Analogman KOT, can it replace TIM, Screwdriver and TS?

[Solideogloria]

Thinking about maybe getting a KOT to replace the above pedals. What are your opinion, Can KOT replace it?

[Eliguitar]

The KOT wont sound exactly like either of them but you could have one side being the OD which has some of that TS sound but with less mids and the other as a clean boost.
As always, whenever possible, play and compare them yourself to see if it meets your needs.

[Solideogloria]

BTW, do the each side (yellow and red) work independently or is red side pretty much a boost?

[denied]

They work independently, essentially two different pedals. It isn't really a tim replacement IMO

[Jet Age Eric]

I prefer the Screwdriver, but I think a KOT could fill the same purpose as a Screwdriver and TS, but not a Tim. -E

[drbob1]

It's not exactly the same circuit as any of them, as I understand it. I believe it shares DNA most closely with the Bluesbreaker pedal from Marshall-so clipping both from negative feedback at the op-amp and diodes to ground. But what you're interested in is sound...

It can't do the Tim thing, that's the clearest and most EQ flexible overdrive I'm aware of. I'm not aware of anything that'll do the same things, although an OD with an EQ before and after could pull it off.

The TS would probably be pretty easy to model with the KoT, similar technology, just have to adjust the EQ.

I've never owned a Screwdriver, can't help you there.

[Solideogloria]

Does KOT work well with single coils and Fender amps? or are they more friendly with humbuckers with amps that break up?

[zosozep7]

I don't think they would replace a Timmy or SkrewDriver. 2 different pedals. The KOT has its own unique sound that works best with Fender guitars and amps. Especially at low volumes.

[bandofthieves™]

Thinking about maybe getting a KOT to replace the above pedals. What are your opinion, Can KOT replace it?
With your Twin,No. With your HRdlx really wouldn't matter. I like the way my amps sound alone so the KOT just lets me simulate turning them up a few numbers without running everyone out of the Venue.I would say the Tim and SD are great for changing that good tone to something else good just by stepping on a button..A Twin with a ts808 has a sound to die for that everyone should have in their rig..JMHO

[Solideogloria]

With your Twin,No. With your HRdlx really wouldn't matter. I like the way my amps sound alone so the KOT just lets me simulate turning them up a few numbers without running everyone out of the Venue.I would say the Tim and SD are great for changing that good tone to something else good just by stepping on a button..A Twin with a ts808 has a sound to die for that everyone should have in their rig..JMHO

So in your opinion, with the rig I have, KOT won't work?

[sanhozay]

given your amp of choice, i would say the kot could easily replace the ts & timmy. the screwdriver is nothing like the kot.

i can't believe you're able to nurse a good tone out of the timmy & a twin. how are you using it?

[bandofthieves™]

So in your opinion, with the rig I have, KOT won't work?
Are you just using a non master twin? or the HRdlx? The KOT won't give you the gain the Tim will.It will do Classic AC/DC Zep gain..KoT is probably one of the hardest pedals to put in to words..I probably shouldn't have said anything...It's like asking Will a 59 les Paul take the place of a Explorer and Flying V...I don't know what kind of music or sound you are getting or after.

[marvelboy_04]

i have all those pedals. all are my favorite ods

[Solideogloria]

given your amp of choice, i would say the kot could easily replace the ts & timmy. the screwdriver is nothing like the kot.

i can't believe you're able to nurse a good tone out of the timmy & a twin. how are you using it?

I use the TIM as light od. Adds much to the Fender sparkle.

[Solideogloria]

Are you just using a non master twin? or the HRdlx? The KOT won't give you the gain the Tim will.It will do Classic AC/DC Zep gain..KoT is probably one of the hardest pedals to put in to words..I probably shouldn't have said anything...It's like asking Will a 59 les Paul take the place of a Explorer and Flying V...I don't know what kind of music or sound you are getting or after.

I mostly use the twin as my main amp, HRDx as the backup. From the clips I've heard, granted non of those which used my type of set up, I am really digging the very gritty distortion sound. Thinking about mainly using it for rhythm.

[bandofthieves™]

I mostly use the twin as my main amp, HRDx as the backup. From the clips I've heard, granted non of those which used my type of set up, I am really digging the very gritty distortion sound. Thinking about mainly using it for rhythm.
That would work..

