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L_Totti
08-22-2011, 12:06 PM
Title says it all... What's the best delay pedal for rockabilly slapback? Around $150-200 bucks.

Jonnycasino
08-22-2011, 12:23 PM
I had a way huge aqua puss mk II, it could do a fantastic slapback delay! Pretty reasonably priced too.

magnus02
08-22-2011, 12:24 PM
Aqua puss... seriously look no further

redbeardrob
08-22-2011, 12:25 PM
i like my ibanez AD-9.

BlackIrish
08-22-2011, 12:30 PM
DD6-triples-1 heavy rpt/ 1 barley audible. good buffer, works super in fx loops, has level knob, clean slap no degradation, built to last. add dd7 close to manipulate both with one stomp for great dual delay cheap.

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 01:04 PM
The Aqua Puss sounds awesome. Can it do more than slapback?

What about slapback mode on the TC Flashback? Can the Deluxe Memory boy do slapback?

Faux Tape Echo , maybe?

I wont use it on the amp loop , BTW.

benderman
08-22-2011, 01:14 PM
Another vote for the Aqua Puss,I have one on a second pedalboard and it's the bees knees for slapback!!

Jahn
08-22-2011, 01:16 PM
Ibanez AD80, imho the King of Slapback for analog delay bucket brigade pedals.

GuitarBuilder
08-22-2011, 01:21 PM
SR&D Rockman Stereo Echo

MadFrank
08-22-2011, 01:22 PM
I looked into this a while back, and the consensus semmed to be that the Aquapuss was superb for slapback - but not much good at anything else!

I also found many reccomendations for the Analogueman delay, as it has very strong short-time capabilities taht you need for slapback. It can do a whole lot more too, but more moolah.

brettmoor
08-22-2011, 01:27 PM
I'm loving the Analogman delay for slapback, plus you can set the second side for a longer delay all in one box

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 01:46 PM
The Analogman is a bit too expensive for me. It sounds awesome though. And I don't need the preset-like change from Slapback to longer delays.

So the Aqua Puss is only great for Slapback? That kinda rules it out of my plans.
No comments on the Flashback?

AXXA
08-22-2011, 02:14 PM
I get decent slapback from my memory boy (seriously), but I wanted a 300ms delay. I was about to get an aqua puss, but I decided to go all out and get a boss DM-2. Can't wait to get it!

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 02:29 PM
I had a DM-2 some years ago. Not sure why I sold it but it wasn't that good.

Any more sugestions?

theanalogdream
08-22-2011, 02:31 PM
Ibanez AD80 like @Jahn said is boss. I have the analogman AR20DL which is awesome for slap.
Arion SAD-1 is also very, very cool.
Analog generally is warmer for slap back, while digital emulations are cool and all, I think that's why there aren't any flashback suggestions.

erksin
08-22-2011, 02:35 PM
AR20DL, SAD-1, DM-2 or 3, E300B.

kevinhifi
08-22-2011, 02:37 PM
If you're looking for a dedicated pedal just for slapback, small and simple is key IMO. Check out the Lovepedal Echo Baby. I think the slapback sound from that pedal is great. The repeats get more and more lo-fi as you turn up the delay time on that pedal. In the typical slapback range, with just a touch of modulation, I think it's killer.

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 02:45 PM
The Flashback is good to me because I need a versatile delay , even though I'll mostly use its Slapback mode. But if there's an analog pedal that does both great Slapback and longer delays (I think I don't need more than 800 mls) , I'd prefer it.

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 02:47 PM
If you're looking for a dedicated pedal just for slapback, small and simple is key IMO.

