Ok. This is the best guitar tone ever !!!!! ( John Frusciante thread part II)

[hades_1123]

Ok. This is the best guitar tone ever !!!!! IMHO ( John Frusciante thread part II)

Ok, I really love John Frusciante as a musician, person and of course, his guitar tone, he's one of my biggest influences, so amazing at some many levels. Well and ... I just found this video on youtube and I want to share it

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What do you think about ??
I want to know the TGP opinion about John Fruscainte tone or in genreal

BTW there's a John Frusciante thread closed by Bryan G. Because it had a lot of posts. So I want to continue that thread on this.

This is the Jonh Fruscainte thread part II

Let's talk about the best Guitar player of the last 30 years !!!!:munch

[TRS1]

Incredible sound. Very much a Hendrix influenced player

[Blanket Jackson]

I don't want to seem like I'm trolling, but his tone in that clip is just OK. I've never really seen JF's tone as his strong point, however. He's an interesting player at times, but tone? Kind of vanilla IMHO. Once again, no insult meant just my opinion.

[Cream]

Sounds like a Strat's front pickup > any Fender/Marshall/Vox amp.

Sorry, not seeing how this tone is "the greatest tone ever." Pretty standard IYAM.

[hades_1123]

I don't want to seem like I'm trolling, but his tone in that clip is just OK. I've never really seen JF's tone as his strong point, however. He's an interesting player at times, but tone? Kind of vanilla IMHO. Once again, no insult meant just my opinion.

Yep. It is okay. And it's courius to hear that. " I've never really seen JF's tone as his strong point" IMHO I'm a fan of the classic Strat-Marshall tone, but I'm here for read opinions. Thank you very much for posting here. Every opinion is very welcome.

BTW I like your nick "Dog friend" Cool !!!:cool:

[airportbar]

I like JF just fine, but any thread that sets out to call x or y the "best" or "greatest" usually goes south pretty quickly. Just be prepared.

[peskypesky]

i'm a fan of Frusciante. he and i clearly grew up listening to a lot of the same music. he's a really good player. chops, taste, tone, etc....that being said, i thought the tone in that video was fine, but nothing spectacular.

[rickboot]

I like Frusciante. However, his playing and tones are clearly inspired by Hendrix.

[peskypesky]

I like Frusciante. However, his playing and tones are clearly inspired by Hendrix.

true dat. he's an acolyte.

[mediocreplayer]

The Empyrean is a great record on all levels. I have not been as moved by a record in a long, long time.

I love the tone in the clip too. It may be a 'standard' tone but that is so because it is so good that it has become standard.

[Steve73]

Love Frusciante, I have been a fan since Mother's Milk. Here is my fav tune of his with the Chili's:

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[Jim S]

Sounds like a Strat's front pickup > any Fender/Marshall/Vox amp.

Sorry, not seeing how this tone is "the greatest tone ever." Pretty standard IYAM.
:agree

[buddastrat]

I'm a big fan. He gets a great strat tones. I love that dirty, old woody strat tone he gets, and it's not "pretty standard." Unless you're tone deaf or just not into strats. I could see folks saying that. A lot of nuances and more woody than a typical strat sound. A typical strat tone to me is the new, modern sounding sounding strats that are so smooth and almost plastic sounding or they're smothered in gain/compression. He's not afraid to let play dry and cleanish and let everything out.

[TresGatos]

Sounds like a Strat's front pickup > any Fender/Marshall/Vox amp.

Sorry, not seeing how this tone is "the greatest tone ever." Pretty standard IYAM.

Yep, even Mayer pulls out richer, more colorful tone than this.
It's special to you because it's special to you, that's all.

[buddastrat]

John Mayer? echhh, he's never inspired me, he tries to wear too many hats, and his playing is all what's been done before (SRV type) and I can never stand his voice.. I hear Frusciante as much rawer real, and he's honest in his play. . And Frusciante, well the dude can sing!

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[Jim S]

Wow...I had not idea could sing so well.

[buddastrat]

Sounds like a Strat's front pickup > any Fender/Marshall/Vox amp.

Sorry, not seeing how this tone is "the greatest tone ever." Pretty standard IYAM.

