G system

[sixstringmonk]

Has anyone ever tried to control their G-System from an external midi source? I'm in a band where we play to a sequence that is being run in digital performer on a mac. There should be a way to have the mac send all of the patch changes automatically in sync with the sequence right? I'm guessing there is no way to send the expression pedal information.

Has anyone tried this? Never having to be at my pedal board sounds intriguing.

[mrscott99]

i have used everything under the sun as far as effects go. I ordered one and I am not only impressed but it is very easy to use. There is absolutely no dead air between patches and it has the latest software with the pitch shift with scale choices and it tracks very well. It's loops are very quiet and it is very rugged. I got mine through RMC audio for 1295 shipped and that is there every day price. It is good enough Vai, enough said.

[benbenben]

Hows the G system used directly into the mixer? I know there's no amp sim on it or anything, but how does it sound? Is it horrible, or okay? Or even brilliant?

[Stike]

Anyone come up with any good ideas for a case to transport the g system? I don't want to keep bringing the box to gigs.

Thanks,

Steve

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[andy_i]

I got my new G-system on Tuesday in Paris. What a beauty and it sounds awesome! I'm on tour at the moment, so I've already tried cabling the g-system as per the 4-cable method on several amps without much success. Once it's all cabled, I find that I don't get the amp drive channels coming through. Instead only the clean signal is affected by the G-system and the overdrive sounds are not affected. I have overdrive at 100% dry and clean sounds with FX at 100% wet.

If, on the other hand, I wire the system directly into the amp loop, Amp Insert Send --> G-system Instrument in & G-system out L (Mono) --> Amp insert return, it works perfectly with the FX loop set to 100% wet. I'd like to know what I'm ding wrong here. I adjusted the system level from the factory preset -20db to a more comfortable -10db, as the first night, I had level problems with a Marshall JCM2000 head, both at -10db and +4db.

Any help regarding the 4-cable system would be greatly appreciated...

Andy Innes

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[avenerjimmie]

I tried to look through, but 68 pages is pretty intense and I may have missed it:

Has anyone used this thing in the effects loop of a Bogner Shiva yet? That's my plan, but I wanted to know if the Shiva's effects loop was weird about the G System (it seems to be weird about alot).

[keychange]

Did you turn the insert loop on in the loops menu? If it's not on you will only get clean sounds. I had the same problem at first and that was the cause for me.

[supersecretjim]

Being impatient, as I am, I emailed TC support regarding status of software editor & latest version of software update.

This is the response I recieved...

Response (Brian)05/30/2007 04:35 PMHi James,
Thanks for the inquiry. Unfortunately at this time we have no public info available as to the release date or features of the new G-System software. please continue to check our website over the comming weeks for info and updates. Thanks for your time. Cheers! Customer (James Williams)05/22/2007 04:59 PMWhen will the new software update be out? 2.01 has been out since early 4 quarter of 2006. I understand its ready, but waiting for TC to finish the computer software editor. When will one or both of these be available?

Also, what is included in the newest software version?




I dont know what to think about that. No real info at all. Couldnt hurt to ask, I guess. "Coming weeks" could possibly be a clue to a time frame.

[paults]

Unfortunately Volume isn't one of the options listed to be controlled? I can use the wah drive level for wah patches but that is less than ideal

To use your Expression pedal as a volume controller on a particular patch, Try mapping the pedal to the output level of any series effect. You can even do this with an effect that you don't want in the patch, If you set the effect's depth to 0.

[keychange]

To use your Expression pedal as a volume controller on a particular patch, Try mapping the pedal to the output level of any series effect. You can even do this with an effect that you don't want in the patch, If you set the effect's depth to 0.

I will try that though it sucks having to mod each patch that way, I am surprised it isn't an option now? I am also kind of disappointed that my old Boss GT-6 was way more flexible with regards to what could be controlled...though the sound was not the same quality. Sure would be nice if they would release an update already. I can live without the editor and be happy to have a few of the bugs fixed.

[kevin_jazz]

Hello,

I have been following with interest the various threads on the G-System. I didn't really understand it before, but now that I own a Mesa Express 5:50, I appreciate what a powerful the G-system is. ScottKahn's excellent review on musicplayers.com helped me understand some of the strengths and limitations of this device. Having said that I still have a few questions about it and I hope some of the G-systems users will be willing to answer them

For the new Mesas, how many channels or functions can I switch with the G-system? For the Mesa Express, there are 4 inserts controlling the 2 channels, contour, and reverb.

The 4 loops are wired to go in front of the pre-amp correct? So this works for overdrive type pedals but how about additional modulation pedals, for example, the H&K Rotosphere? Those are supposed to go after the preamp. So, the G-system will not work for those pedals? The power system for the pedals is 9V, I think. So, for juicier pedals like the Rotosphere or, say, Pigtronix Disnortion (15V), could not be powered by the G-system.

On my VG-88, I can great these great "slow gear" swells. Can you get a similar effect on the G-system--sort of more Eventide-ish ambient effects?

Thank you for your time,

Best,

Kevin
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Godin Multiac Jazz, Exit 22, VG-88
Mesa Express 5:50

[supersecretjim]

Ive got a 15 volt distortion box that powers up just fine. On the other hand, Ive got another that doesnt. Go figure. That pedal may have a reverse polarity connector on it. I may stop by radio shack & see about an acaptor to try out.

[mcalldp]

Hi all, I've been reading this LARGE thread and gleaming what info I can. I think I am pretty close to pulling the trigger on a G-system. My question is this:

Is the G-system worth having if you CAN NOT use it in an effects loop at all? I worry that the delays and stuff will sound bad otherwise as I will be running my guitar into the G-system straight to the input of my TopHat Ambassador 50 head.

I'll have a couple pedals in the loops (BBE Green Screamer, BBE Boosta Grande, Strobostomp) and either my wah out front or an expression pedal to control the onboard wah if it' sounds and feels right.

So plugging one cable from g-system straght into front of amp.....what's your opinion on this and any drawbacks I might find in doing so? :messedup

P.S. Will the g-sytem turn my amps spring reverb on and off dependant on the patch change or to use my amps reverb will I still have to have an extra pedal on the floor?

[sixstringmonk]

If you are running the amp clean it will work.

[mcalldp]

If you are running the amp clean it will work.


Why would it not work otherwise?
I am getting my distortion from pedals in the loop.
The TopHat is pretty clean though it gets a LITTLE crunch around the edges at it's highest volume. It's not a chan; switching high gain amp though- more vox/fender sounds in it for the most part.

Should still be good? Delays and stuff will still sound good and not washed out you think? Thanks for your replay and info. Helps me in making a choice on purchase and it's a lot of money for me so I am trying to investigate a lot first ;-)

[sixstringmonk]

If delays and reverb happen in the signal before distortion it tends to sound very bad. So if you are running your amp clean with your distortion pedals in the G-System loops, you'll be good to go as long as you don't push your amp into too much breakup/distortion.

[mcalldp]

THanks Sixstring monk. Somewhere else I saw it mentioned that using a mixer might be a good idea to retain my guitar tone and putting the g-system effects on 100% wet and dialing them in a bit. Is this a big improvment? How does it work? What mixer is suggested if this is a better way to hook straight in?


If delays and reverb happen in the signal before distortion it tends to sound very bad. So if you are running your amp clean with your distortion pedals in the G-System loops, you'll be good to go as long as you don't push your amp into too much breakup/distortion.

[CNOTE]

Yes -- i'll do that, i think i'll sit tight and wait to see what comes up.
Many thanks for the email regarding that Phase too.

MARK

I picked up my TC VPD-1 pedal when the steel knobs were first used vs. the plastic. Also cothe Boost side has treb, flat, and base toggle switch for desired effect on the OD side. Now this combination can run from cold clean to full out controlled dirt. Each side has a small control that moves the VPD into warmer areas; Bass on Boost side and Tone on Drive side. Top-Boost inacted with these controls tweaked to your tone level control on your particular guitar can get seriously interesting.

I also use:Zen, Timmy, Mosferatu, Fulldrive OCD-1, Keely Compressor as a basic line for OD pedals. I include the Keeley Compressor as an OD also because it will definitely give you some nice OD. Having said that, the VPD1 definitely has it's place within that group of pedals.

We went through a bunch of pedals using 2 ea. 68 50 watt Marshall Heads, 64 Princeton Reverb, Diamond 50 watt Head, 06 Marshall 2061X Head, 1968 Marshall Lead Bass Head. Ran the heads through Greenbacks 2X12s and 4 X12s.

It was very nice to sit down and listen to the differences and grasp a better understanding where each one could work in my type of playing.:eek:
The sound guy doing the samples was amazed at the VPD1. Additionally, he showed me the relationships between the controls and how to dial things in and out for ones sound.
The VPD1 is a very fine pedal that will produce some Tone you can control. Personnally, I use the TC VPD1 as a stand alone pedal straight into the amp without compression.

[benttop]

If you are running the amp clean it will work.

+1 - it sounds great in front of a clean amp. And yes, you can run a cable from the switch outputs and control your reverb from the G-System.

[sixstringmonk]

Tore,

Many of us are dying for this easy to produce information:
What are the default levels for all the in, out, loop, and insert levels?

Thanks :)

[gbtommasi]

Some days ago i bought a X1 Expression pedal on line, on thomann music store for 55 euros plus 20 for shipping: the price is lower than expected, which is very good. The pedal is supposed to be shipped from TC around june 30th, and consequeltly they will ship to me.
Tore, can we expect the software to be shipped along with the new pedals? Let's hope

[+BroNNoS+]

Some days ago i bought a X1 Expression pedal on line, on thomann music store for 55 euros plus 20 for shipping
If I look at the thomann site the pedal is 115 euro..

[gbtommasi]

If I look at the thomann site the pedal is 115 euro..

I see that price too, now. I guess they made a mistake in the price, and changed it right after my order. I was pretty lucky so... I had the suspect something was wrong, and that's the reason why i ordered it before they have actual availability...
Let's just hope they don't ask me more money :D

[Tore TC]

Hi,

Once again I have to apologize for not giving you guys any updates. I'm currently preparing the launch of our new Nova pedals, the G-Natural acoustic floor processor, the OctaScreamer pedal and the V1 and X1 pedals at the same time - once they're in the stores I'll hopefully be a lot more active on this board again.

Status on the software and editor: We have an unforeseen problem that prevents us from launching and are working full time to solve it. Sorry... I still can't commit to a specific date.

Here are - of the top of my head - all the level-related default values for G-System. Let me know if I forgot any:

Input Gain: 0dB
Loop Level: 10dB
Loop Headroom: 2dB
Volume: 0dB
Output Level: 0dB
Boost Max: 6dB

[campersand]

I apologize if this has been covered but I came across something the other day that I somehow hadn't noticed up 'til now. I was trying to make a patch with two separate "mod" effects, e.g., chorus and flange, and I couldn't do it. It made me choose one or the other. This seems like a silly issue to have with such a high end unit so I'm hoping that there's a way around it?

[gbtommasi]

Hi,

Once again I have to apologize for not giving you guys any updates. I'm currently preparing the launch of our new Nova pedals, the G-Natural acoustic floor processor, the OctaScreamer pedal and the V1 and X1 pedals at the same time - once they're in the stores I'll hopefully be a lot more active on this board again.

Status on the software and editor: We have an unforeseen problem that prevents us from launching and are working full time to solve it. Sorry... I still can't commit to a specific date.



hei Tore, the guys at the web shop where i bought my X1 said that they expect it to be shipped around June, 30th. Can you confirm this?

I apologize if this has been covered but I came across something the other day that I somehow hadn't noticed up 'til now. I was trying to make a patch with two separate "mod" effects, e.g., chorus and flange, and I couldn't do it. It made me choose one or the other. This seems like a silly issue to have with such a high end unit so I'm hoping that there's a way around it?

you have to do two presets, one with a chorus and the other with a flanger, and then switch between the two. Actually expression pedal will not change effects type, but just effects parameter, Anyhow, i don't know if someone else has found a workaround for this!

[orangenoise]

Can the expression pedals send midi cc yet... or are we still waiting for that in a software update?

[campersand]

you have to do two presets, one with a chorus and the other with a flanger, and then switch between the two. Actually expression pedal will not change effects type, but just effects parameter, Anyhow, i don't know if someone else has found a workaround for this!

Really? That seems really lame to be limited that way. Maybe I'll write TC and ask about it.

[+BroNNoS+]

Really? That seems really lame to be limited that way. Maybe I'll write TC and ask about it.
Well, I wouldn't call it "lame" or "silly". I think it is fairly common for multi effect procs to have this configured in this way. You can choose 1 modulation effect at a time, chorus or a phaser or a flanger type. Just as you can select one pitch effect type at a time, as well as one delay type and one reverb type... sometimes you see dual mod type like in the Digitech 2120, but the quality of the effects is lower than using the same processor power for a single mod effect... so it is all a matter of choice what you're going to do with your processing power.. and costs... I personally am glad that TC choose for quality instead of quantity....
and I almost never use a chorus together with a flanger.. and there is always the option of using a loop with a pedal.. :)

[sixstringmonk]

The closest you can get to Flanger + Chorus is Flanger + Detune.

[gbtommasi]

The closest you can get to Flanger + Chorus is Flanger + Detune.

true! and it's very nice! and on most processors detune and chorus are in the same group so you can only use one of them.

I wrote them about that same question and they replied that no you can't have two mod effects in the same preset because they share the same engine(unlike the Digitech TSR 24-S remember that one, still have mine.). just as you can't have two pitch effects or two reverbs etc....

This is a choice. G-system uses two different DSPs for dynamic effects and delay-based effects (pre and post distortion), with dual conversion. Personally ai appreciate this choice, and if it were possible to use two effects of the same group in the same patch you'd probably need another dsp, or loose effects quality.

Never forget the actual possibility of using a loop!

[dan p]

Yeah, I don't really like the sound of the phaser post-preamp anyway, so I'll probably just put one in a loop and solve both problems. I just wish I would have realized this before I sold my Smallstone a couple of weeks ago!

[gbtommasi]

Yeah, I don't really like the sound of the phaser post-preamp anyway, so I'll probably just put one in a loop and solve both problems. I just wish I would have realized this before I sold my Smallstone a couple of weeks ago!

yup, i had a small stone too! veeery nice, and i sold mine too, too bad. I agree with you: phaser sounds its best before the pre... but post distortion anyway imo

[Meat Head]

I bugged TC for months after I bought my G-Sys and decided it was a keeper for a user patch library. They were predictably un-responsive. I finally decided to start my own... At this point it's VERY humble. I only have a handful of patches original enough to put up myself.

If anyone is interrested in such a resource please stop by and post a few of your favorite patches.

Many thanks and enjoy the site.

http://tcgpage.com/index.php

[andy_i]

You guys were looking for G-system flight cases. Here's the rolling, lockable road case I just had built for my G. The guys at case connection (http://www.caseconnection.co.za) built it for me and they customise and ship. It came in sub $400

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[sixstringmonk]

I bugged TC for months after I bought my G-Sys and decided it was a keeper for a user patch library. They were predictably un-responsive. I finally decided to start my own... At this point it's VERY humble. I only have a handful of patches original enough to put up myself.

If anyone is interrested in such a resource please stop by and post a few of your favorite patches.

Many thanks and enjoy the site.

http://tcgpage.com/index.php

Fantastic!

[gbtommasi]

I bugged TC for months after I bought my G-Sys and decided it was a keeper for a user patch library. They were predictably un-responsive. I finally decided to start my own... At this point it's VERY humble. I only have a handful of patches original enough to put up myself.

If anyone is interrested in such a resource please stop by and post a few of your favorite patches.

Many thanks and enjoy the site.

http://tcgpage.com/index.php

Great idea! i am in

[Sadhaka]

Mate, the site looks awesome... I just joined!

Humble you say? I think it's going to fill out real quick. Well done on taking the initiative. :)

I bugged TC for months after I bought my G-Sys and decided it was a keeper for a user patch library. They were predictably un-responsive. I finally decided to start my own... At this point it's VERY humble. I only have a handful of patches original enough to put up myself.

If anyone is interrested in such a resource please stop by and post a few of your favorite patches.

Many thanks and enjoy the site.

http://tcgpage.com/index.php

[mrt]

LETS HEAR SOME CLIPS!!!! MP3's. Post up,

I want one. I just sold a huge part of my effects crap to get this.

I heard the G-force sounds better, but I like the idea of everything being on the floor!!!

