Are there good neodymium speakers?

[Truxton Spangler]

I'm a speaker fan.. I prefer high power handling, heavy magnet speakers like Fanes with a rolled off top end and neutral character leaning a bit to the dark side

Are there any good neodymium 12" speakers that would suit me?

I'd love to shave a few kilos off a combo amp i've got planned :)

Best regards -T

[cbguy]

Jensen Neo Tornado.

After average break-in period the top end is tamed, I believe. Has a relatively neutral character. The Jensen Neo 100 is definitely neutral and sounds really good, also.

[Ampegasaur]

For a long time I was unable to.find one that worked for me. I played and owned several. I love the EV12ML Speaker. I had not found another speaker that could handle the watts, have a neutral tone, allowing the uncolored tone of the amp to come through. I believe I have finally found one. I have been hesitant to give a review until they were properly broken in. They are, and the Eminence Delta Pro Lite 2512 model is a neo magnet version of the Delta Pro. It is the only Neo magnet I can recommend. It is the only other speaker I can recommend period. I like it better than the original Delta Pro speaker. They also.weigh only 7 lbs, and handle 250 w.

[Truxton Spangler]

They also.weigh only 7 lbs, and handle 250 w. 7lbs is quite alot though?

[fakeox]

For a 250w speaker?

[fakeox]

Not for a 250w speaker..

[Crocker]

Eminence. No contest.

Peace.

[Jon Silberman]

I wouldn't put the Emi neos I bought (and quickly re-sold) in the same room with my Jensens. But that's me.

[phyrexia]

For a long time I was unable to.find one that worked for me. I played and owned several. I love the EV12ML Speaker. I had not found another speaker that could handle the watts, have a neutral tone, allowing the uncolored tone of the amp to come through. I believe I have finally found one. I have been hesitant to give a review until they were properly broken in. They are, and the Eminence Delta Pro Lite 2512 model is a neo magnet version of the Delta Pro. It is the only Neo magnet I can recommend. It is the only other speaker I can recommend period. I like it better than the original Delta Pro speaker. They also.weigh only 7 lbs, and handle 250 w.

Which amplifiers have you used the Deltalite with? You're the first person I've seen around here with firsthand experience with the speaker.

[jb70]

Jensen Neo Tornado.



amazing speaker but i wouldn't say it leans to the dark side. i would classify it as well-balanced

[VaughnC]

I'm using regular Jensen Neo's in my homebrew 12/10 amp and they sound less colored than others I've tried (which could be a good or bad thing). Very even sounding and tight with no flab...and easy on the back.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vaughn47/amps/BKrear.jpg

[man_mars]

Whatever happened to the Weber Neo speakers like the Neo Blue Dog etc ? They have/had a few prototypes available for sale on their website, but they haven't launched the full-line yet. Weber said that they planned on rolling it out Nov-Dec 2010. Anyone have any update on this, coz they almost never take calls.

Cheers !!!

[Truxton Spangler]

I'm using Jensen Neo's in my homebrew 12/10 amp and they sound less colored than others I've tried (which could be a good or bad thing). Very even sounding and tight with no flab...and easy on the back.
http://mysite.verizon.net/vaughn47/amps/BKrear.jpg

Are there tornados or the regular jensen neo? :)

Best regards -T

[gag halfrunt]

I just bought a Delta Pro Lite. Can't wait to try it out in a 1x12.

[VaughnC]

Are there tornados or the regular jensen neo? :)

Best regards -T
Mine are the regular Jensen Neo's.

[Jon Silberman]

Mine, too. I really dig 'em.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=743178&highlight=Jensen

And I have a Jensen Neo 12-100 & Weber NeoMag mix in this 2X12.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL1600/682310/23163661/389508688.jpg

[ford]

I know I've seen a thread where Joe Morgan was very happy with the Celestion 12" Neo....

[benderman]

Been using the Jensen Neo 12's in my 65 RI Twin for a few months and have nothing but praise for them,not only do they sound great but the are also easy on the old back lol!!!

[speedyone]

Somebody thought that 7 pounds was heavy for a speaker?

My Peavey Scorpion I'm replacing weighs 18 pounds.

Now that's heavy.

[Ben Furman]

Can't go wrong with either Jensen. Tornado is a little more colored.

[rockon1]

If anybody could equate the Jensen neo models to any particular Celestion models which would sound closest to which? The G12H-30,V30,G12K-100,G12-65 and G12T-75 are speakers Im most familiar with. Bob

[monkmiles]

I like the Eminence Lil Texas and the Jensen Neos.

[Ben Furman]

If anybody could equate the Jensen neo models to any particular Celestion models which would sound closest to which? The G12H-30,V30,G12K-65,G12-65 and G12T-75 are speakers Im most familiar with. Bob

They're not really in the same ballpark. They are hybrid US/Brit speakers with just a touch of Greenback quality, but smoother....

[Figaro]

Can someone give us some comparisons of the Jensen Neos to other speakers that we may have heard? Do the Neos have plenty of low end?

Also, how does the Tornado sound different from the 12-100?

[rockon1]

They're not really in the same ballpark. They are hybrid US/Brit speakers with just a touch of Greenback quality, but smoother....

Hmmmm. I have hope of lightening the weight of a couple amps. Of all the celestions I have the GB is one Im not so familiar with! lol! I really like the G12K-100 which has EV qualities to it. Anything like an EV? Bob

[Ben Furman]

Can someone give us some comparisons of the Jensen Neos to other speakers that we may have heard? Do the Neos have plenty of low end?

Also, how does the Tornado sound different from the 12-100?

I think they're unique. Both have plenty of low end. Tornado is rounder on the bottom and somewhat flatter up top. Original is smooth, uncolored, but percussive. Tornado is a little furrier in the midrange and has some extra high-end chime. Less efficient.