This is telling. So that sounds like a Fender/Marshall/Vox? Those are VERY different sounding amps, no wonder you'd think it sounds standard. A strat neck pickup into each of those amps is very different, but you have to be into strats.

[TresGatos]

... And Frusciante, well the dude can sing!


That's singing is it? ugh. (falsetto way out of key)

And I have no love for Mayer whatsoever, it's just the noodling in the first vid has the same uninspired playing as Mayer on a bad day with the bonus of mediocre tone.

I'll shut up now, I'm clearly not part of the church of JF .

Knopfler, Gilmour anyone? Oops wrong age group.

[buddastrat]

I love knop and Gilmour too for strat stuff, but Frusciante just a bit more, he's raw and got a bit more of the Hendrix thing.

I love Frusciante's singing. Yeah, he's singing the friggin' Bee Gees, who doesn't sing that falsetto?!! Apparently I'm not the only one. There's quite a few comments there on how nice his vocals are and a current thread on the Fender forum on his vocals. He sings way better than that Anthony dude!

[tapeworm]

negative.

[FenderBigot]

My mom always told me if you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything at all. So, I'm out!

JUST KIDDING... seriously though, JF is an interesting player and clearly (as others have pointed out) he is influenced by Hendrix. BUT... best tone ever? nah.

[buddastrat]

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Or some Art Garfunkel. He's pretty damn good fella's. I WISH I could sing this well.

[hades_1123]

Buddastrat is totally right. Fruscainte has gots !!!! and sings just great.

For the people talking about the bad days or the mediocre tone. Look at this !!

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I don't want to say names, but not so many guitar players can make a jam just like this !!!

[Cream]

Whatever, dude.

[dsmc80]

Listen to his solo albums. There are so many flavors of John's guitar work and vocal arrangements. I really dig Mr. Frusciante.

Here is one of hundreds of awesome examples of John's work.

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[dsmc80]

Good strat sounds right here.

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[dsmc80]

One more.

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[hades_1123]

[QUOTE=dsmc80;11099112]Listen to his solo albums. There are so many flavors of John's guitar work and vocal arrangements. I really dig Mr. Frusciante.

Totally right dsmc. Nice videos. I bought The Emyrean and just blow my mind, I can't wait for the new stuff.

Marshall Major and Jubilee ??? Yep, that's a good taste. Any photo ??? I would love see your strats and teles with those amps.:munch

[eyeball987]

I saw a VH1 thing with the RHCP's and they played one of the popular tunes (California maybe) that I don't know the name of and when John kicked in the OD at the end for the outro solo, the strat neck pickup tone was probably one of the best I have heard. This one is run of the mill though IMHO.

[Drowned Rabbit]

Love Frusciante, I have been a fan since Mother's Milk. Here is my fav tune of his with the Chili's:

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Wow. I had no idea that gay porn had such high quality soundtracks.


Just messing around. The Chili Peppers are a super tight band, but I've never been a huge fan of funk. I do, however, really like Frusciante's solo albums. Those are much more interesting to me.

[mattymel]

tone is good, nothing to die for though. great player, still i say he had his high point about the time of BSSM. then a quick decent, almost back to where he was then, but he stuck with an average band for WAY too long. havent been into any of his solo records since "to record water..."

[rust_in_peace]

Huge Frusciante fan. One of my favorite guitar players.

[hades_1123]

I saw a VH1 thing with the RHCP's and they played one of the popular tunes (California maybe) that I don't know the name of and when John kicked in the OD at the end for the outro solo, the strat neck pickup tone was probably one of the best I have heard. This one is run of the mill though IMHO.

Yep, Probably Dani California. Look at the end of the song the solo and jam. That's the tone you speak of ?

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[dsmc80]

tone is good, nothing to die for though. great player, still i say he had his high point about the time of BSSM. then a quick decent, almost back to where he was then, but he stuck with an average band for WAY too long. havent been into any of his solo records since "to record water..."

I don't know if I am to read that as you haven't heard the newer albums or if you just aren't in to them. If you haven't given them a listen, I'd really highly suggest all of the newer material. In my opinion, his musical growth is really evident on all of the post-heroin solo material. From The Sounds Inside, Shadows Collide With People, everything in between and up to The Empyrean is superb music, especially regarding the vocals and keys (though the keys are often Klingenhoffer).