No , it'll be my only delay pedal...

vanguard
08-22-2011, 03:33 PM
the aqua puss MKII is the best slapback delay i've played (out of 80's ibanez AD80, boss dm-2, dm-3, deluxe memory man). and, IMO, it's a damn good delay for ambient textures too. this pedal is a MAJOR sleeper in TGP circles.

wundergussy
08-22-2011, 03:36 PM
Malekko 300, dark or bright, depending on your rig.

amphead777
08-22-2011, 03:38 PM
Ibanez AD80 like @Jahn said is boss. I have the analogman AR20DL which is awesome for slap.
Arion SAD-1 is also very, very cool.
Analog generally is warmer for slap back, while digital emulations are cool and all, I think that's why there aren't any flashback suggestions.
+1, on the SAD-1

magnus02
08-22-2011, 03:39 PM
In that case get a maxon ad900... its what use and it should have enough delay time to take care of you.... it sounds AMAZING

dlc1953
08-22-2011, 04:07 PM
Flashback nice clear tone one of it's strong points to me. Had EP and didn't like it's. Have a HD 300 and you gotta kind of make one up.616's wasn't that great either.

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 04:36 PM
Can the CC get good Slapback? I think it's long enough for my other needs.

mhuxtable
08-22-2011, 04:40 PM
ANY delay can do a slapback echo....just set a short delay time, short feedback & bring the mix up to taste.

I'd go with a Memory Toy by EHX cos its 1. analog, 2. small footprint, 3. cheap.

Dave2512
08-22-2011, 04:42 PM
I've experimented with many and always stick with my DE-7. Best $39.99 I ever spent.

fieldsroyal
08-22-2011, 04:47 PM
Arion SAD-1 is absolutely brilliant for this - not just for the price but IMO the best of all - I preferred it to my Retro-sonic analog delay actually.

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 04:49 PM
ANY delay can do a slapback echo....just set a short delay time, short feedback & bring the mix up to taste.

I'd go with a Memory Toy by EHX cos its 1. analog, 2. small footprint, 3. cheap.



Slapback is way more than a short delay IMO.

electricity17
08-22-2011, 05:04 PM
I'm using an Aqua Puss mk2 for delay, I don't use delay on many songs but when I do it's short delay times aka "slapback" settings. My comparisons were all done listening to online clips (not in person), but what I liked about the Aqua Puss was that is was brighter and shimmery where the Carbon Copy, Ibanez AD9, Maxon AD9, etc. were darker/bassier which wasn't my thing.

Since I got the pedal it's been working great for me, all the songs I use it on are shorter delay settings but I've liked how it sounded set for longer delays when I've been playing around with it in my living room. The manual has a suggested "Echoplex" setting with a longer delay time that I think sounds great, haven't found a place for it in any of my songs as yet. So as a casual delay user, I like it.

dancehall
08-22-2011, 05:18 PM
I had a DM-2 some years ago. Not sure why I sold it but it wasn't that good.

Any more sugestions?

Well since the Aqua Puss is a DM-2 clone maybe you should forget about that one too. Although I can't fathom someone saying it's not good. Maybe yours was tampered with?

Humancapo
08-22-2011, 05:20 PM
The Flashback's slap is excellent, plus it does a whole lot more and all in a small footprint.

Stevil
08-22-2011, 05:42 PM
Malekko 300, dark or bright, depending on your rig.

i've got the dark & it does it very well. also have a BBE 2 Timer which is also proficient @ the task.

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 05:44 PM
Well since the Aqua Puss is a DM-2 clone maybe you should forget about that one too. Although I can't fathom someone saying it's not good. Maybe yours was tampered with?


It wasn't working really well , and I wasn't using it in the "right way". I wasn't using it for Slapback , and I probably sold it because I needed longer delays. If I remember correctly , I sold it to buy a DD-3.

erksin
08-22-2011, 05:52 PM
If you need a pedal for good slapback sounds, but also want clearer long delays in the 600mS+ ballpark you should really be looking at a digital pedal. No long-timed AD I've ever tried has done slapback particularly well.

Mike Duncan
08-22-2011, 05:54 PM
Boss Space Echo and Carbon Copy seem to do a pretty good job.

shredtrash
08-22-2011, 05:56 PM
Can the CC get good Slapback? I think it's long enough for my other needs.