PUT SOME CLIPS UP!!!! GIVE ME SOME CRAZZZZZY EFFECTS!!!!! :crazyguy:crazyguy:crazyguy:crazyguy:crazyguy:craz yguy

[aksman]

I'm finally about to pull the trigger on this one, just for the sake of the loops. It's going to replace my PodXTlive, so I'd like to know what this thing has in common with the Pod as far as effects go. Some seemed unclear from the manual.

Does this have a volume swell? any Synth sounds? a rundown of effects it has/can do that the pod does would be great (or rather what the pod does that this thing doesn't do).

[mrt]

I'm finally about to pull the trigger on this one, just for the sake of the loops. It's going to replace my PodXTlive, so I'd like to know what this thing has in common with the Pod as far as effects go. Some seemed unclear from the manual.

Does this have a volume swell? any Synth sounds? a rundown of effects it has/can do that the pod does would be great (or rather what the pod does that this thing doesn't do).

Yeah, I'm replacing the POD also, I used it in the loop of my amps, but its sucking the tone right out of it!!! the pod has some very cool effects! I dont know what all the G-system has????????

TELL US!!!!!!!!!!!!:crazyguy;)

[paults]

The Owner's Manual is a free download- that'll tell you all the details on the effects, as well as show various ways to integrate it into your rig.

A little creative programming will give you synthy sounds. Using Pitch shift to go up an octave is a great start, and you can add auto wah for those wacky quacky sounds.

In response to another statement - the G-Force doesn't sound better. I used my G-Force for eight years, and sold it after I got my G-System. G-Force has deeper editing capabilities, and some differences in effects blocks. I heard no sonic compromises when I directly compared the two. Depending on your needs, the pedalboard, relays and loops on the G-System more than offset the esoteric parameters that are available in the G-Force.

[gbtommasi]

In response to another statement - the G-Force doesn't sound better. I used my G-Force for eight years, and sold it after I got my G-System. G-Force has deeper editing capabilities, and some differences in effects blocks. I heard no sonic compromises when I directly compared the two. Depending on your needs, the pedalboard, relays and loops on the G-System more than offset the esoteric parameters that are available in the G-Force.

G-system algorithms actually are g-force algorithms. See what tore posted some month ago:

Hey guys,

Sorry for not posting here for a while, but I've been away for xmas. I'll try to address a couple of the issues mentioned lately:

1. The G-System algorithms are the same as the ones found in G-Force except for two blocks: Comp and Filter. These have actually been rewritten and improved because they're now at the right place in the signal chain... before the distortion. I think the reason why some people thinks G-System is using the G-Major algorithms is that amount of parameters you can control in G-System is closer to G-Major. We have conducted many user tests and surveys and found that the vast majority of users thought the G-Force GUI was too complicated and preferred the G-Major interface.

[mrt]

The Owner's Manual is a free download- that'll tell you all the details on the effects, as well as show various ways to integrate it into your rig.

A little creative programming will give you synthy sounds. Using Pitch shift to go up an octave is a great start, and you can add auto wah for those wacky quacky sounds.

In response to another statement - the G-Force doesn't sound better. I used my G-Force for eight years, and sold it after I got my G-System. G-Force has deeper editing capabilities, and some differences in effects blocks. I heard no sonic compromises when I directly compared the two. Depending on your needs, the pedalboard, relays and loops on the G-System more than offset the esoteric parameters that are available in the G-Force.

Do you run it in the FX loop? does it suck any tone from your amp?

I read most of the manual, and saw the demo's.. But it never really got into any "weird" effects, I'm sure it does the chorus, delays are fine, ?

CLIPS:Spank:Spank

[paults]

Do you run it in the FX loop? does it suck any tone from your amp?

I read most of the manual, and saw the demo's.. But it never really got into any "weird" effects, I'm sure it does the chorus, delays are fine, ?

CLIPS:Spank:Spank

Yes, I have pre FX before the preamp, and the post FX in the loop of either a Marshall Jubilee head, or a H+K Switchblade. Take a little time to do the level matching, and no tone suckage.

[jgmeadowlands]

greetings!!!
im spanking new here,,and this is me 1st post
so i got the G system this week,,and what i want to as k is this
i m using the G through my carvin legacy stack through the effects loop..but now my the graphic on the amp aint workin..
i can turn the volume on my amp up or down and it does,nt affect my volume at all..
so what should i do to enable me to use my amps graphic???
thanks

[sixstringmonk]

It sounds like you are bypassing the preamp. Here is how I have mine set up:
Guitar -> G-sys
G-Sys Loop Send -> Legacy front input
Legacy Loop Send -> G-Sys loop return
G-Sys out left -> Legacy loop return

Hope that helps!

[nitefly7]

greetings!!!
im spanking new here,,and this is me 1st post
so i got the G system this week,,and what i want to as k is this
i m using the G through my carvin legacy stack through the effects loop..but now my the graphic on the amp aint workin..
i can turn the volume on my amp up or down and it does,nt affect my volume at all..
so what should i do to enable me to use my amps graphic???
thanks

how did you hook up the G-system? just Legacy Loop send -> input G system -> output G-system -> Legacy Loop Return?
(2 cables)

or did you do the
guitar -> G sys in
+
G sys insert loop send -> Legacy input
Legacy Loop Send -> G sys insert loop return
+
G sys out -> Legacy Loop Return
(4 cables)

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and do you mean your 'eq knobs', when you say your 'graphic' .. ?

[jgmeadowlands]

guys thanks for the replies
i,ve have it set up as you both suggested---
Guitar -> G-sys
G-Sys Loop Send -> Legacy front input
Legacy Loop Send -> G-Sys loop return
G-Sys out left -> Legacy loop return

and yes by graphic i mean eq knobs

now at the mo the way its workin out is...
if i step on filter...(its set to resonance filter at the mo),,then i can use my eq knobs inc. volume
but if i turn the filter off,,then i can,t use my eq knobs

help!!!!..........lol

[gbtommasi]

guys thanks for the replies
i,ve have it set up as you both suggested---
Guitar -> G-sys
G-Sys Loop Send -> Legacy front input
Legacy Loop Send -> G-Sys loop return
G-Sys out left -> Legacy loop return

and yes by graphic i mean eq knobs

now at the mo the way its workin out is...
if i step on filter...(its set to resonance filter at the mo),,then i can use my eq knobs inc. volume
but if i turn the filter off,,then i can,t use my eq knobs

help!!!!..........lol

have you turn your insert loop on and locked it? Sound like you're running thrugh the loop of your amp but you did not activated the insert loop on the g-sys, so that the only signal you have is the return to your power amp (that's why volume knob isn't workin). Let us know

[jgmeadowlands]

insert loop is on..and locked

[sixstringmonk]

I'm stumped.

[jgmeadowlands]

yeah,,me too

and i got to be honest..i wont be gigging this anytime soon,,the effects on this unit hav,nt blown me away...
i may very well not have it set up properly,,but i have tried tweeking all the effects parameters,,but it just does,nt sound that great to me..

also,,when i have this unit connected to my amp...the amp volume drops,,i have to crank up the amp a bit more to get the same volume that id have if i was going straight into the amp(without using the G)

[sixstringmonk]

The volume drop is because of the boost function. The boost function works in reverse of how a booster pedal works. In the case of the g-sys, the output is turned down 6dbs by default. When you engage the boost then the signal goes back up to full.

I'd be more concerned that there is something wrong with either your amp or the g-sys if you have everything set up correctly and the preamp still isn't working correctly.

[jgmeadowlands]

well i know it aint my amp
so i guess ill just sell the G and continue using my current set-up

[paults]

It sounds like the Filter button is mapped to the loop containing the preamp. Try initializing the G-Sys, especially if you bought it used.

[mrt]

well i know it aint my amp
so i guess ill just sell the G and continue using my current set-up

what is your current setup?

I'll buy the G system off ya if you dont like it! Pm if you want to sell it!!!

[jgmeadowlands]

thanks paults!!!

i cleared the system,,(same as initializing right??)
and that,s sorted that,,i can now use my pre-amp,graphic,volume knobs..ect ect..so cheers for that

mrt....ill keep you posted,,cause the actual effects still are,nt blowing me away.....my current set-up is a few boss pedals(boss chorus,boss delay,boss eq,digitech whammy,morley wah)
and im happy with the way that set-up works for me,,but i wanted to get the G to check it out
i cant get any of the choruses to sound as nice and warm as the boss ch-1 that i use
anyway,,ill keep plugin away and see if i can make it work,,lol
ill let you know either way mrt

[kevin_jazz]

Parker Fly 93 Deluxe, Parker Fly 05 Mojo, Takamine Nylon String, Yamaha Silent Gtr, Taylor 614 ce, Ovation Mandolin mm68, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster head + rectifier 4x12, TC Electronic G-system, TC Electronic Vintage Overdrive, Carl Martin Heavy Drive, NI Guitar rig run off MOTU Ultralite & Sony Vaio sz450n, Trace Acoustic TA100R, Little Lehle stereo switcher, Lehle P-split, Boss TU-2, live system runs stereo (L-ac piezos | R - elec pickups) | http://www.myspace.com/andyinnes

Hi Andy, I noticed that you are using a laptop wth NI Guitar rig in addition to the G-system. That strikes me as almost overkill, but I have a VG-88 and a GI-20, the later of which I've been thinking of integrating with my G-system and a laptop to control Logic softsynths.

Could you elaborate on how you are using the laptop and how it fits with the G-system??

Thanks,

Kevin

[kevin_jazz]

I'm wondering what their favorite parameters people are using to control with their expression pedal. Right now, I'm digging the control of the high frequency cut-off of the resonant filter with my expression pedal. That creates this cool sweeping filter effect similar to what electronica-types like to use with their synth. A very different feel from an auto-wah.

Cheers,

Kevin

[thedeadsea]

Hi Andy, I noticed that you are using a laptop wth NI Guitar rig in addition to the G-system. That strikes me as almost overkill, but I have a VG-88 and a GI-20, the later of which I've been thinking of integrating with my G-system and a laptop to control Logic softsynths.

Could you elaborate on how you are using the laptop and how it fits with the G-system??

Thanks,

Kevin

Well, I know you didn't actually direct this question to me, but being somwone who has a laptop at the heart of my rig, I thought I'd explain how I use it:

I have a setup where I use the digital out of the g system (after effects loops: EHX Hog, TIM pedal, Analogman Comprossor) into a MOTU Traveler. I use Ableton Live on a Macbook Pro to run effects, layer loops, trigger samples etc. which is controlled by a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI pedal. The output of the MOTU goes to a stereo guitar amp setup.

For me, this setup is amazingly powerful; virtually anything is possible and with next to no latency I can get just about any sound I want...
The G System is great for classic effects, but for everything else, you can't beat the limitless possibilities of plugins...

Hope this makes sense...

Tim.

[jhbpa]

If delays and reverb happen in the signal before distortion it tends to sound very bad. So if you are running your amp clean with your distortion pedals in the G-System loops, you'll be good to go as long as you don't push your amp into too much breakup/distortion.

I agree with this assessment and I've tried the G-System straight into a 66 Bassman, JTM 45 clone, Chicago Bluesbox and a Gjika 77.

They all work fine since they all stay clean to fairly high levels.

I'm willing to put the Gjika 77 with G-System up against any amp with an effects loop. It was designed to really "require" pedals, ie his mini amp and I'm really satisified with that set up.

The G-System takes a lot of tweaking to minimize tone sucking (it will never be as organic as a cord, a guitar and an amp) but you can get real close and it is so damn convenient for controlling pedals even if you're only a minimal effects user.

Once of the best tips I got somewhere else in this thread for minimizing tone sucking is basically disabling the boost function by setting the max boost level to zero db. I assign the boost pedal to another function and use a clean boost pedal in one of the loops. The boost function in the digital realm effectively works as an attenuator when it is off.

[andy_i]

Hi Andy, I noticed that you are using a laptop wth NI Guitar rig in addition to the G-system. That strikes me as almost overkill, but I have a VG-88 and a GI-20, the later of which I've been thinking of integrating with my G-system and a laptop to control Logic softsynths.

Could you elaborate on how you are using the laptop and how it fits with the G-system??

Thanks,

Kevin

Hi Kevin

I'm using the NI Rig on Loop 2 as a manual add on for some of the interesting swells and time and seq. based FX in Guitar Rig. Obviously I don't use the Guitar Rig overdrives, as I get those from my Boogie head, and occasionally from the Pedals.

Setup (with 4-cable method) goes G-system Loop 2 send --> MOTU Ultralite in 1 --> Guitar Rig --> Motu Ultralite out mono --> G sys Loop 2 Return.

HTH

Andy

Parker Fly 93 Deluxe, Parker Fly 05 Mojo, Takamine Nylon String, Yamaha Silent Gtr, Taylor 614 ce, Ovation Mandolin mm68, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster head + rectifier 4x12, TC Electronic G-system, TC Electronic Vintage Overdrive, Carl Martin Heavy Drive, NI Guitar rig run off MOTU Ultralite & Sony Vaio sz450n, Trace Acoustic TA100R, Little Lehle stereo switcher, Lehle P-split, Boss TU-2, live system runs stereo (L-ac piezos | R - elec pickups) | http://www.myspace.com/andyinnes

[andy_i]

Has anyone used an Axess CFX4 with G-sys to switch a Boogie head?

I see that I could potentially damage my amp head if I switch direct from the G-sys, but I'd like to know how complex the process is to set up midi switching from the G.

Anyone?

A

Parker Fly 93 Deluxe, Parker Fly 05 Mojo, Takamine Nylon String, Yamaha Silent Gtr, Taylor 614 ce, Ovation Mandolin mm68, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster head + rectifier 4x12, TC Electronic G-system, TC Electronic Vintage Overdrive, Carl Martin Heavy Drive, NI Guitar rig run off MOTU Ultralite & Sony Vaio sz450n, Trace Acoustic TA100R, Little Lehle stereo switcher, Lehle P-split, Boss TU-2, live system runs stereo (L-ac piezos | R - elec pickups) | http://www.myspace.com/andyinnes

[mrt]

Has anyone used an Axess CFX4 with G-sys to switch a Boogie head?

I see that I could potentially damage my amp head if I switch direct from the G-sys, but I'd like to know how complex the process is to set up midi switching from the G.

Anyone?

A

Parker Fly 93 Deluxe, Parker Fly 05 Mojo, Takamine Nylon String, Yamaha Silent Gtr, Taylor 614 ce, Ovation Mandolin mm68, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster head + rectifier 4x12, TC Electronic G-system, TC Electronic Vintage Overdrive, Carl Martin Heavy Drive, NI Guitar rig run off MOTU Ultralite & Sony Vaio sz450n, Trace Acoustic TA100R, Little Lehle stereo switcher, Lehle P-split, Boss TU-2, live system runs stereo (L-ac piezos | R - elec pickups) | http://www.myspace.com/andyinnes

I would like to know that also... I have a CFX4, and I'm getting the G-System, I would think its fine, I ran the CFX4 with many ground units, PODxt live, Boss. ect.ect. but not a 100% sure with the G-system?? .

[campersand]

When I turn my Depth to 100% while using the tremolo, my signal still isn't muted in between peaks like it should be. This is kinda frustrating. Anyone else have this problem or have any idea what I might be doing wrong?

[campersand]

Never mind, I figured out that for some reason it does this when running in parallel mode but not in semi-parallel or serial. Anyone have any idea why?

[kevin_jazz]

Thought you guys might be interested in knowing that Adam Levine and James Valentine from Maroon 5 both use the G-system.

This is a quote from an interview in Guitar Edge magazine:
" His (Levine) T.C. Electronic G-system controls the pedals: Divided by 13 Lift, Robert Keely modified Ibanez TS9, and Boss Metal Zone"....."He (Valentine) uses the same strings and TC Electronic G-system control center as Levine." Parenthetically, Valentine uses the Divided by 13 Joyride, Z. Vex Super Duper 2-in-1, Z. Vex Fuzz Factory, and MXR Phase Shifter pedals.

Besides the artists listed on the T.C. Electronics website, anyone else know who is using the G-system?

Kevin

[kevin_jazz]

Does anyone know how to use headphones with the G-system for "silent" playing? The only approach I can think of is to connect the G-system via SPIDF to a computer or maybe the output to a little mixing board.

Kevin

[+BroNNoS+]

Never mind, I figured out that for some reason it does this when running in parallel mode but not in semi-parallel or serial. Anyone have any idea why?
In parallel mode you always have dry signal (= unaffected), therefore no tremolo on that part..