[Abandoned]

It definitely can't cover the Tim... Only the tim does a tim tone.
And the red side doesnt sound like a TS... I personally like the way the red side KoT sounds better, but it's not very TS like IMO.

[Heady Jam Fan]

I dont think it would replace them. KOT is based on a BB, I have a Tim and a Morning Glory (based on BB) and they achieve something slightly different, enough that I think it is worth having them both for now. I also have a TS and I dont think that is replaceable, very different than a KOT. The screwdriver might be the most versatile, covering OD through fuzz. KOT won't really do fuzz. I have a Lunar Module which can do OD but does a better fuzz lead IMO. So I have a similar rig and I think the pedals are fairly independent, granted if I really used my boost after my Tim and volume knob before, I could probably get rid of my Morning Glory - both do great low gain, I like the Tim when I add more Gain than that.

[redbeardrob]

Thinking about maybe getting a KOT to replace the above pedals. What are your opinion, Can KOT replace it?

through your G&LS500 & twin reverb, the KoT will kick ass and take names. if you want my opinion, i wouldn't even waste my time with the others (no offense to the other pedals or the people who prefer them). i play strats into a twin reverb (and a champion 600), and the KoT will be the last OD i'll ever buy. take the plunge. just do it.

[frdagaa]

Never played a Tim or Skrewdriver, but know about them, have heard plenty of clips.

KoT is a great pedal, versatile with the 2 channels, love mine. But the versatility you have with your 3 pedals is greater.

If you are looking for versatility, I wouldn't necessarily change. If you are looking for that "one particular tone", a holy grail type of thing, the KoT might provide it. It does for some people. Not for me, to be honest. Also, the holy grail tone might only come with the KoT stacked with one of your pedals, e.g. the Tim.

My suggestion would be get on the list, buy it when your name comes up, and use your 3 in the intervening 2 years (or whatever the wait is now). Keep your 3 so you can compare and decide for yourself. Don't pay a premium to get one early, where you'd have to sell any of the 3 very good pedals you already have.

[Jet Age Eric]

I mostly use the twin as my main amp, HRDx as the backup. From the clips I've heard, granted non of those which used my type of set up, I am really digging the very gritty distortion sound. Thinking about mainly using it for rhythm.

I found to be boringly smooth. It's got decent definition so would work for rhythm, but I'm not sure you'll get any grit out of it. -E

[Solideogloria]

through your G&LS500 & twin reverb, the KoT will kick ass and take names.

LOL! Funniest thing I've heard!

I did get on the list yesterday, seems like 2010 January orders are now being fulfilled... So about a year and a half wait, not too bad I suppose.

I'm getting such conflicting opinions regarding what I'd get out of the KOT with my current setup. What version KOTs do y'all have experiences with? I know he also offers the high gain mod to either side, would that make it more gritty or is it just louder at lower settings?

[HeartfeltDawn]

Thinking about maybe getting a KOT to replace the above pedals. What are your opinion, Can KOT replace it?

Absolutely can't replace a Tim for my money or a Screwdriver. It doesn't do the fuzzy thing as well as the SD nor has the tonal variety of the Tim. The Tim's EQ kicks posterior.

Of all the OD pedals I've had, the KOT was the biggest disappointment. It didn't do the low gain sounds as well as my original Bluesbreaker and the higher gain did nothing for me. Just wasn't the pedal for me.

[whaiyun]

i have all those pedals. all are my favorite ods
:eek how can you have so many "favorites"? Doesn't favorite imply only 1...

[whattheadam]

I can't speak from experience with the Screwdriver, but i owned both the KOT and the Tim and i sold my Tim. I know i'm not in the majority by saying this, but with my AC15, i was finding that my Tim wasn't cutting through easily enough whereas my KOT had no problem doing so (there are DIP switches and trim pot's inside the KOT guys - use them to taste).

I must say that the Tim was incredible sounding and sounded exactly how i wanted my drive to sound. I love the idea of the subtractive bass and treble and it makes it so that you can get almost exactly the same tone your guitar has without the pedal and then you step on it and it sounds like you do except overdriven. It's a beautiful thing! My problem though is when my band is at full volume and i listened to live recordings, my Tim could not be heard in the mix. But what the KOT has going for it is that it has a glorious yellow boost channel that works independently of the red channel (mine is normal gain - not high gain) and it has no problem sitting in the mix.

So for me, i owned both and i sold the Tim. Again, not saying that the Tim wasn't a great drive, because it definitely deserves the reputation it has... but for my strat and my Vox and my hands, it was not the match i needed.