I agree about the Chili Peppers not really doing much though. I love Flea, but aside from him and John, the music is kind of dull.

And if you just don't like the new stuff, cool too.

:YinYang

Oh...and the early solo music he made is great too. There are plenty off rough rough spots, but still it is interesting music none-the-less.

[supa-fuzz]

This is one of the best Hendrix-esque tones I ever heard...sorry its not Fruciante http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_7Wh0iYr6g

[johnadam]

I guess I'm not hearing what the original poster is hearing in the first video clip. I'd imagine you could walk into most any guitar center and reproduce that tone with any moderate quality strat, the Marshall of your choice and about 30 seconds of knob adjusting. Songwriting that sells multi-platinum records is probably harder to reproduce though.

But I mostly posted this because I heard Scar Tissue on the radio today and it occurred to me that it has the worst pitch of any slide solo I've ever heard on a commercial recording. I've seen videos of Danny Gatton playing slide by swinging a slippery beer bottle by its neck and his pitch was still tighter than Mr. Frusciante's.

[gear007]

I guess I'm not hearing what the original poster is hearing in the first video clip. I'd imagine you could walk into most any guitar center and reproduce that tone with any moderate quality strat, the Marshall of your choice and about 30 seconds of knob adjusting. Songwriting that sells multi-platinum records is probably harder to reproduce though..

Ditto. Maybe to a younger demographic, who haven't listened to the sources of John's style, its tops. For those of us who have, clearly its all been done before. Not saying its bad, because its not. He's a great guitarist / strat player for sure. But if he walked into most bars in the US on any given night, and people didn't know who he was, his playing wouldn't turn heads.

I saw the Peppers in '92 @ Lallapalooza (John went MIA for drugs @ the time) and again in the early 2000s. Their live sound @ the second show w/ John was utter disappointment. Maybe it was a bad night, but their philosophy seemed to be turn it up as loud as it will go, and it will sound good.

[T92780]

I like the Hendrix influence he exhibits at times, but his tone for me is just OK. Watch clip from rolling stones magazine with him, Mayer and Trucks, though short clip, I felt Mayer and trucks were better players. I love his relic strats mostly though.

[semi-hollowbody]

I guess I'm not hearing what the original poster is hearing in the first video clip. I'd imagine you could walk into most any guitar center and reproduce that tone with any moderate quality strat, the Marshall of your choice and about 30 seconds of knob adjusting. Songwriting that sells multi-platinum records is probably harder to reproduce though.

But I mostly posted this because I heard Scar Tissue on the radio today and it occurred to me that it has the worst pitch of any slide solo I've ever heard on a commercial recording. I've seen videos of Danny Gatton playing slide by swinging a slippery beer bottle by its neck and his pitch was still tighter than Mr. Frusciante's.
Wow...I thought I was the only one...it ruins the song for me...

[scr@tchy]

This is one of the best Hendrix-esque tones I ever heard...sorry its not Fruciante http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_7Wh0iYr6g

All that from one pickup, must look at what he uses.

[ekkybedmond]

Yep, Probably Dani California. Look at the end of the song the solo and jam. That's the tone you speak of ?

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Sorry, but at 4.25, I'd be out the building

just a lot of freeking noise

[scr@tchy]

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Or some Art Garfunkel. He's pretty damn good fella's. I WISH I could sing this well.

great moment there, thanks for posting

[buddastrat]

Ditto. Maybe to a younger demographic, who haven't listened to the sources of John's style, its tops. For those of us who have, clearly its all been done before. Not saying its bad, because its not. He's a great guitarist / strat player for sure. But if he walked into most bars in the US on any given night, and people didn't know who he was, his playing wouldn't turn heads.

I saw the Peppers in '92 @ Lallapalooza (John went MIA for drugs @ the time) and again in the early 2000s. Their live sound @ the second show w/ John was utter disappointment. Maybe it was a bad night, but their philosophy seemed to be turn it up as loud as it will go, and it will sound good.

Sure it's been done before, the tone. But it's rarely done well since. That's the point here.

His playing is creative and emotional. He doesn't chugga chugga power chords and 6 string sweeping like the sea of rock guitarists. He's got vision like Hendrix, VH, SRV...etc. They all have personality and not generic.

