Diezel Herbert Demo

[Wizard of Ozz]

Here is a demo of the Diezel Herbert I ran across on another forum. It's a video demo so it not only gives you an idea of the tones that Herbie is capable of, it also gives you a good idea of the functionality of the amp as well.

This is the link to download the demo and it starts at 7:00:

www.marcseal.com/marcumentary/episode2.wmv


I think this demo really gives a good general idea of the Herbert. After watching it, it's very apparent to me why I like mine so much.

:dude :dude :dude

[cancelthesound]

I saw this over on HC and it's killing me. I'm trying to unload my VHT UL to get one now, my add is over in the amp emporium :D

[Shane Regal]

I just bought a Herbert 2nd hand. I find that the distortion, especially on channel 2 sounds overly compressed.... almost unnaturally. It seems that it's getting more and more compressed over the past few weeks. Maybe I have a tube going bad? I have 2 el34s and 4 6l6s in the poweramp. Although I would think it might be a preamp tube issue.
Have any of you guys experienced this kind of compression?
I wish I could compare it to another Herbert just to make sure it's not just me.

[Rock Fella]

superlative :dude

[thegame]

Originally posted by Shane Regal
I just bought a Herbert 2nd hand. I find that the distortion, especially on channel 2 sounds overly compressed.... almost unnaturally. It seems that it's getting more and more compressed over the past few weeks. Maybe I have a tube going bad? I have 2 el34s and 4 6l6s in the poweramp. Although I would think it might be a preamp tube issue.
Have any of you guys experienced this kind of compression?
I wish I could compare it to another Herbert just to make sure it's not just me.

Yes I also found the Herbet unnaturally compressed, though I found ch.3 even more compressed than ch. 2. That was one of many reasons why I sold it.

Yes high gain amps naturally involves some compression by design, but some amps just FEEL more compressed than others, even if they have a similar amount of gain.

[Scott Peterson]

What I get a kick out of, beyond the tone, is simply how much fun the guy is having. That's cool. :D

[Argonaut4]

Originally posted by Scott Peterson
What I get a kick out of, beyond the tone, is simply how much fun the guy is having. That's cool. :D

I just purchased a Herbert and it's having the same effect on me. I'm having so much fun and genuine enjoyment playing it. I haven't had this much fun in years. The funny thing is, I haven't even scratched the surface yet.

[Wally1]

WOW! I've always heard great things about these amps and that demo was very impressive! Not to derail the thread but how much does the Herbert Head cost?

[fenderbender4]

It's a pretty penny at $4100

[ctoddrun]

That demo got me gassing...


...like I need another amp.



I see a VH4 on the Amp Emporium Thread. Is that basically a Herbert with a fourth channel?

I'd love to try one, and you'd think that with a city as big as Houston, there would be some for sale, but I dont think there are.

I'd have to buy on hype and demo clips alone (which scares the bejesus outta me for that sort of $$$).

[ray j]

Originally posted by ctoddrun
I see a VH4 on the Amp Emporium Thread. Is that basically a Herbert with a fourth channel?

Definitely Not.

[Wizard of Ozz]

Originally posted by Scott Peterson
What I get a kick out of, beyond the tone, is simply how much fun the guy is having. That's cool. :D

Yup... that's always an extra added bonus. Too many times people get wrapped up in gear, tone, mods, etc. and just simply forget to have fun. It is supposed to be enjoying after all.

;)

[Wizard of Ozz]

Originally posted by MARCO
I get conflicting stories on the $$....I got mine used for under $3000 but I heard they sell for around $3500-4000 new, I guess it depends wwhere you buy. The street value is between $3000-3300.....I obviously lucked out and got it for a steal !!

Diezel uses a fixed "MSRP" similar to Mesa or Bogner.

VH4 = $4250
Herbert = $4100

The above prices are what a new one from a dealer will run you. You won't find any bro pricing on these ;).

[Wizard of Ozz]

Originally posted by ctoddrun
That demo got me gassing...


...like I need another amp.



I see a VH4 on the Amp Emporium Thread. Is that basically a Herbert with a fourth channel?



Nope. 2 totally different amps. I personally like the Herbert more, but they are both great amps.

BTW Most dealers offer at least a 48hr approval period on amps.

[MARCO]

Explain why RayJ ??? I'm curious....I remember playing a VH4 once but cannot remember how it sounded tone wise, especially against a Herbert.

[electronpirate]

I also am interested to hear the differences in the Herbert and the VH4.

[electronpirate]

And these may be fine amps, but what makes them $4k plus? I could buy 3 excellent amps for that price.

EP.

[Argonaut4]

Originally posted by electronpirate
And these may be fine amps, but what makes them $4k plus? I could buy 3 excellent amps for that price.

EP.

You'll have to try one yourself to fully answer that. The build quality is outstanding as is the customer service. Also, it could be said that one of these amps could replace three excellent amps. To some it's worth it, to others, not. It was worth it to me.

Here's a gut shot of the Herbert:
http://www.diezelamplification.com/Diezelpics/porn.jpg

[Argonaut4]

Yep, you can run all those tubes. You can't just arbitrarily put the tubes in, though. They need to be in pairs. Each pair of power tubes must be set in positions 1&6, 2&5, and 3&4. Also, the amp will have to be properly biased when changing power tubes. You have to take the chassis out of the enclosure to do it. If you aren't familiar with biasing, I highly suggest you take it to competent tech.

BTW, I'm running El34's, KT66's, and 6550's in mine.

[MARCO]

I knew that already but thanks....I actually have the manual and preset tone list of all of the sounds you can dial in. I had Uwe help me with biasing. I am going to ship it to him sometime soon just to give it a tune up and look it over. I never did that since I bought it used. I want to be able to do some good old VH on the second channel and do some huge hard rock/metal on the third. I would think EL34's and KT-88's woukld do trick right ??

