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tbonesullivan
07-13-2011, 08:08 AM
So, while I love the looks and vintage sound of my SG Supreme, the grover tuners make it head stock-heavy, and also the nylon dunlop strap I was using just wasn't keeping it as stable as I would like when standing up.

This is the guitar in question:

http://www.tbonesullivan.com/guitars/SGs2.jpg

So, after asking a few people, two main things I could do came up: get a suede leather strap that wouldn't slip on my shoulder, and reduce the weight of the headstock. I decided to do both, so I googled, and found some Ebony replacement buttons for grover up at Elderly instruments, and also got a Levy's seude strap, as well as some more schaller straplocks, because I needed an extra pair, and it would mean I didn't have to remove the locks from the old strap.

http://www.tbonesullivan.com/guitars/SGmod1.JPG

and the tuner pegs, before, during, and after.

http://www.tbonesullivan.com/guitars/SGmod3.JPG

http://www.tbonesullivan.com/guitars/SGmod4.JPG

http://www.tbonesullivan.com/guitars/SGmod5.JPG

End result? NO MORE NECK DIVE! Also I think the ebony tuner buttons look snazzy. as far as I can tell they are actual ebony wood, with a metal insert in the bottom/collar that goes around the tuner shaft. They are definitely lighter than the solid metal stock tuner buttons.

silvertone1481
07-13-2011, 08:15 AM
Ebony tuner buttons? Looks cool. What do they feel like?

brianr0131
07-13-2011, 08:19 AM
Looks awesome! Good work!

tbonesullivan
07-13-2011, 08:22 AM
Ebony tuner buttons? Looks cool. What do they feel like? like nicely worn pieces of wood. They might be "ebonoid" but I think they are real wood, probably stained. They are smooth, and sligh, and also feel less cool to the touch. also I don't need to worry about leaving fingerprints!

You can also get Ivoroid plastic replacement grover buttons, as well as ivoroid "imperial" style buttons. I was not into either of those. I think the ebony buttons look nice. Only question now is whether I leave that switch tip creme colored, or change it to black or something else.

silvertone1481
07-13-2011, 08:23 AM
like nicely worn pieces of wood. They might be "ebonoid" but I think they are real wood, probably stained. They are smooth, and sligh, and also feel less cool to the touch. also I don't need to worry about leaving fingerprints!

You can also get Ivoroid plastic replacement grover buttons, as well as ivoroid "imperial" style buttons. I was not into either of those. I think the ebony buttons look nice. Only question now is whether I leave that switch tip creme colored, or change it to black or something else.

Get a custom-made black ebony switch tip to match the tuner buttons.

tbonesullivan
07-13-2011, 08:23 AM
Looks awesome! Good work! well, work ain't over yet. the AC in the summer seams to have put my neck almost perfectly straight. I like a little relief to help with string buzz.

treeofpain
07-13-2011, 08:56 AM
Cool deal. I've been swapping tuner buttons for years to lighten the weight of guitars, as well as reduce neck dive. Easy, cheap, and totally reversible.

CharlyG
07-13-2011, 09:01 AM
I wish I could change the ugly ones on my SG Special Faded. I'll probably get a new set of locking tuners later...

tbonesullivan
07-13-2011, 09:02 AM
Get a custom-made black ebony switch tip to match the tuner buttons. custom? Looks like someone already makes them! Now, am I actually willing to pay $15 for a switch tip? I only paid $26.00 for all 6 knobs.

http://dknob.com/switchtip.html

silvertone1481
07-13-2011, 09:04 AM
custom? Looks like someone already makes them! Now, am I actually willing to pay $15 for a switch tip? I only paid $26.00 for all 6 knobs.

http://dknob.com/switchtip.html

More money spent in the pursuit of vanity!

Really, it's just an idea. That's an isnane price IMHO....

CharlyG
07-13-2011, 09:06 AM
I used a Sharpie on my white one!!! Guitarget didn't have a black one.....
Less than a cent for ink from the pen...

and while we're at it, who came up with that ORANGE tip?

silvertone1481
07-13-2011, 09:10 AM
I used a Sharpie on my white one!!!