I use the Carbon Copy with really good results. I use a pretty subtle setting but that's what slapback is after all. It can get pretty thick if you want it to though. Check out this clip of my band to see what it sounds like:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5hPB7thcuU

jnepo1
08-22-2011, 05:56 PM
Aqua Puss

erksin
08-22-2011, 06:03 PM
I use a pretty subtle setting but that's what slapback is after all.

I guess it's all in how you use it, but I get a pretty aggressive/trashy sound using slapback.

shredtrash
08-22-2011, 06:05 PM
I guess it's all in how you use it, but I get a pretty aggressive/trashy sound using slapback.

I guess I'm thinking of classic 50's-style slapback. I use a setting that isn't obvious when its on but you definitely know when its off. You're right though, it can take on many forms depending on where that mix knob lands. :aok

Windup 43
08-22-2011, 06:49 PM
If you need a pedal for good slapback sounds, but also want clearer long delays in the 600mS+ ballpark you should really be looking at a digital pedal. No long-timed AD I've ever tried has done slapback particularly well.I agree, the best delays for slapback are short analog delays like the Arion SAD-1, Rocktek Super Delay, DM-2 etc. The best one I've ever heard was a vintage Maxon AD80, awesome sounding.

Holy Schnikes
08-22-2011, 06:50 PM
Another vote for the Malekko E300s.

coralreefer
08-22-2011, 06:54 PM
Not sure why I sold it but it wasn't that good.


Maybe cuz it wasn't that good...?

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 07:03 PM
Maybe cuz it wasn't that good...?

:rotflmao
That makes sense :D
I meant what I sold it for , because I didn't have another delay at the time and had to buy one to replace it.

El Gallo Negro
08-22-2011, 07:23 PM
I love slapback sounds, and I went from the CC to the Aqua Puss a while back-- they're both good. The Puss is brighter and brasher, which to me was really cool for slapback. A few weeks back, a friend of mine who stopped playing guitar gave me his old Ibanez soundtank DL5. It's an old digital delay with maybe 400ms of delay time, but it's incredibly warm and does a killer, fat slapback. It sounds so good I've taken the Puss off the board. I always thought the soundtanks were supposed to be junk, but I'm really impressed with this little guy.

On the Ibanez note, I used to use a DE7 on echo mode for slapback which was also excellent.

that_brianm_guy
08-22-2011, 07:29 PM
I've experimented with many and always stick with my DE-7. Best $39.99 I ever spent.

+1!

If you didn't like the DM-2, grab a DE-7 and pick the "delay" setting.... the "echo" setting has some of that analog style grit that's in the DM-2... but can't be dialed out.

FWIW, I have both pedals and use the DM-2 to add a little air and echo around solos, and the DE-7 for longer delays.

HP Hovercraft
08-22-2011, 07:30 PM
Yet another vote for the Flashback.

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 08:10 PM
Now I'm beetween the Aqua Puss and the Flashback. Might consider others if there are better options.

Wagster
08-22-2011, 08:12 PM
It's not really hard to get a good slapback tone with a Boss DD-2 or DD-3. It worked for Danny Gatton and Vince Gill.

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 08:17 PM
How much is that Guyatone? I can't find it anywhere...

L_Totti
08-22-2011, 08:22 PM
It's not really hard to get a good slapback tone with a Boss DD-2 or DD-3. It worked for Danny Gatton and Vince Gill.


Hm... I'll try that with my brother's DD-3. I think Gatton used Echoplexes though.

datguytim
08-22-2011, 09:33 PM
For slapback - AD-80 or SAD-1. End of story.

Wagster
08-22-2011, 09:50 PM
Hm... I'll try that with my brother's DD-3. I think Gatton used Echoplexes though.Try these settings.
200ms mode
Delay - 3:00
Repeat - Off
Level - 10:00 give or take

Also add Brad Paisley to the DD-2 list. It's just a great little delay. Nothing fancy but it just works.