[Shane Regal]

I actually have the manual and preset tone list of all of the sounds you can dial in.
I'm curious. Where can I find the list, or are you refering to the presets up on the diezel site?

[MARCO]

i thinnk its the one from the website....ex. brown sound & then it gives you recommended setting to get that sound.

[ray j]

Originally posted by MARCO
Explain why RayJ ??? I'm curious....I remember playing a VH4 once but cannot remember how it sounded tone wise, especially against a Herbert.

I apologize if I sounded arrogant with that short post. I have both a VH4 and a Herbert. I play the VH4 much more because the tones just work better for the cover band I'm in.

Essentially, I bought the Herbert to complement the VH4 and give me another take on a clean channel and a completely different gain channel.

Others can probably articulate the differences between the 2 amps better than me...essentially, the Herbert has much more "tweakability" than the VH4. I personally found Channel 2 on the VH4 (I call it the AC/DC channel) to be much different than the Herbert's. I simply like the VH4 for this channel better. Friends have told me that the Herbert can dial in the same tone.

I think my Herbert is version 1.5 (it is the very first Herbert imported to the U.S.:NAMM show debut), so later versions may produce different results. I found the clean channel on the Herbert to be a bit chimier than the VH4's and the gain channel to be way, way, more over the top than Channel 4 on the VH4. Hope this helps.

[MARCO]

hey no problem...i think uwe told me that the differeence from the 1.5 and the 2.5 is very minimal...basically one version is less compressed than the other sort of speak. i love my herbert with the g12h30's and n.o.s. preamp tubes in it. now if i can get myself a set of kt88's i will be set.....does anyone know what position the kt88's work best or how they even sound in the amp ??

[Argonaut4]

Originally posted by MARCO
hey no problem...i think uwe told me that the differeence from the 1.5 and the 2.5 is very minimal...basically one version is less compressed than the other sort of speak. i love my herbert with the g12h30's and n.o.s. preamp tubes in it. now if i can get myself a set of kt88's i will be set.....does anyone know what position the kt88's work best or how they even sound in the amp ??

AFAIK, the power tube's position doesn't effect the tone; however, with the KT88's size, I would think the end positions would be best. IMO, of course.

[SgtThump]

Originally posted by electronpirate
And these may be fine amps, but what makes them $4k plus? I could buy 3 excellent amps for that price.

EP.

Exactly my thoughts... The Herbert sounds KILLER in this video, but there are many, many other amps out there under $4,000 (or even $2,000) that sound equally as good (just different).

Chris

[rastaman]

I'm honestly impressed. I always figured it was just a metal amp.

[electronpirate]

Now I'm interested.

So I do have a few questions for you owners.

When you save a program, is EVERYTHING saved? I mean all the lovely mid-cut, loop settings, and MOST importantly, the EQ settings? If so, it rivals my Superfly for versatility.

The changing of power tubes might be extremely fun, but if you put different tubes in different places, does it affect channels? In other words, if you put 6L6's in the outer (or whatever) slots, will it just affect the clean channel? Kt88's in the inner slots for the 3rd channel...you get what I mean.

If you can do THAT, I would understand the pricing on these things.

But that demo is very cool.

AMP MAKERS ON THIS BOARD:
A demonstration video is far and away the most effective way of showing the capabilities of your amp. This very casual showcasing production of an amp is one of the best marketing tools I have ever seen.

I admit to G.A.S. for this amp. But at 180 watts? Damn! Where the hell can I play this thing?

EP

[steve10358]

That kicked ass. It is refreshing to see someone that doesnt just play a blues lick or just metal and goes through some tones.

S.

[mentoneman]

mark seal is a christian guitarist whom i have seen a few times over the years.

i have a video he did from the church he played at. he used a boss rack unit direct back then and got nice tone.

he played at our church recently and his style changed fom vai back then to more bluesy. i think he's endorsed by fender as i saw him in the latest frontline magazine, and he has some online lesson deal at his website that is pretty popular.

props for my brother in Christ:)

[Baba]

I just came back to look at the demo again, that's not a good thing!

[Argonaut4]

Originally posted by Baba
I just came back to look at the demo again, that's not a good thing!

That's how it starts. Next thing you'll be downloading and printing out the owner's manual (and reading it cover to cover). :D

[Randy]

Yup, it sounds like you're in trouble....

Whatever you do, don't listen to this clip!! :eek:

http://www.diezelamplification.com/Sounds/Herbert.mp3

I did, and my bank account is now substantially reduced..... I've got great tone though! :D

[Baba]

Pffft, like I'm NOT going to listen to it!

I don't have uncontrollable GAS these days, especially with something at THAT price point, it's pretty easy to say no!

[StrykeBack]

shoot, I've only been playing for a little over a year and i've got gas for an amp like this. Its just beautiful with the blue glowing lights...though the logo looks a tad bit 80s ish to me.
I know the guy from Muse plays a diezel but not sure which one he's using. I just know he's got an amazing live tone for all the effects he's got.

[rbone100]

I just came back to look at the demo again, that's not a good thing!

Baba - I own a Diezel Herbert. Feel free to stop by and check it out anytime. It's simply an amazing amp!

Ralphie

[steve10358]

I've always loved that clip from the Diezel site. How can I get that with mine?!

S.

[Randy]

I've always loved that clip from the Diezel site. How can I get that with mine?!

S.

My Herbert sounds exactly like that clip. I was worried that the recording setup (whatever it was) shaped the tone, but right out of the box it sounds like that in the room (even better actually). What version is yours and what tubes are you running in it?

[steve10358]

I've got a 2.5 w/ the BSTR Chinese 34's.
I'm guessing it's channel 2+ w/ a slight mid cut??