Gaga = light entertainment and media hype

Two different things, I have nothing against light entertainment, but please don't mix up apples with oranges.

agreed. Also don't compare snacks from a can with a gourmet meal. Just because the can looks pretty don't mean !@#$

[pickaguitar]

there isn't a facepalm big enough for this entire thread...and btw Gaga is pretty talented

[jzucker]

btw Gaga is pretty talented

Agreed. Just not at music. :D

[pickaguitar]

Ha ha...too funny...or not really

[jzucker]

tell me more about her pr person and stylist. who are they and what exactly do they do for her?

and i thought john mayer had a pr person and stylist also. so i'm interested to hear about why i was mislead there.

Just watch half a day of style network or fashion police. Yes mayer has a PR person and a stylist but he also plays guitar and has done an immense amount of work to be able to play what he plays.

To paraphrase the "banned phrases from tgp thread", I hear it even if you can't. :D

[Doug's Tubes]

and btw Gaga is pretty talented

Her manager thinks so....
http://www.yellob.us/sites/default/files/Isabel%20Mastache_0.jpg

[big jilm]

I don't know if I put her at Freddie's level or not (I probably don't) but I think Lady Gaga is awesome.

[Polynitro]

Johnny Mac aka John McEnroe has a lefty Blackguard Tele.

[jzucker]

haha - just watched the gaga special. no talent but lots of style. Perfect star for today's "always on" world. I think it says something that so many including (apparently) a huge TGP contingent believe her to be something very special.

I have listened to her music quite a bit (very objectively) as I have no iron in the fire and I *DO* enjoy female techno performers but honestly, she's just not all that.

[jzucker]

http://www.focusonstyle.com/var/fos/storage/images/focusonstyle.com/blog/lady-gaga-undone-was-stephanie-germanotta-and-very-brunette/73554-1-eng-US/Lady-Gaga-undone-was-Stephanie-Germanotta-and-very-brunette_feature_article_horizontal.jpg

[Colors]

I don't understand what you are trying to say with that pic.

[rdnzl]

Everybody quit grinding your axes. They're so dull you can't cut wood with them any more.

[Clumsy Fingers]

Cream reissues
Hendrix reissues
Robben Ford anthologies
Black Crowes outtakes
Pink Floyd alternate mixes
Zeppelin bootlegs


Come on man...get with the program.

Yeah! All that timeless music that balding guys who wear jorts love!

[silencer eleven]

haha - just watched the gaga special. no talent but lots of style. Perfect star for today's "always on" world. I think it says something that so many including (apparently) a huge TGP contingent believe her to be something very special.

I have listened to her music quite a bit (very objectively) as I have no iron in the fire and I *DO* enjoy female techno performers but honestly, she's just not all that.

Some people have different opinions. Its the internet, we can't all agree.

[jzucker]

I don't understand what you are trying to say with that pic.

Obviously...That was before the stylist and PR guy. What you see now is image processing.

Amusing thread. Too bad some folks are taking this soooooooooooo seriously. ;)

[Colors]

You think Freddie dressed and looked like this all the time? I'm not certain but I don't think he was really a King. Was he a poser?

http://treesong.org/files/images/freddie-mercury.jpg

http://images.wolfgangsvault.com/freddie-mercury/fine-art-print/memorabilia/NHC771116-01-11A-FP.jpg

[spitshineguitars]

The only thing they have in common is that they both would **** anything that walks. Ask that question in 20 years and I think Mercury will still reign supreme.

[stevieboy]

I'm not certain but I don't think he was really a King.

He was the king of rock front men! Pretty lofty status to force GaGa to have to live up to, why not just let her be her?

[rob2001]

http://www.focusonstyle.com/var/fos/storage/images/focusonstyle.com/blog/lady-gaga-undone-was-stephanie-germanotta-and-very-brunette/73554-1-eng-US/Lady-Gaga-undone-was-Stephanie-Germanotta-and-very-brunette_feature_article_horizontal.jpg


Thats what I still see, just an average lounge pianist/singer. The difference is, she's willing to burn for her swag!

[rh]

I have listened to her music quite a bit (very objectively) as I have no iron in the fire and I *DO* enjoy female techno performers but honestly, she's just not all that.

Hi Jack,

It's nice to see you posting again. Hope everything is very well.

I have to ask, though: Are you bucking for the position formerly held by Tag ? :)

You know better than most that it's entirely possible to analyze music and quantify its harmonic and rhythmic complexity.

As tempting as it is, however, I just don't see how it's possible to decide that a successful pop performer is or isn't "all that" -- unless you're attempting to assess a quality metric to the complexity (or lack of it) in said pop performer's music. Otherwise, and by definition, the goal of those making popular music is for it to be popular. More popular == More "all that".

By the only metric we can apply to pop music, LG is definitely "all that" even if -- again, by definition -- it's destined to have very little longevity.

Believe me, I'm no fan at all of current trends in American pop culture, education, etc etc etc. But I just don't see the basis for an objective qualitative judgment of a pop star.

Good for anyone who can carve out a successful career in music. I wish I'd been able to do it (even if life has turned out just fine for my not being able to).

[T.Wesley]

Putting on a fancy costume and strutting around the stage doesn't put a performer on par with Freddie Mercury.

--chiba

[rh]

Putting on a fancy costume and strutting around the stage doesn't put a performer on par with Freddie Mercury.

--chiba

Good one!

http://treesong.org/files/images/freddie-mercury.jpg

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[Fezziwig]

Originally Posted by pold http://img.thegearpage.net/board/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?p=9663184#post9663184)
F. Mercury, for what he did and considering his creativity, is in the same league as Bach and Keith Jarrett, which means: musical genius.

Sorry but No.

I don't know, I'd consider Mercury a musical genius, when you consider his live performance ability in addition to his pop/rock songwriting. Neither Jarrett nor Bach could compete with Mercury's stage presence, that's for sure. ;)

That being said, Mercury relied less and less on gimmicks as he got older. The 80's Queen live performances, such as Liveaid, Wembley, Montreal, etc., showed them at their best, and Mercury's voice was certainly at its finest.

[jzucker]

I have to ask, though: Are you bucking for the position formerly held by Tag ? :)

No, just being entertained. Happy holidays my friend.

[jzucker]

Neither Jarrett nor Bach could compete with Mercury's stage presence, that's for sure. ;)

Jarrett has better legs though. ;)

[Rena Rune]

During a gig what do you do apart from pressing the "start" button? I have nothing against you, but imagine a band playing your tunes with 10 powerful keyboards instead of a computer, do you think you would like it? And to which bl00z musician would you compare that?

My first Gig was mostly just live mixing, mostly starting and stopping samples in time, and manipulating them twiddling knobs etc. I also used my DS and the Kaossillator on it. In future I'll use more guitars and synths to recreate them.

But, the music was still created and composed on a computer, using software, not playing instruments.

[pold]

In future I'll use more guitars and synths to recreate them.

Well done, that's a good thing.

[Rena Rune]

Well done, that's a good thing.

I don't think live mixing is to be sneezed at. I used a fairly sneaky way of doing it for my first gig because I wasn't quite ready to do it properly. Proper live mixing can be quite difficult, you have to keep track of a lot of loops and samples, twiddle knobs etc. and you have to have good timing. It's surprisingly easy to **** up.

When playing guitar it's actually easier in some ways because there's more of a "flow".