05-30-2011, 09:05 AM
Is there a source available where one can find out about the different Dumble circuits, online or otherwise?
I'm trying to wrap my head around it:
70's, 80's, 90's, HRM, non-HRM, Skyliner, etc...
I'm really confused.
05-30-2011, 09:38 AM
Originally Posted by bludotone
In the interest of Accurate information, Here is the breakdown:
the First Evolution:
The early Silver Chassis amps are responsible for the David Lindley tones with Jackson Browne, and El Ray-o X, Lowell george with Little Feat and solo, Early Steve Farris(mr. Mister) and Steve Lukather's Solo on "Roseanna", his Rythm Track on Michael Jackson's Beat-it, and EVH's Solo on Beat-it.
These amps tend to differ from one another quite a bit, but they all have some common DNA as well.
The Next evolution:
This is the Robben Ford TTYD album, Carlton "Last nite", Steve Farris (Mr.Mister welcome to the real world), Carlos Rios, and many others.
The 3rd Evolution:
These are broken into 2 categories:
"Standard Overdrve"- Robben Ford Blue Line era, Carlos Santana, Ry Cooder "Borderline", Christopher Cross, Rick Vito ("Like a Rock" slide), and of course the famed "Tan Dumble" from ultrasound.
"Hot Rubber Monkey"- Steve Trovato, LC "On solid ground", and the famous "steelbender.com" video's.
the 4th Evolution:
The Bluesmaster- Sonny Landreth tones all the way!
The Ripper- Current LC tones. These amps are quite possibly the most sensitive to pick attack, the clean has more gain than the typical ODS, and the overdrive has less gain than the typical ODS, and a more marshall-esque lead tone, the overdrive circuit in these can be classified as a "Megaplex" overdrive.
Amp Insider with Brandon Montgomery: The Dumble Zone
Tuesday, 02 June 2009 10:16
GJD: There seems to be a lot of misnomers about Dumble amplifiers in terms of the models names, voicings, serial #s, etc.
BM: I agree but I donít think any one really knows all the exact details except the man himself.
GJD: In your opinion, why is there such a mystery and lack of clarity around a lot of the details about these amps.
BM: Well, I think there is a few factors that come into play. First off, there is a lot of misinformation based on hearsay and just like anything else, inaccurate statements that get repeated over and over end up being what people believe.
Second of all, there are less than 300 Dumble amplifiers in existence. They are scattered throughout the globe and no two amps are exactly the same. Also, there are variations upon variations which again can lead to inaccurate descriptions.
GJD: So, letís talk about the difference between the silver chassis and the black chassis models in the Overdrive Special series.
BM: The amps with the silver chassis were from the early build-era in the 1970s.
They are simpler in design, have less gain, and usually do not have a lead master control.
The black chassis models have more features, a lead master control and ended up becoming the flagship model.
GJD: What was the first serial number of the black chassis era?
BM: Iíd say around serial number 84 or a bit earlier.
GJD: Talk a bit more specifically about the black chassis Overdrive Special voicings.
BM: There are 4 basic voicings of the clean channel. Classic, Skyliner, Bluesmaster, and the Ripper. There are also a few different overdrive circuits. The Standard, HRM (Hot Rubber Monkey), and another more obscure circuit known as the MegaPlex. I believe The MegaPlex circuit really only exists in the Ripper model.
GJD: A lot of people use the term non-HRM. What exactly are they talking about?
BM: Itís kind of funny because what they are really referring to is the Standard voicing and the Standard voicing came out before the HRM was in existence.
Again, itís just one of those terms that came about from people talking about the amps. Come to think of it if you apply the same logic you could call the HRM, the Non-Standard. LOL
GJD: Can you be a bit more specific about the HRM?
BM: The HRM has internal tone controls including bass, mid and treble. This is to help you further dial in your lead tone as opposed to being at the mercy of a fixed voicing amp.
The MegaPlex also has internal tone controls but is more closely voiced to a Marshall circuit. Hence the term, MegaPlex as in a Plexi Marshall amp. By the way, The Standard and the HRM models are the most common.
GJD: Can you get into some details in terms of tones for Standard versus HRM?
BM: The Standard is very fat sounding and has greater harmonic content. It has that classic smooth early Larry Carlton sound. It has two gain stages with coupling caps and no internal EQ for the lead channel. As I mentioned earlier, the HRM does have the internal EQ. It is more dynamic to the touch of your pick attack. I mean, you can go from pretty extreme clean by picking soft to dirty sounding by picking harder. It is also more compressed. I might also add that all of this that I am referring to is without the pre-amp boost engaged. Once the pre-amp boost is engaged, it is all together a different world.
GJD: If you are a legato-type player which amp would you prefer?
BM: Iíd say most likely the Standard.
05-30-2011, 10:00 AM
That helps a lot...
05-30-2011, 10:07 AM
Thanks from me too. I am eyeing a Ceriatone clone and this helps a ton!
07-12-2012, 07:27 PM
This is a very informative thread!
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