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TREV FLINT
06-21-2011, 09:10 AM
I have a Tremolo pedal in the mail and I'm wondering if I should place it before or after my delay. I have no reverb pedal so that's not in the equation. Obviously I need to try both positions myself but I would like to know what the general consensus is.

Thanks

traviswalk
06-21-2011, 09:13 AM
I like my trem before delay.

más_fuerte
06-21-2011, 09:15 AM
Yep, I use mine before delay too as a general rule. But, I don't usually have trem + delay on at the same time, so for me it usually doesn't matter.

charmboy
06-21-2011, 09:17 AM
I always run it before. You could probably get some cool, more far-out sounds by running after,and tremolo'ing your echos but for traditional tones before is the key.

shallbe
06-21-2011, 09:21 AM
After for me.

theroan
06-21-2011, 09:35 AM
Before

hawes
06-21-2011, 10:38 AM
before

wundergussy
06-21-2011, 11:00 AM
I use delay like a light echo, so it's gotta be the last thing for me. Never really even considered trem after until I saw pics of boards doing that on here.

JUSTJOB
06-21-2011, 11:17 AM
Trem before Delay on my boards too.

Stevil
06-21-2011, 11:40 AM
trem first for me, i wanna here that sine wave bounce around.

Barbiche2
06-21-2011, 01:30 PM
Before!...

JeffOlson
06-21-2011, 02:12 PM
After for me, just like on my amp (a Fender SRRI): reverb (or delay, in this case) followed by tremolo.

jmecale72
06-21-2011, 02:15 PM
I have mine after, but like an earlier post said before, I don't have them on at the same time.

dave12
06-21-2011, 02:17 PM
I think a key (as with any effect order) is do you want the delay to be the prominent effect or the tremolo?

I had mine before delay for a long time, but I found that I really like a hard cut (square wave) on my trem, so I moved it after and was really pleased with the effect of delay being chopped up.

pir8matt
06-21-2011, 02:39 PM
Before for me. I run two of 'em!

delayman
06-21-2011, 02:42 PM
I usually go trem before delay my friend. What kind of trem did you get?

ChocoB
06-21-2011, 02:46 PM
I like the sound of it after delay. But after reading some of the other post, I have to say I'm intrigued by what it sounds like to hear the trem pulses repeated. More board rewiring in my future!

kp8
06-21-2011, 03:11 PM
What do you want to be able to accomplish musically?

(I know such a dumb question!)

Do you want to be able to perforate your delayed sounds or do you want to delay your amplitude modulated sounds?

Only you can know that. I don't know what you want for lunch either.

:banana

Holy Schnikes
06-21-2011, 03:34 PM
Recently discovered it sounds way better after to me, just like you'd find it on an amp. I find the delay gets sloppy running trem right in at more extreme settings. After sounds way more natural and ambient when combined with delay, imo.

Alieen
08-01-2013, 09:10 PM
before.....

Black_Label
08-02-2013, 02:43 AM
Both. I like a harder, choppier trem before delay so that the trails from the delay decay naturally. But then I'll put a mellower, swampy trem in the very back to get that 60s amp trem feel.

JesterR
08-02-2013, 02:48 AM
Tremolo is last. Tried it before OD then before delay then before reverb. But ended up, that it gives wonderful pulse strictly last in the chain.

ibanezjesse17
08-02-2013, 06:47 AM
before always

sunbuster
08-02-2013, 07:02 AM
Trem before.
I have the dunlop trem built in a wah enclosure where the treadle changes the rate.
You can do some really cool things with the rates interacting and it just sounds much more natural.

Tremolo is definitely an amplified instrument effect, whereas delay is about ambience and space, like echo, or reverb. These should come last because they emulate something that happens in nature, and not in a guitar amp. That's what I reckon anyway....

deadlands
08-02-2013, 07:37 AM
Traditionally, tremolo has almost always been last, since most tremolo circuits are right before or are part of the power section of the amp.

I find that tremolo before delay can get messy if they're not synced, so I use mine after delay and reverb.

TheGuildedAge
08-02-2013, 07:39 AM
I run tremolo last in my chain, after delay and reverb.