[portcitymusic]

I wanted to know if anyone is or has had problems with their pedals in the loops of the G-System. I currently have the following pedals in the loops:

1. Ibanez Tube Screamer (Modded.)
2. Xotic AC Booser
3. Fulltone OCD v3
4. AMT California Pedal

These pedals sound great running direct into the front of the amp however when I place them in th loops the sound of the pedals change. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Daniel

[Kborg]

I think I shall take the plunge and by a G Sys tomorrow. With all of the users here...Page 72 of the posts... Nobody talks ths long about something crappy!!

What is the best expression pedal to use with this? I have no personal preferrence just want ease of interface... I WILL adapt!

[+BroNNoS+]

These pedals sound great running direct into the front of the amp however when I place them in th loops the sound of the pedals change. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Daniel

How is your complete setup now? Are the pedals still in front of your amp i.e. is your preamp in the insert as well? If you have your G-System in the effectloop of the amp and the pedals are in the loops op the Gsys they will for sure sound different as they are not in front of your amp.

[+BroNNoS+]

What is the best expression pedal to use with this? I have no personal preferrence just want ease of interface... I WILL adapt!

I'm not sure if they the best (if there is even such a thing as 'the best"), but I am very happy with my 2 Boss FV500.
But TC now has the V1 & X1 so maybe you should take a look at that.

[gbtommasi]

I wanted to know if anyone is or has had problems with their pedals in the loops of the G-System. I currently have the following pedals in the loops:

1. Ibanez Tube Screamer (Modded.)
2. Xotic AC Booser
3. Fulltone OCD v3
4. AMT California Pedal

These pedals sound great running direct into the front of the amp however when I place them in th loops the sound of the pedals change. Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Daniel

i guess you have to set the loops level correctly. I did not notice any audible change in the sound of my pedals when i put them in the g-sys loops.
I did the following: played with one pedal straight into the amp, then in the g-sys, adjusted the level, then again straight, then in the g-sys, adjusted the level again and it was ok.
I don't know if this is your problem, hope it helps though

[kevin_jazz]

Well, I know you didn't actually direct this question to me, but being somwone who has a laptop at the heart of my rig, I thought I'd explain how I use it:

I have a setup where I use the digital out of the g system (after effects loops: EHX Hog, TIM pedal, Analogman Comprossor) into a MOTU Traveler. I use Ableton Live on a Macbook Pro to run effects, layer loops, trigger samples etc. which is controlled by a Behringer FCB1010 MIDI pedal. The output of the MOTU goes to a stereo guitar amp setup.

For me, this setup is amazingly powerful; virtually anything is possible and with next to no latency I can get just about any sound I want...
The G System is great for classic effects, but for everything else, you can't beat the limitless possibilities of plugins...

Hope this makes sense...

Tim.

Hi Tim,

I'm listening to your "respire" cut whilst typing this. Very nice stuff! I really like the ambient sounds you are getting--and your not even using an Eventide! I'd like to understand your set-up in more detail...

guitar-->G-system (w/analog pedals)-->spidf-->MOTU-->MacBook-->MOTU-->sterero amps

Is the signal path right?

Is the G-system rackmounted? You have two control boards, the G-system and the FCB1010. Are you controlling the G-system board with the FCB1010? Or is it the other way around?

I have Ableton Live, Reason, and Logic Pro. I've used all 3 for recording but I haven't figured out how to integrate them with the G-system.

At one point, I developed a series of complex environments to control Logic Pro in a live context, similar to John McLaughlin. Logic sounds awesome, even the Amp simulator, but the pain of integration was too much. I also have a VG-88, but I could never get good distorted tones. So, I purchased a Mesa Express 5:50, which I love.

I've switched to a more "traditional" set-up with the G-system and the Mesa, but would enjoy integrating the computer back in.

Is the ambient stuff all done with the effects in Live? Are you doing it real time or with pre-recorded loops?

Thanks!

Kevin

[andy_i]

I think I shall take the plunge and by a G Sys tomorrow. With all of the users here...Page 72 of the posts... Nobody talks ths long about something crappy!!

What is the best expression pedal to use with this? I have no personal preferrence just want ease of interface... I WILL adapt!

I've been using the Boss FV500H with no problems - nice and solid too. As a caveat though: this is my first time really utilising expresasion pedals, so I don't really have anything to compare it against.

HTH

Andy

Parker Fly 93 Deluxe, Parker Fly 05 Mojo, Takamine Nylon String, Yamaha Silent Gtr, Taylor 614 ce, Ovation Mandolin mm68, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster head + rectifier 4x12, TC Electronic G-system, TC Electronic Vintage Overdrive, Carl Martin Heavy Drive, NI Guitar rig run off MOTU Ultralite & Sony Vaio sz450n, Trace Acoustic TA100R, Little Lehle stereo switcher, Lehle P-split, Boss TU-2, live system runs stereo (L-ac piezos | R - elec pickups) | http://www.myspace.com/andyinnes

[kevin_jazz]

Hi Kevin

I'm using the NI Rig on Loop 2 as a manual add on for some of the interesting swells and time and seq. based FX in Guitar Rig. Obviously I don't use the Guitar Rig overdrives, as I get those from my Boogie head, and occasionally from the Pedals.

Setup (with 4-cable method) goes G-system Loop 2 send --> MOTU Ultralite in 1 --> Guitar Rig --> Motu Ultralite out mono --> G sys Loop 2 Return.

HTH

Andy


Hi Andy,

I'm using the 4-cable method as well, I think (DSP sections separated between preamp and poweramp). Are you changing any of the presets on the NI guitar rig with the G-system? The approach you describe for the sounds appears similar to the capabilities of the Adrenalinn box, which may be my next box for the loop. It has amazing beat-sync'd effects and can be controlled by the G-system.

Also, are any of the tunes mentioned on myspace using the G-system and NI-rig? If so, it would be great to hear how you are using them for the soounds! The chorused guitar arpeggio sounds like it could come from the "golden ratio" chorus.

Thanks,

Kevin

[thedeadsea]

Hi Tim,

I'm listening to your "respire" cut whilst typing this. Very nice stuff! I really like the ambient sounds you are getting--and your not even using an Eventide! I'd like to understand your set-up in more detail...

guitar-->G-system (w/analog pedals)-->spidf-->MOTU-->MacBook-->MOTU-->sterero amps

Is the signal path right?

Is the G-system rackmounted? You have two control boards, the G-system and the FCB1010. Are you controlling the G-system board with the FCB1010? Or is it the other way around?

I have Ableton Live, Reason, and Logic Pro. I've used all 3 for recording but I haven't figured out how to integrate them with the G-system.

At one point, I developed a series of complex environments to control Logic Pro in a live context, similar to John McLaughlin. Logic sounds awesome, even the Amp simulator, but the pain of integration was too much. I also have a VG-88, but I could never get good distorted tones. So, I purchased a Mesa Express 5:50, which I love.

I've switched to a more "traditional" set-up with the G-system and the Mesa, but would enjoy integrating the computer back in.

Is the ambient stuff all done with the effects in Live? Are you doing it real time or with pre-recorded loops?

Thanks!

Kevin

Hey Kevin,

Yep - that's the signal chain I'm running. I don't have the G System rack mounted; I have it mounted on a quite large (and heavy!) pedalboard with the Hog, Tim and Comprossor.
At the moment the FCB1010 controls Live and there's no MIDI communication to the G System. This is primarily because as of the current software there are just too many problems with the G System MIDI implementation. I tried to get MIDI clock happening to control delay times etc. within the G System and it just doesn't work - tech support have humbly verified this fact!!!

The main sound you can hear in "respire" is a combination of pitch shift sounds from the EHX HOG through delays and compression on the G System and then more delays, reverb and limiting via plugins in Ableton Live. In the middle section there are two samples that are triggered via MIDI keyboard live (bass synth and manipulated shakuhachi sample). It's all realtime - I once had to to perform it solo in which case I just triggered the synth/samples as MIDI clips from the FCB1010.

It's kind of getting off the topic but as you say Logic is fantastic for sounds, but for me just not workable in a live MIDI setup. Live is currently the only way to go in my opinion - everything is MIDI controllable, the software is stable and "live sets" launch within a few seconds... all of which are huge factors for me when performing live. Hope that helps??

Tim.

[andy_i]

Hi Andy,

I'm using the 4-cable method as well, I think (DSP sections separated between preamp and poweramp). Are you changing any of the presets on the NI guitar rig with the G-system? The approach you describe for the sounds appears similar to the capabilities of the Adrenalinn box, which may be my next box for the loop. It has amazing beat-sync'd effects and can be controlled by the G-system.

Also, are any of the tunes mentioned on myspace using the G-system and NI-rig? If so, it would be great to hear how you are using them for the soounds! The chorused guitar arpeggio sounds like it could come from the "golden ratio" chorus.

Thanks,

Kevin

I'm not controlling Guitar Rig via the G - haven't got that deeply into the G's midi capabilities yet. I just have three or four settings that I change manually on the notebook.

All the myspace recordings came before my G-system. I think the Chorus you're referring to on Low Flyer was a smattering of Boss CE3 on the centre channel Guitar, then I replayed the part 2 more times, panning left and right 80 with a touch of Sonitus modulation.

A

Parker Fly 93 Deluxe, Parker Fly 05 Mojo, Takamine Nylon String, Yamaha Silent Gtr, Taylor 614 ce, Ovation Mandolin mm68, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster head + rectifier 4x12, TC Electronic G-system, TC Electronic Vintage Overdrive, Carl Martin Heavy Drive, NI Guitar rig run off MOTU Ultralite & Sony Vaio sz450n, Trace Acoustic TA100R, Little Lehle stereo switcher, Lehle P-split, Boss TU-2, live system runs stereo (L-ac piezos | R - elec pickups) | http://www.myspace.com/andyinnes

[sixstringmonk]

I'm interesting in hearing if any of you laptoppers have gotten the patch changes the reverse way - changing g-system patches automatically with the laptop/sequencer.

[andy_i]

Well, I've ordered the CFX4 to control the boogie from the G-system. I'll pick it up at our Quebec show hopefully. I'll let you know how that works out for me.

A

Parker Fly 93 Deluxe, Parker Fly 05 Mojo, Takamine Nylon String, Yamaha Silent Gtr, Taylor 614 ce, Ovation Mandolin mm68, Mesa Boogie Dual Rectifier Roadster head + rectifier 4x12, TC Electronic G-system, TC Electronic Vintage Overdrive, Carl Martin Heavy Drive, NI Guitar rig run off MOTU Ultralite & Sony Vaio sz450n, Trace Acoustic TA100R, Little Lehle stereo switcher, Lehle P-split, Boss TU-2, live system runs stereo (L-ac piezos | R - elec pickups) | http://www.myspace.com/andyinnes

[Kborg]

gfhj

[kevin_jazz]

Hey Kevin,

The main sound you can hear in "respire" is a combination of pitch shift sounds from the EHX HOG through delays and compression on the G System and then more delays, reverb and limiting via plugins in Ableton Live. In the middle section there are two samples that are triggered via MIDI keyboard live (bass synth and manipulated shakuhachi sample). It's all realtime - I once had to to perform it solo in which case I just triggered the synth/samples as MIDI clips from the FCB1010.


Tim.

Hey Tim,

I've been trying to build up some ambient-type effects on the G-system. Do you have any G-system-only ambient sounds you would be willing to share with us?

Thanks!

Kevin

[LittleWiggler]

After a few weeks of trying, I have decided the G-System is not for me. Great sounding, but does not work for what I want. It is in the emporium: http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=266041

Thanks

[thedeadsea]

Hey Tim,

I've been trying to build up some ambient-type effects on the G-system. Do you have any G-system-only ambient sounds you would be willing to share with us?

Thanks!

Kevin

Hey Kevin,

Sorry I've been away on tour... The problem is that with my system I don't really have any patches that only utilise the G System's functionality; they're very much linked with effects from plugins running on the computer. So basically as patches on their own, they're not very interesting!! I'm always trying to make patches that only come from the G System, and you'll be the first to know when I manage to make some sounds solely within it!

Cheers,

Tim.

[kevin_jazz]

Hey Kevin,

Sorry I've been away on tour... The problem is that with my system I don't really have any patches that only utilise the G System's functionality; they're very much linked with effects from plugins running on the computer. So basically as patches on their own, they're not very interesting!! I'm always trying to make patches that only come from the G System, and you'll be the first to know when I manage to make some sounds solely within it!

Cheers,

Tim.

Hey Tim,

I was able to fiddle and get an interesting ambient patch. I used a big reverb with about a 7s decay time and a cylinder room. I used a reverse delay as well though I'm not sure if that is the right choice. I think I had the golden ratio chorus on as well. I'm trying to get that pad-type swell effects with the volume pedal. It sounds pretty good though on strings 3 and 4 it can be a bit too overpowering.

However, on strings 1 and 2 I can get almost violin-type tones, which work well with some of the songs.

I'd love to see a photo of your rig with Ableton Live running. Maybe you can snap one on your next tour.

Off-topic, I had a harder time with Live than Logic! When you understand Logic's environment, you can do some really sophisticated MIDI manipulations that Live doesn't have.

Cheers,

Kevin

[Floydpink]

anyone else unhappy with the newer software where there is only a min and max on the volume swell rather than the older software where you had min/ med/max? I'm not digging my volume swell ( the first 3rd has no sound at all.. from heel down)

[kevin_jazz]

I'm using my G-system with the so-called 4-cable method, which uses the preamp from my Mesa Express as an insert. However, for some of the channel combinations I'm finding the output signal level from the Mesa to be fairly different. So, I'm switching channels and the sound drops.

Is there a way to different gains for different channels? Or at least, to change the gain somewhere for different patches. I think the standard levels are all global, right?

Can I define the boost level on a per patch basis?

Kevin

[Tore TC]

Hi Kevin,

You can actually define the output levels on both the Left and Right channel per preset. They're located in the Preset Routing Menu.

You can also define the boost level per preset. Just turn of "Boost Lock" in the utility menu.

[Droptop]

I just saw this thread and at the risk of reading 1097 responses thought I'd cut to the chase and ask how is the tape echo and chorus on the G System? I have a TC Chorus and Fulltone TTE. Is it the same as my TC Chorus and do you get a warm delay or a digital sounding delay?

[Droptop]

Anyone, Anyone, Beuler?

[kevin_jazz]

Hi Kevin,

You can actually define the output levels on both the Left and Right channel per preset. They're located in the Preset Routing Menu.

You can also define the boost level per preset. Just turn of "Boost Lock" in the utility menu.

Hi Tore,

So, I can change the input gain, gain to the 2nd DSP section, and output volume on a per patch basis?

Now, I have two guitars, one with passive pickups and the other active pickups, and the Mesa with 2 channels, each with 2 modes.

You can imagine that I wait eagerly for the software editor to keep track of those variations. I know you guys are having some technical difficulties, I just hope that your management appreciates the importance of that software to your customers and will provide the support you need to complete it.

I absolutely love my Mesa+G-system combination! Thanks for such an innovative product.

Best,

Kevin

[gbtommasi]

I just saw this thread and at the risk of reading 1097 responses thought I'd cut to the chase and ask how is the tape echo and chorus on the G System? I have a TC Chorus and Fulltone TTE. Is it the same as my TC Chorus and do you get a warm delay or a digital sounding delay?

Droptop, i can't say wether G-sys chorus and delays sound exactly like a TC Chorus and a fullton tte (which seems very unlikely, anyway, since the tte is a tube tape echo if my memory supports me).
The only thing i can say is that the chorus is one of the best i have ever heard, and delays are even better. Tape Echo simulation is quite real to my ears, but generally using all delay algorithms it's difficult to notice any 'digital' character, unless you want it. Just my opinion, though

[Grumpy]

I just saw this thread and at the risk of reading 1097 responses thought I'd cut to the chase and ask how is the tape echo and chorus on the G System? I have a TC Chorus and Fulltone TTE. Is it the same as my TC Chorus and do you get a warm delay or a digital sounding delay?
You can make the delays as clean or as warm as you choose. I have a maxon AD900 which sounds very nice, the G sys can sound just as nice if you tweak the delay settings in the appropriate manner. Personally I love the delays on the G sys, I just wish there was modulation! I see that there is modulation on the new Nova delay pedal however????

John

[Droptop]

What brand/model expression and volume pedal do guys recommend in conjunction with the G System?

[nsriley]

I'll have a G-System on Tuesday to start tweeking with my rig. I will be using two expression pedals with it, a Vox wah, and a Digitech Expression Factory. My guess is that you use those before the guitar input on the G unit or can you use those in the expression in jacks?