L_Totti
08-23-2011, 09:59 AM
I'm also curious about the Carl Martin Red Repeat and the Rocktron Short Timer... Are they good?

caspersvapors
08-23-2011, 11:10 AM
The Flashback's slap is excellent, plus it does a whole lot more and all in a small footprint.

I actually have a flashback and an aqua puss and I use the flashback for slap. The reason I dont use the aqua is because it takes something off your tone, I dont know if its a slight volume drop or a bit of the highs, but it feels like it rounds off the upper tone frequencies. I use it for other stuff though and I mix the two of em sometimes

I like to set the FB slap to where its barely noticeable and just adds a bit more character to your lead tone. But people listening probably wont be like "hey that guy is using a slapback!"

L_Totti
08-23-2011, 11:25 AM
I actually have a flashback and an aqua puss and I use the flashback for slap. The reason I dont use the aqua is because it takes something off your tone, I dont know if its a slight volume drop or a bit of the highs, but it feels like it rounds off the upper tone frequencies. I use it for other stuff though and I mix the two of em sometimes

I like to set the FB slap to where its barely noticeable and just adds a bit more character to your lead tone. But people listening probably wont be like "hey that guy is using a slapback!"



Do you also use rockabilly slapback? I mean , louder , less reverb-y. Wich do you prefer for that?

caspersvapors
08-23-2011, 12:23 PM
no I do not, sorry

L_Totti
08-23-2011, 12:47 PM
Any toughts on the Short Timer (or other pedal)?

digiTED
08-23-2011, 01:15 PM
I LOVE the Catalinbread Montavillain for slap. I has a great wet/dry mix and treble cut control to really fine tune how the slapped signal interacts with your dry signal.

It runs well on a battery, but can go up to 18V for extra headroom if you feed it huge fuzz or have hot pups.

It's great into the input too, even with a dirty pre-amp; not all delays are.

I use slap more than ant other delay purpose and have found great slap sounds in various previous delays (aqua puss II, memory lane 2, memory lane Jr., flashback). The Monte kills them all IMO.

L_Totti
08-23-2011, 03:08 PM
I LOVE the Catalinbread Montavillain for slap. I has a great wet/dry mix and treble cut control to really fine tune how the slapped signal interacts with your dry signal.

It runs well on a battery, but can go up to 18V for extra headroom if you feed it huge fuzz or have hot pups.

It's great into the input too, even with a dirty pre-amp; not all delays are.

I use slap more than ant other delay purpose and have found great slap sounds in various previous delays (aqua puss II, memory lane 2, memory lane Jr., flashback). The Monte kills them all IMO.


That Catalinbread is great! The samples are great and it costs around the same as the Aqua Puss and the Flashback. It's also long enough for me.
Anyone else use it for that purpose?

hazel-rah
08-24-2011, 10:03 AM
I've had a bunch of different delays over the years...

The ad900 is awesome, but I didn't like it for slapback---it was too deliberate.

I always have at least one vintage ad80 around, but I normally have two or three. It is my all-time favorite pedal for ambient echo. I currently have an early narrow-box version, and I don't see it going anywhere. In the ten or so boxes that I've tried, I've found that I don't like the old ad80's for slapback---they're not aggressive enough for the slapback sound that I want.

This brings me to my favorite: the ad80 reissue. Its ambient repeats are nice enough (but not nearly as cool-sounding as the old ad80's, in my opinion. for clarification, I'll say this: the new ad80 repeats have less character; they're clearer, not as smoky. The old ad80 doesn't sound at all grainy, but fat and smoky seem to be good descriptive words), but its slapback is fantastic. It's fast, which I think is necessary, and the repeat sounds cool.

erksin
08-24-2011, 10:22 AM
It's fast, which I think is necessary, and the repeat sounds cool.