[schristie]

I'm sure that there is a "best guitar tone ever" somewhere, somehow....however only unicorns know the secret of how to obtain it :)

Not trying to offend, just a little Saturday humor.

[johnadam]

All that from one pickup, must look at what he uses.

He's got two pickups. On those custom 30+ fret guitars he uses, one pickup is mounted under the fretboard. You can kinda see it in the video.

[scr@tchy]

He's got two pickups. On those custom 30+ fret guitars he uses, one pickup is mounted under the fretboard. You can kinda see it in the video.

Get out! Under the fretboard! Thanks for the info, I'll read up on it.

[teleman1]

When I think of RHCP I forget the better guitarist whom John replaced and who highly influenced John.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKrvhdTQHos

Here's all the tone one would need by the master. John is the freak of freak replacements. He's great but I think if Hillel lived, they would have been more creative.

Hillel was the man of tone and you hear it on their first couple of albums, much like John lives and breathes with in his tone.

[hades_1123]

When I think of RHCP I forget the better guitarist whom John replaced and who highly influenced John.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKrvhdTQHos

Here's all the tone one would need by the master. John is the freak of freak replacements. He's great but I think if Hillel lived, they would have been more creative.

Hillel was the man of tone and you hear it on their first couple of albums, much like John lives and breathes with in his tone.

Good Point !

[hades_1123]

Sorry, but at 4.25, I'd be out the building

just a lot of freeking noise

Ok. That's trolling !!!!:facepalm

[eyeball987]

Yep, Probably Dani California. Look at the end of the song the solo and jam. That's the tone you speak of ?

GaZZcGvk4bg

That is the tune but not the video I saw. I am pretty sure it was a VH1 thing and they played in a room with no audience.

[jetydosa]

I guess I'm not hearing what the original poster is hearing in the first video clip. I'd imagine you could walk into most any guitar center and reproduce that tone with any moderate quality strat, the Marshall of your choice and about 30 seconds of knob adjusting.

Not even 30 seconds. The OP asked for opinion of JF and in this posters opinion, JF couldnt even carry Stevies jock. Now THIS is a great Strat tone you are not going to get 30seconds at GC (well at least most people).

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[Summa]

No better tone than a good Strat played through a Jubilee!!

[dsmc80]

All I know is this. The "best anything ever" threads are never a great thing. I dig Frusciante and dig his tone, but the title just asks for arguments.

Oh well.

In other news. My strat tones are the best ever.

[robertkoa]

All I know is this. The "best anything ever" threads are never a great thing. I dig Frusciante and dig his tone, but the title just asks for arguments.

Oh well.

In other news. My strat tones are the best ever.

Yeah -better to say "A" great .... or "one of the greatest" since there are SO many great tones in so many styles, genres.

I've even heard a few by "unknown" guys since being a regular on the Internet the last 2 years..........

[BrentB6]

I think Frusciante is awesome. The original video did not relay that for me though. Typical strat marshall tone for me. His vocal...meh

[Polynitro]

um no to everything in that video especially european track jackets, short sleeve shirts with ties.

[serviviente7]

Ok. This is the best guitar tone ever !!!!! IMHO ( John Frusciante thread part II)

Ok, I really love John Frusciante as a musician, person and of course, his guitar tone, he's one of my biggest influences, so amazing at some many levels. Well and ... I just found this video on youtube and I want to share it

HDJQ6s0X7XQ

What do you think about ??
I want to know the TGP opinion about John Fruscainte tone or in genreal

BTW there's a John Frusciante thread closed by Bryan G. Because it had a lot of posts. So I want to continue that thread on this.

This is the Jonh Fruscainte thread part II

Let's talk about the best Guitar player of the last 30 years !!!!:munch

i am sorry i am a fan of his guitar skill BUT that tone there is honestly pedestrian and somebody say he can sing???? come on now he is completely out of tune!!!! he is an ok singer at best and i am being kind here. Now his guitar playing that is something else....he is a beast at that...

[in_sherman]

this thread needs more niandra lades! ;P

[hades_1123]

this thread needs more niandra lades! ;P

Someone could die here with Niandra Lades stuff. Not many Lo-Fi fans here at TGP I think.