Anything like an EV? Bob

Dunno. I don't have personal experience with those. I like what I've heard from other players, but without doing A/B with my own amps I'd be reaching to say. The 12-100 is a pretty neutral speaker, but it doesn't come across as sterile in any way.

[speedyone]

Originally Posted by speedyone
My Peavey Scorpion I'm replacing weighs 18 pounds.

Is that from a Triumph or Ultra?

I think Scorpion magnets come in three sizes:
1) regular
2) heavy
3) wtf

The Scorpion is in my Renown 112.

I agree, it is "wtf" weighted!

77 pounds for a 1x12 combo.

I'm replacing the Scorpion with Jensen Neo 12-100 after doing much research.

[62Tele]

Regarding an EVM 12L Classic vs. Tornado: I've tried both speakers in the same cabs and side by side with an AB box. I find the Tornado to be a touch darker and not as efficient, but despite the 97 db rating still sounds efficient due to (I think) the lack of speaker distortion. The wee bit less weight of the Tornado (4.5 vs 17 lbs) gives me more cab resonance and response out of a lightweight pine 1x12. There's a little coloration to the Tornado that leaves me feeling that if I want to hear what a pedal really sounds like, I need to use the EV. That being said, I still find the Tornado pretty neutral. For my 40 watt amp, I like headroom and need to be able to hang with a large band at times, so I use the EV primarily. But for smaller rooms and lower headroom needs, the Tornado is a nice speaker.

I have the 10" Tornado in my little Clark Kanee and it does a good job - still breaking in. Definitely handles gain a lot better than the Weber it replaced. I'm tempted to build a light 12/10 cab using both Tornados, just not sure that I want to put that much work into an experiment right now. I think the combo could work really well in a Twin.

I'm very interested in the Delta Lite if it cops the EV tone - I notice that the EQ curve of the Lite has a faster tapering off of the highs than the Tornado which, given the above, I find a little difficult to rectify. The efficiency rating of the Eminence looks to be about 2DB higher than the Tornado which may have something to do with it.

[jzucker]

For a long time I was unable to.find one that worked for me. I played and owned several. I love the EV12ML Speaker. I had not found another speaker that could handle the watts, have a neutral tone, allowing the uncolored tone of the amp to come through. I believe I have finally found one. I have been hesitant to give a review until they were properly broken in. They are, and the Eminence Delta Pro Lite 2512 model is a neo magnet version of the Delta Pro. It is the only Neo magnet I can recommend. It is the only other speaker I can recommend period. I like it better than the original Delta Pro speaker. They also.weigh only 7 lbs, and handle 250 w.

That's odd because the deltalite is very dark. Cuts off sharply at 4k. Doesn't get any jangle at all. The EV12L cuts off at 5k. A JBL E series goes all the way to 6k.

I wish there was a delta lite that really worked as well as an EV but there just isn't.

[rsm]

Find the discontinued Celestion G12 Century (not the Century Vintage):

Nominal diameter: 12", 305mm
Power Rating: 80W
Nominal impedance: 8Ω and 16Ω
Sensitivity: 102dB
Chassis type: Pressed steel
Voice coil diameter: 1.75", 44.5mm
Voice coil material: Round copper
Magnet type: Neo
Frequency range: 80-5000Hz
Resonance frequency, Fs: 85Hz
DC resistance, Re: 7Ω & 11.81Ω

[Powertwang]

My four-6V6 VVT tweed Twin originally shipped with two regular Jensen Neos and I found them to be maybe the least colored speaker I can remember hearing (it's been 20 years or more since I dare play through EVs or JBLs, though). Ultimately, I yanked two of the power tubes and replaced the Neos with Weber Silver Bells because neutral and efficient was the last thing I was looking for. I do miss how light they made the amp, though.

I've been thinking that they might be useful to make some super low-wattage project-type amp more audible, but nothing like that has made its way to my living room, so I suppose I'd be willing to sell mine if somebody's interested. If so, PM me.

[Ampegasaur]

That's odd because the deltalite is very dark. Cuts off sharply at 4k. Doesn't get any jangle at all. The EV12L cuts off at 5k. A JBL E series goes all the way to 6k.

I wish there was a delta lite that really worked as well as an EV but there just isn't.

Not sure what you played, because they do. All I play are EV12ML and the Deltalites. They are by far the closest to any EV12ML ever made. I like them more than the original Delta Pro. Those were too dark. These are fantastic, anyone who says otherwise has not spent any real significant time with them, or truly compared them. My Landgraffs, Vintage Ampegs, modern High Gain amps, Dumble flavored, and Marshall flavored amps ALL sound amazing with them.

[wizard333]

Wasn't aware of that speaker, but if you use 12Ls and are familiar with them, and say the DLs nail it, gonna have to try them. The big drawback of the 12Ls is the back-breaker weight; if that sound were available at 7lbs I'd be tempted to use them in something other than a 1x12, which is all I can tolerate from a 12L.

Used to have a ported 4x12 with 12Ls back in the early 80s......took two folks to move it, and that was when we were young with strong backs......

[Ampegasaur]

Wasn't aware of that speaker, but if you use 12Ls and are familiar with them, and say the DLs nail it, gonna have to try them. The big drawback of the 12Ls is the back-breaker weight; if that sound were available at 7lbs I'd be tempted to use them in something other than a 1x12, which is all I can tolerate from a 12L.

Used to have a ported 4x12 with 12Ls back in the early 80s......took two folks to move it, and that was when we were young with strong backs......

My thoughts 100%. I had foot surgery, and can no longer haul around all my EV cabs, so I was looking for quite awhile trying all the Neos I could. They do need some break in for sure, about 80 hrs. Worth it for sure.