For me, the feel is the most important of the criteria when choosing a great slapper - if it doesn't have a quick responsive 'bounce' to that first repeat I don't care how great the thing sounds. That's why I've never liked any 600mS AD I've tried for slap - they always feel 'late' on that first repeat. It may only be a few mS, but it's totally noticeable to me. I equate it to dribbling an under-inflated basketball - you can definitely tell by the 'lateness' of the return bounce and it totally throws me off. If I'm using an AD for slapback, it has to be of the 300mS variety.

Next is the voicing - I want it bright enough to cut, but it still needs to have that analog warmth to it. Most ADs are too dark for my taste, and most digitals are too sterile and clean sounding. I rarely use more than 1-3 repeats tops, but I find the tone of that first repeat to be absolutely crucial - if it can't cut so you know it's there then everything turns to a muddy mess.

Last is headroom - it can't smear or overload when I hit it with a hot signal. LOTS of ADs have this issue and quite a few digitals do too.

I'd love to get my hands on an older 18v AD-80 someday, but for now the AR20DL holds court on my board and satisfies every one of my requirements.

Sammicus15
08-24-2011, 11:02 AM
Ibanez De7, can get it used for $40.

lspaulsp
08-24-2011, 12:15 PM
The green rocktron pedal (Short Timer?) worked great like $70. It was not true bypass I think. I don't remember it being a tone sucker.

dukeh62
08-24-2011, 12:22 PM
Aqua Puss...or Retro-Sonic Analog Delay. The RS knocked my original AP off my board. Does KILLER slapback and much more.

XmasTree
08-24-2011, 01:25 PM
you should get one that's popular here:
like the carbon copy (i have it, it's awesome)
..or the super duper FLASHBACK! (i have this as well, and it's even better)

..i'd just go w/ the Flashback, it does everything!

musicman1
08-24-2011, 01:27 PM
I use a MIJ Boss DD2. Love it for almost anything in delay from slapback to long.

L_Totti
08-24-2011, 01:42 PM
For me, the feel is the most important of the criteria when choosing a great slapper - if it doesn't have a quick responsive 'bounce' to that first repeat I don't care how great the thing sounds. That's why I've never liked any 600mS AD I've tried for slap - they always feel 'late' on that first repeat. It may only be a few mS, but it's totally noticeable to me. I equate it to dribbling an under-inflated basketball - you can definitely tell by the 'lateness' of the return bounce and it totally throws me off. If I'm using an AD for slapback, it has to be of the 300mS variety.

Next is the voicing - I want it bright enough to cut, but it still needs to have that analog warmth to it. Most ADs are too dark for my taste, and most digitals are too sterile and clean sounding. I rarely use more than 1-3 repeats tops, but I find the tone of that first repeat to be absolutely crucial - if it can't cut so you know it's there then everything turns to a muddy mess.

Last is headroom - it can't smear or overload when I hit it with a hot signal. LOTS of ADs have this issue and quite a few digitals do too.



Perfect.


The green rocktron pedal (Short Timer?) worked great like $70. It was not true bypass I think. I don't remember it being a tone sucker.

That's good to know. It looks cool. AND cheap.



Aqua Puss...or Retro-Sonic Analog Delay. The RS knocked my original AP off my board. Does KILLER slapback and much more.

The Retro-Sonic is great , but it's a bit too expensive... :(

you should get one that's popular here:
like the carbon copy (i have it, it's awesome)
..or the super duper FLASHBACK! (i have this as well, and it's even better)

..i'd just go w/ the Flashback, it does everything!

Yeah , I'm really interested in it. It just has everything I need and much more...

Douglas858
08-24-2011, 01:46 PM
+1 Vintage Ibanez AD80

erksin
08-24-2011, 02:55 PM
Perfect.

Well perfect for me anyway. I don't think as great as my favorite is that it would work for you since you want an 'all-in-one' type box that does slap and longer stuff equally well.

I still think you should be looking at digitals instead of analogs for your stated goals.

L_Totti
08-24-2011, 06:53 PM
I still think you should be looking at digitals instead of analogs for your stated goals.


You're right , that's why I'm considering the Flashback. There might be better slapback delays out there , but it covers all my needs.