I'm going to post something anyways. :munch

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[dancehall]

Yeah this thread is baffling. I LIKE Frusciante, really, but most of the clips here are nothing special tonewise (and ESPECIALLY singing-wise). I love his tone on "Under the Bridge" though, especially starting at like 55 seconds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwlogyj7nFE&feature=player_detailpage#t=56s

[Grenville]

When I think of RHCP I forget the better guitarist whom John replaced and who highly influenced John.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKrvhdTQHos

Here's all the tone one would need by the master. John is the freak of freak replacements. He's great but I think if Hillel lived, they would have been more creative.

Hillel was the man of tone and you hear it on their first couple of albums, much like John lives and breathes with in his tone.

Hillel Slovak!

There you go, best tone in the thread so far.

[straycat113]

I never realized the impact Frusciante has on the younger generation of players as you will see him at or near the top of most polls or lists of best players now or ever. All I can say to that is good for him as I have a lot of respect for the guy, and he is a schooled musician who really underplays in the Peppers which is the sign of a true pro to play for the song.The guy is responcible for a ton of guys picking up the instrument so that is the highest compliment any player can get. I am not going to get into any greatest tone or player nonsense though.

[buddastrat]

i am sorry i am a fan of his guitar skill BUT that tone there is honestly pedestrian and somebody say he can sing???? come on now he is completely out of tune!!!! he is an ok singer at best and i am being kind here. Now his guitar playing that is something else....he is a beast at that...

See, I didn't care for that particular video either. But I do like those other sides of him. His playing is good, but pretty easy to play his stuff, where he shines is his creativity and his voice. It's unique. Sure he's not a technical great singer like a Freddie Mercury or something, but he has a quality and rawness in his voacals and guitar I like. I like the raw, dry sound, noisy pickups and rely on touch. No channel switching, effx loops, rack crap or scooped out distorto tones. Just real, honest stuff. Mistakes n' all. He's not trying to be the next Malmsteen or SRV either and I like that.

[hades_1123]

Buddastrat and me could be very good friends.

That's what I like about the JF tone. It's real !!! He's not trying to sing like Freddie Mercury, or play like Malmsteen or something. He's trying to be himself. At her voice, tone and playing. He's not trying to be the best. Music is not about compete, it's about be real. And JF is real at so many levels: tone, playing, singing, his albums. Everything.

[joeismyname]

Frusciante is great...but that video is far from the best tone ever, sounds like basic strat rhythm tone probably in the neck pup, nothing out of this world....for top notch tone take a listen to brad paisley,vince gill, or john mayer, derek trucks, especially vince gill, wow.

[dsmc80]

Someone could die here with Niandra Lades stuff. Not many Lo-Fi fans here at TGP I think.

I'm going to post something anyways. :munch

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John rocks, but I wouldn't suggest Niandra Lades as a reference point for any of his finer work.

:YinYang

[hades_1123]

John rocks, but I wouldn't suggest Niandra Lades as a reference point for any of his finer work.

:YinYang

Yep I know.

Hey dsmc80 post any photo of you gear. I want to see those Marshalls and that Strats and Teles. What pedals are you using ??? :munch

[FiestaRed869]

I really like johns tone, but let's face it anyone can use the gear their heroes play and don't sound likemthem. SRV, HENDRIX, FRUSCIANTE, all tones that can be had with a strat with certain pickups, and amp and some effects. Entire setup maybe a few grand. . . Ok now go play. Better yet let them play your setup and see how they sound. . . Anyway here are some amazing John tones.

This one is pretty rare. Very hendrixy, but again go out and buy a ceriatone 2555 and an english muff'n and there you go.( this isn't a tone he uses a lot I'm pretty sure it's the engligh muffin on the jube

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=zsx90kjMyeg

Here's the classic JF tone. A 2555 with just alil crunch and reverb. To be honest any decent tube amp Clean and an SD1 and you 95% of the way there. I've done it and it's very close.



http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=V7sOXl_miQ8

And his classic lead tone. Ds-2cranked

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=2dvutJPjzZ8



Edit: just realized video 1 has his classic crunch for the verse of can't stop and signature ds2 solo tone


He has a huge pedal board but really the 2555 with slight crunch is his tone. Then for solos either throw on a fuzz or ds-2 and that's 80% of his sound . The rest is him trying to recreate studio effects and aren't nessasary.