[trsU2]

I'll have a G-System on Tuesday to start tweeking with my rig. I will be using two expression pedals with it, a Vox wah, and a Digitech Expression Factory. My guess is that you use those before the guitar input on the G unit or can you use those in the expression in jacks?

Firstly, congrats. You'll dig it but it does take a lot of tweaking. For your Vox Wah and Digitech pedal, you'll either have to go directly into them first, then back to the G System's input OR better yet, use them in 2 of the loops and kick them in when wanted or program a preset to have them automatically come on. However, you can only use a total of 5 effects in the loops. I use my Vox wah this way. Problem is I have to run 2 cables back to the 'brain' of the unit, which is in a rack where I believe (guessing) the majority of the guys have it. For your expression pedals, the foot controller only has one input for expression and one for volume. I believe you can run the other exp pedal to the rack.

[markom89]

A G system goes against everything I stand for when it comes to effects, but I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna' have to get one for live use soon :( I started this new gig at a club/restaurant/bar every thursday-sunday and today was my 2nd day playing there (1st day with pedals) and I sounded like shit with pedals that I sound GREAT with at home... except my delay (quicksilver) The other guitarist who was using a POD XT live was SMOKING me tone wise through the PA, going direct. I'm gonna' start researching these alot more, and probably pull the trigger soon. I'm not happy about it, but I think it's needed for live applications. The audience really can't tell a difference, and I'm sure I'd be able to hardly tell. My question to you guys is this: How hard is it to get used to one of these things? I've never used any multi-effects. How do I program the sounds and presets I want? Do I need to do it via computer, or can I do it manually through the unit itself? Any help is appreciated! Cheers. Ciao.

Marko M.

[Grumpy]

A G system goes against everything I stand for when it comes to effects, but I'm pretty sure that I'm gonna' have to get one for live use soon :( I started this new gig at a club/restaurant/bar every thursday-sunday and today was my 2nd day playing there (1st day with pedals) and I sounded like shit with pedals that I sound GREAT with at home... except my delay (quicksilver) The other guitarist who was using a POD XT live was SMOKING me tone wise through the PA, going direct. I'm gonna' start researching these alot more, and probably pull the trigger soon. I'm not happy about it, but I think it's needed for live applications. The audience really can't tell a difference, and I'm sure I'd be able to hardly tell. My question to you guys is this: How hard is it to get used to one of these things? I've never used any multi-effects. How do I program the sounds and presets I want? Do I need to do it via computer, or can I do it manually through the unit itself? Any help is appreciated! Cheers. Ciao.

Marko M.


I think you're a little confused Marko! The G system is not an amp modeller!! and does not have any dist/OD effects at all. It's an integrated effects management system. Basically it has two halves, it uses loops to control your analog pedals in front of your amp and also has a digital-time delay based effects section which deals with delays/chorus etc, you can place this second section either before your amp or in the amps loop.
Why do you need an ethos about creating guitar tone? If it sounds good who cares?? Still if you insist and The G system for some reason goes against whatever it is you believe about effects then don't buy one! In any case, it sounds like you'd be better off with the Pod for what you are describing your issue is at the restaurant gig.
If you wish to explore what the G System does in more detail why not just download the manual at the TC site??

John

[markom89]

John, Thanks for clearing that up! I was under the impression that it was a full out modeller and had ALL sounds (inclduing distortion, OD and fuzz) covered! Guess I was wrong though! I think I might check one out at a local store... I'm also gonna' check out the manual now. I've been reading the reviews over at HC, and it seems 50/50... theres some that are amazing, and some that aren't...

[Grumpy]

John, Thanks for clearing that up! I was under the impression that it was a full out modeller and had ALL sounds (inclduing distortion, OD and fuzz) covered! Guess I was wrong though! I think I might check one out at a local store... I'm also gonna' check out the manual now. I've been reading the reviews over at HC, and it seems 50/50... theres some that are amazing, and some that aren't...

Well I love my G sys! that being said I don't always use it, and no doubt it's not for everyone. if I can get away with plugging straight into a simple non master valve head for a particular job then that's just what I do, why wouldn't you?. Often for me I need to be able to get a wide range of sounds and the G sys is perfect for that. I use 4 of my favourite O/D pedals in the loops and off I go, switching between effects and combinations of pedals with a single tap. It's also very easy to program up on the fly at a gig if you need to tweak things or create a new patch if the situation arises.
The G system is not plug and play though and I doubt you'll get the picture at a store. I'm sure many of those 50/50 reviews you mention at HC are by chaps who either didn't know how to set the thing up levels wise or didn't bother to try properly. Dismissing something simply because it uses Digital technology is just silly! I see a lot of line6 DL4's on the boards of quite a few players of note, and the G sys is miles better than those sound wise!
I don't experience any "tone suckage" either for what it's worth, I'm not sure if some folks imagine this or not? In any case it's a non issue for me.

Cheers John

[paulmapp8306]

From TC and others:

The G System has better quality FX than the G-Major, but not as good as the G-Force.

its the switching system - built in floor pedal - that is the major difference though. It saves buying a seperate floorboard. AND it has 4 loops (for your drive pedlas) and an insert.

You plug your guitar into the g System, put your amp in the insert, your gain pedals in the loops (or any other before amp pedals come to that), and switch in/out what you want.

Its a very good control system and cheaper than the G-Force plus Floor board.

My G-Maj has had it and I cant make up my mind between a G-Force (better and will fit in the same place), a G System (which will mean stripping my floorboard, and thinning out my pedals) or trying a Fractal AXE-FX (really good FX, AND inbuilt amp/speaker sim stuff. If its as good as the hype I could even ditch my amp).

[nsriley]

Firstly, congrats. You'll dig it but it does take a lot of tweaking. For your Vox Wah and Digitech pedal, you'll either have to go directly into them first, then back to the G System's input OR better yet, use them in 2 of the loops and kick them in when wanted or program a preset to have them automatically come on. However, you can only use a total of 5 effects in the loops. I use my Vox wah this way. Problem is I have to run 2 cables back to the 'brain' of the unit, which is in a rack where I believe (guessing) the majority of the guys have it. For your expression pedals, the foot controller only has one input for expression and one for volume. I believe you can run the other exp pedal to the rack.

Thanks for the info! I'm stoked, and my wife will be out fro a few hours tomorrow afternoon, so I can start tweeking and get it setup to my liking! :cool:

[gbtommasi]

From TC and others:

The G System has better quality FX than the G-Major, but not as good as the G-Force.

its the switching system - built in floor pedal - that is the major difference though. It saves buying a seperate floorboard. AND it has 4 loops (for your drive pedlas) and an insert.

You plug your guitar into the g System, put your amp in the insert, your gain pedals in the loops (or any other before amp pedals come to that), and switch in/out what you want.

Its a very good control system and cheaper than the G-Force plus Floor board.

My G-Maj has had it and I cant make up my mind between a G-Force (better and will fit in the same place), a G System (which will mean stripping my floorboard, and thinning out my pedals) or trying a Fractal AXE-FX (really good FX, AND inbuilt amp/speaker sim stuff. If its as good as the hype I could even ditch my amp).

Actually, i compared a G-force and a G-system effects using the same rig, and could not hear any difference between the two, effects-wise.
Moreover, in this thread Tore_TC, who is TC product manager for the g-system, stated that the algorithms used in the G-system are the same used in the g-force, except they have less parameters to tweak, and excepts for wha, filters and compression that have been rewritten, because in the g-system they are placed where they are supposed to be: before preamp and drive section.
So, i don't know who told you that g-system effects quality is worst than g-force, but i don't think it is true.
Just my opinion after trying it :)

[papa taco]

Marko, try one of the Vox Tonelabs. They are surprisingly nice. Probably be perfect for your gig, especially since the other guy is using a POD.

[Droptop]

Is there any way to vary the amount of signal that is being processed by the G System so that you are not 100% Wet all the time? Trying to see if there is a way to preserve your guitar's natural tone/response with your amp.

[nsriley]

So far I love mine!!!!! I've only touched the tip of teh iceberg with it though. I have a lot of editting and learning yet to do. I have read a bunch of the manual, and I see the multiple amp setup, but I guess I have a question maybe someone can answer that uses it. Here's the senerio:

Before I got the G-system I used a two amp setup with a very messy pedal board and an ABY switcher unit. I use two amps(both of which have no effects loops FYI), one is a two channel(clean & overdrive) combo and the other is a single channel Soldano Astroverb I mainly use as high gain sound. But with my ABY unit I used to use either amp and sometimes both for a huge stereo sound. But I rarely used any effects at all with the Soldano. I mainly used the two channel combo with all the effects. I guess my question is, can I hook both amps up to the G-System and have the Soldano basically run 'dry' even if I am using OD's in the loops for the other amp at the same time which would be the 'wet' side of my setup? If so what's the best way? Or would I have to not use OD's on when I would have both amps running. I think I am making this way harder than it is. I have only use the G-system with the clean side of the one combo with excellent results using OD's in the loops. But would eventually like to work the Soldano into the mix as well as a primarily dry OD sound.

I need to send my wife somewhere for a week so I can edit and tweek my setup with this with no interuptions, LOL!!!!!!

[aksman]

Great question above^

here's a basic question since i still dont' own one and i don't see anything in the manual about it:

Is there a volume swell / boss slow gear style effect in this thing? is there some setting that will do it?

...this is along the line of the "what does my pod have that this doesn't" question.

Also, i'm thinking that with the harmony, filters, and a volume swell a fuzz, you could easily have a micro-synth, no?

[nsriley]

Great question above^

here's a basic question since i still dont' own one and i don't see anything in the manual about it:

Is there a volume swell / boss slow gear style effect in this thing? is there some setting that will do it?

...this is along the line of the "what does my pod have that this doesn't" question.

Also, i'm thinking that with the harmony, filters, and a volume swell a fuzz, you could easily have a micro-synth, no?

Thanks. I posted the same question to TC support as well. I was getting some synth like sounds with some settings using the harmony and filters etc. A lot is possible with the effects that are in the unit. Each effect has about 8 parameters you can tweek.

[Droptop]

Is there any way to vary the amount of signal that is being processed by the G System so that you are not 100% Wet all the time? Trying to see if there is a way to preserve your guitar's natural tone/response with your amp.

[nsriley]

Is there any way to vary the amount of signal that is being processed by the G System so that you are not 100% Wet all the time? Trying to see if there is a way to preserve your guitar's natural tone/response with your amp.

Yes every effect has a wet mix level you can set it from 0%-100%. You just have to access each mix level in the edit mode.

[aksman]

So, what's the verdict on the volume-swell?
Does this thing have it/can it do it (and I don't mean with the volume pedal)?

[Droptop]

Yes every effect has a wet mix level you can set it from 0%-100%. You just have to access each mix level in the edit mode.

But even bypassed the processor seems to be affecting the tone somewhat. The solution may be to get a Morley FX Blender and have the G-System in the loop.

[trsU2]

So, what's the verdict on the volume-swell?
Does this thing have it/can it do it (and I don't mean with the volume pedal)?

I don't believe there's a 'volume swell' sound in it but there's a reverse delay that I guess is similar, although I haven't tweaked with it much.

[aksman]

So this thing doesn't have a volume swell OR a rotary speaker?

I'm surprised since they are pretty standard fare in most mulit-effect units...

Any chance they will add them to this??? (Tore?) and did they give up on the editor?

[supersecretjim]

Its never even been hinted at (whats being included in the next update).

It would be nice to at least know whats coming. So many people are waiting for this update & it would be really disappointing if TC didnt include something really cool like the rotary sim that everyone seems to want so much, or some other cool effect, etc...

Supposedly, from what Tore said a while ago, the update is done. TC is just waiting to iron out the long overdue (its even in the TC G-System sales literature) software editor.

It was suggested by a very wise G-System user, (OK, it was me) to Tore to just release the update without the editor, & he seemed hip to the idea, but I guess it was shot down by the powers that be.

[supersecretjim]

If any of you can answer this, it would be great. Sorta off topic, but sorta not....

I stumbled onto a deal for a G-force (in extremely good shape) for $300.00 USD.

Can my G-system control & change patches on the G-force?

This would enable me to have two of the same effects groups at the same time. The G-System has the midi stuff in it, but Im not very versed in midi implementation.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks!

[markom89]

I was just wondering (since I'm seriously considering getting one now)... How does one go about attaching something of this size to a pedalboard?... Just lots of velcro, or does it come with something?

[trsU2]

I was just wondering (since I'm seriously considering getting one now)... How does one go about attaching something of this size to a pedalboard?... Just lots of velcro, or does it come with something?

I think it's too heavy to attach to a pedal board with velcro plus the edges are probably too thin to make a strong connection. There are 4 screw holes underneath the unit in which you could attach suitable screws. You'd have to drill a hole through a board of some sort (wood probably easiest).

Cases are important too. I've been searching for one for months and can't seem to decide on the best one. I believe there's only one company (foreign) that makes a case specifically for it but it's pricey.

[orangenoise]

I attached mine to a regular pedalboard/case using the four screw holes on the bottom of the controller. Worked great. No need for a specialized case... any pedalboard/case out there will work fine.

http://www.tamos.net/~rbriggs/orange/image_4.JPG

[orangenoise]

Oh and a quickie idea that I used to line things up, before drilling the screws holes through your pedalboard...

Put the screws in the bottom of the controller with about an inch or so of the screw hanging out. Then take the controller, with screws inserted, and set it down on the pedalboard. Move it around until it's exactly where you want it. Now, take some baking powder, salt, white powder (not cocaine... lol) and sprinkle it around each screw. Carefully remove the controller now and viola... you have outlines where you need to make your drill holes. Ah fun!

-rob

[keychange]

I bought a case off ebay from these folks and it has worked out great for me. I am not an employee there, just a happy customer trying to save a few people the search I went through :)

http://stores.ebay.ca/Angstrom-Cases

[sixstringmonk]

I bought a case off ebay from these folks and it has worked out great for me. I am not an employee there, just a happy customer trying to save a few people the search I went through :)

http://stores.ebay.ca/Angstrom-Cases

That's who I got my case from as well. The quality is great. If I could to it all over again, I'd get the wheel option.

[Tom-Andrew]

I guess my question is, can I hook both amps up to the G-System and have the Soldano basically run 'dry' even if I am using OD's in the loops for the other amp at the same time which would be the 'wet' side of my setup? If so what's the best way? Or would I have to not use OD's on when I would have both amps running. I think I am making this way harder than it is. I have only use the G-system with the clean side of the one combo with excellent results using OD's in the loops. But would eventually like to work the Soldano into the mix as well as a primarily dry OD sound.

I need to send my wife somewhere for a week so I can edit and tweek my setup with this with no interuptions, LOL!!!!!!I just got my G-System last friday after having had my eyes on it for quite a while. I finally just went to a store and bought it... Haven't had the time yet to tweak everything, but I'm getting there... BTW, my girlfriend is away for a week, so I guess it's tweak-week! :rolleyes:

Now, to answer your question;
I remember reading about your scenario in the manual or in this thread (yes, I have read every post...) and it is possible.
I actually tried it a couple of minutes ago (it's past midnight in Sweden -- woops :cool:) and it works like a charm!

The trick is that all the loops allways send, but they only return signal into the G-System if you feed it back to the loop's respective return. You can use any of the loops to feed your Soldano to make it your dry amp.
Notice how the loops 1->4->Insert all are in series, that means you can put any pedal in one of the loops before the one feeding the Soldano, being able to use it for both amps! If you don't want any "shared" pedals, feed the send of loop 1 to your Soldano and use the other loops for pedals to the wet setup.

Hope you get it working the way you want it to!

Cheers from Stockholm, Sweden!
/Tom-Andrew

[ryanformato]

Quick thought. I need to know if my thinking is right. The G-system can also be used as an "attenuator." I am running my G-system using the 4 cables method and I used to run the output at max and then raise and lower the volume using my marshall master volume.

NOW, I am maxing out my master volume on my jcm 800 (to get most tube saturation) and am lowering/raising volume using my G-system. Does this make sense to do? Anything wrong with doing this?

[Tom-Andrew]

Quick thought. I need to know if my thinking is right. The G-system can also be used as an "attenuator." I am running my G-system using the 4 cables method and I used to run the output at max and then raise and lower the volume using my marshall master volume.

NOW, I am maxing out my master volume on my jcm 800 (to get most tube saturation) and am lowering/raising volume using my G-system. Does this make sense to do? Anything wrong with doing this?
I'd say if it sounds good, there ain't nothing wrong with doing it!:AOK

It's just another way of controlling the volume, however with even more control at the touch of a switch. Go for it!