Bartimaeus
08-02-2013, 07:44 AM
After, but only because I use a full depth square wave to brutally chop up everything.

JesterR
08-02-2013, 07:57 AM
After, but only because I use a full depth square wave to brutally chop up everything.

Actually, on mellow setting it's even more cool to run it after reverb or delay. For a long time I am also thought, that if I place tremolo last, it would "cut" reverb or delay space. But actually it sounds more natural and gives a wonderful shimmer, especially on longer reverb or delay trails. Otherwise it gives more muddy tone. And if you can sync it with delay for rhythmic stuff, with slapback delay, "ballad" ambient delay or reverb would be just muddy, if tremolo before it. Of course it's totally depends on music and individual sound...

Rockerduck
08-02-2013, 08:01 AM
Two tremolo's, one before and after.

stilwel
08-02-2013, 08:17 AM
Before.

I like to hear the pulse of the Tremelo bounced around by a delay...especially if they are tempo-synced.

Prof JIL
08-02-2013, 08:22 AM
Before !

Porrig
08-02-2013, 09:02 AM
For me, before. Delay is the very last thing on the board.

ChampReverb
08-02-2013, 09:12 AM
Recently discovered it sounds way better after to me, just like you'd find it on an amp. I find the delay gets sloppy running trem right in at more extreme settings. After sounds way more natural and ambient when combined with delay, imo.

Yep.

I run Reverb and Tremolo after delay (as if they're coming from an amp).

However, I have not done an extensive qualitative A/B comparison.

I just figured I 'd rather not jumble up the delay repeats (which already have some modulation) with more sonic "trash".

-bEn r.

stilwel
08-02-2013, 09:34 AM
Here's an example of putting a Line 6 Pattern Trem before Delay....all synced to the tempo.

https://soundcloud.com/stilwel/ad-astra-per-aspera-to-the

tochiro
08-02-2013, 09:45 AM
Could you please make an audio comparison with the same guitar part with the trem before and after?

stilesg57
08-02-2013, 03:39 PM
Before. The last three pedals on my board are trem, delay, reverb -- in that order. Tried all the other combinations and this one sounded the best to my ears by a good margin.

MoonshineMan
08-02-2013, 05:03 PM
My trem actually sits between a few dirt pedals, after the fuzz/beano boost, but before the Fd2. It's cool because I can slam the front signal so there is no trem effect at all until the sustain starts to fade out, and it sounds like the trem is building up slowly. And it's cool to have it in front of dirt, because it sounds a bit like rolling your guitar knob up and down, so the peaks are dirty but the valleys are clean, so it sounds a bit layered, almost, although it's hard to tell at higher speeds.

micomike
10-16-2014, 10:53 AM
I had my tremolo before delay until I read this post yesterday, gave it a try, and decided tremolo should be last, right after delay... as I dont use it very much, didnt care a lot about the position, but for sure, if you want it to really cut the sound is after delay, before it was able to do it off course, but was more of a problem with the delay tempo, and overall settings, as I see it, if I hit the trem without bypassing the delay the trem still works, on the pryor layout it didnt.

QuietInTheDark
10-16-2014, 10:59 AM
I do it BOTH ways!

I do...

I don't have a dedicated tremolo.

I use the ones on the Zoom CDR.

My main delay (El Cap) is before the Zoom, but I also use delays on the Zoom.

Vedt
10-16-2014, 11:24 AM
Trem is the last thing on a Fender amp. So that's where I put my tremolo - last in the chain. I like a more subtle tremolo. I usually don't run tremolo + delay together, but when I do it sounds pretty ambient and I dig that.

jrockbridge
10-16-2014, 12:44 PM
I like Gtr > Tremolo > Delay > Amp

&

................(dry)>..............> Amp
Gtr > Delay
............(repeat)> Tremolo > Amp

strombie
10-16-2014, 12:52 PM
another vote for before

groovemeister
10-16-2014, 01:04 PM
after sounds better to me - plus i get a buffer that way too

Bee Thomas
10-16-2014, 02:52 PM
I do both. My main delay (Flashback) is before the trem and my ambient delay/ reverb (Dispatch Master) is after the trem.

slap_back05
10-16-2014, 02:57 PM
Reverb and Tremolo after Delay for me.