[FiestaRed869]

Another example. Not sure what amp he's using here but it's prob just something like a fender twin IDk, he's giving a lesson on under the bridge. Go to 1:45' THATS PLAYING ABILITY CREATING GREAT TONE

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=mU_sxusyuoI

[tsar nicholas]

I like Frusciante. For me, his raw, ragged tone on "Blood Sugar..." is where it's at.

[straightblues]

I am older and really like his playing and tone. I have never liked Hendrix (sorry) and have never associate Frusciantes tone with him. I am surprised how many people have put the two together. Anyway, getting the tone he gets isn't that easy. I go for a similar tones and the little nuances of this style tone are a lifelong pursuit.

[Forgotten]

I'm a huge JF fan and follower. The earlier Chili's stuff he did, he doesn't like much. He says when he hears it, it's not him playing. He was trying very hard to carry on Hillel's legacy. This and many other things caused him to leave the band. He says Californication is his favorite album. Even though his playing on the record is not very technical, it's his own sound. He is a true player, just like Hendrix and SRV. He believes if your not pouring you soul into every note your playing at every show, you're basically cheating yourself, and the fans. And i like to believe Jimi and Stevie were like that. I like JF's tone, and have taken the time to learn many of his live solo's, but in my mind I cannot compare him to other great players. They all do their own thing. Does he have the best tone? No. But a great tone and ear indeed. I wish he would lay of the wah a little during live shows, but he's definitely no Hammett.

An interesting fact about Under the Bridge is, it was written to sound something like Jimi's prettier songs, like Castles in the Sand.

John almost died from his demons. People had written him off for dead, and he turned it around. If you never read it, check out this article, it's sad.

Blood on the Tracks
http://invisible-movement.net/articles/1993-1997/1996-12-15-phoenixnewtimes

[plaintopper]

Sorry OP ... that 39 second vid sounds like any old murky Strat tone to me.

[robertkoa]

Well - there's about 100 or 150 " best evers" on my list if I had a list and then there's about a thousand or so that are good, solid tones, which this would fall into.

I'm sure a LOT of guys on here have dialed up tones equal to or better- not that's it's bad- it's just a very solid "normal" tone to my ears.....

[RanaldoNecro]

does anyone know what pedal used to get the 'give it away' solo and 'taste the pain' intro?

I'd imagine this is long before the DL-4.

[dazco]

I don't want to seem like I'm trolling, but his tone in that clip is just OK. I've never really seen JF's tone as his strong point, however. He's an interesting player at times, but tone? Kind of vanilla IMHO. Once again, no insult meant just my opinion.

I agree, but if thats not enough....well, i hate to say it, but the guy really should NOT attempt to sing in public ! I was cringing for the guy.

[RanaldoNecro]

He has a quality, lets just say that.

[FiestaRed869]

^^ tone is a personal choice. I think his is amazing but the video posted that started this whole thing was a ver poor representation. Anyway forget about his tone, check out the covers he does , AMAZING!!! very under rated singer.

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=WCmrKgjRb1c

[FiestaRed869]

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=awKM1YLAl18

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=US#/watch?v=EOVDW3-rPsc

[robertkoa]

Well- I think most of us would have a list of at least 20 to 100 of the "best tones ever " for different styles, emotions, tracks, songs , contexts .

[Grant S.]

tone is good, nothing to die for though. great player, still i say he had his high point about the time of BSSM. then a quick decent, almost back to where he was then, but he stuck with an average band for WAY too long. havent been into any of his solo records since "to record water..."

This thread kind of reminds me of that group of guys that always sat around talking about how actress or super model X was a complete dog. (generally those same guys never seemed to have a date)

By any normal standard actress X, or in this case RHCP, would be downright impressive but in Imaginaryland they sink to "average" or worse.

Strokes for folks - I know - but whether they are to our liking or not I wouldn't think Chad Smith or Flea would be considered average in many circles. Or a Hall of Fame inducted band with myriad accolades for that matter.

Not trying to call you out in particular Matty. Just trying to put things back in perspective.

...More to the topic at hand, John Frusciante was one of the guys that really made me want to explore the guitar. Think that is one of the best things I could say about any guitarist. :dude

[markbbb]

My favorite tone over the last few months has been Jared Scharff from the SNL band.