[+BroNNoS+]

NOW, I am maxing out my master volume on my jcm 800 (to get most tube saturation) and am lowering/raising volume using my G-system. Does this make sense to do? Anything wrong with doing this?
Probably nothing wrong with this setup, but I think that you will not get more tube distortion out of it, because your the input level on the end tubes will still be low (controlled by the G-System). To get end tube distortion you need high level input on the end tubes and lower the volume after that (like a speaker load)..
And you probably increase the amount of hiss by maxing out the master..
But as stated before, try and if you like it...use it :)

[nsriley]

I just got my G-System last friday after having had my eyes on it for quite a while. I finally just went to a store and bought it... Haven't had the time yet to tweak everything, but I'm getting there... BTW, my girlfriend is away for a week, so I guess it's tweak-week! :rolleyes:

Now, to answer your question;
I remember reading about your scenario in the manual or in this thread (yes, I have read every post...) and it is possible.
I actually tried it a couple of minutes ago (it's past midnight in Sweden -- woops :cool:) and it works like a charm!

The trick is that all the loops allways send, but they only return signal into the G-System if you feed it back to the loop's respective return. You can use any of the loops to feed your Soldano to make it your dry amp.
Notice how the loops 1->4->Insert all are in series, that means you can put any pedal in one of the loops before the one feeding the Soldano, being able to use it for both amps! If you don't want any "shared" pedals, feed the send of loop 1 to your Soldano and use the other loops for pedals to the wet setup.

Hope you get it working the way you want it to!

Cheers from Stockholm, Sweden!
/Tom-Andrew

Oh ok I never thought of it that way. I could use it in the #1 loop slot then. But say I have reverbs and delays etc on, wouldn't that loop be effected?

[nsriley]

Oh ok I never thought of it that way. I could use it in the 1 loop slot then. But say I have reverbs and delays etc on, wouldn't that loop be effected?

Nevermind......before I had my coffee.....LOL.......the dry signal outta Loop #1 send would be the only thing hitting my Soldano.....so if I had on the compressor or a filter, nothing else would effect that loop send. SWEET! I can get rid of my ABY then! :dude Next a stereo cable to so I can use the G-system to switch channel on the other amp. :) I can't wait to start programming presets! :dude

[aksman]

Its never even been hinted at (whats being included in the next update).

It would be nice to at least know whats coming. So many people are waiting for this update & it would be really disappointing if TC didnt include something really cool like the rotary sim that everyone seems to want so much, or some other cool effect, etc...

Supposedly, from what Tore said a while ago, the update is done. TC is just waiting to iron out the long overdue (its even in the TC G-System sales literature) software editor.

It was suggested by a very wise G-System user, (OK, it was me) to Tore to just release the update without the editor, & he seemed hip to the idea, but I guess it was shot down by the powers that be.

agreed!

[Proteus]

I saw that Sweetwater is already selling the V-1 and X-1 for 129.9 9each. I scored i pass for the summer Namm in Austin this weekend and will let you guys know of any TC updates I find.

[nsriley]

I just got my G-System last friday after having had my eyes on it for quite a while. I finally just went to a store and bought it... Haven't had the time yet to tweak everything, but I'm getting there... BTW, my girlfriend is away for a week, so I guess it's tweak-week! :rolleyes:

Now, to answer your question;
I remember reading about your scenario in the manual or in this thread (yes, I have read every post...) and it is possible.
I actually tried it a couple of minutes ago (it's past midnight in Sweden -- woops :cool:) and it works like a charm!

The trick is that all the loops allways send, but they only return signal into the G-System if you feed it back to the loop's respective return. You can use any of the loops to feed your Soldano to make it your dry amp.
Notice how the loops 1->4->Insert all are in series, that means you can put any pedal in one of the loops before the one feeding the Soldano, being able to use it for both amps! If you don't want any "shared" pedals, feed the send of loop 1 to your Soldano and use the other loops for pedals to the wet setup.

Hope you get it working the way you want it to!

Cheers from Stockholm, Sweden!
/Tom-Andrew

Yup it does work great for feeding the Soldano dry constantly, but you can't switch the Soldano in and out of the chain, which is what I want to do. Sometimes I want it on and sometimes I don't. Unless I'm missing something I think I'll just have to use my ABY unit infront of the G-system

[johnrea_77]

I tried the heavy-duty velcro approach as well with no luck Then I purchased these slide latches from Pegasus Auto Racing Supplies:

http://home.twcny.rr.com/jreaume1/images/G_system_att2.jpghttp://home.twcny.rr.com/jreaume1/images/G_system._att2.jpg

Now I have no issues with the G-System loosening up. I used 4mm screws to slide into the keyhole slot and attach the ferrules for the slide latches. The fasteners are secured to the board with machine screws and acorn nuts on the bottom. The other pedals in the effects loops are standard velcro.


http://home.twcny.rr.com/jreaume1/images/G_system_att1.jpg

[aksman]

TONY or anyone:

is there a "master list for writing down effects on the g-system forum http://tcgpage.com/index.php ?

I wanted to go through my favorite Pod settings and see what I can replicate on the g-system before I pull the trigger on it for a grand more.

[Tom-Andrew]

Yup it does work great for feeding the Soldano dry constantly, but you can't switch the Soldano in and out of the chain, which is what I want to do. Sometimes I want it on and sometimes I don't. Unless I'm missing something I think I'll just have to use my ABY unit infront of the G-system
OK. Too bad.:mad:
Guess I didn't try switching the loop/dry amp feed on and off, but actually it makes sense since the sends are always on...
Seems you're left with that ABY anyway. Sorry!

Hmm... How about some kind of midi-switched ABY-box? That should do it! Lehle or Nobels, maybe?

The main reason I went with the G-System is cause I don't want to have to step on multiple switches to change sounds, so I understand your problem quite well...

Good luck with whatever route you choose!

[nsriley]

OK. Too bad.:mad:
Guess I didn't try switching the loop/dry amp feed on and off, but actually it makes sense since the sends are always on...
Seems you're left with that ABY anyway. Sorry!

Hmm... How about some kind of midi-switched ABY-box? That should do it! Lehle or Nobels, maybe?

The main reason I went with the G-System is cause I don't want to have to step on multiple switches to change sounds, so I understand your problem quite well...

Good luck with whatever route you choose!

I think something like this would work via midi from the G-System. http://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?country=us&lang=en&A_Link=products

It's pricey though. :(

[Tom-Andrew]

I think something like this would work via midi from the G-System. http://www.lehle.com/frameset.php?country=us&lang=en&A_Link=products

It's pricey though. :(Yup, that's exactly the stuff I was thinking about!
It's pricey but great quality gear.

Another choice might be the Sound Sculpture ABCadabra; http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/pt_abcadabra.htm
It's a midi-controlled A/B/Y-box. I know Peter Thorn (sinasl1 on TGP) uses one in his tour rig with Chris Cornell, along with the G-System, and as I've gathered from his posts he seems happy about it. It's $153 if you buy it directly from Sound Sculpture. At least a bit less expensive than the Lehle stuff.

Still, it sucks pretty bad having to buy additional gear to go with your allready quite pricey G-System. Currently I'm waiting for a case for my G-System, along with a 5 unit rack case and a variety of cables from one company and a couple of rack shelves from another company... GAS is an OCD... Speaking of which, wouldn't it be nice with one of those as well... Gaahh.... Will it ever stop?!!?!?:rolleyes:

[nsriley]

Yup, that's exactly the stuff I was thinking about!
It's pricey but great quality gear.

Another choice might be the Sound Sculpture ABCadabra; http://www.soundsculpture.com/products/pt_abcadabra.htm
It's a midi-controlled A/B/Y-box. I know Peter Thorn (sinasl1 on TGP) uses one in his tour rig with Chris Cornell, along with the G-System, and as I've gathered from his posts he seems happy about it. It's $153 if you buy it directly from Sound Sculpture. At least a bit less expensive than the Lehle stuff.

Still, it sucks pretty bad having to buy additional gear to go with your allready quite pricey G-System. Currently I'm waiting for a case for my G-System, along with a 5 unit rack case and a variety of cables from one company and a couple of rack shelves from another company... GAS is an OCD... Speaking of which, wouldn't it be nice with one of those as well... Gaahh.... Will it ever stop?!!?!?:rolleyes:

Thanks for the info! You've been great help! I actually just bit the bullet and bought a Lehle Dual, the newest version with Midi capability. I chose it so I can possibly add a 3 amp into my mix, and control the Dual's switching anyway I want with the G-system's midi controls. This G-system is killing my budget, but I will be offing a lot of pedals I don't need now, which will help a lot. I thought about a small rack too, for the four pedals i use in the loop, the Lehle, and the guts of the G-system. GAS!!! :rotflmao

[Tom-Andrew]

Thanks for the info! You've been great help! I actually just bit the bullet and bought a Lehle Dual, the newest version with Midi capability. I chose it so I can possibly add a 3 amp into my mix, and control the Dual's switching anyway I want with the G-system's midi controls. This G-system is killing my budget, but I will be offing a lot of pedals I don't need now, which will help a lot. I thought about a small rack too, for the four pedals i use in the loop, the Lehle, and the guts of the G-system. GAS!!! :rotflmao
The Lehle Dual sure looks like a good choice! Especially if you ever get tired of running everything with the G-System... ;)
Just kidding!

I'm also thinking of selling some of my old stuff after getting the G-System. However, my little pedalboard (wah, tuner, phaser, delay and a couple of od/dist. pedals) just sat there looking simple and pretty so I'm thinking of keeping a few pedals just in case...:rolleyes:

We'll see! Now back to programming patches for those last few songs!

[Proteus]

Well Last night I decided to remove the GX01 from the G system and try the rack route. So I went out and bought a 14ft cat 5e cable, turned on the G and the only thing that lit up was the green screen but no writing. So I unplugged it and tried the orginal cable and same thing occured. Shit!! I thought so I unscrewed the GX01 from the rack and the pieces together like it was originally with the original cable and all the sudden it works again. Wierd!!! In the same position I tried it with the new cat 5 cable and it worked too. Slowly I screwed it back into the rack and it was fine.

Has this happened to anyone else using the the rack?

[Blues123]

Hi,
Anyone using the G-Sytem with an Engl Screamer Combo?
Does it work out OK with the four cable method (using the preamp in the insert)?
Many thanks

[Proteus]

FYI- If anyone is having problems finding a XLR housed cat 5 cable, the Line 6 Variax digital cable works great.

[jhbpa]

I just got my G-System last friday after having had my eyes on it for quite a while. I finally just went to a store and bought it... Haven't had the time yet to tweak everything, but I'm getting there... BTW, my girlfriend is away for a week, so I guess it's tweak-week! :rolleyes:

Now, to answer your question;
I remember reading about your scenario in the manual or in this thread (yes, I have read every post...) and it is possible.
I actually tried it a couple of minutes ago (it's past midnight in Sweden -- woops :cool:) and it works like a charm!

The trick is that all the loops allways send, but they only return signal into the G-System if you feed it back to the loop's respective return. You can use any of the loops to feed your Soldano to make it your dry amp.
Notice how the loops 1->4->Insert all are in series, that means you can put any pedal in one of the loops before the one feeding the Soldano, being able to use it for both amps! If you don't want any "shared" pedals, feed the send of loop 1 to your Soldano and use the other loops for pedals to the wet setup.

Hope you get it working the way you want it to!

Cheers from Stockholm, Sweden!
/Tom-Andrew

That's true but I believe the signal still goes through G-Systems A/D and D/A converters so it's still not just analog pedals and your guitar.

[danel59]

I was just on TC's website and I saw a listing for v1.5 but when I opened the page to read more it wouldn't let me in. Anybody else?

Dan

[danel59]

I was just on TC's website and I saw a listing for v1.5 but when I opened the page to read more it wouldn't let me in. Anybody else?

Dan

Sorry about that guys I had just fired up my old lap top that didn't have a battery in it so of course the date was old and I was reading 1.5 and beiing excited about new software updates I read it wrong when it was actually 1.05

Sory again for creating false excitement now back to my abacus

Dan

[nsriley]

Sorry about that guys I had just fired up my old lap top that didn't have a battery in it so of course the date was old and I was reading 1.5 and beiing excited about new software updates I read it wrong when it was actually 1.05

Sory again for creating false excitement now back to my abacus

Dan

I thought the latest was version 2.01, that's what's loaded on mine.

[Ikarus]

Howdy fellow g-system users. I am a new g-system user and i have some questions. Im using a Mesa Lonestar Special head and cab and i was wondering if there are any other Lonestar + g-system users out there who could help me? I want to use both channels on the Lonestar but when i plugged my g-system into the send/return and turned on the drive channel(channel 2) there was no drive. Please can anyone help me figure out how to integrate these two beautiful machines together?

Many thanks

[Ikarus]

p.s. the g-system rocks :D

[davec69]

Welcome Ikarus. You probably need to turn on your insert loop on your G-System. Without it, you only get the direct sound from your amp.

On the G-system, hit edit then scroll till you see "Loops", then hit "Enter" and scroll until you see "Insert Loop". Make sure it is "On" then save the patch.

If you want to keep it on all the time, for every patch (you probably do), then hit Edit, then menu, and go into utlities and turn your "Insert Lock" on. Once on, the insert loop will stay on anytime you change patches.

[Ikarus]

Welcome Ikarus. You probably need to turn on your insert loop on your G-System. Without it, you only get the direct sound from your amp.

On the G-system, hit edit then scroll till you see "Loops", then hit "Enter" and scroll until you see "Insert Loop". Make sure it is "On" then save the patch.

If you want to keep it on all the time, for every patch (you probably do), then hit Edit, then menu, and go into utlities and turn your "Insert Lock" on. Once on, the insert loop will stay on anytime you change patches.

Doh, I forgot to save the patch, ofcourse hehe. Thanks davec69.

Does anyone know the parameters for relay switching with a Lonestar Special head?

I'm using a boss bluesdrive stomp pedal, i'd like to know how people like that drive pedal and what drive pedals do you guys recommend? I'm looking for a at-thedrivein, sparta, Mars Volta, od sound.

[andy_i]

Doh, I forgot to save the patch, ofcourse hehe. Thanks davec69.

Does anyone know the parameters for relay switching with a Lonestar Special head?

I'm using a boss bluesdrive stomp pedal, i'd like to know how people like that drive pedal and what drive pedals do you guys recommend? I'm looking for a at-thedrivein, sparta, Mars Volta, od sound.

Be careful with Boogies. I just bought a cfx-4 midi switcher for my Roadster head because the G-sys switches might short the boogie.

A

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[davec69]

I've heard this story before about the G-System relay switching causing damage to the MKIV. (usually from someone who just purchased An Axess product. No offense Andy)

Has anybody actually had their MKIV damaged? What kind of damage did it cause? According to Boogie, the G-System was designed for relay switching of amps like the MKIV. Assuming everything is set up correctly, of course.

I've used the relay switching in my G-system to control my MkIV since I purchased it, and I've never had a problem.

Maybe I'm just lucky?

[andy_i]

I've heard this story before about the G-System relay switching causing damage to the MKIV. (usually from someone who just purchased An Axess product. No offense Andy)

Has anybody actually had their MKIV damaged? What kind of damage did it cause? According to Boogie, the G-System was designed for relay switching of amps like the MKIV. Assuming everything is set up correctly, of course.

I've used the relay switching in my G-system to control my MkIV since I purchased it, and I've never had a problem.

Maybe I'm just lucky?

My understanding is that Boogie tech support claim the wiring can't work using stereo cables for Dual recto / Roadster / Road King heads because of the grounding and have warned against trying. I believe it's fine for a MkIV - not sure where the Lonestar head sits in all of this - you might wanna try boogie tech support.

A

[Sadhaka]

Check out this link from the TC Electronic support pages:

http://tcsupport.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/tcsupport.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1766&p_created=1129539134&p_sid=mWFqDrIi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9MiZwX3Byb2RzPTAmcF9jYXRzPTAmcF9wdj0mcF9 jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX 3NjZl9hY2Nlc3NfbGV2ZWxfaWQ9fnVzZXJfYWNjZXNzfiZwX3B hZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PWxvbmUgc3Rhcg**&p_li=&p_topview=1

It talks about the newer Boogie amps including the Lone Star (The best amp in the World :AOK)

[DrRedD]

Hi All,

I've been away for a while and been trying to go through the thread with regards to this update we were going to get.

It's been ages now and i can't see anything saying anything about the release date.

Does anybody have any idea what's going on?

Thanks

DrRedD

[supersecretjim]

TC doesnt even know whats going on.