[jb1911]

I've owned all those pedals. Nothing will replace a Screwdriver. If you've got an SD and a Tim you don't need a KOT, it doesn't measure up.

[Solideogloria]

I've owned all those pedals. Nothing will replace a Screwdriver. If you've got an SD and a Tim you don't need a KOT, it doesn't measure up.

really??? hmmm interesting

[redbeardrob]

LOL! Funniest thing I've heard!

I did get on the list yesterday, seems like 2010 January orders are now being fulfilled... So about a year and a half wait, not too bad I suppose.

I'm getting such conflicting opinions regarding what I'd get out of the KOT with my current setup. What version KOTs do y'all have experiences with? I know he also offers the high gain mod to either side, would that make it more gritty or is it just louder at lower settings?

i used to have a regular version, and now i have a high gain red version. the high gain red is where it's at. it's not at all "high gain" but just a little higher than the normal. the regular was just a little low gain. it was brilliant, but i wanted a smidgeon more. the higher gain red will add just an extra shovel of dirt, but not a whole lot. it's like having 1-15 setting on your drive rather than 1-10. it's just gold in a box. it loves my strats as well as anything with humbuckers. i sold my soul to my KoT. and i'd do it again any day.

but just like with anything, you'll get conflicting opinions. i'd say if you're into blues, get it. if you do mostly rock, you might be disppointed.

[Agitator]

Does KOT work well with single coils and Fender amps? or are they more friendly with humbuckers with amps that break up?
I've read numerous times lately that the KOT is supposed to be The Bomb for single coils through a Fender amp. Almost makes me want to try one but not for that price or that wait.

i can't believe you're able to nurse a good tone out of the timmy & a twin. how are you using it?Thread hijack: I have a CTO-1 and a MusicMan 130, which is basically the same as a Timmy & a Twin. I think it sounds great. I actually called Paul C a few months ago to get on the waiting list and he talked me out of getting a Timmy for my amp. Then I happened on a cheap CTO-1 and figured I'd give it a shot. I love it. I run my treble and mids high and my bass low, and just turn the volume up to whatever is appropriate in the room I'm playing. It probably helps that I've been doing a lot of gigs lately where I haven't been miked, so I've been cranking my MusicMan, but even in my basement, I think it sounds a lot better than the Barber LTD I was using for low-gain dirt before. Maybe not the same sounds that people are getting through their Marshalls and whatnot but it works for me. Gives me a nice, bluesy biting tone for solos.

PS: And I called Paul back a few weeks ago to get on the list for a Timmy anyway, so I don't have to worry about this cheap pedal breaking.

[harryjmic]

I've owned all those pedals. Nothing will replace a Screwdriver. If you've got an SD and a Tim you don't need a KOT, it doesn't measure up.

Not even, it all depends upon the amps you own.

The KOT excels with BF Fenders. In fact I don't know if there is anything better. Your pedals however have more range right now, if you cashed them in to get a KOT, you'd be going backwards in the versatility department.

[jb1911]

I play nothing but black faced Fenders and the KOT was nothing but bland for me. Didn't excite me at all. Fortunately I paid stupid money for it on ebay and sold it for even stupider money. I guess it's a matter of different strokes for different folks. I'm not an Analogman hater either, I love every other pedal that I've tried from AM.

[harryjmic]

I'm stunned, you might be the only guy I have heard this from.

[jb1911]

I'm stunned, you might be the only guy I have heard this from.

I am a bit strange. Just trying to be honest.

[Jet Age Eric]

I play nothing but black faced Fenders and the KOT was nothing but bland for me. Didn't excite me at all. Fortunately I paid stupid money for it on ebay and sold it for even stupider money. I guess it's a matter of different strokes for different folks. I'm not an Analogman hater either, I love every other pedal that I've tried from AM.

I'm stunned, you might be the only guy I have heard this from.

Make me the second guy; "bland" through my blackface is exactly right. :( -E

[MG90]

I have been trying to figure out what is so good about my KOT as well. The only thing I can think of is my amp needs to be cranked to deafening levels. Otherwise I don't get it. I just listened to some YouTube demos and still not into it...