Nice. Sharpie markers are a must in every gigbag/case....but only when used properly....I took a red Sharpie and made the white edge of a 3-ply 'guard red....looked terrible. I tried to cover it up with black, then realized that the edges were a different color the the face. So now an entire B/W/B 3-ply SG Pickguard is covered in Shaprie....and my SG has no pickguard on it! :D

ispunk
07-13-2011, 09:13 AM
Just tie some lead weights to the rear strap button to fix the neck dive. It's cheap and will come in handy if you want to go fishing.

silvertone1481
07-13-2011, 09:15 AM
Just tie some lead weights to the rear strap button to fix the neck dive. It's cheap and will come in handy if you want to go fishing.

Somebody actually sells weights specifically for this, I can't remember what they're called though.....

tbonesullivan
07-13-2011, 09:28 AM
and while we're at it, who came up with that ORANGE tip? well... it's easy to see. Maybe I should get an orange tip for the Supreme. Or, maybe not. I have an amber tip on one of my guitars, and it looks awesome.

CharlyG
07-13-2011, 09:31 AM
So the audience can see it, maybe? {;^)

silvertone1481
07-13-2011, 09:31 AM
well... it's easy to see. Maybe I should get an orange tip for the Supreme. Or, maybe not. I have an amber tip on one of my guitars, and it looks awesome.

Isn't it supposed to look like an old white one that faded?

I can't see how white can fade to orange......

CharlyG
07-13-2011, 09:33 AM
This whole look like it's faded thing has got to go. I am sick of fake mojo!

says the one with a faded brown SG, but I didn't get it cuz of the fade, I got it cuz of the price!

tbonesullivan
07-13-2011, 11:47 AM
This whole look like it's faded thing has got to go. I am sick of fake mojo!

says the one with a faded brown SG, but I didn't get it cuz of the fade, I got it cuz of the price! yeah... I'll do my OWN fading. Fake mojo will always be fake mojo. I met a guy who picked up an LP deluxe back in the 70s, kahlerized it, and has had it ever since. It's now got a crack in the top during the dry months, had the tuners replaced, and had 2 refrets. Original case. It still LOOK nice though, but worn in. You CAN NOT fake that mojo.

More importantly, you can't fake the 30+ years of memories that the owner has of the guitar, the stories, the everything. Now that is what I consider mojo.

Also, fading? Once Gibson and other companies starting using dyes that didn't fade in 5 years, the whole fading thing went away. All you had then was nitro yellowing and now for the most part nitro is on the outs. I've got more than a few guitars with some use marks, slight mojo, but still look killer, and probably will still look killer in 20 years.


Anyway, I'm just glad my SG supreme will finally see some real use. one of these days I've gotta start offloading some of the "herd". 14 guitars is borderline too many for a hobby player like myself.

AmpliFIRE
07-13-2011, 11:51 AM
Yeah...big suede strap took care of neck dive for me on a guitar I used to own. Not sure if the tuners make that big a difference though...?

sshan25
07-13-2011, 12:31 PM
That is a pretty guitar.

tbonesullivan
07-13-2011, 12:51 PM
Yeah...big suede strap took care of neck dive for me on a guitar I used to own. Not sure if the tuners make that big a difference though...? grover tuners weigh a ton. The ebony buttons weigh less than half of what the metal ones do. Also they look cool. I can put back on the metal ones in a few minutes if I want.

uberschall
07-13-2011, 01:35 PM
Joe Naylor has come up with this product to combat neck dive:

http://www.neckheavy.com/

The Axe Balancer!

silvertone1481
07-13-2011, 03:50 PM
Joe Naylor has come up with this product to combat neck dive:

http://www.neckheavy.com/

The Axe Balancer!

That's what I was talking about...

tbonesullivan
07-13-2011, 04:01 PM
hmm... interesting. I wonder if they have thought about maybe using a felt pad instead of a rubber one. Funny thing is they picture an SG standard on the website, and I have zero problems with my standard in terms of balance

uberschall
07-15-2011, 09:29 AM
My Standard could use one of those. I use a wide strap for it, but I'm not crazy about it. Even practicing sitting down with out a strap, I think it'd be cool for the neck to not dive.

uberschall
07-25-2011, 10:42 AM
Hey, I just got one of the Axe Balancers, and it works great!

FYI for Schaller Straplok users: Two screws of different diameter are supplied. Just as my original Gibson strap button screw was too big to fit through the Schaller button, the longer Axe Balancer screw that matches it is too big. It's not an issue for me because I'm going back to normal strap buttons and using a Lock-It locking strap.