[aksman]

Which expression pedals work with the G-System, which work best, and which don't?

I figure there's this list:
TC Electronic
Ernie Ball 6181 VP Jr. (low impedence 25k)
M-audio Expression Pedal
Alesis F2
Roland EV5
Roland EV7
Line 6 EX1
Yamaha FC7
Zoom FP02
Boss FV500H
Boss FV500L
Boss FV50H
Boss FV50L
Korg XVP10
DOD FX17 Wah/Volume
Moog Expression pedal
Visual Sound Visual Volume
Behringer FCV100
VOX Volume pedal?
Dunlop Volume pedal?
Morley Volume pedal?
(One with a lower impedence pot if the make them?)

[sixstringmonk]

I'm using a EB 6166 with a mono cable as the expression without problem.

[aksman]

Bumping this thread and my question about expression pedals, which is also found here:
http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=278274



And the quesiton about adding a 5th or 6th bypass loop here:
Any experience? will any of these work? what'll be cheapest, smallest, and/or best?
-Nobles Alex-1
-Nobles Loop-Master
-Soundsculpture ABCadabra
-Axcess Electronics grx4
-Lehle 1at3 SGoS
-Lehle D.Loop SGoS
-Radial Tonebone Master Loop Controller

[jelyfinger]

Hey everyone!

Just got a G System, 2.01 software and did a reset on it. Now my boost only goes to 2db where it went to 6db before the reset. Any ideas? Thanks

[RichM]

Hi Ikarus,

I'm using a g-system with a lonestar special 1x12 combo. channel switching is working fine after a few minor teething problems...Did you get your issues resolved?

[Ikarus]

Hi Ikarus,

I'm using a g-system with a lonestar special 1x12 combo. channel switching is working fine after a few minor teething problems...Did you get your issues resolved?

Yeb, I just used the the jack cord that came with the Lonestar head for the channel and solo switching, plugged into the relay inserts, found the relay parameters, turned the knobs on the g-system a few times(just followed the manual) and presto works like a charm. Couldn't be happier.

[RichM]

good to hear.

did you find that the g-system automatically routed all the factory presets via the lonestar's dirty channel? I did...Just means that I to copy the preset patch to a spare user preset before i can hear it with the clean channel. a bit annoying

[Ed DeGenaro]

In an effort to minimize set-up and general Murphy's Law headaches I decided to simplify the set-up I use for gigs where there won't be time for any trouble shooting should something go down. I was playing with the idea of getting a TC G-System since they came out, but everybody and their brother seem to have made it a point to offer unsolicited advise. I decided to cruise some forums and if I had any sense I would not have gotten it, seeing that it really seems to be a POS according to some respected internet guitar gurus. :) Well I don't do sense so of course I got one. Spent about 15 minutes figuring out the routing on Friday, took it to the gig ran it with the Mesa T-verb and a MI Audio Crunch Box and BBDlx, Tweaked some presets right before the gig and it rocked. Use it all day yesterday and today with the Country band and I'm really happy with it. It essentially does what my rack with the TC and Eventide stuff and all the pedals does. Always good to have redundant stuff. And all I need is to plug in into the Mesa's front, channel selector and loop and plug the wireless in front and I'm good to go. Love it, Sidenote...I love the complaints about the AD/DA converters latency and the tone suckage of it. Well, I get way more latency from walking 10 feet away from my amp.

[ryanformato]

With the G-system, 99% of the tone suckage comes from people who either

A) Never used the unit, hears it is digital, and wants to complain, OR
B) Never set it up correctly (didn't set the boost right or doesn't understand what the boost is doing).

The internet is good for information, but you also have to just try and go on your own as well.

[Ed DeGenaro]

With the G-system, 99% of the tone suckage comes from people who either

A) Never used the unit, hears it is digital, and wants to complain, OR
B) Never set it up correctly (didn't set the boost right or doesn't understand what the boost is doing).

The internet is good for information, but you also have to just try and go on your own as well.Makes sense...

[philipnz]

Recently got a G-System to partner my Einstein. I love it.

[gbtommasi]

With the G-system, 99% of the tone suckage comes from people who either

A) Never used the unit, hears it is digital, and wants to complain, OR
B) Never set it up correctly (didn't set the boost right or doesn't understand what the boost is doing).

The internet is good for information, but you also have to just try and go on your own as well.

agreed

[quiksilver98]

My G-system sounds AWESOME! I got a vid for you guys, as soon as it's uploaded Ill post the link.

[quiksilver98]

Here it is. http://youtube.com/watch?v=QLrrmLHhbmU

[jelyfinger]

Hey Guys,

Can someone tell me where in the menu you can control the individual volume of each preset? I can't seem to find it anywhere. Thanks in advance!

[Tore TC]

Hi Jelyfinger,

The L & R output level parameters are located in the routing menu. They can be set on a preset basis.

[Tom-Andrew]

Hi Jelyfinger,

The L & R output level parameters are located in the routing menu. They can be set on a preset basis.Hey Tore,

Don't mean to bug you or anything, but any news on the updates/software editor?

And thanks for hanging out here helping us out! Great service!

Cheers!
/Tom-Andrew

[Tore TC]

Hi Tom-Andrew,

I really really wish I could give you an exact date and am very eager to get both the update and editor out, but based on previous experience and the number of times I've told you guys that the editor is almost ready only to let you down, I don't want to promise you anything before I absolutely know for sure that I can keep it. We're working really hard to get the editor ready and a big part of the delay is because we want it working on both Windows XP and Vista and OS X for Power PC and Intel. I truly wish I could give you a better answer, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

[supersecretjim]

We appreciate any help or info at all Tore. No luck on releasing the update without the editor? We had talked about that a few months ago.

If not, can you at least give some insight as to what the new update will include? Such as new effects, optimizations, etc...

Give us all something to gnaw on for a while til the stuff actually comes out, or are you sworn to secrecy?

[aksman]

I would love if it included a VOLUME SWELL...

I'm surprised it's not in there already, since it seems like a standard effect on other processors.

[aksman]

So, I FINALLY got my G-System and can't wait for the update and hope it comes with some good stuff (volume swell would mean I don't have to get a Slow Gear clone).

QUESTION:
*What expression pedals are you guys using and what works/works best? I need to find one.*

Here's the List:
I figure there's this list:
TC Electronic
Ernie Ball 6181 VP Jr. (low impedence 25k)
M-audio Expression Pedal
Alesis F2
Roland EV5
Roland EV7
Line 6 EX1
Yamaha FC7
Zoom FP02
Boss FV500H
Boss FV500L
Boss FV50H
Boss FV50L
Korg XVP10
DOD FX17 Wah/Volume
Moog Expression pedal
Visual Sound Visual Volume
Behringer FCV100
VOX Volume pedal?
Dunlop Volume pedal?
Morley Volume pedal?
(One with a lower impedence pot if the make them?)

[Ed DeGenaro]

So, I FINALLY got my G-System and can't wait for the update and hope it comes with some good stuff (volume swell would mean I don't have to get a Slow Gear clone).

QUESTION:
*What expression pedals are you guys using and what works/works best? I need to find one.*

Here's the List:
I figure there's this list:
TC Electronic
Ernie Ball 6181 VP Jr. (low impedence 25k)
M-audio Expression Pedal
Alesis F2
Roland EV5
Roland EV7
Line 6 EX1
Yamaha FC7
Zoom FP02
Boss FV500H
Boss FV500L
Boss FV50H
Boss FV50L
Korg XVP10
DOD FX17 Wah/Volume
Moog Expression pedal
Visual Sound Visual Volume
Behringer FCV100
VOX Volume pedal?
Dunlop Volume pedal?
Morley Volume pedal?
(One with a lower impedence pot if the make them?)
I tried the Boss EV something or rather, works great on my big rack with T-Rex controller, lags pretty bad with the G-System.
Tried the EB jr for volume but prefer it in front. I did order the 2 TC controllers so we'll see how those will work.

[supersecretjim]

I use two (one for expression & one for volume) Ernie Ball VPjr 250k pedals.

I didnt know when I bought them that the one controlling expression & wah parameters should have been a 25-50k value, but it works wonderfully for me & I couldnt be happier with the performance of volume & expression control. In fact, the pedal controlling my wah on the g-system seems hardwired to my foot while the pedal controlling the volume parameter has always seemed sluggish in comparison.

I know thats not the way it should be, but thats how it is. Ive swapped pedals & its always the same. Works great overall.

If I had to do it over again, Id probably buy the 25k pedal because they are supposed to be better to control both volume & expression parameters & its $10.00 cheaper than the 250k version, but again, mine works great on both parameters.

Maybe its because its just the Ernie Ball brand. Im sure each different brand responds in its own way.

The only sure bet would be to purchase the dedicated pedals that TC just put out.

Im sure ten people will give you ten responses.

.

[Blues123]

I use an Ernie Ball JR (250k) Volume pedal in the "Vol" socket set as a global volume control and a Boss FV500L as an expression pedal in the "Exp" socket. This can be used to control any parameter on a preset basis.
I am happy with the sweep of both of these pedals. However, the latency on both of them is dreadful with the sound changing after the movement. I have tried numerous pedals and ALL of them exhibit this sam lag. I have heard many other users mention this problem and I think it is the G-System that is the problem and not the pedals. I will try TC support again to see if they have any answers (for what it's worth!!). Although I'm beginning to wonder if they have stopped supporting the G in view of the months of false promises of an update and a PC editor.
How long have they been talking about the editor in their brochures?

[Nomadgtr]

I tried the Boss EV something or rather, works great on my big rack with T-Rex controller, lags pretty bad with the G-System.
Tried the EB jr for volume but prefer it in front. I did order the 2 TC controllers so we'll see how those will work.

I agree about the EBjr Ed. I have mine up front as well. I use a Roland EV-5 as my current pedal to throttle the wet level. Other than the fact the response isn't linear it works ok with no lag for me. Just wish the response curve utilized the whole range of the pedal instead of just the last 30% or so.

[trsU2]

I am continually changing my compressor settings on the G System....very fickle. :messedup I used to use mainly the "advanced compressor" setting for most of my presets but have recently tried the "percussive" and "sustaining" types. The percussive setting, if set correctly, seems to do a good job of boosting my signal, particularly on clean settings. I've tried the sustaining type too (with less success), usually on distorted presets. I'm curious what other users have had success with, including the setting and parameter numbers, if anyone cares to share. Thanks.

P.S. I've checked out the new website a fellow G System player created but so far not much luck on a vast library of settings.

[aksman]

What expression pedal has a feel that's inbetween a classic Wah pedal's throw and the throw of a Whammy???

Ed, let us know how those TC pedals work out.
I'm lookin to pick a couple up.
Thanks


Any news on the TC pedals???

I've narrowed it to that or the big Boss one, or the Rocktron Hex.

[jelyfinger]

I have a Roctron Hex...works great for expression but has terrible latency on volume like alot of other G System users are experiencing with other pedals. So that pretty much says that it is a software issue with the G! Hope a fix for that is in the upcoming release. With all the new TC stuff launched, I hope they have not put the release on the back burner. A software release has now been discussed on this thread for a year!

[jelyfinger]

I have ordered the V1 & X1 but am wondering if I will still experience the latency issues with them. They definitely will look awesome next to the G! :drool

[Ikarus]

You guys were looking for G-system flight cases. Here's the rolling, lockable road case I just had built for my G. The guys at case connection (http://www.caseconnection.co.za) built it for me and they customise and ship. It came in sub $400

http://www.pixelchurch.com/blogpix/case077.jpg

http://www.pixelchurch.com/blogpix/case081.jpg

http://www.pixelchurch.com/blogpix/case088.jpg

http://www.pixelchurch.com/blogpix/case093.jpg

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I really like the look of this flight case. Can you tell me your flight case specs(how long and big it is) Andy, so i can order one right away. That would be awesome dude.

[aksman]

The cheap cases are working fine for me... way under 100 bucks as I recall.

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d72/aksman/guitar%20gear/Board6v1.2.jpg

[aksman]

To anyone who knows (especially if using the Rocktron HEX):

I have a Roctron Hex...works great for expression but has terrible latency on volume like alot of other G System users are experiencing with other pedals. So that pretty much says that it is a software issue with the G! Hope a fix for that is in the upcoming release. With all the new TC stuff launched, I hope they have not put the release on the back burner. A software release has now been discussed on this thread for a year!


I read in the manual that the expression jack is RTS... then I read that the G-System needs a TRS cable...

SO, what type of cable do you use? a RST to TSR, or do you just use a mono cable there's no need for a ground sleeve since there's no sound coming out of it (so you just run it like RT to TR and reverse the motion via the GSystem)? I'm confused.

[jelyfinger]

To anyone who knows (especially if using the Rocktron HEX):




I read in the manual that the expression jack is RTS... then I read that the G-System needs a TRS cable...

SO, what type of cable do you use? a RST to TSR, or do you just use a mono cable there's no need for a ground sleeve since there's no sound coming out of it (so you just run it like RT to TR and reverse the motion via the GSystem)? I'm confused.

TRS cable! ;)

[oldmetry]

Problem solved. Nevermind.:D

[konstantine]

is there any info from TC about the PC editor and mod delays??

[DaveNJ]

aksman, would that case you have there hold the G, the V1 and the X1 pedals all in a line?

[DaveNJ]

I have another question having to do with levels - I'm running the G-System into my Boogie MkIVa combo and I wanted to spend a bit of time this evening to get my levels straightened out. I'm running it into the normal loop of the Boogie using the 4 cable method...

What I'm finding, though, is that even with all of the global levels set to 0db (except for loop headroom, which is at 2db), the setup is quite a bit louder when running through the G-System as opposed to when I run direct.

I'm testing this using patch B9-5 - All Bypassed.

Is there another volume setting I'm missing somewhere?

Thanks, Dave

[benttop]

Hi Tom-Andrew,

I really really wish I could give you an exact date and am very eager to get both the update and editor out, but based on previous experience and the number of times I've told you guys that the editor is almost ready only to let you down, I don't want to promise you anything before I absolutely know for sure that I can keep it. We're working really hard to get the editor ready and a big part of the delay is because we want it working on both Windows XP and Vista and OS X for Power PC and Intel. I truly wish I could give you a better answer, but it's the best I can do at the moment.

You know, I bought this pedal based on the idea that there would be an editor "real soon now." That was over a year ago. In fact, I just went back and looked, and you've been saying there is an editor coming since 10-02-2006, 01:06 PM. You've said it twelve times since then.

If you delay it long enough, perhaps you can avoid having to integrate to Vista, and target the next MS abortion of an OS.

When I started poking around here before I made my purchase, I pointed out that TC had not very good credibility with me based on past actions with my now dead G-Major. It appears TC have not changed their corporate doublespeak at all, despite assurances to the contrary. I love this pedal, but I NEED that goddamn editor. What takes a year of software programming to get done anyway?

I'm sorry if I sound a bit testy about this. It's just that my investment has been sitting waiting for that editor for a year now. I could have invested that money into a product that is actually HERE NOW, and by God, next time that's precisely what I'll do.

[photios]

what's the best price on a new G-System these days? And, where's the best place to get it?

also, what price would I expect to pay for a minty used GS?

[DaveNJ]

There's an updated article in the TC support database whcih states September/October:

http://tcsupport.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/tcsupport.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1973&p_created=1188987910&p_sid=X9laD*Ki&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPSZwX3NvcnRfYnk9JnBfZ3JpZHNvcnQ9JnBfc m93X2NudD0xMDQ5JnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0mcF9wdj0mcF9 jdj0mcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlYXJjaF9ubCZwX 3BhZ2U9MQ**&p_li=&p_topview=1


You know, I bought this pedal based on the idea that there would be an editor "real soon now." That was over a year ago. In fact, I just went back and looked, and you've been saying there is an editor coming since 10-02-2006, 01:06 PM. You've said it twelve times since then.

If you delay it long enough, perhaps you can avoid having to integrate to Vista, and target the next MS abortion of an OS.

When I started poking around here before I made my purchase, I pointed out that TC had not very good credibility with me based on past actions with my now dead G-Major. It appears TC have not changed their corporate doublespeak at all, despite assurances to the contrary. I love this pedal, but I NEED that goddamn editor. What takes a year of software programming to get done anyway?

I'm sorry if I sound a bit testy about this. It's just that my investment has been sitting waiting for that editor for a year now. I could have invested that money into a product that is actually HERE NOW, and by God, next time that's precisely what I'll do.

[Tore TC]

You know, I bought this pedal based on the idea that there would be an editor "real soon now." That was over a year ago. In fact, I just went back and looked, and you've been saying there is an editor coming since 10-02-2006, 01:06 PM. You've said it twelve times since then.

