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Neer
01-07-2011, 11:45 AM
Lee Konitz is, in my opinion, one of the greatest pure improvisers on any instrument in jazz history (83 years old and still playing his butt off!). Second, maybe, to Warne Marsh who is no longer living. Not just now, but of all-time. I don't mean in any way to knock the greatness of Charlie Parker (possibly the greatest force Jazz has ever known), among the many others, but I am speaking strictly in terms of being a pure improviser, which few players really are or were. I have at least 25 to 30 Konitz LPs, CDs, cassettes and my intention here is to share some of my favorites (if I could find them on Youtube).

The book "Conversation's On the Improviser's Art" is a very good read--it is a compilation of interviews with Lee and many others about Lee's music. Lee is very candid and insightful. He talks quite a bit on the subject of "prepared" improvisation and "intuitive" improvisation, citing players like Oscar Peterson and James Moody as having a "professional" approach to improvisation--in other words, having a routine. He talks about his approach to spontaneous composition, as opposed to playing a vocabulary. Here is one segment where he talks about Bird:

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"You've said that you thought Charlie Parker was really a "composer". You mean he had a vocabulary of phrases that he'd adapt?

What is a "composer"? One who puts good phrases together. When I came to New York with Claude Thornhill in '48, I went right to 52nd Street and listened to Charlie Parker. He sounded great, but very familiar to me, and I was wondering why that was at first. Then I realized he was playing vocabulary that I'd already heard on the records - but it was fantastically played and realized. As a "composer", he conceived of these great phrases, and fit them together in the most logical way, and played them until they came alive – and then decided to depend on what really communicated with his audience.

That approach doesn't appeal to you?

Of course we have to function with a vocabulary in order to speak musically. But because I've had so much experience playing, and had my confidence reinforced and encouraged through doing it, I realised that it's possible to really improvise. And that means going into it with a so-called clean slate. That appeals to me very much. Not to deny the importance of a speaking vocabulary, but having one that's flexible enough so it can be used to reinvent constantly.


Keith Jarrett stated it pretty eloquently on his new record, Always Let Me Go. He explained how he had to really withdraw from following through with something that he already knew could work. That's a very important point.


Both Bird and Coltrane had a very prolific vocabulary. It becomes licks and clichés when there's no feeling behind the phrase any more. But you have to have things to play. I have what I think of as a more flexible vocabulary. When I practice and come up with a good combination of notes, I work with it through the keys; different tonalities, rhythmic changes, etc. Then, when I play, that idea inevitably pops up in a most unexpected place.


Bird's phrases were very specific, and it was hard to alter them, for him or [followers such as] Jackie McLean or Sonny Stitt. Mine, and Warne Marsh's, phrases are more like filler material - rhythmic phrases that could be played in many different contexts, connecting one to the other…"
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From the amazing record, Motion (1961) with Elvin Jones and Sonny Dallas. Most highly recommended.


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Of course, this lee Konitz composition Subconscious-lee.


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This is a great recording and tune by Lennie Tristano, WOW, called that because that's what he thought people would say when they heard the bridge.


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Konitz with Brad Mehldau and Charlie Haden, playing 'Round Midnight:


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Here is another old classic, Marshmellow, a contrafact of Cherokee by Warne Marsh. Lee takes the first chorus and then Warne Marsh plays one of the greatest solos ever recorded IMO.

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All this music spans about 5 1/2 decades! Pretty remarkable.

ROKY
01-07-2011, 11:57 AM
I really enjoy Lee, but I'll take Bird and Trane every time .

My interpretation of his posted remarks(I've read 'em before..) is that he's really saying that his playing is more valid .

Pure[er] improvising(than the other players mentioned) ?

Whatever ..

Neer
01-07-2011, 12:15 PM
My post was not intended as a knock against Bird or anyone else, that would be ludicrous. I am a Bird lover. I am merely giving my opinion about Lee Konitz.

Lee's remarks about Bird and Coltrane shouldn't be construed as negative, although I could see how they would easily be. He does say quite a few eyebrow raising things in this book. Lee is not saying his playing is more valid, he is stating that his improvisation is not the result of being prepared--he prepares to not be prepared. He loves Bird. The book is really worth reading and it is easy to take things the wrong way out of context. He also really loves Wayne Shorter (so do I).

jb70
01-07-2011, 12:21 PM
lee is one of the greatest musicians of all-time. i saw him play a couple of years ago at the jazz gallery and he was playing as good, if not better, than he ever has

Dajbro
01-07-2011, 01:14 PM
What a great post. I love Lee's playing and approach to music. That book is a really good insight into what makes him tick and what is unique about him as a musician.

For those not familiar with his approach, listen to all the videos posted and then read this article on his 10 step method to improv:

http://www.melmartin.com/html_pages/Interviews/konitz.html

Some good ideas there to help get a person out of the rut of falling back on rote licks.

Dajbro
01-07-2011, 01:20 PM
Such a killing version of All Of Me posted. Wow! I love hearing Lee with Elvin.

Neer
01-07-2011, 02:34 PM
Here is another killer--this tune is called Ablution and is a contrafact of All The Things You Are.

Ablution (http://www.mikeneer.com/ATTYA/Konitz_Ablution.mp3)

muddy
01-07-2011, 02:55 PM
i used to play with al levitt's son when i was but a teen...


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Trevordog
01-07-2011, 06:09 PM
Lee is a real character. I saw him back in the 70s when I was heavy into my Lennie period, and the concert was supposed to be a tribute to Bird, and Lee comes out with a little cassette tape recorder and his alto.
He started speaking to the audience:
"People used to say that I was the only alto player who didn't play like Bird back in the 50s. Well, the only reason I didn't play like Bird was because I couldn't play as good as him!"
He then told the audience about the new "Supersax Plays Bird" record, and starts to play it on the tape recorder and tries to play along with it, but can't keep up with it.
He says:
"See, that sh-t was too hard to play- I still can't play it! That's the only reason I didn't sound like Bird- I couldn't play that sh-t!"
I was in high school back then, so it's hard to say if he was putting everyone on, but that's his nature; he always speaks his mind. He really upset one friend of mine who booked him for a jazz festival we played at. In The New Yorker, he called my friend a "scientific player". My friend was a swing/dixieland player, who didn't even know what chords he was playing on!
He may get a little carried away with the "truly improvisational" thing, but he does have a good point; a lot of players today are a little too "worked out".