[redbeardrob]

I have been trying to figure out what is so good about my KOT as well. The only thing I can think of is my amp needs to be cranked to deafening levels. Otherwise I don't get it. I just listened to some YouTube demos and still not into it...

to me, it's more about the feel & response. on top of sounding amazing to my ears, it feels like it knows what i'm thinking, like my guitar or amp does. out of all the other OD's i;ve played in my lifetime, it just feels right to me. it's not a pedal that you just play a bunch of sloppy chords through, but really shines when playing something more articulate & precise. i bend a note and hold for a few bars, with a little reverb it sounds eurphoric. heck i even use mine for acoustic gigs!

[Jet Age Eric]

it's not a pedal that you just play a bunch of sloppy chords through

What does this have to do with anything? I don't think any of us have complained that it doesn't work well with "sloppy chords." I found the KOT to be articulate (a must for me) and ... boring. You don't need to feel defensive, man; you're in the vast majority. -E

[redbeardrob]

What does this have to do with anything? I don't think any of us have complained that it doesn't work well with "sloppy chords." I found the KOT to be articulate (a must for me) and ... boring. You don't need to feel defensive, man; you're in the vast majority. -E

i meant no offense. but with sloppy chords it doesn't sound much different than any other OD. very uninspiring, i agree. but it shines with precision playing. that's all. no offense.

[Jet Age Eric]

i meant no offense. but with sloppy chords it doesn't sound much different than any other OD. very uninspiring, i agree. but it shines with precision playing. that's all. no offense.

Thanks, but do you realize that you're kind of implying that if we don't like it we must be sloppy players? Just sayin'. I think it'd be a benefit to sloppy chords: Better articulation = better resolution of sloppy chords. -E

[MG90]

The Gear Man Dude demos as well as some other good demos did nothing but make me want to swap it out today...

[jb1911]

I didn't mean to stir up any shit, I realize that I'm one out of 1000 that didn't like the KOT.

[marvelboy_04]

:eek how can you have so many "favorites"? Doesn't favorite imply only 1...

well ive tried many others as well. each has their own application. currently im running a vox style amp and that sounds amazing with my klon clone, so so with the timmy. (though personally i have figured out i like ods that are somewhat transparent but do add a little kick to the tone, while the timmy is pretty much only transparent) but soon ill probably switch to blackface and marshall type amps and so im keeping hold of the kot for that, while the screwdriver has just a thing of its own going on.

[Champ]

I didn't mean to stir up any shit, I realize that I'm one out of 1000 that didn't like the KOT.

Make that 2 out of 1000. I don't get it either.

[thesooze]

Make that 2 out of 1000. I don't get it either.

3/1000

[MG90]

four

[Solideogloria]

Thread hijack: I have a CTO-1 and a MusicMan 130, which is basically the same as a Timmy & a Twin. I think it sounds great. I actually called Paul C a few months ago to get on the waiting list and he talked me out of getting a Timmy for my amp. Then I happened on a cheap CTO-1 and figured I'd give it a shot. I love it. I run my treble and mids high and my bass low, and just turn the volume up to whatever is appropriate in the room I'm playing. It probably helps that I've been doing a lot of gigs lately where I haven't been miked, so I've been cranking my MusicMan, but even in my basement, I think it sounds a lot better than the Barber LTD I was using for low-gain dirt before. Maybe not the same sounds that people are getting through their Marshalls and whatnot but it works for me. Gives me a nice, bluesy biting tone for solos.

PS: And I called Paul back a few weeks ago to get on the list for a Timmy anyway, so I don't have to worry about this cheap pedal breaking.

I think it all depends on how you're using the TIM for. I use it for boost and sometimes I change it up for low gain dirt. I think it works great with my Twin, but it also has to do with how you set up the eq at the amp. I jack the mid up a lot.

That goes without saying, Paul is class act guy. I've never heard of anyone talking a potential customer out of getting their product for the good of the customer, even when the client wants to get it. He is one awesome dude.

[Solideogloria]

The Gear Man Dude demos as well as some other good demos did nothing but make me want to swap it out today...

HAHA!

It helps that he plays the EL based tube amps and I keep telling myself, it might not sound that good with single coil into 6L6... It's a long wait... I have to do something to calm my GAS!

[Liquid_Mojo]

I heard it sounds better through a British amplifier then through a Blackface. Then some people on here love it with a Twin Reverb. Some of the clips on youtube I didn't care for, but I can see it being a versatile pedal with a lot of possibilities. Especially with the dip switches on the bottom. I guess I won't know until I've tried one.