If you delay it long enough, perhaps you can avoid having to integrate to Vista, and target the next MS abortion of an OS.

When I started poking around here before I made my purchase, I pointed out that TC had not very good credibility with me based on past actions with my now dead G-Major. It appears TC have not changed their corporate doublespeak at all, despite assurances to the contrary. I love this pedal, but I NEED that goddamn editor. What takes a year of software programming to get done anyway?

I'm sorry if I sound a bit testy about this. It's just that my investment has been sitting waiting for that editor for a year now. I could have invested that money into a product that is actually HERE NOW, and by God, next time that's precisely what I'll do.

Hi benttop,

I can only agree with you that the editor has taken way too long and that I pretty much haven't done anything other than get you guys hope up only to let you down time and time again.

When I first wrote about the editor I was certain that the editor would be ready for Winter NAMM 07. But because of various reasons it has been delayed again and again. In hindsight I probably shouldn't have told you guys about the editor until it was actually 100% ready. Generally speaking products incl. software is often delayed (look at Windows Vista) but we often don't find out about it, because we only get to hear about it once it is actually ready. The risk of being disappointed will always be there when you get "inside" information on upcoming products.

But with that said 9-10 months delay is a long time and for that I can only apologize. I'd also like to stress that we in no way have been down-prioritizing the editor, we have had engineers working on it full time for almost a year now.

As you noticed on our support website we expect the Editor to be ready within the next month or two. I'll of course let you know as soon as it's ready, and really hope you'll like it... you certainly waited long enough. :o

[gbtommasi]

You know, I bought this pedal based on the idea that there would be an editor "real soon now." That was over a year ago. In fact, I just went back and looked, and you've been saying there is an editor coming since 10-02-2006, 01:06 PM. You've said it twelve times since then.

If you delay it long enough, perhaps you can avoid having to integrate to Vista, and target the next MS abortion of an OS.

When I started poking around here before I made my purchase, I pointed out that TC had not very good credibility with me based on past actions with my now dead G-Major. It appears TC have not changed their corporate doublespeak at all, despite assurances to the contrary. I love this pedal, but I NEED that goddamn editor. What takes a year of software programming to get done anyway?

I'm sorry if I sound a bit testy about this. It's just that my investment has been sitting waiting for that editor for a year now. I could have invested that money into a product that is actually HERE NOW, and by God, next time that's precisely what I'll do.

I agree with you that there have been a long delay. A software editor for a flagship product should be shipped with the product or follow it closely, especially if the producer is a top company like TC.
Anyhow, i disagree with your conclusions. I don't think you bought the g-sys because it could come with a wonderful editor (this can be one of the reasons). I rather think you bought it for the sounds and for the features. At least, that's why i purchased mine.
I would not regret owning one evn if the editor would never be issued. of course, i will be glad when i am able to edit sounds on a pc interface instead of a two-lines display and save, archive, move my banks in a snap!
;)

[aksman]

aksman, would that case you have there hold the G, the V1 and the X1 pedals all in a line?


I have no clue how wide the v1 and x1's are, but from the looks of things, I should be able to get one expression pedal on each side of the g-system if i centered it on my board (expresison pedals next to each other won't have enough foot room).

I just got my HEX in and it works very well. I love the throw on it, perfectly between a Wah and a Whammy... I don't know what kind of pot is in the Rocktron Hex, though, and I wish I could find a 25k ohm linear replacement pot to throw in there (since I assume that is not what's in there).

[aksman]

TRS cable! ;)


I tried the amp-switcher cable I had (TRS) and it only gave me an "off" and "on" with the Rocktron Hex (99 and 98 for calibration parameters).

Using a regular mono-instrument cable, it worked great (giving me 1 to 75 for calibration parameters)... is this ok??? or could I be harming something?

[Ikarus]

I agree with you that there have been a long delay. A software editor for a flagship product should be shipped with the product or follow it closely, especially if the producer is a top company like TC.
Anyhow, i disagree with your conclusions. I don't think you bought the g-sys because it could come with a wonderful editor (this can be one of the reasons). I rather think you bought it for the sounds and for the features. At least, that's why i purchased mine.
I would not regret owning one evn if the editor would never be issued. of course, i will be glad when i am able to edit sounds on a pc interface instead of a two-lines display and save, archive, move my banks in a snap!
;)

Well said my friend. I own a line 6 pod xt live and was using that before i discovered the G(hail to the G) and with the pod is a great software editor (line 6 edit and Gearbox, both great). Having a software editor is great but for a piece of equipment like the G and Podxt, i would say it is a nice bonus, because what you are really paying for is the quality of sounds, effects and build of the equipment. I found that I really never used the software editor for the Podxt, but maybe its just that im lazy, all my equipment is in my bands practice space downtown and i never take my laptop with me. So everything i did with the podxt and now with the g has been done manually, and it works great for me.

Dont know why im telling you guys all this but just wanted to say my opinion and my experience. :D

[SBRocket]

I have to agree with Benttop. While I did buy the G-system for the sound and the functionality, I probably would not have bought it had I known there was not going to be an editor for it.

A complex, layered UI with 2 lines of text, funny knobs, no keyboard for naming patches and no way to move or store banks is not worth the money for me no matter how it sounds.

I think TC is a fantastic company but I also feel like they have dropped this ball and while I appreciate Tore's candor about this, I feel like we all have a right to expect this editor by now even if he had not leaked it to us.

It is simply a product that needs an editor to allow me to use it to the level I want to use it. So perhaps I should not have bought it until I saw the editor was out, but as I said I like TC alot. (I have TC/Dynaudio monitors in my 5.1 mix room, as well as a lot of other TC gear.) So I based on my purchasing decison on the reputation of the company and sadly this time they did not live up to it. Maybe they should have held off the release until they had the editor, but the economics of that choice would have been worse for them so they did release it.

I once worked for a software/hardware company that brought out a major product before the software was ready and all it did was piss people off and make my life miserable. From a sales standpoint we brought in lots of money to fuel the developement but from an end user's view we just brought a load of important sessions to screeching halts.

I'm not saying that this is as bad as that or that that other company has not done very well since then (they have), but I am saying that this product cycle has been handled badly IMO.

In any case I'm sure it will come out and we'll all be very happy with it and this wait will be forgotten mostly but I hope that TC can do better next time.

Steve

[supersecretjim]

Let see...

TC released the G-system about a year before it should have came out. Lets face it, the unit wasnt really solid enough for continued, reliable use until software version 2.0 came out. We have all heard the horror stories.

Now we wait for the next software version, which I guess is 3.? (Tore said it was ready 1st quarter of 2007) but is on hold for an unknown reason... Im assuming to be a package release with the software editor.

Who will be surprised upon using the editor, when suddenly after making several preset changes, you try to save all your new data & POW!!!

Everything is gone.

Maybe Im trying to start something, maybe Im just being realistic. Maybe Im just tired of waiting...

Waiting for an editor that is long overdue... Waiting for the latest software version which, according to Tore, was done many months ago but has been held captive by TC so it can be released along with an editor which may or may not be fully functional.

TC forget the editor...

Give me my moneys worth, and put the new software version up and available for download!

[aksman]

I have to admit that the final push that made me go ahead and switch from my trusty PodXTlive to the Gsystem was that the Editor's release seemed near.

And, yes, I'd just like the updates avail. now... and I pray they include some more effects (A VOLUME SWELL IN THE FILTERS SECTION!!!!!) so I can free-up my insert jacks.

But, careful not to kill the messenger. I'm happy that Tore's here to help troubleshoot and keep us informed. I would hate for him to be driven away as we all grow angry with the company he works for, in never-ending anticipation of the editor and update.

[benttop]

I have to admit that the final push that made me go ahead and switch from my trusty PodXTlive to the Gsystem was that the Editor's release seemed near.

And, yes, I'd just like the updates avail. now... and I pray they include some more effects (A VOLUME SWELL IN THE FILTERS SECTION!!!!!) so I can free-up my insert jacks.

But, careful not to kill the messenger. I'm happy that Tore's here to help troubleshoot and keep us informed. I would hate for him to be driven away as we all grow angry with the company he works for, in never-ending anticipation of the editor and update.

I'm pleased that we have such information, and that we can ask questions and get answers. I'm not so pleased to come to the understanding that TC Electronic haven't changed all that much since they screwed me over on my G-Major. Say whatever it takes to get the customer's money, but when it comes to support, well now that's different. I should have known better, but there do not seem to be any alternative products out there. I would have been better off to stay with my stomp boxes it seems.

Do I sound like I'm not happy? Sorry. I'm not very...

[Stevo57]

I got tired of waiting for the editor and sold it. If it ever comes out and is proven to be reliable, I may buy another but I doubt it.

[andy_i]

I really like the look of this flight case. Can you tell me your flight case specs(how long and big it is) Andy, so i can order one right away. That would be awesome dude.
Sorry - just saw this now. Mine is a little large, so I'm having them do me a mark II with a retractable handle. The current one is (in metric) 950mm x 420mm x 130mm. I'm gong to to shimmy it down to around 600x350x130, with the secondary FX pedals folding up over the G-sys thin side switches [if you can picture that].

HTH

Andy

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[sixstringmonk]

But, careful not to kill the messenger. I'm happy that Tore's here to help troubleshoot and keep us informed. I would hate for him to be driven away as we all grow angry with the company he works for, in never-ending anticipation of the editor and update.

I agree 100%. I'd rather have Tore posting here and being honest with us rather than having silence from TC. If someone really wants to vent to TC, they will probably be much more effective by venting directly to customer service.

[supersecretjim]

In all reality, this board is completely ineffective. If anyone thinks anything that goes on here affects TCs thinking, they are living in a dream. Sorry to be so blunt.

This brings up (yet again) the fact that TC does not have its own user forum - something I think is inexcusable when talking about a major force in the industry. Tore - let TC know to step up the customer service - take a lesson from Line 6 & other companies that get involved with thier customers.

I know Tore tries to help, but we dont get the full story. Does anyone even know what is included in the next software update? Many companies post teaser info just to whet peoples appetites.

This update has been done since first quarter of 2007, but is being held in reserve for a one-two punch release with the long overdue software editor. Its mis-leading for TC to show the editor on literature when its wasnt even on the horizon. Its like getting baby shower presents from all your friends when you & your lady have only talked about the possibility of maybe getting pregnant.

So where is TC's baby?

I found out after asking Tore, the latest version (3.0?) was ready for release months ago. He even seemed to agree with me that it would be a good idea to release it separately from the editor since it was complete & the editor was in a state of un-obtainium.

TC is not making many friends right now & the software editor is important to many people. Personally I could take it or leave it, but I want the latest update now.

[gounzy]

+1
Mine is for sale for that reason. Way too long ! And the Exp pedals lag bug is pissing me off. So long TC...

[jelyfinger]

I agree with these aforementioned opinions as well. Was in line for both of the new X1 & V1 TC pedals but I cancelled my order. I will wait to see if the pedal bugs will be rectified with the software release. TC wants to sell these new items to existing buyers of the G sysytem but until they work out the lag kinks there is no sense in having them. C'mon TC...throw us a bone, it has been long enough!

[supersecretjim]

Lost sales, pissed off customers, & potential loss of current customers - and thats only the people that are posting. You can count on ten times the people who dont post & quietly slip away. I personally know of two people who got rid of thier G-systems in the past year or so.

Im here for the long haul. My G-system isnt going anywhere. I love it for everything it is & everything it can be.

All TC would have to do is at least give a little info to save or even increase sales & have a happier customer base. Imagine all the potential customers who come on this site & read through this thread & form a buying decision based on G-system owners input.

For example: This would be on the TC website...If I was in charge. Not the actual updates themselves, but at least something showing that TC is working on an update & cares about its customers.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________



Coming soon!
G-system software update Version 3.0
G-System - Software - Version 3.0

List of changes


New features

Rotary simulator
Now available for the G-System through this update.

Volume swell
Now available for the G-System through this update

Effects loop send & return on/off
Independent control of effects loops 1-5 send & return parameter on or off - ideal for multiple preamp setups utilizing dual 4 cable method to ensure non-interaction between between preamps even if used simultaneously.
Now available for the G-System through this update.


Optimizations

Volume & expression pedal lag time fixed
Reports on lag time at volume & expression pedal for control of volume & expression parameters was excessive.
This has now been fixed.


__________________________________________________ _____________


How hard would that be? Keep your customer informed...before he asks for an update!

Make a lot of people feel alot better.

Having a rogue employee giving us bits of info - and honestly the only info weve gotten in months is that we arent getting anything soon. We have yet to get a glimps of what the software update has in store for us. NOTHING. I have asked plenty of times in the past months for any info & Tore never even addresses the question. Ive also sent messages to TC directly - without action.

TC -

Get your own forum - your customers will love you for it!
Keep your current AND potential customers informed about whats to come.

Example: Shop supervisor to customer -

"your car will be ready when its ready. We'll call you" Bad example


"You are a priority to us. Ill have your car in for a diagnostic immediately & when I know whats wrong , Ill call you with a price & timeframe. If I cannot find the problem by days end, Ill call you with the info I have & what we can expect from there." Good example


Customer service shouldnt be an after thought. It should be POLICY.

Thanks for listening to my rant. If it seems like Im bitching, Im sorry. Ive been in customer service for years & this is not the way to treat people. We have a right to expect timely software updates & the advertised software editor.
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[+BroNNoS+]

Can we please stop ranting here about how 'bad' TC's service is? Please address your rants and frustration at the place they should be...TC's customer service. I am still happy with my G-sys and I know other people who are. Although there are some real issue's with the machine, I can deal with them and there is still no real alternative available and for me the advantages outweighs the disadvantages (for the moment ;)). And do not bash Tore for the company's behavior. Again, use the customer service for that. If you read properly through this thread you can see he's given us plenty of info regarding the content of the update. As already said: do not shoot the messenger.

And let us all get back to the topic of this thread.. the actual G-System itself. I am very interested in real life usage? How do you use it in your setup? What effectpedals/preamps are you using with it? etc etc. My personal thing with the G-sys is that I'm finding the buttons to be too sensitive for my liking. When I press the second row I often accidentally push the first row button as well :s. Has anyone else have this problem? Or a solution?

[jelyfinger]

+BroNNoS+ I am tickled that you are totally happy with your G but we have a right to voice our opinions. These comments are no reflection on Tore and I know I speak for the others who have stated their displeasure with the untimely updates. This is a high end effects unit with capabilites that are not being utilized to their potential. I am just asking for the effects/parameters the unit already has to operate they way they should. Is that asking too much? We deserve to be taken care of in a better fashion than we are experiencing! Have you ever heard the phrase " squeaky wheel gets the grease"? Well, unless you speak up, nothing will be done! I am not the kind of person who is issued crap and says " Yummy!...Hagen Das, may I have another scoop please?"

[benttop]

My personal thing with the G-sys is that I'm finding the buttons to be too sensitive for my liking. When I press the second row I often accidentally push the first row button as well :s. Has anyone else have this problem? Or a solution?

Yeah, we all have that problem. The solution is to do your programming with the editor.

[+BroNNoS+]

+BroNNoS+ I am tickled that you are totally happy with your G but we have a right to voice our opinions. These comments are no reflection on Tore and I know I speak for the others who have stated their displeasure with the untimely updates. This is a high end effects unit with capabilites that are not being utilized to their potential. I am just asking for the effects/parameters the unit already has to operate they way they should. Is that asking too much? We deserve to be taken care of in a better fashion than we are experiencing! Have you ever heard the phrase " squeaky wheel gets the grease"? Well, unless you speak up, nothing will be done! I am not the kind of person who is issued crap and says " Yummy!...Hagen Das, may I have another scoop please?"

I did not say you cannot speak up agians TC, in fact I say please do. But do it at the right channel...TC Customer Service. This thread has turned from a G-System usage thread into a bash thread looking at the latest postings and that is not why I am here.. and looking at the response benttop I do not think this is gonna change very soon.. a pity. And to benttop: no, I don't need an editor on stage..and the editing the G-Sys on my table works just fine..

[ryanformato]

I have to say I love my G-system, but am annoyed at the lack of release of the V1 and X1. They are not shipping anywhere. I want to get rid of my little alligator because it is huge and I don't want to use something of that size as a volume pedal. I can't even utilize the Expression settings on the G-system such as whammy pedal etc... because I have no expression pedal and am not going to buy one just to buy the X1 later on. I have been waiting since July. They've pushed it back to at least October now.

[aksman]

My personal thing with the G-sys is that I'm finding the buttons to be too sensitive for my liking. When I press the second row I often accidentally push the first row button as well :s. Has anyone else have this problem? Or a solution?


While I don't have this problem, If you angle the G-System more (or throw it on a pedaltrain (that's already angled), the angle will be to a degree where you're less likely to step on the lower buttons when pressing the higher ones.

[Stevo57]

I get more satisfaction out of bitching here and letting my other fellow forumites know my experiences than I get out of the canned auto-response I get from TC about issues. I could not get everything I wanted to get out of the unit without the editor, period. It's why I bought it over other available units. The endless delays are BS.

[supersecretjim]

BroNNoS & everyone for that matter:

This is the perfect place to voice an opinion.

Especially considering the fact that TC has no user forum. If TC had a live forum where owners & potential owners could interact with each other & company moderators, this thread would hardly be neccessary. That way, TC could make it seem like a perfect world & delete negative posts and threads just like Parker guitars & others do. I know this happens - Ive been a victim of disappearing posts.

Personally, I bought my G-system about 1.5 years ago based soley on the information this forum had to offer - both good and bad. I felt it was much more useful than Harmony Central reviews at the time. I knew what I was getting into, found a great price ($1250.00 shipped from an authorized dealer) & jumped on it. No regrets. I knew it might be a while before the G-system found its groove, just like the G-Force did 10 years ago. Hell, even now, the G-Force is still a player! I personally expect the same from the G-system in years to come.

This is the Gear Page G-System thread. It contains an encyclopedia of information on this unit - both good & bad. It has user experiences, both at home & on the stage. It has set up advice from people who have used the unit from the start. It has bits of information that you couldnt possibly find on TCs support knowledge base because this forum is the REAL knowledge base. Sometimes people (users) stumble onto things that engineers didnt even know were possible. Tell me Im wrong.

At this point I would also like to THANK GOD for Tore. It really is awesome to have him here. He doesnt have to do this. Im sure its all on his own time, as well. I have never & would never personally bash him. I think its great having him here. Unfortunately, he is only allowed to give what he can & Im sure would get into more than a bit of trouble leaking info that TC didnt want to give out in the first place. Im assuming all info given to us has to be approved for the public by the powers that be at TC.

When you register a complaint or concern with TC support, it really seems to fall on deaf ears at times. The responses seem programmed & dont give any info. This forum is the only way to see that others have the some concerns as I do.

People cruising this forum have a right to know whats happening. Good or bad. Perhaps they see a software update hasnt come out for just about a year & think - "maybe Ill wait for things to iron out" or "maybe Ill wait to see if the rotary simulator will be on the next update". Without TC posting on thier website a list of whats to come, these people may just wait on thier purchase. Or purchase something else because of the money burning a hole in thier pocket.

Maybe they downloaded the literature from TCs website which highligts the INCLUDED software editor for G-system. Its an honest mistake, Im sure. But how many people have bought G-systems based on seeing the TC guitar effects brochure which implies that the software editor is available as of that writing? And many months later, still no editor. Its kind of funny... every once in a while I re-read this thread or parts of it & I just re-read a post from 7/25/05 (page 3 of this thread) & Scott Peterson stated after going to the Summer 05 Namm show & speaking with TC & Marc Cooper -- TC stated an editor would be out in around 2-3 months! Now how late is the editor?!?!?!? That sure puts things into perspective...

Whether Tore mentioned the editor almost a year ago or not, TCs inclusion of it in their own brochure would have set this whole thing in motion anyway.

If anyone ever asked me if the G-system is worth it (& people have) I always say yes & sing its praises. My best friend hates it & thinks its a tone killer. But hes incredibly closed minded.

The concerns & accolades brought up on this forum are, for the most part, accurate. If we only had TC support to deal with, there would be no written record of any of this thread to educate & inform G-system owners & potential owners.

It does seem, lately, that this thread has taken a turn into what some would call "bashing". I think that is because there is not much new to talk about. You know how it goes ...
When theres nothing else to do... Complain!

Once we have the update 3.0 & the software editor, people will be so busy asking questions about new features & such, that "bashing" will be on the back burner. Until the next round ...LOL

[supersecretjim]

As far as controlling volume & expression goes, I love my Erine Ball VPjr. I thought I had two 250 pedals, but upon checking everything out last night, I noticed that one is a 25 & one is the 250k volume pedal.

I think, besides being built like a brick shithouse, these pedals complement the G-system visually. The anodized aluminum of the pedals looks like it was made as a companion piece to the G-system.

I experience perfect tracking with the expression control & the typical lag that all users seem to experience with a volume controller, no matter which pedal I use.

The clincher in this deal...

The EB pedals are available RIGHT NOW. And cheaper than the TC pedals.

[aksman]

Anyone find replacement 25K Ohm linear pots for these???

The Visual Sound site says they have "replacement kits" for their visual volume pedal... but I can't find any.

I'm debating switching out the pot in my Rocktron Hex (I'm loving the throw on this pedal with the g-system... but definately not linear).

[jesper]

I use 2 Ernie Ball VP Jr. 25K volume pedals and they work perfect.

[Itsik]

On a slightly differant note ...

I'm thinking of designing some kind of a box that would hold the rack unit along with some pedals and would also have a place to carry the controller around.
The idea is to cary everything in one box, and take out the controller when gigging while putting the box with the rest near the amp.
Any ideas any one?

thnx
Itsik

[ed_dale007]

I would be interested in seeing some boards with your g systems. I am getting a new board soon dont know what all I am going to do but any ideas would be great!!!

[supersecretjim]

I just submitted this question to TC Support. Im lost - (this is a real problem & its driving me crazy). Lets see who wins... The gear page forum or TC support interactive.

Let the games begin!

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I recently reset my G-system & erased all my presets. Now, after reporgramming presets, my wah when in auto on mode always is active (which it should be - the filter light is on) problem is, when I change from any preset to one that has the wah, the sound is very trebly - this is because the wah is on - it shouldnt be until I hit the pedal & then go off by itself. When I do move the pedal, the wah operates as it should & turns off by itself as set in my options at .5 second. Then the sound is normal. But as soon as I switch to another preset that has wah on it again (in auto on mode), I get the same nasty high wah sound until I move the pedal.

In short, when wah is set to auto on, enabled, in high or low range, the wah sound is on when changing to a preset. It shouldnt be on until I move the pedal.

This never happened before on any of my presets. The auto on worked flawlessly. I know this is my fault & Im missing something. but Im at my wits end. Ive read & re-read the manual, but just cant seem to find an answer.

Thanks for any help!

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This is the exact message sent to TC support

Thanks guys!

[guitarrob]

I was wondering if any of you had an idea if the Godlyke Power Pump could be used with one of the 9 volt outputs of the G-System to provide 18 volt power for an MXR Flanger.

http://www.godlyke.com/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=135&thiscat=50&frompage=Online_Store&page_num=1&=SID

It clearly states in the description that The Power Pump is designed to work in conjunction with the Godlyke PA-9 Power-All 9-volt digital power supply ONLY, but nonetheless, it would be very convienient for me to use this as an option for power, rather than plugging the flanger in separately with the 18 volt wallwart each time I set up, assuming it would work with the G-Sys supplied power. Just wondered if anybody had tried this or had any opinion on if it might work. Thanks.

[supersecretjim]

That would be very nice. Ive got two overdrive/distortion units that are 15 vdc. Rocktron GDP works with the outs from the TC but the Radial Hot British is lifeless.

Ive never thought about a step up convertor. I wonder if my local radio shack sells somethng like that? The closest music store is 200 miles from me in Las Vegas.


BTW... anyone have any help for me on my Wah problem?

[aksman]

I just submitted this question to TC Support. Im lost - (this is a real problem & its driving me crazy). Lets see who wins... The gear page forum or TC support interactive.

Let the games begin!

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I recently reset my G-system & erased all my presets. Now, after reporgramming presets, my wah when in auto on mode always is active (which it should be - the filter light is on) problem is, when I change from any preset to one that has the wah, the sound is very trebly - this is because the wah is on - it shouldnt be until I hit the pedal & then go off by itself. When I do move the pedal, the wah operates as it should & turns off by itself as set in my options at .5 second. Then the sound is normal. But as soon as I switch to another preset that has wah on it again (in auto on mode), I get the same nasty high wah sound until I move the pedal.

In short, when wah is set to auto on, enabled, in high or low range, the wah sound is on when changing to a preset. It shouldnt be on until I move the pedal.

This never happened before on any of my presets. The auto on worked flawlessly. I know this is my fault & Im missing something. but Im at my wits end. Ive read & re-read the manual, but just cant seem to find an answer.

Thanks for any help!

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This is the exact message sent to TC support

Thanks guys!



I've got the same problem. When using the AutoOn feature on a preset, it functions very well, except for when initially calling upon the preset.

When you press the preset you want, the Wah will automatically be enabled and set to the position the expression pedal was in when you saved the preset. Only upon moving the expression pedal will it turn the wah off when using the AutoOn feature... weird, huh?

[benttop]

It would take a search of this very long thread to find it, but I believe this is a known bug which will be fixed by the new firmware if it ever gets here.

[supersecretjim]

Pretty much. It never did it before I cleaned things up. Ive been using 2.01 the whole time. Ive tried saving different positions of pedal sweep & always the same. No natural sound coming through until pedal is moved.

Again. It worked perfectly before I reset everything.

Aksman... how long has this been happening to you? Have you contacted TC Support?

Obviously, Im not the only one with this problem.

[aksman]

^^^Since I got my Gsystem (a month or two by now)

[supersecretjim]

It would take a search of this very long thread to find it, but I believe this is a known bug which will be fixed by the new firmware if it ever gets here.

Is it something that you too, have noticed? Mine worked perfectly on many presets until I decided to erase everything & start over. Mine has worked since I bought my G-system & installed 1.5 & worked after the install of 2.01

Does it work for others out there?

[keychange]

I posted about this wah issue some time ago and I feel your pain! I am starting to wish I were a coder and could just fix the software myself since something like this shouldn't take a year to fix lol. I love my G but after paying crazy $$$ it would be nice to have active support. No more $$$ for TC until they get their act together.

[supersecretjim]

Did you send it to TC? What was thier answer to you?

[benttop]

Well this forum software is a PITA if you want to search for 3-letter words, like wah. You can't. You have to spell wah with 4 letters if you want to search for it. Try that!

[aksman]

I was wondering if any of you had an idea if the Godlyke Power Pump could be used with one of the 9 volt outputs of the G-System to provide 18 volt power for an MXR Flanger.

http://www.godlyke.com/shopping/pgm-more_information.php?id=135&thiscat=50&frompage=Online_Store&page_num=1&=SID

It clearly states in the description that The Power Pump is designed to work in conjunction with the Godlyke PA-9 Power-All 9-volt digital power supply ONLY, but nonetheless, it would be very convienient for me to use this as an option for power, rather than plugging the flanger in separately with the 18 volt wallwart each time I set up, assuming it would work with the G-Sys supplied power. Just wondered if anybody had tried this or had any opinion on if it might work. Thanks.


I didn't do that, but I don't think that the low power rating of the gsystem's plugs would handle it very well (hum, drain, etc)... if you want to risk it, let me know how it goes.

Otherwise, you could do what I did. Speaking of Radioshack, I bought a project enclosure, put a Godlyke Powerall inside of it, along with a Hosa y-cable for power (to plug the godlyke and the g-system power cord into), and a jack for my guitar In and amp Out.

I'm either going to add a stereo jack for the volume pedal when the lag is fixed, or put a switch on the box and run the volume pedal of the g-system set to an alternating switch (for mute and silent tuning without that 3 second holding thing - bad if you're in the middle of a song on stage)

Here's a pic:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d72/aksman/guitar%20gear/Board6v1.5.jpg

[aksman]

I would be interested in seeing some boards with your g systems. I am getting a new board soon dont know what all I am going to do but any ideas would be great!!!


Aside from mine above, there's some on pages 50-52, 63, 70, and 76.

I'll also post some ones I found online before I got my system.

[ed_dale007]

That looks like a good size board. Do you possibly know the dimensions off hand?

[aksman]

That looks like a good size board. Do you possibly know the dimensions off hand?


Interior is 28"x16", exterior 29"x17"

I'd recommend going an inch or two wider, because I don't know if it'll fit 2 expression pedals (it won't fit 2 hex pedals). I just got it off ebay... island cases or something (the manufacturer is Hybrid Cases).


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[supersecretjim]

I posted about this wah issue some time ago and I feel your pain! I am starting to wish I were a coder and could just fix the software myself since something like this shouldn't take a year to fix lol. I love my G but after paying crazy $$$ it would be nice to have active support. No more $$$ for TC until they get their act together.

I looked through your old posts & found it. Tore said it was a known bug.

I should never have reset my G-system. It just seemed the easy way to clear everything up at the time. Now its completely unuseable.:mad:

[+BroNNoS+]

I looked through your old posts & found it. Tore said it was a known bug.

I should never have reset my G-system. It just seemed the easy way to clear everything up at the time. Now its completely unuseable.:mad:

Does it also happens when you switch form a patch already containing the wah as well? Because I have the wah on on every patch and I do not see that behavior. Maybe that would be a workaround..

[supersecretjim]

Actually, it does work as long as I switch from a patch that has the wah already on. So, I guess its not so terrible. But when I switch from a clean patch that has no wah or uses a different filter, yuch. Screechy highs galore!

[supersecretjim]

BTW, I got my response back from TC at about 2:45 this morning re: my wah problem.

They say it is part of the next update. I sent a reply back asking why it would take a year to release an update. I await their reply.

[jelyfinger]

BTW, I got my response back from TC at about 2:45 this morning re: my wah problem.

They say it is part of the next update. I sent a reply back asking why it would take a year to release an update. I await their reply.

Customer (Kevin)
09/18/2007 05:56 AM

I understand the G system software update has been completed since the first quarter of 2007. What is the delay on release? There are alot of angry G System owners out there...c'mon TC! I cancelled my orders for the X1 & V1 pedals until we get a software update and see if the lag issues have been rectified. regards, Kevin

Response (Nicholas)
09/19/2007 02:57 AM

Dear Kevin,

I understand that G-System owners can be angry when our updates have been delayed so much. The problem comes from the fact that we want to release simultaneously the editor and the update. The editor is not developped by us, but apart from the normal fixes, it requires a modification of the G-System software, specially on the USB part of it. When this applicatuion will be loaded, it is not possible to revert to previous versions

Both software must be developped in parallel, but this has been quite difficult in the past month.
we could (and we should) have released an intermediary update adressing the pedals latency before we change the USB part of the software, but we did not know the editor would be delayed so much, and now the G-System software cannot be "retro" modified. We are now on beta versions for both, so the end of the tunnel should be close.

I hope you will understand the reasons why this is so long.

regards

[jelyfinger]

Howze that for a warm, fuzzy feeling?

Editor not developed by TC! Can NOT revert to a previous software version! :eek:

That is frightening my friends! This software release better be rock solid or our TC G Systems will be nothing more than very expensive scrap metal.

[trsU2]

Howze that for a warm, fuzzy feeling?

Editor not developed by TC! Can NOT revert to a previous software version! :eek:

That is frightening my friends! This software release better be rock solid or our TC G Systems will be nothing more than very expensive scrap metal.

Scrap metal? I think the system is great now and updates will make it even better. Can someone fill me in on exactly what these 'new' updates and software editor will have? I've heard about the possibility of a rotary effect and volume swell...they'd be great but again, I think the unit and the effects are for the most part very good.

[jelyfinger]

Scrap metal? I think the system is great now and updates will make it even better. Can someone fill me in on exactly what these 'new' updates and software editor will have? I've heard about the possibility of a rotary effect and volume swell...they'd be great but again, I think the unit and the effects are for the most part very good.

Yes, scrap metal! Think about it for a moment...If the new software version has any issues you will not be able to revert back to 2.0 versions! TC has only stated that the new version will include fixes for pedal lag and wah issues. There has been no mention of new effects.

I agree with you on the effects being very good...I love mine! I run mine thru a Diezel Herbert & ISP Decimator Pro Rack G and am very satisfied other than the lag issues with the pedal. As far as the editor is concerned, I could take it or leave it...not that critically important to me but would be cool.

[aksman]

Scrap metal? I think the system is great now and updates will make it even better. Can someone fill me in on exactly what these 'new' updates and software editor will have? I've heard about the possibility of a rotary effect and volume swell...they'd be great but again, I think the unit and the effects are for the most part very good.


It think this volume swell rumor was just me whining that I want one (see the guyatone swell on my board).


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